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Northern Ireland26248 Posts
On August 02 2019 06:54 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 06:43 Nakajin wrote:On August 02 2019 05:55 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2019 05:10 Xain0n wrote:On July 31 2019 21:55 parksonsc wrote:On July 30 2019 02:30 TheAnarchy wrote:
Innovation all the way. Without a doubt.
Maru "domination" was disputed by a foreigner thats the lvl of competion he faced.
In fact you cant say Maru dominated because he only won one tournament where serral played and he lost 3 (serral winning 2 of them). So we must say serral dominated 2019.
You cant compare marus achivement. Innovation played against Life, Taeja, Polt, Bomber, Zest, herO, Rain, etc all in their prime.
Maru is playing against Stats, Dark, TY, classic and rogue (serral who doesnt play in korea). Clearly all those players cant be compare with the first ones.
Couldn't agree more. Guys, take this into account: Inno's peak was in a much more memorable and competitive era, in the Kespa time when we had teams in Korea and all the best players there. When Inno was at peak, best player in the world was Korean without a doubt. Maru? I can see quite a lot people would say Serral was the best player in 2018. Maru's 4 consecutive GSLs was a great feat but i dare to say GSL is not that hard nowadays. I agree with the conclusion, the premises are senseless. Serral being the best player in the world while not being korean implies the era is less memorable and competitive? Winning Code S is as hard as ever but getting to ro32 is a joke if compared to the past so we can say it's easier to win so many times straight(also, before 2012 there was no group nomination and switch privilege iirc). Maru's peak was probably higher than Innovation's, that's true, but Inno "wasted" his true peak by losing to Soulkey. It's also true that Inno won almost exclusively when Terran was strong but he was capable of winning every kind of competition in every year of his career(no Premier tournaments in 2018 but HSC isn't that bad). Maru might become the GOAT, at the moment Inno is superior to him in terms of achievements. In a weird way Maru prospers in periods other Terrans don’t which should give him an edge in this discussion, but on the other hand he does avoid his (relatively) weaker matchup. As an aside I was pondering who would be the most rounded player across all 3 matchups they can play in SC2 history? At the same time? Late 2014-2015 Life before swarm host rework. 2012-13 Taeja. 2016 ByuN, by far the best terran in every matchup and probably the best player overall in every matchup too. No one could touch his bullshit. The only guy to master the flying tank, i wonder if other players Terrans would eventually catch up if it wasn't removed, everyone talks about his Reapers because of Blizzcon but i think the flying tank was the core to his sucess.
I still can’t believe that was actually a thing in the game haha
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Canada8989 Posts
On August 02 2019 07:03 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 06:54 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 06:43 Nakajin wrote:On August 02 2019 05:55 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2019 05:10 Xain0n wrote:On July 31 2019 21:55 parksonsc wrote:On July 30 2019 02:30 TheAnarchy wrote:
Innovation all the way. Without a doubt.
Maru "domination" was disputed by a foreigner thats the lvl of competion he faced.
In fact you cant say Maru dominated because he only won one tournament where serral played and he lost 3 (serral winning 2 of them). So we must say serral dominated 2019.
You cant compare marus achivement. Innovation played against Life, Taeja, Polt, Bomber, Zest, herO, Rain, etc all in their prime.
Maru is playing against Stats, Dark, TY, classic and rogue (serral who doesnt play in korea). Clearly all those players cant be compare with the first ones.
