EPTWESG 2018 Grand Final - Playoffs Day 1
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digmouse
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Poopi
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 MaNa 1-3  SerralDark 3-0 TooDmingSortOf 2-3 DnSScarlett 3-2  SpeCialMaru 3-1 ElazerNeeb 3-1 Reynor | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 13 2019 00:44 digmouse wrote: Six RO16 today, the last two tomorrow plus RO8. Weird I know. Is it confirmed there won't be games played on Friday? | ||
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digmouse
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On March 13 2019 00:48 Xain0n wrote: Is it confirmed there won't be games played on Friday? Yes one day break, they need to move broadcasting and player equipment to the stadium. | ||
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On March 13 2019 00:47 Poopi wrote: Predictions: MaNa 1-3 SerralDark 3-0 TooDmingSortOf 2-3 DnSScarlett 3-2 SpeCialMaru 3-1 ElazerNeeb 3-1 ReynorI agree with everything except I think toodming will win a game and I think special will only win one game | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 13 2019 00:44 digmouse wrote: Six RO16 today, the last two tomorrow plus RO8. Weird I know. Unintuitive schedule, but I guess it makes sense for time reasons. Half of Drogo/Lambo/Inno/Rail will play two matches in the same day, though. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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MaNa 1-3 SerralDark 3-0 TooDmingSortOf 3-2 DnSScarlett 3-1 SpeCialMaru 3-0 ElazerNeeb 3-1 Reynor | ||
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digmouse
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On March 13 2019 03:07 pvsnp wrote: Unintuitive schedule, but I guess it makes sense for time reasons. Half of Drogo/Lambo/Inno/Rail will play two matches in the same day, though. Which isn't a tall order for pros anyway, as long as they have enough rest between matches. | ||
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edit: lol | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 13 2019 16:16 Geo.Rion wrote: This was almost a flawless game from Mana right up until that fight story of my SC2 life, literally most of my mid game losses vs Zerg are like that | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 13 2019 16:16 AzAlexZ wrote: story of my SC2 life, literally most of my mid game losses vs Zerg are like that yea...it was like watching rich man's version of my games | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 13 2019 16:21 sudete wrote: mana had a real chance there if he had micro'd that fight just a bit better Protoss army is too difficult to control, especially against something like mid game Z it's why i switched to terran | ||
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starkiller123
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On March 13 2019 16:23 BerserkSword wrote: Protoss army is too difficult to control, especially against something like mid game Z it's why i switched to terran yeah as a terran player i love microing bio, theres a lot of it but its all pretty straight forward | ||
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pvsnp
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starkiller123
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On March 13 2019 16:30 pvsnp wrote: Serral looking pretty mortal today. careful you will bring out the Serral fanboys with posts like that | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 13 2019 16:30 pvsnp wrote: Serral looked pretty mortal in the last 3 weeks. Changed that for you | ||
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pvsnp
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He was definitely stronger at IEM, albeit not at 2018 levels. So far at WESG, yeah, pretty mortal. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 13 2019 16:26 starkiller123 wrote: yeah as a terran player i love microing bio, theres a lot of it but its all pretty straight forward bio micro is the coolest thing in sc2 imo even cooler than warp prism micro | ||
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starkiller123
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On March 13 2019 16:32 BerserkSword wrote: bio micro is the coolest thing in sc2 imo even cooler than warp prism micro its just so satisfying to do well, and then i always fat finger it and lose to massive storms or baneling connections | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 13 2019 16:32 pvsnp wrote: He was definitely stronger at IEM. So far at WESG, yeah. stronger than he is now, not compared to his normal form, although no one is immortal forever. + Show Spoiler + Apart from those 2 Marines, one Angry Zealot and that Zergling from Carbot SC2 | ||
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Dave4
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On March 13 2019 16:30 pvsnp wrote: Serral looking pretty mortal today–or rather he's not looking completely different from the first day, which is probably more worrying for his fans. He will probably win the tournament and then TL will award rank 1 power rank to Mana. | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 13 2019 16:34 starkiller123 wrote: ah wesg strikes back WESG guy came in late to work today | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 13 2019 16:34 starkiller123 wrote: ah wesg strikes back The Return of the WESG | ||
