Regular season matches are played in 3 best of two sets, determined by total map score, then by an ace match if needed. 3 points for a non-ace win, 2 for ace win.
Round robin format.
A Chinese player (including players from Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau) must be included in each match's lineup.
Very cool, Jin Air starting a fairly weak lineup if Zest and Special show up I could see them losing. Time might have the best chance for a Chinese player as his TvT is pretty solid, rooting for Newbee in general, Scarlett should handle ragnorok so I expect them to win.
I hope this league improves the Chinese players overall through practice partners and such, China could be such an amazing pool of good players and support for the scene in the future.
On April 15 2019 22:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Who is Sakura and how did they 2-0 Dear?
Sakura spent 2 days only preparing for Dear, watched every PvP VOD of Dear's from 2019 to design two builds to hard counter his openings. Hard work pays off
Wanna watch something with my food, but nothing good is on. Oh, there's some sc2 tourney, lets tune in and see. 180 supply terran getting destroyed by 120 supply toss with 8 storms. Close stream. Yep, this is why I don't play or watch this game anymore.
On April 15 2019 23:29 ihatevideogames wrote: 180 supply terran getting destroyed by 120 supply toss with 8 storms. Close stream. Yep, this is why I don't play or watch this game anymore.
too bad the army supply doesnt decide fights but army control right? lol
On April 15 2019 23:29 ihatevideogames wrote: Wanna watch something with my food, but nothing good is on. Oh, there's some sc2 tourney, lets tune in and see. 180 supply terran getting destroyed by 120 supply toss with 8 storms. Close stream. Yep, this is why I don't play or watch this game anymore.
Let's ignore the fact that he had the upper hand but failed to hit any important EMPs and blame bAlaNcE!
On April 16 2019 23:05 PengWin_SC wrote: Kinda surprised Jin Air sent sent out Creator/Trap today. Ocean Gaming is a very dangerous team, I'd have expected them to field a stronger lineup.
I had been wondering if Jin Air would consistently prioritize player lineup diversity and sending whoever wants to play rather than the strongest lineup. They have mostly done that for team events outside of actual Proleague I think (though there are enough differences between this and something like the BJ Destruction team league to make it hard to draw conclusions).
On April 16 2019 23:05 PengWin_SC wrote: Kinda surprised Jin Air sent sent out Creator/Trap today. Ocean Gaming is a very dangerous team, I'd have expected them to field a stronger lineup.
The A-team has better things to do unless the playoffs are under threat
I don't think there's anything wrong with the line-up honestly. They don't have a choice with Rex obviously, but Creator isn't in bad shape and Trap certainly isn't either. If it ended up with Rex vs Zest and Trap vs SpeCial I'm sure Jin Air would have at least reached the ace.
On April 16 2019 23:05 PengWin_SC wrote: Kinda surprised Jin Air sent sent out Creator/Trap today. Ocean Gaming is a very dangerous team, I'd have expected them to field a stronger lineup.
The A-team has better things to do unless the playoffs are under threat
I don't think there's anything wrong with the line-up honestly. They don't have a choice with Rex obviously, but Creator isn't in bad shape and Trap certainly isn't either. If it ended up with Rex vs Zest and Trap vs SpeCial I'm sure Jin Air would have at least reached the ace.
That's true, with Super Tournament right around the corner it does make sense to field the guys who aren't playing in that
On April 16 2019 23:05 PengWin_SC wrote: Kinda surprised Jin Air sent sent out Creator/Trap today. Ocean Gaming is a very dangerous team, I'd have expected them to field a stronger lineup.
According to Xiaose's words, Ocean Gaming will create an offline teamhouse and Special is ready to go there. In fact, I only have a request - Because Chinese Silky is still too weak, in my opinion, Ocean Gaming should invite the other Chinese player. Since TooDming, BreakingGG, Cyan, Jieshi and so on are "old", I recommend him, Misaki. He has played many matches even in Server AM. Team ScBoys (former X-Team) is a training camp now in fact.
Ocean Gaming vs TS Gaming Special vs herO Silky vs Cloudy Zest vs Solar
Invictus vs PSISTORM iAsonu vs GuMiho Coffee vs Sakura Jim vs TRUE
Newbee vs Player 1 TIME vs Parting Scarlett vs Firefly Dear vs Fantasy
Team LP vs Jin Air Patience vs Maru Wanted vs Rogue Impact vs Rex
Now we understand why Maru and Rogue both lost early in Super Tournament! They needed more time to prepare for Team LP!! Jokes aside, Jin Air is taking this seriously unlike someone suggested.
On April 22 2019 22:48 FBTsingLoong wrote: Well I'd like to inform that there will be a CN team tournament tomorrow,but not CTC,it's NEXT. The teams are just the 8 teams in CTC.
I don't quite understand? No JAGW vs Team LP and Newbee vs Player 1 tomorrow but something else with the same teams? O.o
On April 22 2019 22:48 FBTsingLoong wrote: Well I'd like to inform that there will be a CN team tournament tomorrow,but not CTC,it's NEXT. The teams are just the 8 teams in CTC.
I don't quite understand? No JAGW vs Team LP and Newbee vs Player 1 tomorrow but something else with the same teams? O.o
Yeah I don't have any information on this so not really sure what he's referring to
On April 22 2019 22:48 FBTsingLoong wrote: Well I'd like to inform that there will be a CN team tournament tomorrow,but not CTC,it's NEXT. The teams are just the 8 teams in CTC.
I don't quite understand? No JAGW vs Team LP and Newbee vs Player 1 tomorrow but something else with the same teams? O.o
Ooops,I made a mistake,sorry. I thought today was Tuesday.The NEXT will go on Wednesday.
On April 22 2019 22:48 FBTsingLoong wrote: Well I'd like to inform that there will be a CN team tournament tomorrow,but not CTC,it's NEXT. The teams are just the 8 teams in CTC.
I don't quite understand? No JAGW vs Team LP and Newbee vs Player 1 tomorrow but something else with the same teams? O.o
Ooops,I made a mistake.I thought today was Tuesday.The NEXT will go on Wednesday.
On April 22 2019 22:48 FBTsingLoong wrote: Well I'd like to inform that there will be a CN team tournament tomorrow,but not CTC,it's NEXT. The teams are just the 8 teams in CTC.
I don't quite understand? No JAGW vs Team LP and Newbee vs Player 1 tomorrow but something else with the same teams? O.o
Ooops,I made a mistake.I thought today was Tuesday.The NEXT will go on Wednesday.
On April 22 2019 22:48 FBTsingLoong wrote: Well I'd like to inform that there will be a CN team tournament tomorrow,but not CTC,it's NEXT. The teams are just the 8 teams in CTC.
I don't quite understand? No JAGW vs Team LP and Newbee vs Player 1 tomorrow but something else with the same teams? O.o
Ooops,I made a mistake.I thought today was Tuesday.The NEXT will go on Wednesday.
On April 22 2019 22:48 FBTsingLoong wrote: Well I'd like to inform that there will be a CN team tournament tomorrow,but not CTC,it's NEXT. The teams are just the 8 teams in CTC.
I don't quite understand? No JAGW vs Team LP and Newbee vs Player 1 tomorrow but something else with the same teams? O.o
Ooops,I made a mistake.I thought today was Tuesday.The NEXT will go on Wednesday.
On April 23 2019 20:39 Need wrote: Premier tournament that no one is watching?
Tournament that is not that well known going on at a time where the majority of western viewership won't be able to watch very easily (EU is at work, large parts of NA are in bed or maybe getting read for work).
On April 23 2019 20:39 Need wrote: Premier tournament that no one is watching?
Tournament that is not that well known going on at a time where the majority of western viewership won't be able to watch very easily (EU is at work, large parts of NA are in bed or maybe getting read for work).
Meh we've had Code S groups at about the same time with much more hype. Guess people don't care about this tournament or people don't wanna listen to Wardi arguing with Twitch chat
So to recap game 1 between Dear and Fantasy: Dear doesn't have a great early game, Fantasy reaches 3 bases safely, Dear takes a long time to scout that it's mech, Dear still brute forces his way through in a way that should make Stats and Classic feel bad for losing games to mech this weekend.
On April 23 2019 21:39 kubaPS wrote: Chinese stream had over 700k viewers yesterday, it is a little bit more then nothing I guess.
Huh? Considering there are barely 100k accounts on the CN server, I'd be very surprised if at least a meaningful fraction of this number was not made up of bots
On April 23 2019 21:38 Elentos wrote: So to recap game 1 between Dear and Fantasy: Dear doesn't have a great early game, Fantasy reaches 3 bases safely, Dear takes a long time to scout that it's mech, Dear still brute forces his way through in a way that should make Stats and Classic feel bad for losing games to mech this weekend.
On April 23 2019 21:39 kubaPS wrote: Chinese stream had over 700k viewers yesterday, it is a little bit more then nothing I guess.
LOL,700k is not the number of viewers,it's called "heat",which depends on the number of viewers and gifts.Only the streamer knows the real number of viewers.
On April 23 2019 21:39 kubaPS wrote: Chinese stream had over 700k viewers yesterday, it is a little bit more then nothing I guess.
LOL,700k is not the number of viewers,it's called "heat",which depends on the number of viewers and gifts.Only the streamer knows the real number of viewers.
On April 23 2019 20:39 Need wrote: Premier tournament that no one is watching?
Tournament that is not that well known going on at a time where the majority of western viewership won't be able to watch very easily (EU is at work, large parts of NA are in bed or maybe getting read for work).