Couldn't agree more. Guys, take this into account: Inno's peak was in a much more memorable and competitive era, in the Kespa time when we had teams in Korea and all the best players there. When Inno was at peak, best player in the world was Korean without a doubt. Maru? I can see quite a lot people would say Serral was the best player in 2018. Maru's 4 consecutive GSLs was a great feat but i dare to say GSL is not that hard nowadays. I agree with the conclusion, the premises are senseless. Serral being the best player in the world while not being korean implies the era is less memorable and competitive? Winning Code S is as hard as ever but getting to ro32 is a joke if compared to the past so we can say it's easier to win so many times straight(also, before 2012 there was no group nomination and switch privilege iirc). Maru's peak was probably higher than Innovation's, that's true, but Inno "wasted" his true peak by losing to Soulkey. It's also true that Inno won almost exclusively when Terran was strong but he was capable of winning every kind of competition in every year of his career(no Premier tournaments in 2018 but HSC isn't that bad). Maru might become the GOAT, at the moment Inno is superior to him in terms of achievements. In a weird way Maru prospers in periods other Terrans don’t which should give him an edge in this discussion, but on the other hand he does avoid his (relatively) weaker matchup. As an aside I was pondering who would be the most rounded player across all 3 matchups they can play in SC2 history? At the same time? Late 2014-2015 Life before swarm host rework. 2012-13 Taeja. 2016 ByuN, by far the best terran in every matchup and probably the best player overall in every matchup too. No one could touch his bullshit. The only guy to master the flying tank, i wonder if other players Terrans would eventually catch up if it wasn't removed, everyone talks about his Reapers because of Blizzcon but i think the flying tank was the core to his sucess. I still can’t believe that was actually a thing in the game haha
Here's another tiny bit of Starcraft history: INnovation 67% in map and 72,5% in series is the third highest winrate ever.
Serral 68,5-74% (altought with a 50/50 vs kr) is the second highest ever.
ByuN has a fucking 71-76% winrate he's 2 and a half point in front of everyone else, if it wasn't for David Kim leaving he would be a 4 time world champ or something.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 02 2019 08:12 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 07:03 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2019 06:54 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 06:43 Nakajin wrote:On August 02 2019 05:55 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2019 05:10 Xain0n wrote:On July 31 2019 21:55 parksonsc wrote:On July 30 2019 02:30 TheAnarchy wrote:
Innovation all the way. Without a doubt.
Maru "domination" was disputed by a foreigner thats the lvl of competion he faced.
In fact you cant say Maru dominated because he only won one tournament where serral played and he lost 3 (serral winning 2 of them). So we must say serral dominated 2019.
You cant compare marus achivement. Innovation played against Life, Taeja, Polt, Bomber, Zest, herO, Rain, etc all in their prime.
Maru is playing against Stats, Dark, TY, classic and rogue (serral who doesnt play in korea). Clearly all those players cant be compare with the first ones.
Couldn't agree more. Guys, take this into account: Inno's peak was in a much more memorable and competitive era, in the Kespa time when we had teams in Korea and all the best players there. When Inno was at peak, best player in the world was Korean without a doubt. Maru? I can see quite a lot people would say Serral was the best player in 2018. Maru's 4 consecutive GSLs was a great feat but i dare to say GSL is not that hard nowadays. I agree with the conclusion, the premises are senseless. Serral being the best player in the world while not being korean implies the era is less memorable and competitive? Winning Code S is as hard as ever but getting to ro32 is a joke if compared to the past so we can say it's easier to win so many times straight(also, before 2012 there was no group nomination and switch privilege iirc). Maru's peak was probably higher than Innovation's, that's true, but Inno "wasted" his true peak by losing to Soulkey. It's also true that Inno won almost exclusively when Terran was strong but he was capable of winning every kind of competition in every year of his career(no Premier tournaments in 2018 but HSC isn't that bad). Maru might become the GOAT, at the moment Inno is superior to him in terms of achievements. In a weird way Maru prospers in periods other Terrans don’t which should give him an edge in this discussion, but on the other hand he does avoid his (relatively) weaker matchup. As an aside I was pondering who would be the most rounded player across all 3 matchups they can play in SC2 history? At the same time? Late 2014-2015 Life before swarm host rework. 2012-13 Taeja. 2016 ByuN, by far the best terran in every matchup and probably the best player overall in every matchup too. No one could touch his bullshit. The only guy to master the flying tank, i wonder if other players Terrans would eventually catch up if it wasn't removed, everyone talks about his Reapers because of Blizzcon but i think the flying tank was the core to his sucess. I still can’t believe that was actually a thing in the game haha Here's another tiny bit of Starcraft history: INnovation 67% in map and 72,5% in series is the third highest winrate ever. Serral 68,5-74% (altought with a 50/50 vs kr) is the second highest ever. ByuN has a fucking 71-76% winrate he's 2 and a half point in front of everyone else, if it wasn't for David Kim leaving he would be a 4 time world champ or something.
