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sneakyfox
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HolydaKing
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On July 24 2019 18:03 sneakyfox wrote: Fully expecting Dark to screw this up. Anything else would be a disappointment tbh. | ||
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neutralrobot
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On July 24 2019 18:15 HolydaKing wrote: Anything else would be a disappointment tbh. At this point, he'd almost be screwing things up if he DIDN'T screw it up. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On July 24 2019 18:21 Elentos wrote: Dark is gonna first pick Maru Or Classic. | ||
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Sadly I doubt either of them is gonna be an option. Maru maybe but Classic should have his own group. | ||
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sneakyfox
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For the woke, Afreeca-supporting Starcraft fan the working link is: http://play.afreecatv.com/gslenglish | ||
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HolydaKing
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On July 24 2019 18:26 Elentos wrote: Sadly I doubt either of them is gonna be an option. Maru maybe but Classic should have his own group. Oh, you are right. Maybe TY or Stats are two other good options then. | ||
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Vanadiel
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We miss you Geoff. | ||
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Looks like he's powering up the hate machine to improve his TvZ | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 18:49 Elentos wrote: Maru should play it smart now and pick a strong player tbh. Minimize the risk of Dark swapping TY next to him. Maybe he should go for a strong ZvZ, Dark wouldn't like that. Solar perhaps? | ||
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M2
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 2019 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code S | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 18:53 M2 wrote: The liquipedia link in the OP is to the wrong GSL, should be this one: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2019_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_3/Code_S There's also links to Tasteless and Artosis twitters who haven't been to a group nomination in like 9 years, and the link to BW herO. | ||
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Argonauta
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 19:00 AzAlexZ wrote: Dark to put himself in a group of death, then blames someone else for his decision I'd be pretty impressed if he went from first picking KeeN to a group of death. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 18:52 sneakyfox wrote: Maybe he should go for a strong ZvZ, Dark wouldn't like that. Solar perhaps? The logical choice. Now Dark should at least not get double value from his swap. Let's see if it backfires though. Solar's ZvT is pretty strong. | ||
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Vindicare605
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Argonauta
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Edit: And the fact Maru is there when he was eliminated in the ro32... | ||
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Penev
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On July 24 2019 19:01 Elentos wrote: I'd be pretty impressed if he went from first picking KeeN to a group of death. unless the commander shows up and it'll be one of those weird Keen days | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 19:02 Argonauta wrote: how can be the runner up the 4th one to pick? Edit: And the fact Maru is there when he was eliminated in the ro32... GSL results from across the year factor into it. Maru won season 1, so he has a high amount of GSL points even though last season was a bust. | ||
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Circumstance
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On July 24 2019 19:05 Harris1st wrote: Can't watch with sound. Special looks like he is about to cry? He was fine. What he said was "It doesn't matter who picks me, I'm going to end up in Group A anyway. So pick me in that group if you want to make things easier for Dark." | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:08 Elentos wrote: Wonder how soO feels sitting on the caster side now. He's been on the player side of this a thousand times over. Like it's the second best thing ever? | ||
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On July 24 2019 19:11 sneakyfox wrote: Wow so long time until Ro16 begins. Holy fuck. | ||
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Argonauta
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La1
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/gMCzob7.jpg) GSL paying tribute | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:24 Elentos wrote: GSL vs the World voting starts in like 5 hours? I guess this was as good a time to announce that as any. Lol yes. Guess we need to do a lot of campaigning these next months. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 19:25 Acrofales wrote: So do the koreans actually fear Special? They picked keen and fantasy ahead of Special? Unless they think Dark is gonna swap him anyway, so they don't want him? Everyone just accepts that SpeCial is gonna end up in group A. Even Juan himself. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:28 La1 wrote: is it me or is it quite unfair on special, he doesn't seem to get the whole conversation Why do you think that? He speaks some Korean and gets at least most of what the commentators say before his translator translates. | ||
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:28 Circumstance wrote: It seemed like there were mainly three types of answer in that "go back 10 years" question. Either change nothing, get back the time that was lost to isolated practice, or be some other type of pro athlete. My favorite answer was Solar's, though. He's personable enough to do that political stuff. Yeah he always has the best answers. Remember a couple of seasons ago when they asked them who they wanted to be if they weren't themselves. Everybody named another progamer, usually a very successful one. Solar was like "lol if I could chose anyone I wouldn't want to be some progamer, I would be a pro footballer, Son Heung-min" | ||
