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WESG 2018 Grand Final - Playoffs Day 1 - Page 14

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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
March 13 2019 13:43 GMT
#261
On March 13 2019 00:47 Poopi wrote:
Predictions:

(P)MaNa 1-3 (Z)Serral
(Z)Dark 3-0 (Z)TooDming

(Z)SortOf 2-3 (P)DnS
(Z)Scarlett 3-2 (T)SpeCial

(T)Maru 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(P)Neeb 3-1 (Z)Reynor

So I am 6/6 about the winners, but 3 maps off from perfect scores. Not bad
WriterMaru
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7162 Posts
March 13 2019 13:44 GMT
#262
GG Neeb. That was... something.

Hope he survives long enough vs Maru to bring in his alter ego SuperNeeb again
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
March 13 2019 13:44 GMT
#263
bit harsh on the losers, they walk away with no prize money at all? I wonder if any of them decided beforehand to split at least a little bit
Year of MaxPax
FBTsingLoong
Profile Joined April 2018
China410 Posts
March 13 2019 13:45 GMT
#264
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb is so good.
TyInnoMaruByunAlive,TIMBA
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
March 13 2019 13:45 GMT
#265
On March 13 2019 22:40 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 22:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:30 Fango wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:24 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:07 Harris1st wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:05 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:03 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:01 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Reynor is going to get roflstomped by Maru... Hoping for Neeb to turn it around so we at least have a series in the next round


Reynor came pretty close to beating Maru in Code S last year and he's looking strong now. Maru will win but I expect Reynor to put up a good fight

In the group, the last year Maru looked weak in all RO16/32 groups. Well, weaker than in play offs.


The this year Maru looks weak in 50% of his games, no matter when and where though

He hasn't been seen in playoffs this year. Last year he almost lost to guys like Zanster in GSL groups but put in the effort to smash guys like Dark/Stats/TY/Classic/Rogue etc when it reached playoffs


Lol he didn't exactly "smash" TY, did he? And that goes for a couple of others too. And as pointed out above it's only relevant for three Code S tournaments + WESG, he wasn't great in playoffs in any other tournament

"smashed" was a sweeping statement given he didn't lose to any player in the playoffs. Some matches were obviously closer than others but when you go 33-13 in maps and 9-0 in series during GSL playoffs (against sOs, Zest, Stats, Classic, Gumiho, TY, Dark, and Rogue) it's safe to say he fucking smashed it.

Compared to groups where he almost lost to Zanster, Reynor, Keen etc at least

Edit: as far as tournaments go he didn't really seem to try outside of Code S, Wesg, Katowice, and blizzcon. And he was good in playoffs of all of those except blizzcon. And even then it seemed like less his skill that he lost and more his strategic choices going in.

That doesn't change the fact that he was not amazing in any other tournament, except WESG. And the whole "Maru only loses when he doesn't take it seriously" is frankly just ridiculous.

I didn't say he only loses when he doesn't take it seriously, but in the case of the smaller events like super tournaments it's clear he really didn't. He said himself he didn't practice for them and took the time as a break from Code S.


Yeah, well, I think there are lots of little 'buts' here and there that supposedly explain how Maru losing is not a sign of Maru any limits to him as a player but something else. Just like you just said Maru's loses were not about lack of skill but rather bad strategy. How in the world is strategy not a skill in a game like starcraft? We all know that this has been one of Maru's limitations as a player (although he seemed to improve a lot on this in 2018).
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7162 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-13 13:46:33
March 13 2019 13:45 GMT
#266
On March 12 2019 23:56 Harris1st wrote:
Time for some predictions:

(P)MaNa vs (Z)Serral 1:3
(Z)Dark vs (Z)TooDming 3:1
(Z)SortOf vs (P)DnS 2:3
(Z)Scarlett vs (T)SpeCial 3:1
(T)Maru vs (Z)Elazer 3:0
(P)Neeb vs (Z)Reynor 3:0
(P)PtitDrogo vs (Z)Lambo 3:1
(T)INnoVation vs (P)Rail 3:1



6/6 and 3 maps off as well :D
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
March 13 2019 13:46 GMT
#267
serral v dark and neeb v maru

dis gon b gud
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Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
March 13 2019 13:50 GMT
#268
On March 13 2019 22:36 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 22:30 Fango wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:24 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:07 Harris1st wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:05 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:03 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:01 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Reynor is going to get roflstomped by Maru... Hoping for Neeb to turn it around so we at least have a series in the next round


Reynor came pretty close to beating Maru in Code S last year and he's looking strong now. Maru will win but I expect Reynor to put up a good fight

In the group, the last year Maru looked weak in all RO16/32 groups. Well, weaker than in play offs.