 Nah, he wouldn't, he was twice as bright and burned twice as fast (or some shit like that ). LAter on he was doing basic micro errors while Tastosis was talking about his top notch micro while looking at him screwing up micro. Good times
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On August 02 2019 08:12 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 07:03 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2019 06:54 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 06:43 Nakajin wrote:On August 02 2019 05:55 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2019 05:10 Xain0n wrote:On July 31 2019 21:55 parksonsc wrote:On July 30 2019 02:30 TheAnarchy wrote:
Innovation all the way. Without a doubt.
Maru "domination" was disputed by a foreigner thats the lvl of competion he faced.
In fact you cant say Maru dominated because he only won one tournament where serral played and he lost 3 (serral winning 2 of them). So we must say serral dominated 2019.
You cant compare marus achivement. Innovation played against Life, Taeja, Polt, Bomber, Zest, herO, Rain, etc all in their prime.
Maru is playing against Stats, Dark, TY, classic and rogue (serral who doesnt play in korea). Clearly all those players cant be compare with the first ones.
Couldn't agree more. Guys, take this into account: Inno's peak was in a much more memorable and competitive era, in the Kespa time when we had teams in Korea and all the best players there. When Inno was at peak, best player in the world was Korean without a doubt. Maru? I can see quite a lot people would say Serral was the best player in 2018. Maru's 4 consecutive GSLs was a great feat but i dare to say GSL is not that hard nowadays. I agree with the conclusion, the premises are senseless. Serral being the best player in the world while not being korean implies the era is less memorable and competitive? Winning Code S is as hard as ever but getting to ro32 is a joke if compared to the past so we can say it's easier to win so many times straight(also, before 2012 there was no group nomination and switch privilege iirc). Maru's peak was probably higher than Innovation's, that's true, but Inno "wasted" his true peak by losing to Soulkey. It's also true that Inno won almost exclusively when Terran was strong but he was capable of winning every kind of competition in every year of his career(no Premier tournaments in 2018 but HSC isn't that bad). Maru might become the GOAT, at the moment Inno is superior to him in terms of achievements. In a weird way Maru prospers in periods other Terrans don’t which should give him an edge in this discussion, but on the other hand he does avoid his (relatively) weaker matchup. As an aside I was pondering who would be the most rounded player across all 3 matchups they can play in SC2 history? At the same time? Late 2014-2015 Life before swarm host rework. 2012-13 Taeja. 2016 ByuN, by far the best terran in every matchup and probably the best player overall in every matchup too. No one could touch his bullshit. The only guy to master the flying tank, i wonder if other players Terrans would eventually catch up if it wasn't removed, everyone talks about his Reapers because of Blizzcon but i think the flying tank was the core to his sucess. I still can’t believe that was actually a thing in the game haha Here's another tiny bit of Starcraft history: INnovation 67% in map and 72,5% in series is the third highest winrate ever. Serral 68,5-74% (altought with a 50/50 vs kr) is the second highest ever. ByuN has a fucking 71-76% winrate he's 2 and a half point in front of everyone else, if it wasn't for David Kim leaving he would be a 4 time world champ or something.
Try to filter out the online matches and see what happens.
Also, Serral being 50-50 against koreans is true but misleading(his winratio unsurprisingly skyrockets after 2018).
