On July 01 2019 02:14 Charoisaur wrote: [quote] you mean Dark is the only one that can beat Maru/TY lategame. As it should be - only top players can beat other top players. Pretty sure other Zergs can beat Keen's/alive's Heromarine's lategame
So Serral is not even a top player? That's frankly embarassing, "here you lost all of your credibility".
Serral in 2018 was stronger than he is nowadays, but surely he can lose series without necessarily playing bad.
We're talking about TvZ lategame here in which Serral has barely any practice vs top players. This should be self-explanatory but no wonder you get offended immediately.
but Serral is winning this vs TY
Yes, because TY is playing terribly. He is not exactly well renown for being the best late game TvZ, and this game he is even playing with a bad composition. Dark would have crushed him like 10 minutes ago.
What are you smoking super late game is literally what TY is known for. The only other terran that is equal or better to him at it is Maru and maaaaaaaaaaybe innovation
With mass landed vikings and air only? What are you smoking?
Not saying TY chose a good strategy this game but saying TY is not known for his late game is stupid.
I like what Solar said - this is a built that if unscouted is an auto win for terran, and if scouted it's really hard in the lategame. serral had good scouting
Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking?
but Serral didn't win yet, you know why? cuz TY is great at late game (and mid game), get it in your thick skull buddy. If TY was a lesser Terran Serral would've killed him already, what does that tell you about TY's Macro and late game?
Serral has won 20 minutes ago. And if Dark was sitting there in his chair he would have won 20 minutes ago. That is what we are trying to say to your thick skull. Serral is one of the absolute best players in the world, but he lacks practice against good Terrans. And despite usually holding his own its clearly visible that he struggles with Terran lategame, if the Terran is playing it like they should (Inno, TY the previous game)
On July 01 2019 02:30 Charoisaur wrote: [quote] We're talking about TvZ lategame here in which Serral has barely any practice vs top players. This should be self-explanatory but no wonder you get offended immediately.
but Serral is winning this vs TY
Yes, because TY is playing terribly. He is not exactly well renown for being the best late game TvZ, and this game he is even playing with a bad composition. Dark would have crushed him like 10 minutes ago.
What are you smoking super late game is literally what TY is known for. The only other terran that is equal or better to him at it is Maru and maaaaaaaaaaybe innovation
With mass landed vikings and air only? What are you smoking?
Not saying TY chose a good strategy this game but saying TY is not known for his late game is stupid.
I like what Solar said - this is a built that if unscouted is an auto win for terran, and if scouted it's really hard in the lategame. serral had good scouting
Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking?
but Serral didn't win yet, you know why? cuz TY is great at late game (and mid game), get it in your thick skull buddy. If TY was a lesser Terran Serral would've killed him already, what does that tell you about TY's Macro and late game?
Oh FFS, it's just a matter of time, the only way how to lose is to do some move command and die to stupidity.
Get your thick skull tested, not mine, jeez
On July 01 2019 02:51 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:44 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:41 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:37 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:35 AzAlexZ wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:30 Charoisaur wrote: [quote] We're talking about TvZ lategame here in which Serral has barely any practice vs top players. This should be self-explanatory but no wonder you get offended immediately.
but Serral is winning this vs TY
Yes, because TY is playing terribly. He is not exactly well renown for being the best late game TvZ, and this game he is even playing with a bad composition. Dark would have crushed him like 10 minutes ago.
What are you smoking super late game is literally what TY is known for. The only other terran that is equal or better to him at it is Maru and maaaaaaaaaaybe innovation
With mass landed vikings and air only? What are you smoking?
Not saying TY chose a good strategy this game but saying TY is not known for his late game is stupid.
I like what Solar said - this is a built that if unscouted is an auto win for terran, and if scouted it's really hard in the lategame. serral had good scouting
Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking?
You're so obsessed with hating on serral. I never even mentioned serral. You think I did because you love debating about him in every single thread.
I just said that saying TY is not known for late game is really dumb
Jesus fucking christ, multiple times I mentioned he's top 4, he's probably the best zerg but hey, I'm the hater here. Stop being a blind fanboy and read what I write, not what YOU THINK I WRITE...
You and Char and Xainon literally mess up every single thread talking about Serral. Even random threads that have nothing to do with it. Case in point: I didn't mention serral once and you think I did and started the debate.
Let me be more nuanced: you don't hate serral. you are addicted to debating serral fanboys to the extreme.
Every time I point out he MIGHT be the best zerg in all matchups ... they come out of the woodwork.
Sc2 culture is so much worse then the bw scene was. I can't tell if it is age or just part and parcel of the whole internet getting stupider. These forums often barely differ from USEast.
... the public chat on west is actually worse then east. Dark times.