Meh we've had Code S groups at about the same time with much more hype. Guess people don't care about this tournament or people don't wanna listen to Wardi arguing with Twitch chat
Yeah must be people hate me and all I do is argue with Twitch chat, that's how I've been a succesful streamer for multiple years now.
GSL has been running for years, it's the tournament people take time out to watch. This is a new event that people are just starting to learn about, of course it's not going to have similar viewership to GSL.
I don't know how you can be so stupid and still manage to enjoy the complexities of StarCraft. Keep whining.
On April 23 2019 20:39 Need wrote: Premier tournament that no one is watching?
Tournament that is not that well known going on at a time where the majority of western viewership won't be able to watch very easily (EU is at work, large parts of NA are in bed or maybe getting read for work).
Meh we've had Code S groups at about the same time with much more hype. Guess people don't care about this tournament or people don't wanna listen to Wardi arguing with Twitch chat
Yeah must be people hate me and all I do is argue with Twitch chat, that's how I've been a succesful streamer for multiple years now.
GSL has been running for years, it's the tournament people take time out to watch. This is a new event that people are just starting to learn about, of course it's not going to have similar viewership to GSL.
I don't know how you can be so stupid and still manage to enjoy the complexities of StarCraft. Keep whining.
It's hilarious how the irony of this post escapes you
On April 23 2019 20:39 Need wrote: Premier tournament that no one is watching?
Tournament that is not that well known going on at a time where the majority of western viewership won't be able to watch very easily (EU is at work, large parts of NA are in bed or maybe getting read for work).
Meh we've had Code S groups at about the same time with much more hype. Guess people don't care about this tournament or people don't wanna listen to Wardi arguing with Twitch chat
Yeah must be people hate me and all I do is argue with Twitch chat, that's how I've been a succesful streamer for multiple years now.
GSL has been running for years, it's the tournament people take time out to watch. This is a new event that people are just starting to learn about, of course it's not going to have similar viewership to GSL.
I don't know how you can be so stupid and still manage to enjoy the complexities of StarCraft. Keep whining.
It's hilarious how the irony of this post escapes you
Yeah I get it, I'm arguing with you and you're calling me out for arguing with people, reeee.
I should just sit back and let you talk nonsense and just smile and be like This is fine! I'll just let this guy shit talk me and not stand up for myself! Yay!
You have no argument, you're defending yourself from being a dick by saying I'm not allowed to defend myself :')
Rogue what the hell? :/ The slump is real. Maru crushing it yet again but honestly these were lesser players. Fun games though, especially game 1 against patience with that battle mech style again and also good game vs Impact, a fun classic mech stomp.
On April 23 2019 21:39 kubaPS wrote: Chinese stream had over 700k viewers yesterday, it is a little bit more then nothing I guess.
LOL,700k is not the number of viewers,it's called "heat",which depends on the number of viewers and gifts.Only the streamer knows the real number of viewers.
On April 23 2019 21:39 kubaPS wrote: Chinese stream had over 700k viewers yesterday, it is a little bit more then nothing I guess.
LOL,700k is not the number of viewers,it's called "heat",which depends on the number of viewers and gifts.Only the streamer knows the real number of viewers.
Ok, but are the numbers good or not for SCBoy?
All I can say is the real number is mindblowingly good.
On April 23 2019 21:39 kubaPS wrote: Chinese stream had over 700k viewers yesterday, it is a little bit more then nothing I guess.
LOL,700k is not the number of viewers,it's called "heat",which depends on the number of viewers and gifts.Only the streamer knows the real number of viewers.
Ok, but are the numbers good or not for SCBoy?
One thing that can be confirmed is that the peak number of viewers could reach to 100k, when TIME advanced to RO.4 in Montreal WCS.
On April 23 2019 21:39 kubaPS wrote: Chinese stream had over 700k viewers yesterday, it is a little bit more then nothing I guess.
LOL,700k is not the number of viewers,it's called "heat",which depends on the number of viewers and gifts.Only the streamer knows the real number of viewers.
Ok, but are the numbers good or not for SCBoy?
All I can say is the real number is mindblowingly good.
That's really nice to hear. It would be really cool if this is not a one season thing. It's tough to get more viewers considering the time slot so asia viewers are really a must have. GSL has more viewers, sure, but that's probably because it's an long standing tournament and the viewers here do not want to miss the games and try to watch them live if possible.
On April 23 2019 21:39 kubaPS wrote: Chinese stream had over 700k viewers yesterday, it is a little bit more then nothing I guess.
LOL,700k is not the number of viewers,it's called "heat",which depends on the number of viewers and gifts.Only the streamer knows the real number of viewers.
Ok, but are the numbers good or not for SCBoy?
One thing that can be confirmed is that the peak number of viewers could reach to 100k, when TIME advanced to RO.4 in Montreal WCS.
TIME vs ZeroMarine started at midnight, the heat is often 20 to 50 times of real viewers.
On April 23 2019 21:39 kubaPS wrote: Chinese stream had over 700k viewers yesterday, it is a little bit more then nothing I guess.
LOL,700k is not the number of viewers,it's called "heat",which depends on the number of viewers and gifts.Only the streamer knows the real number of viewers.
Ok, but are the numbers good or not for SCBoy?
One thing that can be confirmed is that the peak number of viewers could reach to 100k, when TIME advanced to RO.4 in Montreal WCS.
TIME vs ZeroMarine started at midnight, the heat is often 20 to 50 times of real viewers.
Well，I knew it from HunteR，I think this number was true
The same way you can get vods from other languages, for example for German you can check TakeTV's channel.
The issue is that accessing a gaming streaming platform at work is more dangerous than being at YouTube which is accessed by almost everyone who is listening to music and is not using different services(i-net radios, Spotify, CD, MP3 or w/e )
On April 24 2019 23:28 kubaPS wrote: Newbee vs. PSISTORM is also on Wardi's Youtube Channel. Don't know about the other matches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNYEu7TZJJw
Ha! It will be probably added later, no worries, I have the time. Thanks for pointing my blindness out, I genuinely didn't see this video there when I asked about the YT channel. (and it was there for sure )
On April 24 2019 23:28 kubaPS wrote: Newbee vs. PSISTORM is also on Wardi's Youtube Channel. Don't know about the other matches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNYEu7TZJJw
Ha! It will be probably added later, no worries, I have the time. Thanks for pointing my blindness out, I genuinely didn't see this video there when I asked about the YT channel. (and it was there for sure )
Hey, missed a couple uploads because of personal reasons last week. My plan is to upload 1-2 of the series a week to YouTube (picking the best ones), there might be an exception if all the matches are really good etc, but in general we only upload once a day now because it works a lot better in terms of growing the YT channel than just posting everything
On April 24 2019 23:28 kubaPS wrote: Newbee vs. PSISTORM is also on Wardi's Youtube Channel. Don't know about the other matches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNYEu7TZJJw
Ha! It will be probably added later, no worries, I have the time. Thanks for pointing my blindness out, I genuinely didn't see this video there when I asked about the YT channel. (and it was there for sure )
Hey, missed a couple uploads because of personal reasons last week. My plan is to upload 1-2 of the series a week to YouTube (picking the best ones), there might be an exception if all the matches are really good etc, but in general we only upload once a day now because it works a lot better in terms of growing the YT channel than just posting everything
Thanks for the info! No need to rush, I can watch it later, it won't go away
Jinair vs TSG: sOs - Cloudy Rex - Solar Trap - herO
iG vs P1: Jim - FanTaSy MacSed - Firefly iAsonu - PartinG
Ocean vs Newbee: SpeCial - Dear Silky - Scarlett Zest - TIME
PS: According to Xiaose's words on Day 2 of NEXT 2019 Spring, PartinG and Scarlett will have eye surgery in May (next month). I doubt whether P1 and Newbee will join new players.
Patience used ID “ZestJunior” because Bomber used ID "Patience"... Bomber played Overwatch and "Patience" is locked. -- the rumor from LP's manager, god830 ...
Man I miss the golden days of team leagues, so far this has been a blast, cool to see some of the Chinese players step up, AI and TIME both making really strong contributions.
On May 04 2019 20:54 MajiN1 wrote: Chinese players doing actually pretty well against Koreans. It's impressive. Hope they'll being good as well for wcs.
It is mostly due to the format. for a best of 2, even if i have only 30% chance winrate against my opponent, there is still a 51% chance getting a 1-1. More importantly the loser can pick the map in game 2, which also help closing the gap.
On May 05 2019 21:31 Nakajin wrote: sOs looking amazing in his first pvp map vs Dear
sOs is always good in PvP and Dear never so... big shock
Still a great game, every step flew gracefully one after the other, reminded me of the sOs of old. And now he's super dead lol
That was pretty magnificent oracle control from Dear. I also have no clue what business sOs had not making a phoenix. His first oracle started when Dear's entered his main basically.
On May 05 2019 22:14 Elentos wrote: Strategically Jim is alright and his macro is okay-ish, but his lack of vision and his execution are letting him down.
The latest premier tournament who Jim participated in was WESG 2016. It was 2 years and 4 months ago. World Electronic Sports Games 2016
On May 05 2019 22:14 Elentos wrote: Strategically Jim is alright and his macro is okay-ish, but his lack of vision and his execution are letting him down.
I'm well aware Jim is pretty retired. Still his first game against Special was way more competitive than I expected and really mostly lost because of his shoddy execution.