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Canada8989 Posts
On August 02 2019 08:44 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 08:12 Nakajin wrote:On August 02 2019 07:03 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2019 06:54 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 06:43 Nakajin wrote:On August 02 2019 05:55 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2019 05:10 Xain0n wrote:On July 31 2019 21:55 parksonsc wrote:On July 30 2019 02:30 TheAnarchy wrote:
Innovation all the way. Without a doubt.
Maru "domination" was disputed by a foreigner thats the lvl of competion he faced.
In fact you cant say Maru dominated because he only won one tournament where serral played and he lost 3 (serral winning 2 of them). So we must say serral dominated 2019.
You cant compare marus achivement. Innovation played against Life, Taeja, Polt, Bomber, Zest, herO, Rain, etc all in their prime.
Maru is playing against Stats, Dark, TY, classic and rogue (serral who doesnt play in korea). Clearly all those players cant be compare with the first ones.
Couldn't agree more. Guys, take this into account: Inno's peak was in a much more memorable and competitive era, in the Kespa time when we had teams in Korea and all the best players there. When Inno was at peak, best player in the world was Korean without a doubt. Maru? I can see quite a lot people would say Serral was the best player in 2018. Maru's 4 consecutive GSLs was a great feat but i dare to say GSL is not that hard nowadays. I agree with the conclusion, the premises are senseless. Serral being the best player in the world while not being korean implies the era is less memorable and competitive? Winning Code S is as hard as ever but getting to ro32 is a joke if compared to the past so we can say it's easier to win so many times straight(also, before 2012 there was no group nomination and switch privilege iirc). Maru's peak was probably higher than Innovation's, that's true, but Inno "wasted" his true peak by losing to Soulkey. It's also true that Inno won almost exclusively when Terran was strong but he was capable of winning every kind of competition in every year of his career(no Premier tournaments in 2018 but HSC isn't that bad). Maru might become the GOAT, at the moment Inno is superior to him in terms of achievements. In a weird way Maru prospers in periods other Terrans don’t which should give him an edge in this discussion, but on the other hand he does avoid his (relatively) weaker matchup. As an aside I was pondering who would be the most rounded player across all 3 matchups they can play in SC2 history? At the same time? Late 2014-2015 Life before swarm host rework. 2012-13 Taeja. 2016 ByuN, by far the best terran in every matchup and probably the best player overall in every matchup too. No one could touch his bullshit. The only guy to master the flying tank, i wonder if other players Terrans would eventually catch up if it wasn't removed, everyone talks about his Reapers because of Blizzcon but i think the flying tank was the core to his sucess. I still can’t believe that was actually a thing in the game haha Here's another tiny bit of Starcraft history: INnovation 67% in map and 72,5% in series is the third highest winrate ever. Serral 68,5-74% (altought with a 50/50 vs kr) is the second highest ever. ByuN has a fucking 71-76% winrate he's 2 and a half point in front of everyone else, if it wasn't for David Kim leaving he would be a 4 time world champ or something. Try to filter out the online matches and see what happens. Also, Serral being 50-50 against koreans is true but misleading(his winratio unsurprisingly skyrockets after 2018).
Everyone knows Starcraft highest skills era was played between 6am and 8 am us time on the Chinese server while listening to Rifink agrilly picking a fight with his chat about the different flavours of pickles while ZG tried to say something about the 18th 2-1-1 of the day.
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On August 02 2019 08:52 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 08:44 Xain0n wrote:On August 02 2019 08:12 Nakajin wrote:On August 02 2019 07:03 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2019 06:54 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 06:43 Nakajin wrote:On August 02 2019 05:55 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2019 05:10 Xain0n wrote:On July 31 2019 21:55 parksonsc wrote:
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Couldn't agree more. Guys, take this into account: Inno's peak was in a much more memorable and competitive era, in the Kespa time when we had teams in Korea and all the best players there. When Inno was at peak, best player in the world was Korean without a doubt. Maru? I can see quite a lot people would say Serral was the best player in 2018.