On July 01 2019 02:35 AzAlexZ wrote: [quote] but Serral is winning this vs TY
Yes, because TY is playing terribly. He is not exactly well renown for being the best late game TvZ, and this game he is even playing with a bad composition. Dark would have crushed him like 10 minutes ago.
What are you smoking super late game is literally what TY is known for. The only other terran that is equal or better to him at it is Maru and maaaaaaaaaaybe innovation
With mass landed vikings and air only? What are you smoking?
Not saying TY chose a good strategy this game but saying TY is not known for his late game is stupid.
I like what Solar said - this is a built that if unscouted is an auto win for terran, and if scouted it's really hard in the lategame. serral had good scouting
Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking?
but Serral didn't win yet, you know why? cuz TY is great at late game (and mid game), get it in your thick skull buddy. If TY was a lesser Terran Serral would've killed him already, what does that tell you about TY's Macro and late game?
Oh FFS, it's just a matter of time, the only way how to lose is to do some move command and die to stupidity.
Get your thick skull tested, not mine, jeez
On July 01 2019 02:51 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:44 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:41 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:37 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:35 AzAlexZ wrote: [quote] but Serral is winning this vs TY
Yes, because TY is playing terribly. He is not exactly well renown for being the best late game TvZ, and this game he is even playing with a bad composition. Dark would have crushed him like 10 minutes ago.
What are you smoking super late game is literally what TY is known for. The only other terran that is equal or better to him at it is Maru and maaaaaaaaaaybe innovation
With mass landed vikings and air only? What are you smoking?
Not saying TY chose a good strategy this game but saying TY is not known for his late game is stupid.
I like what Solar said - this is a built that if unscouted is an auto win for terran, and if scouted it's really hard in the lategame. serral had good scouting
Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking?
You're so obsessed with hating on serral. I never even mentioned serral. You think I did because you love debating about him in every single thread.
I just said that saying TY is not known for late game is really dumb
Jesus fucking christ, multiple times I mentioned he's top 4, he's probably the best zerg but hey, I'm the hater here. Stop being a blind fanboy and read what I write, not what YOU THINK I WRITE...
You and Char and Xainon literally mess up every single thread talking about Serral. Even random threads that have nothing to do with it. Case in point: I didn't mention serral once and you think I did and started the debate.
Let me be more nuanced: you don't hate serral. you are addicted to debating serral fanboys to the extreme.
Every time I point out he MIGHT be the best zerg in all matchups ... they come out of the woodwork.
Sc2 culture is so much worse then the bw scene was. I can't tell if it is age or just part and parcel of the whole internet getting stupider. These forums often barely differ from USEast.
... the public chat on west is actually worse then east. Dark times.
Well, not speaking about Serral when Serral is playing a ZvT. I rarely introduce the argument, but I almost always speak when senseless things are said(quite often).
On July 01 2019 02:30 Charoisaur wrote: [quote] We're talking about TvZ lategame here in which Serral has barely any practice vs top players. This should be self-explanatory but no wonder you get offended immediately.
but Serral is winning this vs TY
Yes, because TY is playing terribly. He is not exactly well renown for being the best late game TvZ, and this game he is even playing with a bad composition. Dark would have crushed him like 10 minutes ago.
What are you smoking super late game is literally what TY is known for. The only other terran that is equal or better to him at it is Maru and maaaaaaaaaaybe innovation
With mass landed vikings and air only? What are you smoking?
Not saying TY chose a good strategy this game but saying TY is not known for his late game is stupid.
I like what Solar said - this is a built that if unscouted is an auto win for terran, and if scouted it's really hard in the lategame. serral had good scouting
Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking?
but Serral didn't win yet, you know why? cuz TY is great at late game (and mid game), get it in your thick skull buddy. If TY was a lesser Terran Serral would've killed him already, what does that tell you about TY's Macro and late game?
Oh FFS, it's just a matter of time, the only way how to lose is to do some move command and die to stupidity.
Get your thick skull tested, not mine, jeez
On July 01 2019 02:51 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:44 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:41 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:37 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:35 AzAlexZ wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:30 Charoisaur wrote: [quote] We're talking about TvZ lategame here in which Serral has barely any practice vs top players. This should be self-explanatory but no wonder you get offended immediately.
but Serral is winning this vs TY
Yes, because TY is playing terribly. He is not exactly well renown for being the best late game TvZ, and this game he is even playing with a bad composition. Dark would have crushed him like 10 minutes ago.
What are you smoking super late game is literally what TY is known for. The only other terran that is equal or better to him at it is Maru and maaaaaaaaaaybe innovation
With mass landed vikings and air only? What are you smoking?
Not saying TY chose a good strategy this game but saying TY is not known for his late game is stupid.