On May 04 2019 20:54 MajiN1 wrote: Chinese players doing actually pretty well against Koreans. It's impressive. Hope they'll being good as well for wcs.
It is mostly due to the format. for a Best of 2, even if i have only 30% Chance winrate against my opponent, there is still a 51% Chance getting a 1-1. More importantly the loser can pick the map in game 2, Which also heLp closing the gap.
the possibility of 1-1 is more than 51% cause the loser in the first map can choose the next map, obviously it is favorable for him/she to get 1 Point back. however, many chinese still player played Innovative and pretty good such as iAsonu ,time,sakura, wanted,jim,firefly, cloudy.......
Jin Air players seem to have a little bit trouble with the actual meta. They have also bad results in GSL this season. But for the league it's obviously nice, because it's more exciting when every team has the chance to get in the playoffs. IG also doing surprisingly good!
Wonder what kind of special info people got on the match, is it prerecorded?
Edit: Someone lost A LOT of money just now LUL
Edit2: Lost the wrong game, Rogue! :D
Betting lines being that far off from one game to the next, especially for what should be an easy match for a player like Rogue looks really suspicious.
They also missed the NEXT event, I would assume for the same reason. I hope there is no other issues with the team. How long does it take to get a visa to visit china for esport?
On June 07 2019 02:26 kubaPS wrote: How long does it take to get a visa to visit china for esport?
It should only take a few days. According to the organizer (SCBOY), JAGW was late applying for the VISA and realized they are not going to get it in time for the game which is in 4 days time!
Team LP is taking JAGW's place, and their players got their VISA all sorted out the month before. They didn't even know if they were going to make it to playoffs. Why couldn't JAGW do the same? Such sloppy management.
It's a shame we don't get to see Maru playing, given it's going to be KOF format! Oh well, at least NewBee now has more chance crowning again after NEXT
Disappointed by Jinair, very unprofessional for an established team like them. Btw is there gonna be official English stream for the playoffs or do we all need to stick with douyu?
On June 07 2019 07:24 yht9657 wrote: Disappointed by Jinair, very unprofessional for an established team like them. Btw is there gonna be official English stream for the playoffs or do we all need to stick with douyu?
Wardi has been streaming the online matches, hopefully he will cover the playoffs too? But it kicks off Monday 9am GMT, which might be a bit inconvenient for the European audience LOL :D
On June 07 2019 07:24 yht9657 wrote: Disappointed by Jinair, very unprofessional for an established team like them. Btw is there gonna be official English stream for the playoffs or do we all need to stick with douyu?
Wardi has been streaming the online matches, hopefully he will cover the playoffs too? But it kicks off Monday 9am GMT, which might be a bit inconvenient for the European audience LOL :D
Well I don't assume Wardi will be going to China as an offline observer so how is he supposed to observe the offline matches? Will there be a seperate stream allocated for him or is he gonna have to stick with douyu as well...?
On June 07 2019 08:11 yht9657 wrote: Well I don't assume Wardi will be going to China as an offline observer so how is he supposed to observe the offline matches? Will there be a seperate stream allocated for him or is he gonna have to stick with douyu as well...?
Not sure how it works really... but I guess he can just re-stream SCBOY's channel on Douyu if he's allowed to? Hopefully they will work something out.
On June 07 2019 07:24 yht9657 wrote: Disappointed by Jinair, very unprofessional for an established team like them. Btw is there gonna be official English stream for the playoffs or do we all need to stick with douyu?
Wardi has been streaming the online matches, hopefully he will cover the playoffs too? But it kicks off Monday 9am GMT, which might be a bit inconvenient for the European audience LOL :D
Well I don't assume Wardi will be going to China as an offline observer so how is he supposed to observe the offline matches? Will there be a seperate stream allocated for him or is he gonna have to stick with douyu as well...?
I think he has to watch Douyu,just like Crank streaming NEXT.
On June 07 2019 10:07 WardiTV wrote: As far as I know, there is potentially a clean feed provided so it isn't just a re-stream, but still waiting on confirmation.
That would be great! Looking forward to good news.
Btw, according to scboy, a new team would join next season which includes Hurricane, Leelock and Jieshi. The team's name is still unknown and waiting for official announcement.
On June 10 2019 18:27 pzlama333 wrote: Btw, according to scboy, a new team would join next season which includes Hurricane, Leelock and Jieshi. The team's name is still unknown and waiting for official announcement.
On June 06 2019 17:14 FBTsingLoong wrote: Well,Jinair can't come to China because they didn't apply for visa,so LP will come instead.
Very embarassing and unprofessional. Don't know what to say.
Yes, I don't believe thats the actual reason, they're too professional for that. They probably didn't wanna go or there is another reason.
Now Starcraft 2 has been a dead game in South Korea. The existence of JAGW is to be questioned. It is considered by some Chinese fans that it is gonna dismissed soon. Considering the financial crisis and capital flowing out of Blizzard Entertainment, it now seems acceptable and reasonable if JAGW is really dismissed. This may bring more high-level Korean players to Chinese teams.
No doubt, Xiaose and F91 have done much more than a caster should do. They have significantly improved the environment of CNSC.
On June 10 2019 19:22 WardiTV wrote: So nobody told me the start time and I just assumed it started at a similar time to the rest of the tournament, not 3.5 hours earlier... going live~
Don't think Naruto knew until yesterday WCS either, he checked during the WCS NA tournament and was shocked.
On June 10 2019 19:22 WardiTV wrote: So nobody told me the start time and I just assumed it started at a similar time to the rest of the tournament, not 3.5 hours earlier... going live~
That's a shame, I did mention the start time a few posts before your last post maybe you missed it. Everyone was over TakeTV asking "Is there an English Stream" LOL
On June 10 2019 19:36 osliang wrote: Several teams in China are currently talking to Innovation about joining the China Team League next Season Hopefully Nice will join too.
Well, Nice has just shown his wish to join P1. P1 was just all killed by Solar lol.
On June 10 2019 20:59 HolydaKing wrote: TIME looking good so far. He's the one true big chinese hope atm.
edit: rip. Hope Scarlett gonna win some.
TIME is playing rather professionally than emotionally. His improvement has far exceeded my expectations. It is hopeful that he is going to Anaheim for global finals this year. For a Chinese fan like me, it is really fun to enjoy his matches. Different from traditional non-Korean terrains, he prefers bio to machinery. This makes every match of him rather enjoyable.
The clean wins aren't great for the tournament I think. At least I imagine these long ass breaks are because they planned the tournament to go for a certain duration.
On June 10 2019 23:21 HolydaKing wrote: The clean wins aren't great for the tournament I think. At least I imagine these long ass breaks are because they planned the tournament to go for a certain duration.
Clean wins are good for Chinese audience and the players in some ways.It's 10:30 pm in China now,if the score was close,today's match might end up at 1 or 2 am next day.I start to feel tired now and I have to go to bed. TBH I think the schedule is rather bad.They shouldn't have the matches finished in one day,or they should start at morning.
On June 10 2019 23:21 HolydaKing wrote: The clean wins aren't great for the tournament I think. At least I imagine these long ass breaks are because they planned the tournament to go for a certain duration.
In this schedule,clean wins are good for Chinese audience and the players.It's 10:30 pm in China now,if the score was close,today's match might end up at 1 or 2 am next day. TBH I think the schedule is rather bad.They shouldn't have the matches finished in one day.
No, I meant the stream often has 20+ minute breaks and similar stuff due to the games going too quick. As far as I know they were expecting 8 hours of SC2, which 8 bo3s aren't nearly enough to fill. But yes, both games going 4-3 would've been hard even with very small breaks. It's tough to make a good schedule.
On June 10 2019 23:21 HolydaKing wrote: The clean wins aren't great for the tournament I think. At least I imagine these long ass breaks are because they planned the tournament to go for a certain duration.
In this schedule,clean wins are good for Chinese audience and the players.It's 10:30 pm in China now,if the score was close,today's match might end up at 1 or 2 am next day. TBH I think the schedule is rather bad.They shouldn't have the matches finished in one day.
No, I meant the stream often has 20+ minute breaks and similar stuff due to the games going too quick. As far as I know they were expecting 8 hours of SC2, which 8 bo3s aren't nearly enough to fill. But yes, both games going 4-3 would've been hard even with very small breaks. It's tough to make a good schedule.
Yep, I agree the downtime is pretty tough. Hopefully they'll continue to improve the scheduling next season, though team leagues are always tough to schedule with a good pace. Proleague had it pretty good but those were Bo1s
I, for one, would like to thank our Chinese overlords for making the schedule perfect for us European viewers. However the live audience would be screwed at this pace.
On June 11 2019 00:14 yht9657 wrote: I, for one, would like to thank our Chinese overlords for making the schedule perfect for us European viewers. However the live audience would be screwed at this pace.
Nah late night travel in Shanghai for the most part is not terrible, sure it's expensive but not going to break anyone's bank.
On June 11 2019 15:57 thickertom wrote: The schedule was three days earliest, one for Semifinal 1, one for Semifinal 2, one for Final. However, it became two days due to unknown reasons.
Because GSL RO4 starts at the next day. The two events would conflict if they don't squeeze into two days time.
On June 11 2019 15:57 thickertom wrote: The schedule was three days earliest, one for Semifinal 1, one for Semifinal 2, one for Final. However, it became two days due to unknown reasons.
GSL is on the 12th, and GPC is taking place at the same venue on the 13th, so they had to fit the whole tournament in 10th and 11th.
