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Fully expecting Dark to screw this up.
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On July 24 2019 18:03 sneakyfox wrote: Fully expecting Dark to screw this up. Anything else would be a disappointment tbh.
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On July 24 2019 18:15 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 18:03 sneakyfox wrote: Fully expecting Dark to screw this up. Anything else would be a disappointment tbh.
At this point, he'd almost be screwing things up if he DIDN'T screw it up.
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Dark is gonna first pick Maru
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On July 24 2019 18:21 Elentos wrote: Dark is gonna first pick Maru Or Classic.
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what would be the ultimate group of death Dark could blunder himself into?
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On July 24 2019 18:24 HolydaKing wrote:Or Classic. Sadly I doubt either of them is gonna be an option. Maru maybe but Classic should have his own group.
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On July 24 2019 18:26 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 18:24 HolydaKing wrote:On July 24 2019 18:21 Elentos wrote: Dark is gonna first pick Maru Or Classic. Sadly I doubt either of them is gonna be an option. Maru maybe but Classic should have his own group. Oh, you are right. Maybe TY or Stats are two other good options then.
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Shit, I wanted to watch some GSL at the office discretely on my phone and now I want to cry.
We miss you Geoff.
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Looks like Maru has his own group
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Maru wants to play against a Zerg, TY wants to avoid Zerg.
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LOL, Solar doesn't wanna lose against the GSL caster.
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These guys are so full of crap, it's great.
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Jin Air villains! I like it!
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lmao Special
Looks like he's powering up the hate machine to improve his TvZ
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Can I please get Ultimate Whine Battle between SpeCial and Dark? I need to know all the reasons Zerg is OP and all the reasons Zerg is the worst race in any RTS game ever.
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LOL! Fuckin1 Maru. "Ohhhh yyyyeeaaaahhh.... I guess I *did* totally wreck his fucking face in the finals that one time. I'd forgotten all about that."
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Caster soO is here to be there for TY.
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After saying all that, it's so serious BM if Dark picks TY.
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"I'm the champion, I'm not supposed to walk"
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Keen 1st pick. Obvious pick.
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Maru should play it smart now and pick a strong player tbh. Minimize the risk of Dark swapping TY next to him.
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Gotta admit, soO looks handsome behind that desk. That jacket works on him.
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On July 24 2019 18:49 Elentos wrote: Maru should play it smart now and pick a strong player tbh. Minimize the risk of Dark swapping TY next to him.
Maybe he should go for a strong ZvZ, Dark wouldn't like that. Solar perhaps?
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There's also links to Tasteless and Artosis twitters who haven't been to a group nomination in like 9 years, and the link to BW herO.
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Dark to put himself in a group of death, then blames someone else for his decision
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the face of Fantasy when Maru picks Solar lol
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On July 24 2019 19:00 AzAlexZ wrote: Dark to put himself in a group of death, then blames someone else for his decision I'd be pretty impressed if he went from first picking KeeN to a group of death.
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Now Solar's gonna pick TY
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Rogue's face right now could deal bonus damage to Light units.
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On July 24 2019 18:52 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 18:49 Elentos wrote: Maru should play it smart now and pick a strong player tbh. Minimize the risk of Dark swapping TY next to him. Maybe he should go for a strong ZvZ, Dark wouldn't like that. Solar perhaps?
The logical choice. Now Dark should at least not get double value from his swap.
Let's see if it backfires though. Solar's ZvT is pretty strong.
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Oh don't be a jerk solar! Jin Air always has to teamkill each other in this round. Let them play it out for once!
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how can be the runner up the 4th one to pick?
Edit: And the fact Maru is there when he was eliminated in the ro32...
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On July 24 2019 19:01 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:00 AzAlexZ wrote: Dark to put himself in a group of death, then blames someone else for his decision I'd be pretty impressed if he went from first picking KeeN to a group of death. unless the commander shows up and it'll be one of those weird Keen days
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Wow, the callout to Dark's group swap.
