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On June 12 2019 02:38 kubaPS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 02:23 digmouse wrote:
Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it. Let's hope they get a second chance and prove better next time.
"..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag.
About BTTV. SCBOY broadcasted their channel without authorization. Some audience told BTTV about this. BTTV put "Hello, Thief" in Mandarin in the middle of their channel. After this, SCBOY never broadcast BTTV any longer, and never invite or allow BTTV broadcast their tournaments either. I can't say nothing wrong with SCBOY, but obviously, SCBOY have a different understanding of broadcast rights and how to hold tournaments.
Back to the emotional reply, the guy mentioned BBTV then ".....I don't want to open". In fact, he did open it. In East Asian Continent live/cast community, it is called “let caster/audience sidetracked”, which generally is malicious.
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On June 12 2019 12:34 BluestSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 02:38 kubaPS wrote:On June 12 2019 02:23 digmouse wrote:
Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it. Let's hope they get a second chance and prove better next time. "..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag. About BTTV. SCBOY broadcasted their channel without authorization. Some audience told BTTV about this. BTTV put "Hello, Thief" in Mandarin in the middle of their channel. After this, SCBOY never broadcast BTTV any longer, and never invite or allow BTTV broadcast their tournaments either. I can't say nothing wrong with SCBOY, but obviously, SCBOY have a different understanding of broadcast rights and how to hold tournaments. Back to the emotional reply, the guy mentioned BBTV then ".....I don't want to open". In fact, he did open it. In East Asian Continent live/cast community, it is called “let caster/audience sidetracked”, which generally is malicious.
In short, it was piracy.
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On June 12 2019 13:48 RealityTheGreat wrote:
In short, it was piracy.
Yes, SCBOY had been pirate for many years. So the original English casters' voice was kept when they broadcasted.
Now, even SCBOY get broadcast right, audience still want to keep the original English casters' voice. They call it "do not forget the initial heart".
Another weird meme.
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On June 12 2019 12:34 BluestSEA wrote:
"..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag..
So what you're saying is the Chinese community has their own version of Emil
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On June 12 2019 13:48 RealityTheGreat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 12:34 BluestSEA wrote:On June 12 2019 02:38 kubaPS wrote:On June 12 2019 02:23 digmouse wrote:
Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it. Let's hope they get a second chance and prove better next time. "..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag. About BTTV. SCBOY broadcasted their channel without authorization. Some audience told BTTV about this. BTTV put "Hello, Thief" in Mandarin in the middle of their channel. After this, SCBOY never broadcast BTTV any longer, and never invite or allow BTTV broadcast their tournaments either. I can't say nothing wrong with SCBOY, but obviously, SCBOY have a different understanding of broadcast rights and how to hold tournaments. Back to the emotional reply, the guy mentioned BBTV then ".....I don't want to open". In fact, he did open it. In East Asian Continent live/cast community, it is called “let caster/audience sidetracked”, which generally is malicious. In short, it was piracy.
It is not really so.
Because China has that stupid great firewall, it could be laggy and interrupt the players if you have an OB from China. SCBOY prefer re-streaming others instead of being a OB in the game.
In BTTV's story, that was an Olimo iirc, SCBOY and Crank has a deal with exchanging rights to stream on each others tournament. It is not really piracy in the tournament.
but as BTTV consider OB camera work is a part of their property, so Rifkin call them thieves. SCBOY did apologized afterwards but the beef is still there.
The shit just goes on since then, so SCBOY stopped casting BTTV's tournaments and banned BTTV from theirs.
In fact, the Master's coliseum tournament was made because SCBOY want to fill the time on Thursday after this happened.
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On June 12 2019 16:53 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 13:48 RealityTheGreat wrote:On June 12 2019 12:34 BluestSEA wrote:On June 12 2019 02:38 kubaPS wrote:On June 12 2019 02:23 digmouse wrote:
Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it. Let's hope they get a second chance and prove better next time. "..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag. About BTTV. SCBOY broadcasted their channel without authorization. Some audience told BTTV about this. BTTV put "Hello, Thief" in Mandarin in the middle of their channel. After this, SCBOY never broadcast BTTV any longer, and never invite or allow BTTV broadcast their tournaments either. I can't say nothing wrong with SCBOY, but obviously, SCBOY have a different understanding of broadcast rights and how to hold tournaments. Back to the emotional reply, the guy mentioned BBTV then ".....I don't want to open". In fact, he did open it. In East Asian Continent live/cast community, it is called “let caster/audience sidetracked”, which generally is malicious. In short, it was piracy. It is not really so. Because China has that stupid great firewall, it could be laggy and interrupt the players if you have an OB from China. SCBOY prefer re-streaming others instead of being a OB in the game. In BTTV's story, that was an Olimo iirc, SCBOY and Crank has a deal with exchanging rights to stream on each others tournament. It is not really piracy in the tournament. but as BTTV consider OB camera work is a part of their property, so they call them thieves. The shit just goes on, so SCBOY stopped casting BTTV's tournaments and banned BTTV from theirs.
So they re-streamed BTTV without their permission (they only had that deal with Crank). That's piracy.
