On March 13 2019 22:01 MarianoSC2 wrote: Reynor is going to get roflstomped by Maru... Hoping for Neeb to turn it around so we at least have a series in the next round
Reynor came pretty close to beating Maru in Code S last year and he's looking strong now. Maru will win but I expect Reynor to put up a good fight
In the group, the last year Maru looked weak in all RO16/32 groups. Well, weaker than in play offs.
The this year Maru looks weak in 50% of his games, no matter when and where though
He hasn't been seen in playoffs this year. Last year he almost lost to guys like Zanster in GSL groups but put in the effort to smash guys like Dark/Stats/TY/Classic/Rogue etc when it reached playoffs
Lol he didn't exactly "smash" TY, did he? And that goes for a couple of others too. And as pointed out above it's only relevant for three Code S tournaments + WESG, he wasn't great in playoffs in any other tournament
"smashed" was a sweeping statement given he didn't lose to any player in the playoffs. Some matches were obviously closer than others but when you go 33-13 in maps and 9-0 in series during GSL playoffs (against sOs, Zest, Stats, Classic, Gumiho, TY, Dark, and Rogue) it's safe to say he fucking smashed it.
Compared to groups where he almost lost to Zanster, Reynor, Keen etc at least
Edit: as far as tournaments go he didn't really seem to try outside of Code S, Wesg, Katowice, and blizzcon. And he was good in playoffs of all of those except blizzcon. And even then it seemed like less his skill that he lost and more his strategic choices going in.
That wasn't what you wrote in the other post, but fair enough. And yes Maru was much better in Code S playoffs than group stages.
That doesn't change the fact that he was not amazing in any other tournament, except WESG. And the whole "Maru only loses when he doesn't take it seriously" is frankly just ridiculous.
I recall Maru playing pretty well in last year's IEM though. Actually: semi finals Katowice, RO8 in both super tournaments and semi finals in GSL vs the world. That is still pretty damned impressive and pretty consistent. There are basically 4 tournament play off losses for maru in an entire year. He lost twice to sOs, once to stats and once to Rogue.
Yeah, losing to the teammates you practice with and who know you the best on the planet, who would have thought And Stats who's just that good.
You do realize that this advantage applies to both Maru and his teammate right? If sOs/Trap can take advantage of Maru then he can do the same, which is why he beat sOs 3-2 in GSL and IEM
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
Blizzzcon-IEM-WESG are bigger then GSL not smaller?
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
Serral loses to soO at IEM- "Serral didn't look his best but that was really well played by soO"
Maru loses at IEM- "Maru doesn't take weekend tournaments seriously"
Oh Okay...
Serral loses to Inno - "That match didnt matter, he wasnt really taking it seriously, it was still close" Serral loses to soO - "Serral was better but made more mistakes, Serral wasnt outplayed at all it was just 1-2 more mistakes...etc." Serral loses to Neeb in the groupstage "He was sick !"
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
Blizzzcon-IEM-WESG are bigger then GSL not smaller?
Maybe Maru sees it differently as winning Code S(which is the hardest competition) on home soil > Blizzcon. Moneywise not, but reputation wise - most probably yeah.
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
BlizzCon and IEM, those irrelevant tournaments!
The only loss Serral suffered that might be due to him actually not trying is the online 0-3 against Neeb right before BlizzCon, his level of play in that tournament was really weird considering the godlike Starcraft he played shortly after; Serral had two korean Protoss in his group…
As for Serral's loss against Inno, I wouldn't say he did not try but it's a fact that the match became irrelevant after Serral won the first map; what I strongly adversed was the idea those losses necessarily implied Serral's lategame ZvT being bad and Inno being favored once the games reach this stage. Inno played better those last two maps and rightfully won ; it's to be seen if he can manage to do it on a regular basis.
Speaking of soO vs Serral, I said Serral might have even looked a little better than soO mechanically on average during the series(very onesided victories and one incredibly hard comeback almost taken home in g3); however, soO's decision making was better and he committed less errors, let alone devastating ones like Serral's utter fail into gg in g2, totally deserving his victory. I don't see how this opinion can be summarized into "Serral played better and no one knows how he lost".
The last one at WESG is pretty self explanatory: Serral might have been sick but that's not unlike not being in shape, Neeb won convincingly, gg to him.
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
BlizzCon and IEM, those irrelevant tournaments!
The only loss Serral suffered that might be due to him actually not trying is the online 0-3 against Neeb right before BlizzCon, his level of play in that tournament was really weird considering the godlike Starcraft he played shortly after; Serral had two korean Protoss in his group…
As for Serral's loss against Inno, I wouldn't say he did not try but it's a fact that the match became irrelevant after Serral won the first map; what I strongly adversed was the idea those losses necessarily implied Serral's lategame ZvT being bad and Inno being favored once the games reach this stage. Inno played better those last two maps and rightfully won ; it's to be seen if he can manage to do it on a regular basis.