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Can't watch with sound. Special looks like he is about to cry?
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On July 24 2019 19:02 Argonauta wrote: how can be the runner up the 4th one to pick?
Edit: And the fact Maru is there when he was eliminated in the ro32... GSL results from across the year factor into it. Maru won season 1, so he has a high amount of GSL points even though last season was a bust.
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On July 24 2019 19:05 Harris1st wrote: Can't watch with sound. Special looks like he is about to cry? He was fine. What he said was "It doesn't matter who picks me, I'm going to end up in Group A anyway. So pick me in that group if you want to make things easier for Dark."
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Wonder how soO feels sitting on the caster side now. He's been on the player side of this a thousand times over.
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Trap just made the shit list.
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On July 24 2019 19:08 Elentos wrote: Wonder how soO feels sitting on the caster side now. He's been on the player side of this a thousand times over.
Like it's the second best thing ever?
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Well group C is going to be the group of death for sure, it's inevitable.
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Right now C is the group of death
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What's the over/under on Solar picking Zest?
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Wow so long time until Ro16 begins.
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On July 24 2019 19:11 sneakyfox wrote: Wow so long time until Ro16 begins. Holy fuck.
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asembly summer 2019? First notice of it, Just looked it up . Great lineup! sad no JAGW players attend tho
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These better be the most well-prepared and thought out groups of all time. So much time. There's gonna be like 3 balance patches and 8 meta shifts before group A.
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GSL paying tribute
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Really yeah what's the point of asking what TY would do if he went back 10 years, he was already a pro by then. Either more or less time needed for him.
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If soO wasn't a progamer, he would have been a K-pop idol. Finally Mizenhauer's reverence makes perfect sense.
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Okay, now we need to hear soO's singing voice, at minimum.
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GSL vs the World voting starts in like 5 hours? I guess this was as good a time to announce that as any.
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On July 24 2019 19:24 Elentos wrote: GSL vs the World voting starts in like 5 hours? I guess this was as good a time to announce that as any.
Lol yes. Guess we need to do a lot of campaigning these next months.
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So do the koreans actually fear Special? They picked keen and fantasy ahead of Special? Unless they think Dark is gonna swap him anyway, so they don't want him?
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On July 24 2019 19:25 Acrofales wrote: So do the koreans actually fear Special? They picked keen and fantasy ahead of Special? Unless they think Dark is gonna swap him anyway, so they don't want him? Everyone just accepts that SpeCial is gonna end up in group A. Even Juan himself.
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is it me or is it quite unfair on special, he doesn't seem to get the whole conversation
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Special trying hard to make things more entertaining.
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It seemed like there were mainly three types of answer in that "go back 10 years" question. Either change nothing, get back the time that was lost to isolated practice, or be some other type of pro athlete. My favorite answer was Solar's, though. He's personable enough to do that political stuff.
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On July 24 2019 19:28 La1 wrote: is it me or is it quite unfair on special, he doesn't seem to get the whole conversation
Why do you think that? He speaks some Korean and gets at least most of what the commentators say before his translator translates.
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Don't think we've ever had 2 people try to talk at the same time before.
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On July 24 2019 19:28 Circumstance wrote: It seemed like there were mainly three types of answer in that "go back 10 years" question. Either change nothing, get back the time that was lost to isolated practice, or be some other type of pro athlete. My favorite answer was Solar's, though. He's personable enough to do that political stuff.
Yeah he always has the best answers. Remember a couple of seasons ago when they asked them who they wanted to be if they weren't themselves. Everybody named another progamer, usually a very successful one. Solar was like "lol if I could chose anyone I wouldn't want to be some progamer, I would be a pro footballer, Son Heung-min"
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Group C is shaping up to be nice.
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Fuck it, just throw TY into that group. May as well just get it over with.
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Solar just taking a moral stand.