On June 11 2019 23:28 FBTsingLoong wrote: What a pity for Patience.If his archons used A move,he could have killed those disruptors,and he would probably win.
Translation: Thanks for your support. It is time to kick somebody out of here. I don't know if someone has sent this to TL.net, but I will post it here. Boss of Player 1 has been annoyed by the 0-4 in the semifinals, all-killed by Solar. More importantly, the administrators of P1 have been unsatisfied with the unprofessional attitude of specific team members. During a live broadcast of scboy, it is widely inferred that Parting has been behaving unprofessionally, only caring about his income. Thus, we may see another high-level team member joining P1 as well as Nice. Now Dark, Innovation("吕布", Lv Bu) have been a focus with all teams rushing to sign both of them. It is said that Solar may take on the task to persuade Inno to join tsg (with a salary bonus). If so, tsg would be invincible.
On June 12 2019 01:26 Z.Gu wrote: Translation: Thanks for your support. It is time to kick somebody out of here. I don't know if someone has sent this to TL.net, but I will post it here. Boss of Player 1 has been annoyed by the 0-4 in the semifinals, all-killed by Solar. More importantly, the administrators of P1 have been unsatisfied with the unprofessional attitude of specific team members. During a live broadcast of scboy, it is widely inferred that Parting has been behaving unprofessionally, only caring about his income. Thus, we may see another high-level team member joining P1 as well as Nice. Now Dark, Innovation("吕布", Lv Bu) have been a focus with all teams rushing to sign both of them. It is said that Solar may take on the task to persuade Inno to join tsg (with a salary bonus). If so, tsg would be invinsible.
What does this mean? BasetradeTV was not involved in the tournament. Does it mean JAGW will not be able to participate in the team league any more? This would be a pitty but somehow understandable.
What does this mean? BasetradeTV was not involved in the tournament. Does it mean JAGW will not be able to participate in the team league any more? This would be a pitty but somehow understandable.
www.scboy.com Question 1: You may go for a Chinese forum to know about BasetradeTV and Scboy lol. Question 2: Well, probably. There seems to be a management problem with JAGW. (from what I know from Chinese forums) Add a hyperlink here for further details. One answer for that: no coaches in charge now, players are let free of control.
What does this mean? BasetradeTV was not involved in the tournament. Does it mean JAGW will not be able to participate in the team league any more? This would be a pitty but somehow understandable.
www.scboy.com Question 1: You may go for a Chinese forum to know about BasetradeTV and Scboy lol. Question 2: Well, probably. There seems to be a management problem with JAGW. (from what I know from Chinese forums) Add a hyperlink here for further details. One answer for that: no coaches in charge now, players are let free of control.
Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it.
On June 12 2019 02:23 digmouse wrote: Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it.
Let's hope they get a second chance and prove better next time.
On June 12 2019 02:23 digmouse wrote: Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it.
Let's hope they get a second chance and prove better next time.
"..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag.
About BTTV. SCBOY broadcasted their channel without authorization. Some audience told BTTV about this. BTTV put "Hello, Thief" in Mandarin in the middle of their channel. After this, SCBOY never broadcast BTTV any longer, and never invite or allow BTTV broadcast their tournaments either. I can't say nothing wrong with SCBOY, but obviously, SCBOY have a different understanding of broadcast rights and how to hold tournaments.
Back to the emotional reply, the guy mentioned BBTV then ".....I don't want to open". In fact, he did open it. In East Asian Continent live/cast community, it is called “let caster/audience sidetracked”, which generally is malicious.
On June 12 2019 02:23 digmouse wrote: Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it.
Let's hope they get a second chance and prove better next time.
"..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag.
About BTTV. SCBOY broadcasted their channel without authorization. Some audience told BTTV about this. BTTV put "Hello, Thief" in Mandarin in the middle of their channel. After this, SCBOY never broadcast BTTV any longer, and never invite or allow BTTV broadcast their tournaments either. I can't say nothing wrong with SCBOY, but obviously, SCBOY have a different understanding of broadcast rights and how to hold tournaments.
Back to the emotional reply, the guy mentioned BBTV then ".....I don't want to open". In fact, he did open it. In East Asian Continent live/cast community, it is called “let caster/audience sidetracked”, which generally is malicious.
On June 12 2019 12:34 BluestSEA wrote: "..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag..
So what you're saying is the Chinese community has their own version of Emil
On June 12 2019 02:23 digmouse wrote: Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it.
Let's hope they get a second chance and prove better next time.
"..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag.
About BTTV. SCBOY broadcasted their channel without authorization. Some audience told BTTV about this. BTTV put "Hello, Thief" in Mandarin in the middle of their channel. After this, SCBOY never broadcast BTTV any longer, and never invite or allow BTTV broadcast their tournaments either. I can't say nothing wrong with SCBOY, but obviously, SCBOY have a different understanding of broadcast rights and how to hold tournaments.
Back to the emotional reply, the guy mentioned BBTV then ".....I don't want to open". In fact, he did open it. In East Asian Continent live/cast community, it is called “let caster/audience sidetracked”, which generally is malicious.
In short, it was piracy.
It is not really so.
Because China has that stupid great firewall, it could be laggy and interrupt the players if you have an OB from China. SCBOY prefer re-streaming others instead of being a OB in the game.
In BTTV's story, that was an Olimo iirc, SCBOY and Crank has a deal with exchanging rights to stream on each others tournament. It is not really piracy in the tournament. but as BTTV consider OB camera work is a part of their property, so Rifkin call them thieves. SCBOY did apologized afterwards but the beef is still there.
The shit just goes on since then, so SCBOY stopped casting BTTV's tournaments and banned BTTV from theirs.
In fact, the Master's coliseum tournament was made because SCBOY want to fill the time on Thursday after this happened.
On June 12 2019 02:23 digmouse wrote: Jin Air was not professional enough to arrange their visas in time, they literally let the organizers know 5 days before the playoffs that their visa isnt coming out till the 10th. BTTV is another can of worms I dont want to open, just don't ask about it.
Let's hope they get a second chance and prove better next time.
"..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag.
About BTTV. SCBOY broadcasted their channel without authorization. Some audience told BTTV about this. BTTV put "Hello, Thief" in Mandarin in the middle of their channel. After this, SCBOY never broadcast BTTV any longer, and never invite or allow BTTV broadcast their tournaments either. I can't say nothing wrong with SCBOY, but obviously, SCBOY have a different understanding of broadcast rights and how to hold tournaments.
Back to the emotional reply, the guy mentioned BBTV then ".....I don't want to open". In fact, he did open it. In East Asian Continent live/cast community, it is called “let caster/audience sidetracked”, which generally is malicious.
In short, it was piracy.
It is not really so.
Because China has that stupid great firewall, it could be laggy and interrupt the players if you have an OB from China. SCBOY prefer re-streaming others instead of being a OB in the game.
In BTTV's story, that was an Olimo iirc, SCBOY and Crank has a deal with exchanging rights to stream on each others tournament. It is not really piracy in the tournament. but as BTTV consider OB camera work is a part of their property, so they call them thieves.
The shit just goes on, so SCBOY stopped casting BTTV's tournaments and banned BTTV from theirs.
So they re-streamed BTTV without their permission (they only had that deal with Crank). That's piracy.
On June 12 2019 16:53 CxWiLL wrote: In BTTV's story, that was an Olimo iirc, SCBOY and Crank has a deal with exchanging rights to stream on each others tournament. It is not really piracy in the tournament. but as BTTV consider OB camera work is a part of their property, so Rifkin call them thieves. SCBOY did apologized afterwards but the beef is still there.
It does not make any sense at all. The deal between Crank and SCBOY, is effective between them both and only them. Without notifying, real time re-streaming BaseTrade TV, is pirating.
It occurred before, and it will continue occurring because the WALL is there. That's the fact. The only difference is, by learning from that experience, they shall re-streaming from few channels.
SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
It is a cultural deference indeed. There is an excellent page on Wikipedia that explains this Chinese mindset really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi
Doesn't matter now, they apologized, and apology was accepted. They probably won't work together again. End of story.
On June 12 2019 12:34 BluestSEA wrote: "..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag..
So what you're saying is the Chinese community has their own version of Emil
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing.
Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
It is a cultural deference indeed. There is an excellent page on Wikipedia that explains this Chinese mindset really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi
Doesn't matter now, they apologized, and apology was accepted. They probably won't work together again. End of story.
Guanxi has absolutely nothing to do with stealing other people's products, broadcast in this case, or copying them...
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
It is a cultural deference indeed. There is an excellent page on Wikipedia that explains this Chinese mindset really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi
Doesn't matter now, they apologized, and apology was accepted. They probably won't work together again. End of story.
Guanxi has absolutely nothing to do with stealing other people's products, broadcast in this case, or copying them...
I was just trying to get you to see things from different perspective. But like I said, they learnt their lesson and apologized, and apology was accepted. End of story.
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
It is a cultural deference indeed. There is an excellent page on Wikipedia that explains this Chinese mindset really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi
Doesn't matter now, they apologized, and apology was accepted. They probably won't work together again. End of story.
Guanxi has absolutely nothing to do with stealing other people's products, broadcast in this case, or copying them...
I was just trying to get you to see things from different perspective. But like I said, they learnt their lesson and apologized, and apology was accepted. End of story.
Regardless of how the "story" ended: It's not a different perspective. It's the wrong one. Just wanted to point this out. Now you can end the story.