Speaking of soO vs Serral, I said Serral might have even looked a little better than soO mechanically on average during the series(very onesided victories and one incredibly hard comeback almost taken home in g3); however, soO's decision making was better and he committed less errors, let alone devastating ones like Serral's utter fail into gg in g2, totally deserving his victory. I don't see how this opinion can be summarized into "Serral played better and no one knows how he lost".
The last one at WESG is pretty self explanatory: Serral might have been sick but that's not unlike not being in shape, Neeb won convincingly, gg to him.
Don't force your view on Maru. Winning a home tournament where everyone has the time to prepare may be more important than Blizzcon for him. Similarly to the Proleague title(which was valued very highly).
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
Blizzzcon-IEM-WESG are bigger then GSL not smaller?
On about super tournaments/GSL vs the world type of events. Not Katowice or blizzcon
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
BlizzCon and IEM, those irrelevant tournaments!
The only loss Serral suffered that might be due to him actually not trying is the online 0-3 against Neeb right before BlizzCon, his level of play in that tournament was really weird considering the godlike Starcraft he played shortly after; Serral had two korean Protoss in his group…
As for Serral's loss against Inno, I wouldn't say he did not try but it's a fact that the match became irrelevant after Serral won the first map; what I strongly adversed was the idea those losses necessarily implied Serral's lategame ZvT being bad and Inno being favored once the games reach this stage. Inno played better those last two maps and rightfully won ; it's to be seen if he can manage to do it on a regular basis.
Speaking of soO vs Serral, I said Serral might have even looked a little better than soO mechanically on average during the series(very onesided victories and one incredibly hard comeback almost taken home in g3); however, soO's decision making was better and he committed less errors, let alone devastating ones like Serral's utter fail into gg in g2, totally deserving his victory. I don't see how this opinion can be summarized into "Serral played better and no one knows how he lost".
The last one at WESG is pretty self explanatory: Serral might have been sick but that's not unlike not being in shape, Neeb won convincingly, gg to him.
Don't force your view on Maru. Winning a home tournament where everyone has the time to prepare may be more important than Blizzcon for him. Similarly to the Proleague title(which was valued very highly).
Reynor came pretty close to beating Maru in Code S last year and he's looking strong now. Maru will win but I expect Reynor to put up a good fight
In the group, the last year Maru looked weak in all RO16/32 groups. Well, weaker than in play offs.
The this year Maru looks weak in 50% of his games, no matter when and where though
He hasn't been seen in playoffs this year. Last year he almost lost to guys like Zanster in GSL groups but put in the effort to smash guys like Dark/Stats/TY/Classic/Rogue etc when it reached playoffs
Lol he didn't exactly "smash" TY, did he? And that goes for a couple of others too. And as pointed out above it's only relevant for three Code S tournaments + WESG, he wasn't great in playoffs in any other tournament
"smashed" was a sweeping statement given he didn't lose to any player in the playoffs. Some matches were obviously closer than others but when you go 33-13 in maps and 9-0 in series during GSL playoffs (against sOs, Zest, Stats, Classic, Gumiho, TY, Dark, and Rogue) it's safe to say he fucking smashed it.
Compared to groups where he almost lost to Zanster, Reynor, Keen etc at least
Edit: as far as tournaments go he didn't really seem to try outside of Code S, Wesg, Katowice, and blizzcon. And he was good in playoffs of all of those except blizzcon. And even then it seemed like less his skill that he lost and more his strategic choices going in.
That wasn't what you wrote in the other post, but fair enough. And yes Maru was much better in Code S playoffs than group stages.
That doesn't change the fact that he was not amazing in any other tournament, except WESG. And the whole "Maru only loses when he doesn't take it seriously" is frankly just ridiculous.
I recall Maru playing pretty well in last year's IEM though. Actually: semi finals Katowice, RO8 in both super tournaments and semi finals in GSL vs the world. That is still pretty damned impressive and pretty consistent. There are basically 4 tournament play off losses for maru in an entire year. He lost twice to sOs, once to stats and once to Rogue.
Yeah, losing to the teammates you practice with and who know you the best on the planet, who would have thought And Stats who's just that good.