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On July 24 2019 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote: Fuck it, just throw TY into that group. May as well just get it over with.
Don't worry, exactly what Dark is planning
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Considering that Maru has been coasting on easy Ro16 groups, this is not surprising.
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On July 24 2019 19:34 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote: Fuck it, just throw TY into that group. May as well just get it over with. Don't worry, exactly what Dark is planning Can we please not have a Splyce teamkill? It's like every time they both make Ro16. Let's try something new.
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On July 24 2019 19:34 HeroSandro wrote: Considering that Maru has been coasting on easy Ro16 groups, this is not surprising. Classic, MAru, GumiHo, Dear. So ezpz group. Remember you need to win the Code S first to make yourself the easy group
Edit> Also Maru, Solar, Zest, Patience isn't exactly the easiest possible group out there, but back then it was either a Terran for Maru in RO16 or a teamkill.
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On July 24 2019 19:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:34 sneakyfox wrote:On July 24 2019 19:33 Vindicare605 wrote: Fuck it, just throw TY into that group. May as well just get it over with. Don't worry, exactly what Dark is planning Can we please not have a Splyce teamkill? It's like every time they both make Ro16. Let's try something new.
Dark has no soul
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Pretty decent group for Fantasy if he shows a better TvP.
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So like... is soO gonna get the MVP award for this group nomination? Let's be honest they're all just letting soO make the groups.
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Ok KeeN, Special it is then
On July 24 2019 19:38 Elentos wrote: So like... is soO gonna get the MVP award for this group nomination? Let's be honest they're all just letting soO make the groups.
The hands-down choice.
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herO might not bring his keyboard so a solid choice I'd say
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On July 24 2019 19:37 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:34 HeroSandro wrote: Considering that Maru has been coasting on easy Ro16 groups, this is not surprising. Classic, MAru, GumiHo, Dear. So ezpz group. Remember you need to win the Code S first to make yourself the easy group Edit> Also Maru, Solar, Zest, Patience isn't exactly the easiest possible group out there, but back then it was either a Terran for Maru in RO16 or a teamkill. Reminder that 15 players at the group selection laughed at the fact that the 16th one there was Patience.
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Wonder if there is an odd chance that Dark swaps Fantasy into his group instead of making group C even deadlier. Would give him the three weakest TvZ's, couldn't get much better.
Oh right there's also Cure.
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On July 24 2019 19:41 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if there is an odd chance that Dark swaps Fantasy into his group instead of making group C even deadlier. Would give him the three weakest TvZ's, couldn't get much better. Well, he told everyone not to pick Terrans and Trap didn't listen. So Trap is on the shit list. It's possible.
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On July 24 2019 19:38 HolydaKing wrote: Pretty decent group for Fantasy if he shows a better TvP. Except that he's being instantly swapped to group A. But I think his TvT is okay, right? And he just has to win 2 TvTs to go through.
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On July 24 2019 19:40 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:37 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 19:34 HeroSandro wrote: Considering that Maru has been coasting on easy Ro16 groups, this is not surprising. Classic, MAru, GumiHo, Dear. So ezpz group. Remember you need to win the Code S first to make yourself the easy group Edit> Also Maru, Solar, Zest, Patience isn't exactly the easiest possible group out there, but back then it was either a Terran for Maru in RO16 or a teamkill. Reminder that 15 players at the group selection laughed at the fact that the 16th one there was Patience. I was talking mostly about Solar & Zest. The irony is soO who selected his own group where he did end last
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On July 24 2019 19:42 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:41 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if there is an odd chance that Dark swaps Fantasy into his group instead of making group C even deadlier. Would give him the three weakest TvZ's, couldn't get much better. Well, he told everyone not to pick Terrans and Trap didn't listen. So Trap is on the shit list. It's possible.
And now soO said it too so we know it's going to happen.