Maru's 4 consecutive GSLs was a great feat but i dare to say GSL is not that hard nowadays. I agree with the conclusion, the premises are senseless. Serral being the best player in the world while not being korean implies the era is less memorable and competitive? Winning Code S is as hard as ever but getting to ro32 is a joke if compared to the past so we can say it's easier to win so many times straight(also, before 2012 there was no group nomination and switch privilege iirc). Maru's peak was probably higher than Innovation's, that's true, but Inno "wasted" his true peak by losing to Soulkey. It's also true that Inno won almost exclusively when Terran was strong but he was capable of winning every kind of competition in every year of his career(no Premier tournaments in 2018 but HSC isn't that bad). Maru might become the GOAT, at the moment Inno is superior to him in terms of achievements. In a weird way Maru prospers in periods other Terrans don’t which should give him an edge in this discussion, but on the other hand he does avoid his (relatively) weaker matchup. As an aside I was pondering who would be the most rounded player across all 3 matchups they can play in SC2 history? At the same time? Late 2014-2015 Life before swarm host rework. 2012-13 Taeja. 2016 ByuN, by far the best terran in every matchup and probably the best player overall in every matchup too. No one could touch his bullshit. The only guy to master the flying tank, i wonder if other players Terrans would eventually catch up if it wasn't removed, everyone talks about his Reapers because of Blizzcon but i think the flying tank was the core to his sucess. I still can’t believe that was actually a thing in the game haha Here's another tiny bit of Starcraft history: INnovation 67% in map and 72,5% in series is the third highest winrate ever. Serral 68,5-74% (altought with a 50/50 vs kr) is the second highest ever. ByuN has a fucking 71-76% winrate he's 2 and a half point in front of everyone else, if it wasn't for David Kim leaving he would be a 4 time world champ or something. Try to filter out the online matches and see what happens. Also, Serral being 50-50 against koreans is true but misleading(his winratio unsurprisingly skyrockets after 2018). Everyone knows Starcraft highest skills era was played between 6am and 8 am us time on the Chinese server while listening to Rifink agrilly picking a fight with his chat about the different flavours of pickles while ZG tried to say something about the 18th 2-1-1 of the day.
Your words are too wise for me to disagree.
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Byun went to the army while still holding a 7k MMR KR account, it really feels somewhat wrong for him to be outside of top 8 considering how amazingly high his peak was.
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On August 02 2019 09:38 IshinShishi wrote:
Byun went to the army while still holding a 7k MMR KR account, it really feels somewhat wrong for him to be outside of top 8 considering how amazingly high his peak was.
Yet 7000 mmr didn't help him win anything or reach a grand final or even top 4 of any big tournament since 2017.
Yes he's extremely talented and had a marvelous peak in late 2016 but he still seems like the actual biggest patch Terran in sc2 history. Not to mention his peak also coincided with probably the lowest point of Korean sc2 proscene with the end of Proleague and so many former champions slumping into oblivion.
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On August 02 2019 10:11 yht9657 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 09:38 IshinShishi wrote:
Byun went to the army while still holding a 7k MMR KR account, it really feels somewhat wrong for him to be outside of top 8 considering how amazingly high his peak was. Yet 7000 mmr didn't help him win anything or reach a grand final or even top 4 of any big tournament since 2017. Yes he's extremely talented and had a marvelous peak in late 2016 but he still seems like the actual biggest patch Terran in sc2 history. Not to mention his peak also coincided with probably the lowest point of Korean sc2 proscene with the end of Proleague and so many former champions slumping into oblivion.
Well, maybe Byun is in the list of the top 8 Terran of Sc2's history(not sure of that, actually), but there is no way he can be placed that high in a GOAT contest. On the other hand, Byun reached ro4 in Code S four years before peaking, him being a patch Terran is equally out out of the question.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 02 2019 09:38 IshinShishi wrote:
Byun went to the army while still holding a 7k MMR KR account, it really feels somewhat wrong for him to be outside of top 8 considering how amazingly high his peak was.