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing.
Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
I did not state it was BTTV's fault. In fact I think their reaction was justified and it was not cool for SCboy to simply assume everyone is OK with their restreaming (although the vast majority of Starcraft streamers were OK with it), it was what happened AFTER that is not appropriate (not going to elaborate and escalate this further, those who saw it know what I'm talking about). I got them together for a talk and SCboy wholeheartedly apologized and both parties agreed to move on, it really should be forgotten as an unfortunate incident and subsequently SCboy has mandated that all their broadcast and content will be fully permitted by the right holders.
allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
On June 12 2019 23:54 Ziggy wrote: allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
Season 2 is already in, and both seasons are sponsored by one of their co-investors which is wealthy enough to own a multi story shopping mall so it's like chop change for him lol. Plus they have other sponsors like one of the biggest food delivery services in China and a top tier appliances maker.
On June 12 2019 23:54 Ziggy wrote: allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
Season 2 is already in, and both seasons are sponsored by one of their co-investors which is wealthy enough to own a multi story shopping mall so it's like chop change for him lol. Plus they have other sponsors like one of the biggest food delivery services in China and a top tier appliances maker.
Thank you so much for delivering all the informations about this event to the foreign scene!
Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing.
Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
I did not state it was BTTV's fault. In fact I think their reaction was justified and it was not cool for SCboy to simply assume everyone is OK with their restreaming (although the vast majority of Starcraft streamers were OK with it), it was what happened AFTER that is not appropriate (not going to elaborate and escalate this further, those who saw it know what I'm talking about). I got them together for a talk and SCboy wholeheartedly apologized and both parties agreed to move on, it really should be forgotten as an unfortunate incident and subsequently SCboy has mandated that all their broadcast and content will be fully permitted by the right holders.
With respect, I can't understand why you mentioned emotionally this old story? No any benefit to SCboy.
Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing.
Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
I did not state it was BTTV's fault. In fact I think their reaction was justified and it was not cool for SCboy to simply assume everyone is OK with their restreaming (although the vast majority of Starcraft streamers were OK with it), it was what happened AFTER that is not appropriate (not going to elaborate and escalate this further, those who saw it know what I'm talking about). I got them together for a talk and SCboy wholeheartedly apologized and both parties agreed to move on, it really should be forgotten as an unfortunate incident and subsequently SCboy has mandated that all their broadcast and content will be fully permitted by the right holders.
With respect, I can't understand why you mentioned emotionally this old story? No any benefit to SCboy.
I think the previous poster wasn't nice to mention it, as I don't want this to escalate (that didn't work obviously). Enough bridges have been burnt from that and it benefits nobody to stir it.
On June 12 2019 23:54 Ziggy wrote: allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
Apparently at least two additional teams are joining. So we are looking at a 10+ teams competing next season, starting from August
On June 12 2019 23:54 Ziggy wrote: allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
Apparently at least two additional teams are joining. So we are looking at a 10+ teams competing next season, starting from August
On June 12 2019 23:54 Ziggy wrote: allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
Season 2 is already in, and both seasons are sponsored by one of their co-investors which is wealthy enough to own a multi story shopping mall so it's like chop change for him lol. Plus they have other sponsors like one of the biggest food delivery services in China and a top tier appliances maker.
For what I heard, season 1 test run and fully funded by Blizzard China/Netease, which the purpose is to show the potential how big the Chinese SC2 community and market would be for any further teams and sponsors. Season 2 would be sponsored by some old sponsors, such as Alienware, ele.me, and the wealthy billionaire you just mentioned who is also brother-in-law of xiaose, one of the scboy.
On June 12 2019 23:54 Ziggy wrote: allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
Apparently at least two additional teams are joining. So we are looking at a 10+ teams competing next season, starting from August
Could be even more!
Damn! :D I hope you are right Mr Insider :D It's probably the first time we have a shortage of Chinese players in Starcraft history LOL :D
On June 12 2019 23:54 Ziggy wrote: allow me to change the subject - any major sponsors jumping on the hype train yet ? or is the second season likewise going to be funded purely by scboy ?
Apparently at least two additional teams are joining. So we are looking at a 10+ teams competing next season, starting from August
Could be even more!
Damn! :D I hope you are right Mr Insider :D It's probably the first time we have a shortage of Chinese players in Starcraft history LOL :D
IG should lend some of their players to the other teams in exchange for non chinese players xd
On June 12 2019 12:34 BluestSEA wrote: "..... Out" is a meme in East Asian Continent SC community. Years ago, SCboy lagged when casting some match. Other caster typed "SCBOY OUT". So it comes a meme and is widely used whenever there is a lag..
So what you're saying is the Chinese community has their own version of Emil
Sorry, I do not understand "Emil" you mentioned
Emil is a Polish caster and in the past he used to lag in matches pretty often, so people would say "emil pls" etc. Nowadays I think his connection is better but the joke stayed and every time there is lag people will just say it's probably emil
On June 13 2019 07:48 pzlama333 wrote: Cloudy in his weibo account said that he will retire next season and focus on team management role.
In my opinion, this "retire" is the same as Snute, White-Ra and so on. If he can still be in Top 16 in China, he will continue participating in the matches, won't he?
On June 13 2019 07:48 pzlama333 wrote: Cloudy in his weibo account said that he will retire next season and focus on team management role.
In my opinion, this "retire" is the same as Snute, White-Ra and so on. If he can still be in Top 16 in China, he will continue participating in the matches, won't he?
Of course. He would still play SC2, and participate any individual tournament if there's a chance and play sniper duel at Dust II against F91, but he would let other team member to participate the team league, and he will not exercise as hard as before. Anyway, he have prove to be good as manager and good luck for him.
1.I have withdrawn the comment I made with regard to basetrade tv. It is rather inappropriate and controversial. In retrospect, I feel sorry for the comments I made. Also, I am sorry for the late response I made. (I didn't get how to edit my comments) 2.Latest Update of JAGW: A court in Incheon sentenced 45-yr-old Cho Hyun-ah (I don't know whether it is the right spelling) to 8 months in prison with a probation of one year due to smuggling. Cho was charged with smuggle luxury with Korean Airlines' airplanes, together with her mother, who was also sentenced to 6 months in prison with probation. I don't know what would be the impacts of the management of Jinair, which is a subsidiary of Korean Airlines, may face fierce pressure in the future. As a 'dead game' in Korea, Jinair may dismiss their Starcraft e-sports team, JAGW.
On June 14 2019 13:45 Kroneleo wrote: There is unconfirmed news saying that a new team will include hurricane, Cyan, Dream and plans to join in next season's team championship.
XIAOSE confirmed it in stream, just not confirmed from the team itself. I remembered TEAM TOP quit at the beginning and said they would come back in season 2. If so, it is very possible to be over 10 teams.
On June 14 2019 13:45 Kroneleo wrote: There is unconfirmed news saying that a new team will include hurricane, Cyan, Dream and plans to join in next season's team championship.
XIAOSE confirmed it in stream, just not confirmed from the team itself. I remembered TEAM TOP quit at the beginning and said they would come back in season 2. If so, it is very possible to be over 10 teams.
Team Top disbanded after Cyan and Jieshi was banned from official game. Jieshi joined LP and Cyan joined the new team Brave Star with Hurricane and Dream, so there will be no more Team Top. There is rumor that a new team KZ gaming would be formed by some rich guys, but I wonder whether it is a joke or they would consider it seriously.
XIAOSE confirmed it in stream, just not confirmed from the team itself. I remembered TEAM TOP quit at the beginning and said they would come back in season 2. If so, it is very possible to be over 10 teams.
Team Top disbanded after Cyan and Jieshi was banned from official game. Jieshi joined LP and Cyan joined the new team Brave Star with Hurricane and Dream, so there will be no more Team Top. There is rumor that a new team KZ gaming would be formed by some rich guys, but I wonder whether it is a joke or they would consider it seriously.
According to XIAOSE. SOO are the rich guys' potential target. They even want to buy Maru, but the contract will expire in November.
On June 17 2019 14:22 qwerty23455 wrote: KZ gaming, as in Kingzone?
KZ, kaizi, rich guys. Some rich friends of SCBoy Xiaose found this team. Rumors: soo, innoation, maru, dark were their targets.
Nah.. I think it's meant to be a joke. Most of these players are still on ongoing contracts, so it's not likely they can join another team before next Season begins Maybe next year?
Really cool that this tournament seems to get even bigger. First season was really good and imo had the one of best offline parts of all chinese tournaments I've watched so far.
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing.
Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
I did not state it was BTTV's fault. In fact I think their reaction was justified and it was not cool for SCboy to simply assume everyone is OK with their restreaming (although the vast majority of Starcraft streamers were OK with it), it was what happened AFTER that is not appropriate (not going to elaborate and escalate this further, those who saw it know what I'm talking about). I got them together for a talk and SCboy wholeheartedly apologized and both parties agreed to move on, it really should be forgotten as an unfortunate incident and subsequently SCboy has mandated that all their broadcast and content will be fully permitted by the right holders.
I've only just been notified of this thread, and I'm a bit confused on some of the story elements here. My memory of events is as follows:
- SCBoy chose to pirate our stream - We did retaliate by acknowledging them restreaming our content with a message that said, "Hello, Thief " in mandarin
(small note on this: To this day I've never understood how that was taken to be such a serious insult? If you deliver the mail, you're a mailman. If you steal somebody's work and pass it as your own, you're a thief?)