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HolydaKing
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Vindicare605
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote: Fuck it, just throw TY into that group. May as well just get it over with. Don't worry, exactly what Dark is planning | ||
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Elentos
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Can we please not have a Splyce teamkill? It's like every time they both make Ro16. Let's try something new. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On July 24 2019 19:34 HeroSandro wrote: Considering that Maru has been coasting on easy Ro16 groups, this is not surprising. Classic, MAru, GumiHo, Dear. So ezpz group. Remember you need to win the Code S first to make yourself the easy group  Edit> Also Maru, Solar, Zest, Patience isn't exactly the easiest possible group out there, but back then it was either a Terran for Maru in RO16 or a teamkill. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:35 Elentos wrote: Can we please not have a Splyce teamkill? It's like every time they both make Ro16. Let's try something new. Dark has no soul  | ||
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HolydaKing
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:38 Elentos wrote: So like... is soO gonna get the MVP award for this group nomination? Let's be honest they're all just letting soO make the groups. The hands-down choice. | ||
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Penev
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 19:37 deacon.frost wrote: Classic, MAru, GumiHo, Dear. So ezpz group. Remember you need to win the Code S first to make yourself the easy group Edit> Also Maru, Solar, Zest, Patience isn't exactly the easiest possible group out there, but back then it was either a Terran for Maru in RO16 or a teamkill. Reminder that 15 players at the group selection laughed at the fact that the 16th one there was Patience. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Oh right there's also Cure. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 19:41 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if there is an odd chance that Dark swaps Fantasy into his group instead of making group C even deadlier. Would give him the three weakest TvZ's, couldn't get much better. Well, he told everyone not to pick Terrans and Trap didn't listen. So Trap is on the shit list. It's possible. | ||
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Acrofales
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On July 24 2019 19:38 HolydaKing wrote: Pretty decent group for Fantasy if he shows a better TvP. Except that he's being instantly swapped to group A. But I think his TvT is okay, right? And he just has to win 2 TvTs to go through. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On July 24 2019 19:40 Elentos wrote: Reminder that 15 players at the group selection laughed at the fact that the 16th one there was Patience. I was talking mostly about Solar & Zest. The irony is soO who selected his own group where he did end last | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:42 Elentos wrote: Well, he told everyone not to pick Terrans and Trap didn't listen. So Trap is on the shit list. It's possible. And now soO said it too so we know it's going to happen. | ||
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rofl or he could use it just for spite :D | ||
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Acrofales
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On July 24 2019 19:43 Acrofales wrote: Except that he's being instantly swapped to group A. But I think his TvT is okay, right? And he just has to win 2 TvTs to go through. Hm. Weird. Is Cure particularly good against Trap? | ||
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Acrofales
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On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if this is even good for TY in the end. Now Dark has his perfect group so he's definitely going to use the swap for malicious purposes. TY in group C it is rofl or he could use it just for spite :D Oh. He doesn't have to swap within his own group, does he? So he can just leave his whole group there, and then swap Fantasy with Maru or something. | ||
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On July 24 2019 19:47 Acrofales wrote: Oh. He doesn't have to swap within his own group, does he? So he can just leave his whole group there, and then swap Fantasy with Maru or something. He can do any swap that doesn't involve himself, Maru, Trap or Classic. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On July 24 2019 19:47 Acrofales wrote: Oh. He doesn't have to swap within his own group, does he? So he can just leave his whole group there, and then swap Fantasy with Maru or something. Can he swap the group owner thogh? Also Dark said he won't put TY in Maru's group if he picks Zerg, Solar was picked  | ||
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Circumstance
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On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if this is even good for TY in the end. Now Dark has his perfect group so he's definitely going to use the swap for malicious purposes. TY in group C it is rofl or he could use it just for spite :D Remember, they nerfed the swap. The swap can't be used on two out-of-group players anymore. At least one has to be in A. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:48 Circumstance wrote: Remember, they nerfed the swap. The swap can't be used on two out-of-group players anymore. At least one has to be in A. Huh? Are you sure? | ||
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Unless it was reverted. It's definitely been the case in some recent seasons. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 19:55 sneakyfox wrote: TY says he's going to study herO and figure him out. That would be a first. He's been working on that for 7 years but they just never met in the GSL Ro16 | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 19:56 Elentos wrote: He's been working on that for 7 years but they just never met in the GSL Ro16 You wouldn't think that one can prepare for a single match for so long but TY always had that special vision of the game | ||