So all his last performance at 2018 was just an offday?  I don't want to shit on him, he was very talented, but MMR doesn't tell us much about BO3+. Maybe BO1 tournament would be better suited for ByuN
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On August 02 2019 09:38 IshinShishi wrote:
Byun went to the army while still holding a 7k MMR KR account, it really feels somewhat wrong for him to be outside of top 8 considering how amazingly high his peak was.
Maru
Inno
Mvp
MMA
TaeJa
Polt
TY
I can't think of anyone else I'd put over ByuN
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France12908 Posts
On August 02 2019 08:12 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 07:03 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2019 06:54 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 06:43 Nakajin wrote:On August 02 2019 05:55 Morbidius wrote:On August 02 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2019 05:10 Xain0n wrote:On July 31 2019 21:55 parksonsc wrote:On July 30 2019 02:30 TheAnarchy wrote:
Innovation all the way. Without a doubt.
Maru "domination" was disputed by a foreigner thats the lvl of competion he faced.
In fact you cant say Maru dominated because he only won one tournament where serral played and he lost 3 (serral winning 2 of them). So we must say serral dominated 2019.
You cant compare marus achivement. Innovation played against Life, Taeja, Polt, Bomber, Zest, herO, Rain, etc all in their prime.
Maru is playing against Stats, Dark, TY, classic and rogue (serral who doesnt play in korea). Clearly all those players cant be compare with the first ones.
Couldn't agree more. Guys, take this into account: Inno's peak was in a much more memorable and competitive era, in the Kespa time when we had teams in Korea and all the best players there. When Inno was at peak, best player in the world was Korean without a doubt. Maru? I can see quite a lot people would say Serral was the best player in 2018. Maru's 4 consecutive GSLs was a great feat but i dare to say GSL is not that hard nowadays. I agree with the conclusion, the premises are senseless. Serral being the best player in the world while not being korean implies the era is less memorable and competitive? Winning Code S is as hard as ever but getting to ro32 is a joke if compared to the past so we can say it's easier to win so many times straight(also, before 2012 there was no group nomination and switch privilege iirc). Maru's peak was probably higher than Innovation's, that's true, but Inno "wasted" his true peak by losing to Soulkey. It's also true that Inno won almost exclusively when Terran was strong but he was capable of winning every kind of competition in every year of his career(no Premier tournaments in 2018 but HSC isn't that bad). Maru might become the GOAT, at the moment Inno is superior to him in terms of achievements. In a weird way Maru prospers in periods other Terrans don’t which should give him an edge in this discussion, but on the other hand he does avoid his (relatively) weaker matchup. As an aside I was pondering who would be the most rounded player across all 3 matchups they can play in SC2 history? At the same time? Late 2014-2015 Life before swarm host rework. 2012-13 Taeja. 2016 ByuN, by far the best terran in every matchup and probably the best player overall in every matchup too. No one could touch his bullshit. The only guy to master the flying tank, i wonder if other players Terrans would eventually catch up if it wasn't removed, everyone talks about his Reapers because of Blizzcon but i think the flying tank was the core to his sucess. I still can’t believe that was actually a thing in the game haha Here's another tiny bit of Starcraft history: INnovation 67% in map and 72,5% in series is the third highest winrate ever. Serral 68,5-74% (altought with a 50/50 vs kr) is the second highest ever. ByuN has a fucking 71-76% winrate he's 2 and a half point in front of everyone else, if it wasn't for David Kim leaving he would be a 4 time world champ or something.
ByuN was great, his 2016 run was spectacular. That was a good LotV era, more so than 2017-2018 except for Maru's epic run.
People talk about flying tanks but the different raven eras in TvT are bullshit as well. Disabling tanks lessens the defender advantage by a lot and TvT has become kinda bad as a matchup lately.