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SpeCial is pure hollywood up in here
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Wonder if this is even good for TY in the end. Now Dark has his perfect group so he's definitely going to use the swap for malicious purposes. TY in group C it is
rofl or he could use it just for spite :D
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On July 24 2019 19:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:38 HolydaKing wrote: Pretty decent group for Fantasy if he shows a better TvP. Except that he's being instantly swapped to group A. But I think his TvT is okay, right? And he just has to win 2 TvTs to go through. Hm. Weird. Is Cure particularly good against Trap?
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On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if this is even good for TY in the end. Now Dark has his perfect group so he's definitely going to use the swap for malicious purposes. TY in group C it is
rofl or he could use it just for spite :D Oh. He doesn't have to swap within his own group, does he? So he can just leave his whole group there, and then swap Fantasy with Maru or something.
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I'm shocked Zest is still sitting there honestly.
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On July 24 2019 19:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if this is even good for TY in the end. Now Dark has his perfect group so he's definitely going to use the swap for malicious purposes. TY in group C it is
rofl or he could use it just for spite :D Oh. He doesn't have to swap within his own group, does he? So he can just leave his whole group there, and then swap Fantasy with Maru or something. He can do any swap that doesn't involve himself, Maru, Trap or Classic.
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On July 24 2019 19:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if this is even good for TY in the end. Now Dark has his perfect group so he's definitely going to use the swap for malicious purposes. TY in group C it is
rofl or he could use it just for spite :D Oh. He doesn't have to swap within his own group, does he? So he can just leave his whole group there, and then swap Fantasy with Maru or something. Can he swap the group owner thogh? Also Dark said he won't put TY in Maru's group if he picks Zerg, Solar was picked
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On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if this is even good for TY in the end. Now Dark has his perfect group so he's definitely going to use the swap for malicious purposes. TY in group C it is
rofl or he could use it just for spite :D Remember, they nerfed the swap. The swap can't be used on two out-of-group players anymore. At least one has to be in A.
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On July 24 2019 19:48 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if this is even good for TY in the end. Now Dark has his perfect group so he's definitely going to use the swap for malicious purposes. TY in group C it is
rofl or he could use it just for spite :D Remember, they nerfed the swap. The swap can't be used on two out-of-group players anymore. At least one has to be in A.
Huh? Are you sure?
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On July 24 2019 19:50 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:48 Circumstance wrote:On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: Wonder if this is even good for TY in the end. Now Dark has his perfect group so he's definitely going to use the swap for malicious purposes. TY in group C it is
rofl or he could use it just for spite :D Remember, they nerfed the swap. The swap can't be used on two out-of-group players anymore. At least one has to be in A. Huh? Are you sure? Unless it was reverted. It's definitely been the case in some recent seasons.
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Lol. No need to swap TY into group B anymore
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TY says he's going to study herO and figure him out. That would be a first.
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On July 24 2019 19:55 sneakyfox wrote: TY says he's going to study herO and figure him out. That would be a first. He's been working on that for 7 years but they just never met in the GSL Ro16
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The Evil Midget is angry
On July 24 2019 19:56 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 19:55 sneakyfox wrote: TY says he's going to study herO and figure him out. That would be a first. He's been working on that for 7 years but they just never met in the GSL Ro16
You wouldn't think that one can prepare for a single match for so long but TY always had that special vision of the game
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To be fair to TY, in his last two encounters with herO, he took multiple map wins both times. And their previous meeting before those was in January.
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On July 24 2019 20:02 Circumstance wrote: To be fair to TY, in his last two encounters with herO, he took multiple map wins both times. And their previous meeting before those was in January. Unless TY slacks he should be better than herO
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translator is 10/10. He deserves more credit
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S T A T S
You handled that like a pro.
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This can only be the Cure-Fantasy swap right?
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Why does lp say sOs in one of the groups? OK got fixed rn :D
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Dark with the easiest group, what a surprise. I think he didn't really hurt Fantasy with that swap tho.