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sudete
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Durnuu
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starkiller123
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On March 13 2019 16:37 Durnuu wrote: Is Serral WASHED UP? patchzerg confirmed | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 13 2019 16:36 starkiller123 wrote: I will not insult wesg by connecting it to that abomination which is called The Last Jedi I applaud your sense of class, and I concur, The Last Jedi remains trash and should not be related to the greatness that is SC2 The patchzerg meme just never dies lol, but it's funny regardless of how much it is used | ||
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starkiller123
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On March 13 2019 16:37 AzAlexZ wrote: I applaud your sense of class, and I concur, The Last Jedi remains trash and should not be related to the greatness that is SC2 The patchzerg meme just never dies lol, but it's funny regardless of how much it is used some memes are just unkillable | ||
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Uberfather
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AzAlexZ
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'Still a better love story than Twilight' is my all time favorite | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 13 2019 16:40 Uberfather wrote: Hey fellow sc2 fans. Can anyone say what happened game 2 for those like me who missed it? Serral did a ling baneling rush, failed it, Mana ran into Serral with Soul Train and just killed him | ||
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Durnuu
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According to my criteria, Serral is the biggest patchzerg since Ziktomini | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 13 2019 16:42 Durnuu wrote: Wow what a terrible fight from MaNa tbf there was no way for it to be better, it was either Mana dragging it out and for bl's to show up, or take the immediate fight and hope for the best | ||
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starkiller123
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sudete
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Geo.Rion
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Slump confirmed | ||
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Uberfather
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On March 13 2019 16:41 AzAlexZ wrote: Serral did a ling baneling rush, failed it, Mana ran into Serral with Soul Train and just killed him Thanks | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 13 2019 16:42 Durnuu wrote: Wow what a terrible fight from MaNa It's kind of the reason why Serral is Serral: It is incredible hard to take good fights vs him | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 13 2019 16:42 AzAlexZ wrote: tbf there was no way for it to be better, it was either Mana dragging it out and for bl's to show up, or take the immediate fight and hope for the best Fair point, but he still could have had in templars behind his units rather than on the side, waiting for banelings to kill them  | ||
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Durnuu
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"Why is Serral taking his headset off and rubbing his hair?" | ||
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deacon.frost
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On March 13 2019 16:45 Durnuu wrote: Top 10 questions science can't answer: "Why is Serral taking his headset off and rubbing his hair?" Some headsets are pretty annoying. | ||
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RaFox17
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On March 13 2019 16:45 Durnuu wrote: Top 10 questions science can't answer: "Why is Serral taking his headset off and rubbing his hair?" Clear sign of a slump. | ||
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starkiller123
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nawe if Wolf taught me anything its that serral is tilted | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 13 2019 16:59 starkiller123 wrote: Serral wins 3-1 but a really unimpressive series from him, idk if would win with this play vs a better protoss Fortunately for him, those are a bit scarce at WESG. Dark might have something to say about Serral's form though. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On March 13 2019 16:59 starkiller123 wrote: Serral wins 3-1 but a really unimpressive series from him, idk if would win with this play vs a better protoss Fortunately for him, it's probably nothing but ZvZ until the finals now | ||
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MarianoSC2
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pvsnp
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On March 13 2019 17:16 HolydaKing wrote: Didn't see the first 2 maps, map 3 he didn't really look dominant but he crushed the attacks of Mana which was nice to see. Game 4 however he was pretty dominant. Game 1 Mana had a solid lead until he threw it all away with a horrible fight. Game 2 Serral failed a bane bust. | ||
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RaFox17
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On March 13 2019 17:23 pvsnp wrote: Did I miss something or did the game just jump like 3 mins into the future? I think it did. I was wondering the same. | ||