The this year Maru looks weak in 50% of his games, no matter when and where though

He hasn't been seen in playoffs this year. Last year he almost lost to guys like Zanster in GSL groups but put in the effort to smash guys like Dark/Stats/TY/Classic/Rogue etc when it reached playoffs


Lol he didn't exactly "smash" TY, did he? And that goes for a couple of others too. And as pointed out above it's only relevant for three Code S tournaments + WESG, he wasn't great in playoffs in any other tournament

"smashed" was a sweeping statement given he didn't lose to any player in the playoffs. Some matches were obviously closer than others but when you go 33-13 in maps and 9-0 in series during GSL playoffs (against sOs, Zest, Stats, Classic, Gumiho, TY, Dark, and Rogue) it's safe to say he fucking smashed it.

Compared to groups where he almost lost to Zanster, Reynor, Keen etc at least

Edit: as far as tournaments go he didn't really seem to try outside of Code S, Wesg, Katowice, and blizzcon. And he was good in playoffs of all of those except blizzcon. And even then it seemed like less his skill that he lost and more his strategic choices going in.


That wasn't what you wrote in the other post, but fair enough. And yes Maru was much better in Code S playoffs than group stages.

That doesn't change the fact that he was not amazing in any other tournament, except WESG. And the whole "Maru only loses when he doesn't take it seriously" is frankly just ridiculous.

I recall Maru playing pretty well in last year's IEM though. Actually: semi finals Katowice, RO8 in both super tournaments and semi finals in GSL vs the world. That is still pretty damned impressive and pretty consistent. There are basically 4 tournament play off losses for maru in an entire year. He lost twice to sOs, once to stats and once to Rogue.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-13 13:52:41
March 13 2019 13:50 GMT
#269
On March 13 2019 22:45 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 22:40 Fango wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:30 Fango wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:24 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:07 Harris1st wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:05 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:03 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:01 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Reynor is going to get roflstomped by Maru... Hoping for Neeb to turn it around so we at least have a series in the next round


Reynor came pretty close to beating Maru in Code S last year and he's looking strong now. Maru will win but I expect Reynor to put up a good fight

In the group, the last year Maru looked weak in all RO16/32 groups. Well, weaker than in play offs.


The this year Maru looks weak in 50% of his games, no matter when and where though

He hasn't been seen in playoffs this year. Last year he almost lost to guys like Zanster in GSL groups but put in the effort to smash guys like Dark/Stats/TY/Classic/Rogue etc when it reached playoffs


Lol he didn't exactly "smash" TY, did he? And that goes for a couple of others too. And as pointed out above it's only relevant for three Code S tournaments + WESG, he wasn't great in playoffs in any other tournament

"smashed" was a sweeping statement given he didn't lose to any player in the playoffs. Some matches were obviously closer than others but when you go 33-13 in maps and 9-0 in series during GSL playoffs (against sOs, Zest, Stats, Classic, Gumiho, TY, Dark, and Rogue) it's safe to say he fucking smashed it.

Compared to groups where he almost lost to Zanster, Reynor, Keen etc at least

Edit: as far as tournaments go he didn't really seem to try outside of Code S, Wesg, Katowice, and blizzcon. And he was good in playoffs of all of those except blizzcon. And even then it seemed like less his skill that he lost and more his strategic choices going in.

That doesn't change the fact that he was not amazing in any other tournament, except WESG. And the whole "Maru only loses when he doesn't take it seriously" is frankly just ridiculous.

I didn't say he only loses when he doesn't take it seriously, but in the case of the smaller events like super tournaments it's clear he really didn't. He said himself he didn't practice for them and took the time as a break from Code S.


Yeah, well, I think there are lots of little 'buts' here and there that supposedly explain how Maru losing is not a sign of Maru any limits to him as a player but something else. Just like you just said Maru's loses were not about lack of skill but rather bad strategy. How in the world is strategy not a skill in a game like starcraft? We all know that this has been one of Maru's limitations as a player (although he seemed to improve a lot on this in 2018).

It was the way get chose to open with proxy rax every game that cost him at blizzcon. Which he have probably been decided before the games themselves started.

It's not like Maru's general strategic skills and build-making were that bad last year at all, he just chose to do openings that were completely unnecessary against sOs. But that seems like something that had nothing to do with skill/form/practice and more not understanding how he really rates against his teammate.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
March 13 2019 13:51 GMT
#270
On March 13 2019 22:44 Harris1st wrote:
GG Neeb. That was... something.