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This is the part where I note that Dark's last recorded match loss was a ZvT.
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No Terran for Maru is good!
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On July 24 2019 20:10 Penev wrote: huh, Dark didn't fuck up yeah, but it actually made sense. He was able to get the easy group and be a dick to his rivals. The prerogative of the first pick
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Group C lol!
At least Cure and Trap can really really practice TvP between them.
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Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire.
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On July 24 2019 20:11 Argonauta wrote: Group C lol!
At least Cure and Trap can really really practice TvP between them. So they can not advance together.
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GSL Major and translator
GSL Incontrol memoriam
GSL GCLEF spend more nights with zest kappapride
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All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways.
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On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark.
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On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways.
Hmm I think you're going to have to elaborate a bit on that.
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Depending on what Stats and TY appears at their play day we may end up with 4 JAGW players in the RO8. (if Rogue finally woke up)
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On July 24 2019 20:18 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways. Hmm I think you're going to have to elaborate a bit on that. If we take into account every possible world in every possible reality, there's going to be some where Special and Fantasy advance. It probably won't be in this one though.
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On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark
I don't know, Kev
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On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways.
If there are about 100.000+ parallel worlds, then yes I guess there are 2-3 wehre Special and Fantasy both adavance But there are about 5000+ where neither advances
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On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3.
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On July 24 2019 20:24 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways. If there are about 100.000+ parallel worlds, then yes I guess there are 2-3 wehre Special and Fantasy both adavance But there are about 5000+ where neither advances
.... so you're saying there's a chance?!
My boy Dark has this ez.
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On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire.
Have been watching his streams lately and he has so far not mastered sky terran vs mass investor/corrupter late game. He is trying with liberator/battlecruiser combo like maru has but he is not macroing at anywhere near the same speed as maru, and his liberator/battelcruiser micro is also not up to par.
I think he is going to struggle against dark going by his recent streaming performance.
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On July 24 2019 20:26 TheOneAboveU wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:24 Harris1st wrote:On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways. If there are about 100.000+ parallel worlds, then yes I guess there are 2-3 wehre Special and Fantasy both adavance But there are about 5000+ where neither advances .... so you're saying there's a chance?! My boy Dark has this ez. If we can imagine a world in which it is true, then it is true.
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Somebody said something about GSL v The World.
Care to elaborate for those who missed the show?
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On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3.
Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration.
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On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Same can be said about Trap vT(maybe except Maru ), their match can go both ways but while Trap was in a good form and did beat TY in S1 TY managed to return from a short term slump. It will be interesting.
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On July 24 2019 20:30 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration. Terran buffed as well. I think we can cut the might as well, group B is at the end of August, I don't see Blizzard waiting this long. I presume the balance changes will come with the new ladder season, a week before the Ro16 starts and a week after GSL vs the World.
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On July 24 2019 20:30 Harris1st wrote:Somebody said something about GSL v The World. Care to elaborate for those who missed the show? As a casual side note they announced voting is going to start in a few hours on TL.
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On July 24 2019 20:34 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:30 Vanadiel wrote:On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration. Terran buffed as well. I think we can cut the might as well, group B is at the end of August, I don't see Blizzard waiting this long. Considering the discussed changes nothing IMO affects Trap's PvT that much.