I like what Solar said - this is a built that if unscouted is an auto win for terran, and if scouted it's really hard in the lategame. serral had good scouting
Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking?
You're so obsessed with hating on serral. I never even mentioned serral. You think I did because you love debating about him in every single thread.
I just said that saying TY is not known for late game is really dumb
Jesus fucking christ, multiple times I mentioned he's top 4, he's probably the best zerg but hey, I'm the hater here. Stop being a blind fanboy and read what I write, not what YOU THINK I WRITE...
You and Char and Xainon literally mess up every single thread talking about Serral. Even random threads that have nothing to do with it. Case in point: I didn't mention serral once and you think I did and started the debate.
Let me be more nuanced: you don't hate serral. you are addicted to debating serral fanboys to the extreme.
That's noit very nuanced, I'm not talking to Xainon at all, i'm ignoring his posts and I'm not talking about Serral at all. It's his fanboys that do that I'm not doing threads about Serral, I just cannot resists their trolling.
I think it's wonderful that there are still people getting triggered over discussions about sc2 players and arguing about every little detail regarding how they are ranked. People still care about this game.
Yes, because TY is playing terribly. He is not exactly well renown for being the best late game TvZ, and this game he is even playing with a bad composition. Dark would have crushed him like 10 minutes ago.
What are you smoking super late game is literally what TY is known for. The only other terran that is equal or better to him at it is Maru and maaaaaaaaaaybe innovation
With mass landed vikings and air only? What are you smoking?
Not saying TY chose a good strategy this game but saying TY is not known for his late game is stupid.
I like what Solar said - this is a built that if unscouted is an auto win for terran, and if scouted it's really hard in the lategame. serral had good scouting
Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking?
but Serral didn't win yet, you know why? cuz TY is great at late game (and mid game), get it in your thick skull buddy. If TY was a lesser Terran Serral would've killed him already, what does that tell you about TY's Macro and late game?
Oh FFS, it's just a matter of time, the only way how to lose is to do some move command and die to stupidity.
Get your thick skull tested, not mine, jeez
On July 01 2019 02:51 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:44 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:41 Pandain wrote:
On July 01 2019 02:37 MarianoSC2 wrote: [quote]
Yes, because TY is playing terribly. He is not exactly well renown for being the best late game TvZ, and this game he is even playing with a bad composition. Dark would have crushed him like 10 minutes ago.
What are you smoking super late game is literally what TY is known for. The only other terran that is equal or better to him at it is Maru and maaaaaaaaaaybe innovation
With mass landed vikings and air only? What are you smoking?
Not saying TY chose a good strategy this game but saying TY is not known for his late game is stupid.
I like what Solar said - this is a built that if unscouted is an auto win for terran, and if scouted it's really hard in the lategame. serral had good scouting
Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking?
You're so obsessed with hating on serral. I never even mentioned serral. You think I did because you love debating about him in every single thread.
I just said that saying TY is not known for late game is really dumb
Jesus fucking christ, multiple times I mentioned he's top 4, he's probably the best zerg but hey, I'm the hater here. Stop being a blind fanboy and read what I write, not what YOU THINK I WRITE...
You and Char and Xainon literally mess up every single thread talking about Serral. Even random threads that have nothing to do with it. Case in point: I didn't mention serral once and you think I did and started the debate.
Let me be more nuanced: you don't hate serral. you are addicted to debating serral fanboys to the extreme.
Every time I point out he MIGHT be the best zerg in all matchups ... they come out of the woodwork.
Sc2 culture is so much worse then the bw scene was. I can't tell if it is age or just part and parcel of the whole internet getting stupider. These forums often barely differ from USEast.
... the public chat on west is actually worse then east. Dark times.
Well, not speaking about Serral when Serral is playing a ZvT. I rarely introduce the argument, but I almost always speak when senseless things are said(quite often).
I think the debate about best zerg is valid. I think many members on this forum have great perspective in both directions.
Obviously, I am not talking about people who have valid commentary, having veteran sc2 players/members disagree with me is great, obviously they have valid reasons for disagreeing with me. I am totally fine with being wrong and learning why.
It is the bandwagon of rage that shows up whenever he is mentioned.
Is korean-0-phile a thing? Korean-centric? Dick riders? Not sure, but their is an anti-fan element that I lack good language to describe.
On July 01 2019 03:00 Amarillo Caballero wrote: Guys it's much too early to discredit Serral's win, he has to actually win before you can discredit it.
You do realize that both Koreans on the casting couch already sad that if Serral scouts it he should win as this is a weak army and playing strategy? It's not just us here, it's them there too! Haters everywhere
EPT
I'm not doing threads about Serral, I just cannot resists their trolling.