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deacon.frost
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On July 24 2019 20:02 Circumstance wrote: To be fair to TY, in his last two encounters with herO, he took multiple map wins both times. And their previous meeting before those was in January. Unless TY slacks he should be better than herO | ||
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You handled that like a pro. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/H2zEGOI.gif) | ||
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darklycid
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OK got fixed rn :D | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 20:10 Penev wrote: huh, Dark didn't fuck up yeah, but it actually made sense. He was able to get the easy group and be a dick to his rivals. The prerogative of the first pick | ||
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Argonauta
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At least Cure and Trap can really really practice TvP between them. | ||
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deacon.frost
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Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:11 Argonauta wrote: Group C lol! At least Cure and Trap can really really practice TvP between them. So they can not advance together. | ||
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repomaniak
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GSL Incontrol memoriam GSL GCLEF spend more nights with zest kappapride | ||
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On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups... Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways. Hmm I think you're going to have to elaborate a bit on that. | ||
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On July 24 2019 20:18 sneakyfox wrote: Hmm I think you're going to have to elaborate a bit on that. If we take into account every possible world in every possible reality, there's going to be some where Special and Fantasy advance. It probably won't be in this one though. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote: TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev | ||
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Harris1st
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On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways. If there are about 100.000+ parallel worlds, then yes I guess there are 2-3 wehre Special and Fantasy both adavance But there are about 5000+ where neither advances | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote: OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. | ||
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On July 24 2019 20:24 Harris1st wrote: If there are about 100.000+ parallel worlds, then yes I guess there are 2-3 wehre Special and Fantasy both adavance But there are about 5000+ where neither advances .... so you're saying there's a chance?! My boy Dark has this ez. | ||
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droppanda
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On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups... Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. Have been watching his streams lately and he has so far not mastered sky terran vs mass investor/corrupter late game. He is trying with liberator/battlecruiser combo like maru has but he is not macroing at anywhere near the same speed as maru, and his liberator/battelcruiser micro is also not up to par. I think he is going to struggle against dark going by his recent streaming performance. | ||
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On July 24 2019 20:26 TheOneAboveU wrote: .... so you're saying there's a chance?! My boy Dark has this ez. If we can imagine a world in which it is true, then it is true. | ||
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Harris1st
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Care to elaborate for those who missed the show? | ||
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Vanadiel
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On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote: TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote: TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Same can be said about Trap vT(maybe except Maru ), their match can go both ways but while Trap was in a good form and did beat TY in S1 TY managed to return from a short term slump. It will be interesting. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:30 Vanadiel wrote: Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration. Terran buffed as well. I think we can cut the might as well, group B is at the end of August, I don't see Blizzard waiting this long. I presume the balance changes will come with the new ladder season, a week before the Ro16 starts and a week after GSL vs the World. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 24 2019 20:30 Harris1st wrote: Somebody said something about GSL v The World. Care to elaborate for those who missed the show? As a casual side note they announced voting is going to start in a few hours on TL. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:34 Elentos wrote: Terran buffed as well. I think we can cut the might as well, group B is at the end of August, I don't see Blizzard waiting this long. Considering the discussed changes nothing IMO affects Trap's PvT that much. | ||
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On July 24 2019 20:36 deacon.frost wrote: Considering the discussed changes nothing IMO affects Trap's PvT that much. Charge nerf and prism nerf will affect every Protoss very hard if they go through as proposed recently. The positive aspect for Trap is that if the changes come out as I predict, it's unlikely there's gonna be any groundbreaking meta progress (a build that makes perfect use of the stim change) until his group is played Also they have to worry about beating Cure and herO before they worry about each other | ||