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On July 24 2019 20:36 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:34 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:30 Vanadiel wrote:On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration. Terran buffed as well. I think we can cut the might as well, group B is at the end of August, I don't see Blizzard waiting this long. Considering the discussed changes nothing IMO affects Trap's PvT that much. Charge nerf and prism nerf will affect every Protoss very hard if they go through as proposed recently. The positive aspect for Trap is that if the changes come out as I predict, it's unlikely there's gonna be any groundbreaking meta progress (a build that makes perfect use of the stim change) until his group is played
Also they have to worry about beating Cure and herO before they worry about each other
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On July 24 2019 20:18 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:16 Circumstance wrote: All I'm saying is that there's a few worlds where Special and Fantasy both make Ro8. Not saying I'm Liquibetting it, just that there are ways. Hmm I think you're going to have to elaborate a bit on that. Dark has had the least exposure and worst winrate against Terrans this year in offline play. His last match loss was to Gumiho, who was 2-0d by Armani this season. Special's form against Korean Zergs is unclear, as most of the matches he plays against them are against the same few that do online competitions regularly. In TvT, he has proven time and again that he's capable of hanging tough with all but that absolute best. Fantasy's a build man, adept with preparation. Always has been, so the long gap works in his favor. He has a good deal of relatively recent offline matches against other Zergs in this Ro16, so he isn't being held up by any degree of insufficient practice.
Now, I'm no fool. Dark is the very, very clear favorite in this group. But as we've seen in the past, it's entirely possible to get complacent when you're the top overall seed and you've made what appears to be an A+ group selection (*cough*Inno*cough*). If Dark is too pleased with his results, this might not end up being the battle for 2nd that it appears to be.
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On July 24 2019 20:40 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:36 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 20:34 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:30 Vanadiel wrote:On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration. Terran buffed as well. I think we can cut the might as well, group B is at the end of August, I don't see Blizzard waiting this long. Considering the discussed changes nothing IMO affects Trap's PvT that much. Charge nerf and prism nerf will affect every Protoss very hard if they go through as proposed recently. The positive aspect for Trap is that if the changes come out as I predict, it's unlikely there's gonna be any groundbreaking meta progress (a build that makes perfect use of the stim change) until his group is played Also they have to worry about beating Cure and herO before they worry about each other What I mean is that Trap's PvT wasn't based around heavy WP usage and chargelots everywhere nor the timings with those. herO? Classic? Zest? PATIENCE? Sure, these will get hit harder than Trap. In PvT, PvZ is a different story.
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On July 24 2019 20:44 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:40 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:36 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 20:34 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:30 Vanadiel wrote:On July 24 2019 20:26 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 24 2019 20:17 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. TY is going to try extremely hard to avoid Dark. OK, let's face it. Unless Dark really screws up he's 1st. Which means TY has two options 1) Win against probably the best PvT in Korea ATM 2) Boost some random Terran(mjr Special?) TvZ so he wins the group instead of Dark I don't know, Kev TY can beat any Protoss, just has to be on his game. But when he's on his game I still don't see him beating Dark outside of BO3. Until RO8, Protoss might get nerfed too, that's something to take in consideration. Terran buffed as well. I think we can cut the might as well, group B is at the end of August, I don't see Blizzard waiting this long. Considering the discussed changes nothing IMO affects Trap's PvT that much. Charge nerf and prism nerf will affect every Protoss very hard if they go through as proposed recently. The positive aspect for Trap is that if the changes come out as I predict, it's unlikely there's gonna be any groundbreaking meta progress (a build that makes perfect use of the stim change) until his group is played Also they have to worry about beating Cure and herO before they worry about each other What I mean is that Trap's PvT wasn't based around heavy WP usage and chargelots everywhere nor the timings with those. herO? Classic? Zest? PATIENCE? Sure, these will get hit harder than Trap. In PvT, PvZ is a different story. A very important part of Trap's PvT is his excellent warp prism harass. Now that's not nearly the only thing that's been making Trap's PvT work, but the ability to deal with a warp prism in your main more easily will surely be a god send for Terrans. And the impact of the core army unit becoming strictly worse remains to be seen.
Those changes combined might actually also make mech in TvP decisively better because the #1 cause of death for people trying to mech has been getting busted by mass gateway units (mostly zealots and stalkers) before having a reasonable sized army.