As for reapers, I don't see why people shit on ByuN and not on Maru, it's the same as the 2 rax stuff. Seemingly easy but in reality hard to pull off properly.
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On August 02 2019 18:06 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 09:38 IshinShishi wrote:
Byun went to the army while still holding a 7k MMR KR account, it really feels somewhat wrong for him to be outside of top 8 considering how amazingly high his peak was. Maru Inno Mvp MMA TaeJa Polt TY I can't think of anyone else I'd put over ByuN
MKP maybe. Gumiho maybe. But yeah, those are the ones that are definitely ahead if we only look at Terran. Adding in Zerg and Protoss and Byun drops out of the top 8 quite definitively.
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France12908 Posts
On August 02 2019 18:13 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 18:06 Charoisaur wrote:On August 02 2019 09:38 IshinShishi wrote:
Byun went to the army while still holding a 7k MMR KR account, it really feels somewhat wrong for him to be outside of top 8 considering how amazingly high his peak was. Maru Inno Mvp MMA TaeJa Polt TY I can't think of anyone else I'd put over ByuN MKP maybe. Gumiho maybe. But yeah, those are the ones that are definitely ahead if we only look at Terran. Adding in Zerg and Protoss and Byun drops out of the top 8 quite definitively.
Arguable, Taeja / Polt / MMA / TY are not really ahead of him, GSL + BlizzCon is really solid considering the number of terrans that managed to win BlizzCon.
I'd say ByuN should be around top 12-16.
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On August 02 2019 18:21 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 18:13 Acrofales wrote:On August 02 2019 18:06 Charoisaur wrote:On August 02 2019 09:38 IshinShishi wrote:
Byun went to the army while still holding a 7k MMR KR account, it really feels somewhat wrong for him to be outside of top 8 considering how amazingly high his peak was. Maru Inno Mvp MMA TaeJa Polt TY I can't think of anyone else I'd put over ByuN MKP maybe. Gumiho maybe. But yeah, those are the ones that are definitely ahead if we only look at Terran. Adding in Zerg and Protoss and Byun drops out of the top 8 quite definitively. Arguable, Taeja / Polt / MMA / TY are not really ahead of him, GSL + BlizzCon is really solid considering the number of terrans that managed to win BlizzCon. I'd say ByuN should be around top 12-16.
Is Serral top 12-16?
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France12908 Posts
On August 02 2019 19:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 18:21 Poopi wrote:On August 02 2019 18:13 Acrofales wrote:On August 02 2019 18:06 Charoisaur wrote:On August 02 2019 09:38 IshinShishi wrote:
Byun went to the army while still holding a 7k MMR KR account, it really feels somewhat wrong for him to be outside of top 8 considering how amazingly high his peak was. Maru Inno Mvp MMA TaeJa Polt TY I can't think of anyone else I'd put over ByuN MKP maybe. Gumiho maybe. But yeah, those are the ones that are definitely ahead if we only look at Terran. Adding in Zerg and Protoss and Byun drops out of the top 8 quite definitively. Arguable, Taeja / Polt / MMA / TY are not really ahead of him, GSL + BlizzCon is really solid considering the number of terrans that managed to win BlizzCon. I'd say ByuN should be around top 12-16. Is Serral top 12-16?
GSL vs The World != GSL Code S
As for Serral it’s too early to tell
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Inno is GOAT for me, then comes Mvp and then Maru. Just depends on what one is rating highly, so I can see other opinions being valid.
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Canada8989 Posts
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On August 03 2019 03:35 HolydaKing wrote:
Inno is GOAT for me, then comes Mvp and then Maru. Just depends on what one is rating highly, so I can see other opinions being valid.
Yeah, I think these three all have a case for them still, though the discussions throughout this process have kind of tipped me toward thinking Mvp is below Maru and Inno these days. Whoever comes out on top, I actually don't think SC2 has a consensus GOAT, just a few clear contenders with different arguments in favour of each.
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