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On June 12 2019 16:53 CxWiLL wrote:
In BTTV's story, that was an Olimo iirc, SCBOY and Crank has a deal with exchanging rights to stream on each others tournament. It is not really piracy in the tournament.
but as BTTV consider OB camera work is a part of their property, so Rifkin call them thieves. SCBOY did apologized afterwards but the beef is still there.
It does not make any sense at all.
The deal between Crank and SCBOY, is effective between them both and only them.
Without notifying, real time re-streaming BaseTrade TV, is pirating.
It occurred before, and it will continue occurring because the WALL is there. That's the fact.
The only difference is, by learning from that experience, they shall re-streaming from few channels.
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SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
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On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote:
SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
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On June 12 2019 19:35 Elmonti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote:
SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore. SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
It is a cultural deference indeed. There is an excellent page on Wikipedia that explains this Chinese mindset really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi
Doesn't matter now, they apologized, and apology was accepted. They probably won't work together again. End of story.
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On June 12 2019 16:35 [16thSq] Kuro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 12:34 BluestSEA wrote:
"..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag.. So what you're saying is the Chinese community has their own version of Emil
Sorry, I do not understand "Emil" you mentioned
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On June 12 2019 19:35 Elmonti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote:
SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore. SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing.
Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
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On June 12 2019 20:33 osliang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 19:35 Elmonti wrote:On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote:
SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore. SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there. It is a cultural deference indeed. There is an excellent page on Wikipedia that explains this Chinese mindset really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GuanxiDoesn't matter now, they apologized, and apology was accepted. They probably won't work together again. End of story.
Guanxi has absolutely nothing to do with stealing other people's products, broadcast in this case, or copying them...
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On June 12 2019 22:30 Elmonti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 20:33 osliang wrote:On June 12 2019 19:35 Elmonti wrote:On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote:
SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore. SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there. It is a cultural deference indeed. There is an excellent page on Wikipedia that explains this Chinese mindset really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GuanxiDoesn't matter now, they apologized, and apology was accepted. They probably won't work together again. End of story. Guanxi has absolutely nothing to do with stealing other people's products, broadcast in this case, or copying them...
I was just trying to get you to see things from different perspective. But like I said, they learnt their lesson and apologized, and apology was accepted. End of story.
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On June 12 2019 22:36 osliang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 22:30 Elmonti wrote:On June 12 2019 20:33 osliang wrote:On June 12 2019 19:35 Elmonti wrote:On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote:
SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore. SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there. It is a cultural deference indeed. There is an excellent page on Wikipedia that explains this Chinese mindset really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GuanxiDoesn't matter now, they apologized, and apology was accepted. They probably won't work together again. End of story. Guanxi has absolutely nothing to do with stealing other people's products, broadcast in this case, or copying them... I was just trying to get you to see things from different perspective. But like I said, they learnt their lesson and apologized, and apology was accepted. End of story.
Regardless of how the "story" ended: It's not a different perspective. It's the wrong one. Just wanted to point this out. Now you can end the story.
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China6331 Posts
On June 12 2019 22:30 BluestSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 19:35 Elmonti wrote:On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote:
SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore. SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there. Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing. Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
I did not state it was BTTV's fault. In fact I think their reaction was justified and it was not cool for SCboy to simply assume everyone is OK with their restreaming (although the vast majority of Starcraft streamers were OK with it), it was what happened AFTER that is not appropriate (not going to elaborate and escalate this further, those who saw it know what I'm talking about). I got them together for a talk and SCboy wholeheartedly apologized and both parties agreed to move on, it really should be forgotten as an unfortunate incident and subsequently SCboy has mandated that all their broadcast and content will be fully permitted by the right holders.
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South Korea2107 Posts
allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
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China6331 Posts
On June 12 2019 23:54 Ziggy wrote:
allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
Season 2 is already in, and both seasons are sponsored by one of their co-investors which is wealthy enough to own a multi story shopping mall so it's like chop change for him lol. Plus they have other sponsors like one of the biggest food delivery services in China and a top tier appliances maker.
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On June 13 2019 00:21 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 23:54 Ziggy wrote:
allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ? Season 2 is already in, and both seasons are sponsored by one of their co-investors which is wealthy enough to own a multi story shopping mall so it's like chop change for him lol. Plus they have other sponsors like one of the biggest food delivery services in China and a top tier appliances maker.
Thank you so much for delivering all the informations about this event to the foreign scene!
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On June 12 2019 23:50 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 22:30 BluestSEA wrote:
Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing.
Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
I did not state it was BTTV's fault. In fact I think their reaction was justified and it was not cool for SCboy to simply assume everyone is OK with their restreaming (although the vast majority of Starcraft streamers were OK with it), it was what happened AFTER that is not appropriate (not going to elaborate and escalate this further, those who saw it know what I'm talking about). I got them together for a talk and SCboy wholeheartedly apologized and both parties agreed to move on, it really should be forgotten as an unfortunate incident and subsequently SCboy has mandated that all their broadcast and content will be fully permitted by the right holders.
With respect, I can't understand why you mentioned emotionally this old story? No any benefit to SCboy.
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