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inb4 blizzard patches the game and a terran invents a highly abusable TvZ build that isn't countered or nerfed before Darks group
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On July 24 2019 20:55 Penev wrote: inb4 blizzard patches the game and a terran invents a highly abusable TvZ build that isn't countered or nerfed before Darks group It looks like a 2-1-1 but you actually rush out the EMP upgrade in a hidden ghost academy and remove the transfuse energy from every queen with 1 EMP.
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On July 24 2019 21:01 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:55 Penev wrote: inb4 blizzard patches the game and a terran invents a highly abusable TvZ build that isn't countered or nerfed before Darks group It looks like a 2-1-1 but you actually rush out the EMP upgrade in a hidden ghost academy and remove the transfuse energy from every queen with 1 EMP. nice, I expected an answer using the possible stim buff but this is much better
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On July 24 2019 21:01 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:55 Penev wrote: inb4 blizzard patches the game and a terran invents a highly abusable TvZ build that isn't countered or nerfed before Darks group It looks like a 2-1-1 but you actually rush out the EMP upgrade in a hidden ghost academy and remove the transfuse energy from every queen with 1 EMP.
Or some Marauder/ Hellion timing push with stim and concussive
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On July 24 2019 22:24 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 21:01 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:55 Penev wrote: inb4 blizzard patches the game and a terran invents a highly abusable TvZ build that isn't countered or nerfed before Darks group It looks like a 2-1-1 but you actually rush out the EMP upgrade in a hidden ghost academy and remove the transfuse energy from every queen with 1 EMP. Or some Marauder/ Hellion timing push with stim and concussive Hmm, I wonder if this scouted can be beaten by mutas (I mean if they're on time to defend)
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Dark could play his group high and still be the overwhelming favourite
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On July 24 2019 22:57 Fango wrote: Dark could play his group high and still be the overwhelming favourite Well, Inno made an interesting case
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I actually think that worked out pretty well for Fantasy and Special, unless KeeN shows up like he did in the ro32.
Glad to see no KT team kill as well.
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On July 24 2019 22:43 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 22:24 Harris1st wrote:On July 24 2019 21:01 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2019 20:55 Penev wrote: inb4 blizzard patches the game and a terran invents a highly abusable TvZ build that isn't countered or nerfed before Darks group It looks like a 2-1-1 but you actually rush out the EMP upgrade in a hidden ghost academy and remove the transfuse energy from every queen with 1 EMP. Or some Marauder/ Hellion timing push with stim and concussive Hmm, I wonder if this scouted can be beaten by mutas (I mean if they're on time to defend)
I was thinking like 2-1-1 even without Medivacs at the start. 4 Marauder, 4 Hellions and go. Could then be reinforced by Medivacs who bring the new units to the front so no zergling counter possbile
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On July 24 2019 20:29 droppanda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Maru at least he didn't monobattle the groups...
Edit> Thinking about it, Dark has almost certain first place while he may face TY. Not sure how really good his ZvT is if TY is on fire. Have been watching his streams lately and he has so far not mastered sky terran vs mass investor/corrupter late game. He is trying with liberator/battlecruiser combo like maru has but he is not macroing at anywhere near the same speed as maru, and his liberator/battelcruiser micro is also not up to par. I think he is going to struggle against dark going by his recent streaming performance. But the group stage matches are still a month away, so any Ro8 battles are about a month and a half away. A lot can change in that time.
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Like others, I thought it'd be funny if Dark screwed this one up too. Group C looks terribly difficult.
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On July 24 2019 19:45 sneakyfox wrote: SpeCial is pure hollywood up in here
HAH! Cracked me up!
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Just checked the schedule and the Ro16 is going to be held in 4 weeks time! I wonder why there's such a huge delay...
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On July 31 2019 15:05 Azzur wrote: Just checked the schedule and the Ro16 is going to be held in 4 weeks time! I wonder why there's such a huge delay...
because gsl vs the world is in between
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There is ASUS RoG this weekend and GSL v World in 2 weeks
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