You do realize that this advantage applies to both Maru and his teammate right? If sOs/Trap can take advantage of Maru then he can do the same, which is why he beat sOs 3-2 in GSL and IEM
Well the nature of PvT (especially the proxy meta at the time) generally relied on the terran catching the toss of guard and the toss winning by reacting properly to whatever proxy or allin the terran was doing. Having knowledge of your opponents builds and openings would probably favour the protoss in that case. sOs was literally probe scouting and finding Maru's proxy rax iirc
Especially in the case of sOs, possibly the best player at exploiting weaknesses in opponents builds that others don't see (good examples being his finals against herO, JD, or MKP, as well as the ro8 against Maru at blizzcon). I'd definitely argue that being teammates/practice partners/sharing ladder accounts is better for sOs than Maru.
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
BlizzCon and IEM, those irrelevant tournaments!
The only loss Serral suffered that might be due to him actually not trying is the online 0-3 against Neeb right before BlizzCon, his level of play in that tournament was really weird considering the godlike Starcraft he played shortly after; Serral had two korean Protoss in his group…
As for Serral's loss against Inno, I wouldn't say he did not try but it's a fact that the match became irrelevant after Serral won the first map; what I strongly adversed was the idea those losses necessarily implied Serral's lategame ZvT being bad and Inno being favored once the games reach this stage. Inno played better those last two maps and rightfully won ; it's to be seen if he can manage to do it on a regular basis.
Speaking of soO vs Serral, I said Serral might have even looked a little better than soO mechanically on average during the series(very onesided victories and one incredibly hard comeback almost taken home in g3); however, soO's decision making was better and he committed less errors, let alone devastating ones like Serral's utter fail into gg in g2, totally deserving his victory. I don't see how this opinion can be summarized into "Serral played better and no one knows how he lost".
The last one at WESG is pretty self explanatory: Serral might have been sick but that's not unlike not being in shape, Neeb won convincingly, gg to him.
Don't force your view on Maru. Winning a home tournament where everyone has the time to prepare may be more important than Blizzcon for him. Similarly to the Proleague title(which was valued very highly).
Edit> Also moar excuses about Serral loses
Except we know from his Signature Series video from this past year that Blizzcon means a great deal to him, so even if it does matter less than GSL, which is a claim that has yet to be substantiated, we still know that it was a tournament he took very seriously and tried to win.
EDIT: In his own words, "And I think a Blizzcon championship is absolutely necessary." Yeah, I think he cares about Blizzcon.
Yeah he cares about BlizzCon. And WESG I guess players see this as money making tournaments but barely relevant for legacy purposes, whereas BlizzCon is important both for money and legacy. GSL is mostly legacy and a bit of money.
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
BlizzCon and IEM, those irrelevant tournaments!
The only loss Serral suffered that might be due to him actually not trying is the online 0-3 against Neeb right before BlizzCon, his level of play in that tournament was really weird considering the godlike Starcraft he played shortly after; Serral had two korean Protoss in his group…
As for Serral's loss against Inno, I wouldn't say he did not try but it's a fact that the match became irrelevant after Serral won the first map; what I strongly adversed was the idea those losses necessarily implied Serral's lategame ZvT being bad and Inno being favored once the games reach this stage. Inno played better those last two maps and rightfully won ; it's to be seen if he can manage to do it on a regular basis.
Speaking of soO vs Serral, I said Serral might have even looked a little better than soO mechanically on average during the series(very onesided victories and one incredibly hard comeback almost taken home in g3); however, soO's decision making was better and he committed less errors, let alone devastating ones like Serral's utter fail into gg in g2, totally deserving his victory. I don't see how this opinion can be summarized into "Serral played better and no one knows how he lost".
The last one at WESG is pretty self explanatory: Serral might have been sick but that's not unlike not being in shape, Neeb won convincingly, gg to him.
Don't force your view on Maru. Winning a home tournament where everyone has the time to prepare may be more important than Blizzcon for him. Similarly to the Proleague title(which was valued very highly).
Edit> Also moar excuses about Serral loses
Except we know from his Signature Series video from this past year that Blizzcon means a great deal to him, so even if it does matter less than GSL, which is a claim that has yet to be substantiated, we still know that it was a tournament he took very seriously and tried to win.
EDIT: In his own words, "And I think a Blizzcon championship is absolutely necessary." Yeah, I think he cares about Blizzcon.
And he tried hjis best, but sOs knows him too well. We need an interview about those games and generally with Maru. But that would be bullying. (both parties, the interviewed and the interwier )
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
BlizzCon and IEM, those irrelevant tournaments!