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MarianoSC2
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deacon.frost
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On March 13 2019 17:25 MarianoSC2 wrote: Didnt Toodming detonate a bane on his own roaches? :D Roaches needed spanking  | ||
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HolydaKing
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On March 13 2019 17:21 Durnuu wrote: Dark not going 13/12? Is he in a slump? Saving the strats for Serral. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On March 13 2019 17:38 -NegativeZero- wrote: the pain of the bane is mostly in the main Toodming better stay in his lane | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 13 2019 17:38 -NegativeZero- wrote: the pain of the bane is mostly in the main As far as Rapid goes, that's actually pretty good. | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 12 2019 23:56 Harris1st wrote: Time for some predictions: MaNa vs Serral 1:3Dark vs TooDming 3:1SortOf vs DnS 2:3Scarlett vs SpeCial 3:1Maru vs Elazer 3:0Neeb vs Reynor 3:0PtitDrogo vs Lambo 3:1INnoVation vs Rail 3:1So far so good | ||
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Geo.Rion
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unless we re watching different streams, this Dark series gonna be a 3-0 | ||
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D-light
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If only TooDming didn't make some horrible decisions in this game he could've take a game. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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ruined by the Darkness | ||
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pvsnp
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Serral vs Dark tomorrow should be interesting, considering neither of them looks bulletproof right now. | ||
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MarianoSC2
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Then moved across the rest of his roach army and GG | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 13 2019 17:50 Geo.Rion wrote: unless we re watching different streams, this Dark series gonna be a 3-0 Ah well. Thought Toodming could cheese one through  | ||
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Poopi
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Let’s see if DnS 3-2 SortOf | ||
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Geo.Rion
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After double failed double prism harass DNS won? | ||
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AzAlexZ
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no ling speed for SortOf; unnecessary attack from DnS | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 13 2019 18:29 Geo.Rion wrote: Ok, so anyone knows what the hell happened? After double failed double prism harass DNS won? Lol I thought Sortof won that for sure | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 13 2019 17:15 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow Serral in a huge slump... Dropping a map against Mana, wtf? :O That's the median outcome on Aligulac, not to mention Serral lost two games to Mana at WCS Austin last year;also, Mana 2-0d Lambo yesterday Serral's level of play is worrisome, instead. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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SO MANY BANELINGS | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 13 2019 18:28 Poopi wrote: I got the first two series right down to map score. Let’s see if DnS 3-2 SortOf I have the same. Fingers crossed | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Deviating. Sortof pulls the 3-0 comeback! edit: damn | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 13 2019 19:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Deviating. Sortof pulls the 3-0 comeback! I dunno kev, he looks kinda down | ||
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Poopi
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On March 13 2019 00:47 Poopi wrote: Predictions: MaNa 1-3 SerralDark 3-0 TooDmingSortOf 2-3 DnSScarlett 3-2 SpeCialMaru 3-1 ElazerNeeb 3-1 ReynorAm I becoming the GOAT of predictions? :D | ||
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Elmonti
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That must be heartbreaking, from winning 5k to go home with empty pockets... | ||
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HolydaKing
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On March 13 2019 19:15 Elmonti wrote: That must be heartbreaking, from winning 5k to go home with empty pockets... Just realized DnS and SortOF are on the same team. | ||
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deacon.frost
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Wait for Elazer cheesing his way to glorious fail against Neeb | ||
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On March 13 2019 19:15 Elmonti wrote: Poor Sortof That must be heartbreaking, from winning 5k to go home with empty pockets... Yup, after such a solid tournament overall and not having much success in a while it's a bit of a shame. | ||
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On March 13 2019 19:17 D-light wrote: Yup, after such a solid tournament overall and not having much success in a while it's a bit of a shame. That's the risk though with top heavy tournaments. Gotta have that killer mentality | ||