- We were filing a formal complain to blizzard - digimouse reached out to me to act as a translator and liason to scboy to try and ease tensions - SCBoy representative apologized to me in private conversation, and I offered to retract my complaint I was filing.
mostly ends here
- some time later I make a request to digimouse about contacting SCBoy to see if we can work together, and am told something along the lines of possibly in the future but it's probably best if we don't due to recent events
What exactly happened after that is not appropriate?
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing.
Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
I did not state it was BTTV's fault. In fact I think their reaction was justified and it was not cool for SCboy to simply assume everyone is OK with their restreaming (although the vast majority of Starcraft streamers were OK with it), it was what happened AFTER that is not appropriate (not going to elaborate and escalate this further, those who saw it know what I'm talking about). I got them together for a talk and SCboy wholeheartedly apologized and both parties agreed to move on, it really should be forgotten as an unfortunate incident and subsequently SCboy has mandated that all their broadcast and content will be fully permitted by the right holders.
I've only just been notified of this thread, and I'm a bit confused on some of the story elements here. My memory of events is as follows:
- SCBoy chose to pirate our stream - We did retaliate by acknowledging them restreaming our content with a message that said, "Hello, Thief " in mandarin
(small note on this: To this day I've never understood how that was taken to be such a serious insult? If you deliver the mail, you're a mailman. If you steal somebody's work and pass it as your own, you're a thief?)
- We were filing a formal complain to blizzard - digimouse reached out to me to act as a translator and liason to scboy to try and ease tensions - SCBoy representative apologized to me in private conversation, and I offered to retract my complaint I was filing.
mostly ends here
- some time later I make a request to digimouse about contacting SCBoy to see if we can work together, and am told something along the lines of possibly in the future but it's probably best if we don't due to recent events
What exactly happened after that is not appropriate?
Of course scboy was wrong. But when you printed "Hello, Thief" in mandarin on your screen, you actually chose to use an abusive method instead of a rational discussion, which deeply hurt scboy and Chinese watchers. I think you should understand that once you did this, you can never cooperate with scboy again. Needless to say you typed "Taiwan #1" in the chat zone of twitch, which is disrespect for politics in other countries.
I think BTTV has been permanetly banned from casting any matches held in China. Scboy dare not take the political risk even if they want to improve relationship with BTTV.
On June 12 2019 18:21 osliang wrote: SCBOY and BaseTradeTV should have resolved the issue behind the scene.
Instead, BTTV decided to publicly humiliate SCBOY in front of hundreds of BTTV's fans, and tens of thousands of SCBOY's fans. This was a dick move IMO, or they were just being childish.
It triggered the Chinese Starcraft community so bad, from what i hear they don't want to have anything to do with BTTV anymore.
SCBOY shouldn't have restreamed BTTV, and after having done it, he should have apologised and asked for permission. BTTV's reaction is childish indeed, but they had every reason to complain. It's clear you guys have different opinions about copyright, piracy and that kind of stuff over there.
Let us look back to the guy who first mentioned this, who thought it was totally BTTV's fault. Obviously, it's really PR disaster to SCBOY because more and more people know this disgraceful thing.
Although I come from East Asian Continent, I won't use such reason, like culture different to defend SCBOY if I want to. No copyright awareness was no copyright awareness. At least, they have the broadcast rights and do something good to SC2.
I did not state it was BTTV's fault. In fact I think their reaction was justified and it was not cool for SCboy to simply assume everyone is OK with their restreaming (although the vast majority of Starcraft streamers were OK with it), it was what happened AFTER that is not appropriate (not going to elaborate and escalate this further, those who saw it know what I'm talking about). I got them together for a talk and SCboy wholeheartedly apologized and both parties agreed to move on, it really should be forgotten as an unfortunate incident and subsequently SCboy has mandated that all their broadcast and content will be fully permitted by the right holders.
I've only just been notified of this thread, and I'm a bit confused on some of the story elements here. My memory of events is as follows:
- SCBoy chose to pirate our stream - We did retaliate by acknowledging them restreaming our content with a message that said, "Hello, Thief " in mandarin
(small note on this: To this day I've never understood how that was taken to be such a serious insult? If you deliver the mail, you're a mailman. If you steal somebody's work and pass it as your own, you're a thief?)
- We were filing a formal complain to blizzard - digimouse reached out to me to act as a translator and liason to scboy to try and ease tensions - SCBoy representative apologized to me in private conversation, and I offered to retract my complaint I was filing.
mostly ends here
- some time later I make a request to digimouse about contacting SCBoy to see if we can work together, and am told something along the lines of possibly in the future but it's probably best if we don't due to recent events
What exactly happened after that is not appropriate?
Of course scboy was wrong. But when you printed "Hello, Thief" in mandarin on your screen, you actually chose to use an abusive method instead of a rational discussion, which deeply hurt scboy and Chinese watchers. I think you should understand that once you did this, you can never cooperate with scboy again. Needless to say you typed "Taiwan #1" in the chat zone of twitch, which is disrespect for politics in other countries.
I'm sorry but if somebody were to steal your wallet, would anyone sit there and calmly ask for it back as the thief ran away? Further more, watching them sell your wallet for 10x the value, would you whisper, "stop"? You can't justify an offense because it made the offender feel bad.
Regarding the Taiwan #1 comments, it'd be nice if there were more screen shots saved of the 30+ minutes of straight up harassment and attacks from scboy fans before my retaliation with a comment, so I guess I'll just have to apologize for retaliating after being attacked by Chinese fans for a prolonged period of time, I am sorry to disappoint the few level headed folks who didn't come to our chat spamming awful things in whatever language it was.
On June 18 2019 17:39 kkapi wrote: I think BTTV has been permanetly banned from casting any matches held in China. Scboy dare not take the political risk even if they want to improve relationship with BTTV.
I mean that's their prerogative, I have never asked to cast anything after it was made clear they didn't want to work together, and my participation in this thread isn't anything along those lines either. In fact, I have no desire to work with them either after experiencing their extremely toxic fans harassing me for months.
There’s no doubt that BTTV is banned permanently.If you really hopes to cooperate with with SCBOY and your IQ is not negative,you are supposed to understand what “TW#1” means.Though I don’t deny that SCBOY was wrong when pirate your stream,but your political errors will never be forgiven.SCBOY never get back at anyone without reasonable explanation.They are enthusiastic,approachable and easygoing.
Moreover,who do you think your are?You are just foolish,ignorant,greedy and bumptious.Other streamers like Wardi,Crank and Take always help each other but you just want to destroy the hardwon harmony that they have created.
Remember this:You will eventually leave with nothing left.
Moreover,who do you think your are?You are just foolish,ignorant,greedy and bumptious.Other streamers like Wardi,Crank and Take always help each other but you just want to destroy the hardwon harmony that they have created.
Remember this:You will eventually leave with nothing left.
Moreover,who do you think your are?You are just foolish,ignorant,greedy and bumptious.Other streamers like Wardi,Crank and Take always help each other but you just want to destroy the hardwon harmony that they have created.
Remember this:You will eventually leave with nothing left.
I mean, prove literally any of this?
If you want to equally trade with others, you have to own the capital to do business. But what high-quality resources you have? None! So there's no need for scboy to talk to you any more.
Moreover,who do you think your are?You are just foolish,ignorant,greedy and bumptious.Other streamers like Wardi,Crank and Take always help each other but you just want to destroy the hardwon harmony that they have created.
Remember this:You will eventually leave with nothing left.
I mean, prove literally any of this?
If you want to equally trade with others, you have to own the capital to do business. But what high-quality resources you have? None! So there's no need for scboy to talk to you any more.
Ok triggered Chinese fan, I appreciate your passion, but you're misplacing it.
Moreover,who do you think your are?You are just foolish,ignorant,greedy and bumptious.Other streamers like Wardi,Crank and Take always help each other but you just want to destroy the hardwon harmony that they have created.
Remember this:You will eventually leave with nothing left.
I mean, prove literally any of this?
If you want to equally trade with others, you have to own the capital to do business. But what high-quality resources you have? None! So there's no need for scboy to talk to you any more.
Ok triggered Chinese fan, I appreciate your passion, but you're misplacing it.
I don't want to waste time arguing with you. Let's see whether you can succeed in the future.
What does this mean? BasetradeTV was not involved in the tournament. Does it mean JAGW will not be able to participate in the team league any more? This would be a pitty but somehow understandable.
Correct, we have had nothing to do with any of this league, and I do not understand why "basetradetv" is being brought up at all in any related topics?
What does this mean? BasetradeTV was not involved in the tournament. Does it mean JAGW will not be able to participate in the team league any more? This would be a pitty but somehow understandable.
Correct, we have had nothing to do with any of this league, and I do not understand why "basetradetv" is being brought up at all in any related topics?
Just ignore the trolls Rif, you are wasting time on them
Jesús, all these chinese 1post accounts to defend SCboy and trash talk BTTV...
Scboy stole the broadcast, period. Then Basetrade reacted in an immature way, as he always does, but he had every right to complain. Don't picture SCboy here as the good guy and bttv as the demon.
While "reacting in a immature way" is somewhat of a BTTV staple, they did not do it in this instance. Laughing at someone who steals your work for profit is probably the best way to handle such situation. There is no way in hell SCBOY has any grounds to being offended.
Also, if cooperation with China requires other parties to conform to their political demands, then I do not want any such cooperation. Sucks for those Chinese people who would like to have nothing to with politics, but are forced to pay attention to it or get to troubles, but that doesn't change that we should not give in at any point.