The only loss Serral suffered that might be due to him actually not trying is the online 0-3 against Neeb right before BlizzCon, his level of play in that tournament was really weird considering the godlike Starcraft he played shortly after; Serral had two korean Protoss in his group…
As for Serral's loss against Inno, I wouldn't say he did not try but it's a fact that the match became irrelevant after Serral won the first map; what I strongly adversed was the idea those losses necessarily implied Serral's lategame ZvT being bad and Inno being favored once the games reach this stage. Inno played better those last two maps and rightfully won ; it's to be seen if he can manage to do it on a regular basis.
Speaking of soO vs Serral, I said Serral might have even looked a little better than soO mechanically on average during the series(very onesided victories and one incredibly hard comeback almost taken home in g3); however, soO's decision making was better and he committed less errors, let alone devastating ones like Serral's utter fail into gg in g2, totally deserving his victory. I don't see how this opinion can be summarized into "Serral played better and no one knows how he lost".
The last one at WESG is pretty self explanatory: Serral might have been sick but that's not unlike not being in shape, Neeb won convincingly, gg to him.
Don't force your view on Maru. Winning a home tournament where everyone has the time to prepare may be more important than Blizzcon for him. Similarly to the Proleague title(which was valued very highly).
Edit> Also moar excuses about Serral loses
These are not "moar excuses", it's a more detailed explanation of what I previously said since it was being indirectly quoted.
To see a true excuse you just have to read your own comments: implying that Maru would not prepare appropriately for BlizzCon because he preferred Code S; BlizzCon started five weeks after the end of Code S S3 and given Maru doesn't care of Super Tournaments(so you say) he decided not to train appropriately to waste almost 260k? Not a really smart decision, I'd say.
What if Maru cared for BlizzCon(as he openly stated) but panic proxied 24/7 because he was not sure how to face his teammate sOs in the matchup that already caused him to drop out of weekenders three times in 2018? Unfortunately for him that was exactly what sOs was expecting leading to the result we all know.
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"
People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.
Some people might have been saying that, and that wouldnt be true.
Serral did try to win, it was clear, I was watching the games. That being said, it was a meaningless series for Serral's point of view in regards to the tournament/ money. It wasnt meaningless for Inno, cuz aside from pride, he stood to win some prize money by placing a bit higher with even just the one series win.
These are facts, whatever else you may think or feel about the series, that s personal opinions. Like in my personal opinion, Serral valued the opportunity to practice lategame ZvT vs one of the best Terrans, something that he usually doesnt get to do. So instead of choosing another game-plan/ build for games 2 and 3, he was fine taking it ultra late, and testing himself against Inno's lategame strength. My guess is that if Serral's tournament life was on the line, after losing to Inno's lategame in g2, he would have had a gameplan focused on killin Inno earlier, maximizing his chance to qualify.
Now again, this last part is pure speculation, merely an opinion, but the fact remains, the results had no direct affect on Serral's tournament life, while it had direct affect on Inno's prize-money.
When reading these same tired arguments about Maru this and Serral that for the hundredth time, I just imagine the two of them taking shots every time their fans say something idiotic.
At the end they stagger out of the bar, leaning on each other, singing loudly, off-key and out of sync in Korean and Finnish.
On March 14 2019 03:33 pvsnp wrote: When reading these same tired arguments about Maru this and Serral that for the hundredth time, I just imagine the two of them taking shots every time their fans say something idiotic.
At the end they stagger out of the bar, leaning on each other, singing loudly, off-key and out of sync in Korean and Finnish.
Maybe do some shots yourself and go for some karaoke, god knows it seems like you need it
On March 14 2019 03:33 pvsnp wrote: When reading these same tired arguments about Maru this and Serral that for the hundredth time, I just imagine the two of them taking shots every time their fans say something idiotic.
At the end they stagger out of the bar, leaning on each other, singing loudly, off-key and out of sync in Korean and Finnish.
Maybe do some shots yourself and go for some karaoke, god knows it seems like you need it
On March 14 2019 03:33 pvsnp wrote: When reading these same tired arguments about Maru this and Serral that for the hundredth time, I just imagine the two of them taking shots every time their fans say something idiotic.
At the end they stagger out of the bar, leaning on each other, singing loudly, off-key and out of sync in Korean and Finnish.
Maybe do some shots yourself and go for some karaoke, god knows it seems like you need it
You buying?
Sure, if that will stop you from trying so desperately to crawl up on some high horse.
Not sure what s your deal, but in less than 24h that s your 2nd interjection (that i ve seen) when you're trying to score some points by positioning yourself "above" the discussions about Maru and Serral, by collectively judging any and all who have an opinion about Maru or Serral. You know, the 2 most popular players in SC2, on a forum about SC2. Yesterday with that anime reference, now with this bar-story fantasy.
No doubt you feel like it's the height of intellectual behavior, but it's just about the cringiest thing.
EPT
And Stats who's just that good.