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Circumstance
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On July 24 2019 20:18 sneakyfox wrote: Hmm I think you're going to have to elaborate a bit on that. Dark has had the least exposure and worst winrate against Terrans this year in offline play. His last match loss was to Gumiho, who was 2-0d by Armani this season. Special's form against Korean Zergs is unclear, as most of the matches he plays against them are against the same few that do online competitions regularly. In TvT, he has proven time and again that he's capable of hanging tough with all but that absolute best. Fantasy's a build man, adept with preparation. Always has been, so the long gap works in his favor. He has a good deal of relatively recent offline matches against other Zergs in this Ro16, so he isn't being held up by any degree of insufficient practice. Now, I'm no fool. Dark is the very, very clear favorite in this group. But as we've seen in the past, it's entirely possible to get complacent when you're the top overall seed and you've made what appears to be an A+ group selection (*cough*Inno*cough*). If Dark is too pleased with his results, this might not end up being the battle for 2nd that it appears to be. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:40 Elentos wrote: Charge nerf and prism nerf will affect every Protoss very hard if they go through as proposed recently. The positive aspect for Trap is that if the changes come out as I predict, it's unlikely there's gonna be any groundbreaking meta progress (a build that makes perfect use of the stim change) until his group is played Also they have to worry about beating Cure and herO before they worry about each other What I mean is that Trap's PvT wasn't based around heavy WP usage and chargelots everywhere nor the timings with those. herO? Classic? Zest? PATIENCE? Sure, these will get hit harder than Trap. In PvT, PvZ is a different story. | ||
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On July 24 2019 20:44 deacon.frost wrote: What I mean is that Trap's PvT wasn't based around heavy WP usage and chargelots everywhere nor the timings with those. herO? Classic? Zest? PATIENCE? Sure, these will get hit harder than Trap. In PvT, PvZ is a different story. A very important part of Trap's PvT is his excellent warp prism harass. Now that's not nearly the only thing that's been making Trap's PvT work, but the ability to deal with a warp prism in your main more easily will surely be a god send for Terrans. And the impact of the core army unit becoming strictly worse remains to be seen. Those changes combined might actually also make mech in TvP decisively better because the #1 cause of death for people trying to mech has been getting busted by mass gateway units (mostly zealots and stalkers) before having a reasonable sized army. | ||
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On July 24 2019 20:55 Penev wrote: inb4 blizzard patches the game and a terran invents a highly abusable TvZ build that isn't countered or nerfed before Darks group It looks like a 2-1-1 but you actually rush out the EMP upgrade in a hidden ghost academy and remove the transfuse energy from every queen with 1 EMP. | ||
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On July 24 2019 21:01 Elentos wrote: It looks like a 2-1-1 but you actually rush out the EMP upgrade in a hidden ghost academy and remove the transfuse energy from every queen with 1 EMP. nice, I expected an answer using the possible stim buff but this is much better | ||
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Harris1st
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On July 24 2019 21:01 Elentos wrote: It looks like a 2-1-1 but you actually rush out the EMP upgrade in a hidden ghost academy and remove the transfuse energy from every queen with 1 EMP. Or some Marauder/ Hellion timing push with stim and concussive | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 24 2019 22:24 Harris1st wrote: Or some Marauder/ Hellion timing push with stim and concussive Hmm, I wonder if this scouted can be beaten by mutas (I mean if they're on time to defend) | ||
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On July 24 2019 22:57 Fango wrote: Dark could play his group high and still be the overwhelming favourite Well, Inno made an interesting case | ||
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Moonerz
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Glad to see no KT team kill as well. | ||
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Harris1st
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On July 24 2019 22:43 deacon.frost wrote: Hmm, I wonder if this scouted can be beaten by mutas (I mean if they're on time to defend)I was thinking like 2-1-1 even without Medivacs at the start. 4 Marauder, 4 Hellions and go. Could then be reinforced by Medivacs who bring the new units to the front so no zergling counter possbile | ||
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Acrofales
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On July 24 2019 20:29 droppanda wrote: Have been watching his streams lately and he has so far not mastered sky terran vs mass investor/corrupter late game. He is trying with liberator/battlecruiser combo like maru has but he is not macroing at anywhere near the same speed as maru, and his liberator/battelcruiser micro is also not up to par. I think he is going to struggle against dark going by his recent streaming performance. But the group stage matches are still a month away, so any Ro8 battles are about a month and a half away. A lot can change in that time. | ||
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texture13
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On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: SpeCial is pure hollywood up in here HAH! Cracked me up! | ||
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Zaros
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On July 31 2019 15:05 Azzur wrote: Just checked the schedule and the Ro16 is going to be held in 4 weeks time! I wonder why there's such a huge delay... because gsl vs the world is in between | ||
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DragOn vs Sziky
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