On June 18 2019 20:51 opisska wrote: While "reacting in a immature way" is somewhat of a BTTV staple, they did not do it in this instance. Laughing at someone who steals your work for profit is probably the best way to handle such situation. There is no way in hell SCBOY has any grounds to being offended.
Also, if cooperation with China requires other parties to conform to their political demands, then I do not want any such cooperation. Sucks for those Chinese people who would like to have nothing to with politics, but are forced to pay attention to it or get to troubles, but that doesn't change that we should not give in at any point.
Nope, it was immature. Publically shaming IS IMMATURE. That's why it's illegal in many countries...
Mature response is to ask the person to not do that, return the property and/or call the police. No shaming involved.
Immature response is to laugh at the person, pin the photo of the person on some public place and promote laughing from others. This isn't how adults solve their things. As a bonus BTTV managed to offend Chinese fans(for w/e reason).
On June 18 2019 21:09 digmouse wrote: We don't need to talk about this again.
Oh yeah, of course, let's have a bunch of 1-post accounts shit on BTTV and then ask for the responses of people who think differently to stop. What a balanced discussion.
On June 18 2019 21:09 digmouse wrote: We don't need to talk about this again.
Oh yeah, of course, let's have a bunch of 1-post accounts shit on BTTV and then ask for the responses of people who think differently to stop. What a balanced discussion.
I'm refering to both sides. The parties involved already moved on like a year ago, it's not nice to borderline unacceptable for the poster a couple pages back to start this, it's even worse to derail this thread further by arguing over something isn't really arguable: SCboy was absolutely wrong then, and BTTV had all the rights to demand an apology and they did get it. To my knowledge SCboy did not talk about the incident after that and they did not ask their fans to incite this here or anywhere else, it's simply not a nice thing to do. Hope I am clear this time.
On June 18 2019 21:09 digmouse wrote: We don't need to talk about this again.
Oh yeah, of course, let's have a bunch of 1-post accounts shit on BTTV and then ask for the responses of people who think differently to stop. What a balanced discussion.
I'm refering to both sides. The parties involved already moved on like a year ago, it's not nice to borderline unacceptable for the poster a couple pages back to start this, it's even worse to derail this thread further by arguing over something isn't really arguable: SCboy was absolutely wrong then, and BTTV had all the rights to demand an apology and they did get it. To my knowledge SCboy did not talk about the incident after that and they did not ask their fans to incite this here or anywhere else, it's simply not a nice thing to do. Hope I am clear this time.
I'm plenty happy to drop it, as you said we all moved on some time ago. I just don't like seeing my name or my company's name brought up and dragged through the mud again for no reason. I still don't understand why it was even brought up in the first place?
On June 18 2019 21:09 digmouse wrote: We don't need to talk about this again.
Oh yeah, of course, let's have a bunch of 1-post accounts shit on BTTV and then ask for the responses of people who think differently to stop. What a balanced discussion.
I'm refering to both sides. The parties involved already moved on like a year ago, it's not nice to borderline unacceptable for the poster a couple pages back to start this, it's even worse to derail this thread further by arguing over something isn't really arguable: SCboy was absolutely wrong then, and BTTV had all the rights to demand an apology and they did get it. To my knowledge SCboy did not talk about the incident after that and they did not ask their fans to incite this here or anywhere else, it's simply not a nice thing to do. Hope I am clear this time.
I'm plenty happy to drop it, as you said we all moved on some time ago. I just don't like seeing my name or my company's name brought up and dragged through the mud again for no reason. I still don't understand why it was even brought up in the first place?
I have zero idea why a couple pages back someone just HAD to meme it in, and it went downhill from there.
I wonder, if some of the transfer rumors will come true. There are not this many free agents in Korea. Maybe this league will lead to some fresh blood in the scene, would be great.
On June 19 2019 00:17 kubaPS wrote: I wonder, if some of the transfer rumors will come true. There are not this many free agents in Korea. Maybe this league will lead to some fresh blood in the scene, would be great.
At this point probably yeah. Not a lot of interest outside of China for those players anyway.
On June 19 2019 00:17 kubaPS wrote: I wonder, if some of the transfer rumors will come true. There are not this many free agents in Korea. Maybe this league will lead to some fresh blood in the scene, would be great.
For a lot of rich Chinese team boss/investor who have interesting on esport, maintaining a SC2 team with one Chinese and two Korean is much cheaper than LoL or DotA.
#1. A couple of Chinese fans can't representative all Chinese SC2 fans. #2. Re-streaming without authorization is wrong. #3. Trash talks are trash talks and they do cause damage. #4. Do not add fuel to the fire that involves politics. More specifically, think twice when you mentioned TW#1 in front of Chinese. #5. Past is past, let it go, especially, when both sides are settled down.
China has a Wall, it's the background to trigger the whole story and it will continue being the similar pattern. There are good people and bad people in the world, common sense. Bad people steal stuff, because there is very few option left.
It seems to me the time bomb is still there, simply the good people are trying not to talk about it and move on.
Sarcastically, what we are trying to prevent, is the root cause.
On June 19 2019 00:17 kubaPS wrote: I wonder, if some of the transfer rumors will come true. There are not this many free agents in Korea. Maybe this league will lead to some fresh blood in the scene, would be great.
For a lot of rich Chinese team boss/investor who have interesting on esport, maintaining a SC2 team with one Chinese and two Korean is much cheaper than LoL or DotA.
I personally hope the match rule could be changed next season. Now, the team just need 3 players, a top one, a middle one, a Chinese one. Considering present situation, It's hard for Chinese players to play the role as top or middle one, even TIME.
In the long run, this is good for top players, but it does not expand the pool of players. I think it will be great if a team could have 4-6 players.
On June 19 2019 13:11 creamlemon wrote: China has a Wall, it's the background to trigger the whole story and it will continue being the similar pattern. There are good people and bad people in the world, common sense. Bad people steal stuff, because there is very few option left.
It seems to me the time bomb is still there, simply the good people are trying not to talk about it and move on.
Sarcastically, what we are trying to prevent, is the root cause.
It's meaningless when you try to reach a consensus under the background you mentioned.
Not Mentioning and Moving on is much easier, compared with removing the background you mentioned.
On June 19 2019 13:27 BluestSEA wrote: It's meaningless when you try to reach a consensus under the background you mentioned. Not Mentioning and Moving on is much easier, compared with removing the background you mentioned.
Actually, the disscussion here is related to the topic, <Team league matches >
How do Wardi or TakeTV solve the issues ?
For example, China_Team_League, Korean server, Wardi or TakeTV has its own OB GPC, Chinese server(?) , there is a feed specifically for Wardi or TakeTV
Likewise, instead of not talking about it, do the good people has alternative method the solve the issue ?
On June 19 2019 00:17 kubaPS wrote: I wonder, if some of the transfer rumors will come true. There are not this many free agents in Korea. Maybe this league will lead to some fresh blood in the scene, would be great.
For a lot of rich Chinese team boss/investor who have interesting on esport, maintaining a SC2 team with one Chinese and two Korean is much cheaper than LoL or DotA.
I personally hope the match rule could be changed next season. Now, the team just need 3 players, a top one, a middle one, a Chinese one. Considering present situation, It's hard for Chinese players to play the role as top or middle one, even TIME.
In the long run, this is good for top players, but it does not expand the pool of players. I think it will be great if a team could have 4-6 players.
There is already a shortage of available teamless Chinese players for potential new team, and most existing players are not as good as TIME. Also, there isn't many teamless Korean too. Consider the match has to be played on either China or Korean server, I do not believe many European or American would join it.
For my point of view, 3 players are fine for right now. A team, at least, is a team and it will pay its players salary. If playing SC2 could be consider as a career and earn money, I believe it will attract more young players to join. Joining a team also give them a chance to learn from their high-skilled Korean teammates.
At last, because the regular season use a "best-of-two" format, though most Chinese players may not win a BO5 or BO3, a lot of them have the ability to take one map from their opponent, thus force a 1-1 draw and maybe even an ace match. So they still may play an important role for their team.
Of course I would like to see more players per team, and that is our goal in the future. At least we already have a good start.
On June 19 2019 13:27 BluestSEA wrote: It's meaningless when you try to reach a consensus under the background you mentioned. Not Mentioning and Moving on is much easier, compared with removing the background you mentioned.
Actually, the disscussion here is related to the topic, <Team league matches >
How do Wardi or TakeTV solve the issues ?
For example, China_Team_League, Korean server, Wardi or TakeTV has its own OB GPC, Chinese server(?) , there is a feed specifically for Wardi or TakeTV
Likewise, instead of not talking about it, do the good people has alternative method the solve the issue ?
As I know, Wardi or TakeTV re-steam GPC from douyu when it is offline in East Asian Continent. GPC is held officely by NetEase.
On June 19 2019 00:17 kubaPS wrote: I wonder, if some of the transfer rumors will come true. There are not this many free agents in Korea. Maybe this league will lead to some fresh blood in the scene, would be great.
For a lot of rich Chinese team boss/investor who have interesting on esport, maintaining a SC2 team with one Chinese and two Korean is much cheaper than LoL or DotA.
I personally hope the match rule could be changed next season. Now, the team just need 3 players, a top one, a middle one, a Chinese one. Considering present situation, It's hard for Chinese players to play the role as top or middle one, even TIME.