Hope he survives long enough vs Maru to bring in his alter ego SuperNeeb again


I feel like he has a chance if he can take the first map, otherwise he might go full Dark-tilt again
Year of MaxPax
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 13 2019 13:51 GMT
#271
On March 13 2019 22:50 Jerom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 22:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:30 Fango wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:24 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:22 Fango wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:07 Harris1st wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:05 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:03 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:01 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Reynor is going to get roflstomped by Maru... Hoping for Neeb to turn it around so we at least have a series in the next round


Reynor came pretty close to beating Maru in Code S last year and he's looking strong now. Maru will win but I expect Reynor to put up a good fight

In the group, the last year Maru looked weak in all RO16/32 groups. Well, weaker than in play offs.


The this year Maru looks weak in 50% of his games, no matter when and where though

He hasn't been seen in playoffs this year. Last year he almost lost to guys like Zanster in GSL groups but put in the effort to smash guys like Dark/Stats/TY/Classic/Rogue etc when it reached playoffs


Lol he didn't exactly "smash" TY, did he? And that goes for a couple of others too. And as pointed out above it's only relevant for three Code S tournaments + WESG, he wasn't great in playoffs in any other tournament

"smashed" was a sweeping statement given he didn't lose to any player in the playoffs. Some matches were obviously closer than others but when you go 33-13 in maps and 9-0 in series during GSL playoffs (against sOs, Zest, Stats, Classic, Gumiho, TY, Dark, and Rogue) it's safe to say he fucking smashed it.

Compared to groups where he almost lost to Zanster, Reynor, Keen etc at least

Edit: as far as tournaments go he didn't really seem to try outside of Code S, Wesg, Katowice, and blizzcon. And he was good in playoffs of all of those except blizzcon. And even then it seemed like less his skill that he lost and more his strategic choices going in.


That wasn't what you wrote in the other post, but fair enough. And yes Maru was much better in Code S playoffs than group stages.

That doesn't change the fact that he was not amazing in any other tournament, except WESG. And the whole "Maru only loses when he doesn't take it seriously" is frankly just ridiculous.

I recall Maru playing pretty well in last year's IEM though. Actually: semi finals Katowice, RO8 in both super tournaments and semi finals in GSL vs the world. That is still pretty damned impressive and pretty consistent. There are basically 4 tournament play off losses for maru in an entire year. He lost twice to sOs, once to stats and once to Rogue.

Yeah, losing to the teammates you practice with and who know you the best on the planet, who would have thought And Stats who's just that good.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7162 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-13 13:58:54
March 13 2019 13:58 GMT
#272
The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
warwee
Profile Joined September 2017
Canada6 Posts
March 13 2019 14:07 GMT
#273
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote:
The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest


hahhahaha
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
March 13 2019 14:32 GMT
#274
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote:
The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest


Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Amarillo Caballero
Profile Joined May 2014
United States72 Posts
March 13 2019 14:42 GMT
#275
On March 13 2019 23:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote:
The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest


Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?


Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"

Serral loses to soO at IEM- "Serral didn't look his best but that was really well played by soO"

Maru loses at IEM- "Maru doesn't take weekend tournaments seriously"
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
March 13 2019 14:44 GMT
#276
On March 13 2019 23:42 Amarillo Caballero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 23:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote:
The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest


Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?


Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"

Serral loses to soO at IEM- "Serral didn't look his best but that was really well played by soO"

Maru loses at IEM- "Maru doesn't take weekend tournaments seriously"

I've literally seen multiple people claim that Serral was playing better than soO but somehow lost.
WriterMaru
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
March 13 2019 14:50 GMT
#277
Wow that Neeb-Reynor match must have been sick...
Maru | Dark | Zest | Reynor | Scarlett
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-13 15:01:25
March 13 2019 15:00 GMT
#278
On March 13 2019 23:42 Amarillo Caballero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 23:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote:
The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest


Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?


Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"

Serral loses to soO at IEM- "Serral didn't look his best but that was really well played by soO"

Maru loses at IEM- "Maru doesn't take weekend tournaments seriously"

Serral loses to Inno - "he wasn't trying"
Serral loses to Neeb online before Blizzcon "he wasn't trying"
Serral loses to Neeb in the groupstage "it's because he was sick"
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 13 2019 15:01 GMT
#279
On March 13 2019 23:42 Amarillo Caballero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 23:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote:
The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest


Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses?


Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games"

People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week.

And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
March 13 2019 15:01 GMT
#280
On March 13 2019 23:50 Kimb3r wrote:
Wow that Neeb-Reynor match must have been sick...


A tale of two halves, unfortunately for reynor
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