In the long run, this is good for top players, but it does not expand the pool of players. I think it will be great if a team could have 4-6 players.
Most of the teams already have 4-6 players: IG, OG, LP, TSG, PSISTORM and JAGW. There are already few players left without team in China/Korea and there will be probably one or two more teams for the next season. But if the teamleague is doing well and will attract more fresh blood in the scene, they should maybe considere your idea in the future years.
I honestly think that IG should trade some of their Chinese players with other teams, because they need someone strong enough to act as their cornerstone. Also, players like iAsonu could really use a sparring partner. He could be so much stronger than right now IMO.
Right now the trend is big name players being poached away from their current team. We already knew soO is currently in talks with the new KZ Gaming team, pretty sure there are other high profile moves in plans. But again, the options are limited, some older players will have reached the age that they are not allowed to leave the country due to military service.
On June 21 2019 14:48 BluestSEA wrote: XIAOSE on his weibo said that new KZ Gaming offer a more $1000 wage than other teams to Innovation, which makes other teams silence.
I hope I could have rich friends too.
I'm surprised that the Kaize Gaming is a serious team but not a joke. Indeed the four bosses of KZ gaming are very rich, and I heard that the "poorest" of them has 6 billion RMB (equivalent as about one billion US dollars) in asset, and the richest is also Xiaose's cousin-in-law. I hope I may have such friends some day too. But I'm not sure such bidding is good thing in the long run. Of course they have money, but they should not pay their players too many than they should earn in a healthy market. If they grab all the good players they want, the less skilled players may want a salary raise too. Other team may not have enough money to compete and they may quit eventually one day. But anyway, they play terrible at CS:GO and DotA at least.
On June 21 2019 14:48 BluestSEA wrote: XIAOSE on his weibo said that new KZ Gaming offer a more $1000 wage than other teams to Innovation, which makes other teams silence.
I hope I could have rich friends too.
I'm surprised that the Kaize Gaming is a serious team but not a joke. Indeed the four bosses of KZ gaming are very rich, and I heard that the "poorest" of them has 6 billion RMB (equivalent as about one billion US dollars) in asset, and the richest is also Xiaose's cousin-in-law. I hope I may have such friends some day too. But I'm not sure such bidding is good thing in the long run. Of course they have money, but they should not pay their players too many than they should earn in a healthy market. If they grab all the good players they want, the less skilled players may want a salary raise too. Other team may not have enough money to compete and they may quit eventually one day. But anyway, they play terrible at CS:GO and DotA at least.
I heard that they are willing to give Inno 10k dollars a month.
On June 21 2019 14:48 BluestSEA wrote: XIAOSE on his weibo said that new KZ Gaming offer a more $1000 wage than other teams to Innovation, which makes other teams silence.
I hope I could have rich friends too.
I'm surprised that the Kaize Gaming is a serious team but not a joke. Indeed the four bosses of KZ gaming are very rich, and I heard that the "poorest" of them has 6 billion RMB (equivalent as about one billion US dollars) in asset, and the richest is also Xiaose's cousin-in-law. I hope I may have such friends some day too. But I'm not sure such bidding is good thing in the long run. Of course they have money, but they should not pay their players too many than they should earn in a healthy market. If they grab all the good players they want, the less skilled players may want a salary raise too. Other team may not have enough money to compete and they may quit eventually one day. But anyway, they play terrible at CS:GO and DotA at least.
I heard that they are willing to give Inno 10k dollars a month.
$10,000/mth?? Jeez! :D It's better to be a popular player than the greatest player
According to xiaose (source), because season 2 has twelve teams, and there is not enough time for a big round-robin of all 12 teams for the rest of this year, so it is decided that they will be divided into 2 groups of six teams. The top 4 of season 1 would be seeds, and the rest would be chose randomly, which the result is: Group 1: LP, Newbee, Brave Star, IG, Jin Air, KaiZi Group 2: TSG, P1, OG, Psi, Chivo, Dark
For the new 4 teams, Brave star's roster would be:Cyan, Hurricane and Dream Chivo should have soO, RagnaroK, the Chinese Taipei player ExpecT Dark is the merge of another 2 teams: Alpha X and Black Night, which has Armani, Chinese Daydreamer, and American Astrea who lives in Korea now. KaiZi is founded by 4 billionaire idiots who are also scboy's friends and one of them is also xiaose's cousin-in-law. A lot of people thought it was just a rich man's joke, but at last the team was founded as a serious team. The 4 idiots have a lot of money and I heard that they have contacted a lot of well known players including Innovation, TY and maybe Dark, but there isn't a lot of available players right now before the well known players' contract expire. I only heard that they have Bunny and Super right now.
Each group will play their own round robin. The offline playoff would be 5 teams (top 2 of each group, and the third of each group will play an additional match) as a KotH format. The playoff match itself will use a different bo2 kof format. If one player could defeat his opponent 2-0, he will continue to face next opponent; if it ends 1-1, then both teams have to choose another player to play the next game.
More detail official information would be announced soon.
On July 28 2019 14:41 pzlama333 wrote: According to xiaose (source), because season 2 has twelve teams, and there is not enough time for a big round-robin of all 12 teams for the rest of this year, so it is decided that they will be divided into 2 groups of six teams. The top 4 of season 1 would be seeds, and the rest would be chose randomly, which the result is: Group 1: LP, Newbee, Brave Star, IG, Jin Air, KaiZi Group 2: TSG, P1, OG, Psi, Chivo, Dark
For the new 4 teams, Brave star's roster would be:Cyan, Hurricane and Dream Chivo should have soO, RagnaroK, the Chinese Taipei player ExpecT Dark is the merge of another 2 teams: Alpha X and Black Night, which has Armani, Chinese Daydreamer, and American Astrea who lives in Korea now. KaiZi is founded by 4 billionaire idiots who are also scboy's friends and one of them is also xiaose's cousin-in-law. A lot of people thought it was just a rich man's joke, but at last the team was founded as a serious team. The 4 idiots have a lot of money and I heard that they have contacted a lot of well known players including Innovation, TY and maybe Dark, but there isn't a lot of available players right now before the well known players' contract expire. I only heard that they have Bunny and Super right now.
Each group will play their own round robin. The offline playoff would be 5 teams (top 2 of each group, and the third of each group will play an additional match) as a KotH style.
More detail official information would be announced soon.
After the official information is given, the topic, "[2019] China Team Championship Season 2" will be created.
This is my first post in TL (I've only been following sc2 since f2p, I'm a pleb I know) so don't be to hard on me.
Xiaose knows this a lot better than me ofc, but since BlackNight hired SpeeD too, and they seemed to be very hyped about it, isn't more likely to be him playing instead of Astrea? I mean, Astrea is a very good player indeed, but I think he has to evolve a lot to beat koreans, which means he would only be able to beat chinese players and Daydreamer is probably not the right player to fight versus koreans.
Alpha X hired DynaMite too...I don't know a thing about him except that he is sharing an apartment with Dream, but I don't think he is at a good level yet. So my question is...what is Alpha X adding to BlackNight other than Astrea and maybe money?
Another thing is that maybe there aren't a lot of good koreans players without a team, but this is also an opportunity for some B grade Gm players maybe?
On July 29 2019 01:44 Tastyyyy wrote: This is my first post in TL (I've only been following sc2 since f2p, I'm a pleb I know) so don't be to hard on me.
Xiaose knows this a lot better than me ofc, but since BlackNight hired SpeeD too, and they seemed to be very hyped about it, isn't more likely to be him playing instead of Astrea? I mean, Astrea is a very good player indeed, but I think he has to evolve a lot to beat koreans, which means he would only be able to beat chinese players and Daydreamer is probably not the right player to fight versus koreans.
Alpha X hired DynaMite too...I don't know a thing about him except that he is sharing an apartment with Dream, but I don't think he is at a good level yet. So my question is...what is Alpha X adding to BlackNight other than Astrea and maybe money?
Another thing is that maybe there aren't a lot of good koreans players without a team, but this is also an opportunity for some B grade Gm players maybe?
Dynamite is around 6200~6300 on KR already, so he's in good shape
On July 29 2019 01:44 Tastyyyy wrote: This is my first post in TL (I've only been following sc2 since f2p, I'm a pleb I know) so don't be to hard on me.
Xiaose knows this a lot better than me ofc, but since BlackNight hired SpeeD too, and they seemed to be very hyped about it, isn't more likely to be him playing instead of Astrea? I mean, Astrea is a very good player indeed, but I think he has to evolve a lot to beat koreans, which means he would only be able to beat chinese players and Daydreamer is probably not the right player to fight versus koreans.
Alpha X hired DynaMite too...I don't know a thing about him except that he is sharing an apartment with Dream, but I don't think he is at a good level yet. So my question is...what is Alpha X adding to BlackNight other than Astrea and maybe money?
Another thing is that maybe there aren't a lot of good koreans players without a team, but this is also an opportunity for some B grade Gm players maybe?
You won't always have all your players available. Depth is nice.
For score comparisons: 2300 is around the level of Kelazhur, Namshar, or Parting, 2000 is Astrea, DRG, and Bomber, 1800 is Semper, Risky, or Probe, 1500 is HuT (Australian Terran), Bioice, or Rotti.
Zoun and Journey are doing some ladder, but maybe they're not trying to come back. Then there's Rookie, Prince and Gyulzing who might have a shot if teams need more players.
EPT
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I thought today was Tuesday.The NEXT will go on Wednesday.
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