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sneakyfox
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With this Serral slump I really think we gotta start considering if 'patchzerg' is more fact than meme | ||
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On March 13 2019 19:39 Harris1st wrote: god I hate working. I miss everything. How did game 1 end? nydus fatality | ||
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On March 13 2019 19:52 TrashEconomy wrote: What was the logic behind buffing Nydus all-ins... To give every Zerg that special feeling of being a top Terran microing seven drops flawlessly at the same time | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 13 2019 19:21 sneakyfox wrote: Damn, Serral dropped another map huh? He must be praising his luck that Stats and Zest aren't in this tournament now. With this Serral slump I really think we gotta start considering if 'patchzerg' is more fact than meme Fact says he is more akin to a Bonjwa than a patchzerg. Note that I am saying he is NOT either of these. Again, dropping maps to Mana isn't especially bad; Zest, who played terribily against soO, should scare Serral more than Neeb who is at WESG? | ||
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I want dat purple stuff | ||
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Tsubbi
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On March 13 2019 20:17 Geo.Rion wrote: missed the first 2 games, were they also early cheeses? first game was hellion banshee pressure where special lost 10 hellions in total for 3 drones, scarlett got to 66 drones and killed him easily with roaches and nydus second game was special losing his reaper to a queen and scarlett went for a 2 base early nydus which killed almost all scvs, special gged after scarlett held the counter easily | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 12 2019 23:56 Harris1st wrote: Time for some predictions: MaNa vs Serral 1:3Dark vs TooDming 3:1SortOf vs DnS 2:3Scarlett vs SpeCial 3:1Maru vs Elazer 3:0Neeb vs Reynor 3:0PtitDrogo vs Lambo 3:1INnoVation vs Rail 3:1Besides the one cheesy win I gave TooDming pretty much on point :D | ||
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On March 13 2019 20:33 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Look into her eyes when you shake her hands...damn Special's just not a ladies man. yeah that's no gentleman's behaviour!! So I need Maru and Neeb to win to cash out... come on guys! | ||
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Soke
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On March 13 2019 20:33 Fango wrote: What happened in the 4th game? Scarlett proxy hatch, special held but he couldn’t get his second cc up that was on the low ground, so he had to cancel that one. Game normalized from that point on but Spefial couldn’t really get damage done and Scarlett went for a on-time hive after starting the game proxy hatching, so it was early relative to the game state. She was up on upgrades and got ultras out, held the pushes then killed him with an ultra attack. It was honestly a pretty good game, probably the best of the series. | ||
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William paradise
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On March 13 2019 20:32 Harris1st wrote: Besides the one cheesy win I gave TooDming pretty much on point :D las vegas time? | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 13 2019 20:33 Fango wrote: What happened in the 4th game? Proxy hatchery rush by Scarlett, Special couldnt quite finish the CC in his natural, so had to cancel, and lost some scvs/mining time. Scarlett saw she cant break the highground cuz there was a bunker in position and the 1st siegetank came out, so she pulled back and transitioned into normal-ish ZvT, with an eco advantage. Closed it out with roach-ravager-baneling, and some corruptors | ||
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On March 13 2019 20:33 Fango wrote: What happened in the 4th game? Proxy hatch ravager on the path that connects the natural and 3rd on king's cove cancels low ground CC with 5-10 seconds left. Special holds but is behind, has to clear tons of creep. Decides to go bio, pushes with 3-4 tanks, scans banelings morphing barely out of range of his tanks, decides to attack the nearby 4th, marines are not very well positioned and not split when zerg charges forward, they all melt to banelings and tanks are overrun, the game continues for a little while but special is basically dead from scarlet not having to worry about anything major hitting her 4th for a good 2-3 minutes. | ||
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watchlulu
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On March 13 2019 20:47 IshinShishi wrote: Hmm they need to take a look at the nydus, when tier 59 players can beat the likes of maru and other zergs spam it theres something wrong. I agree, and I'm even a Zerg Player :D -> Maybe that's because I almost never play Nydus and it's annoying in ZvZ as well  | ||
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On March 13 2019 20:34 Kimb3r wrote: yeah that's no gentleman's behaviour!! So I need Maru and Neeb to win to cash out... come on guys! Are you seriously betting money on Starcraft? If so, can you PM me where? I don't trust shady Chinese betting sites | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 13 2019 20:48 watchlulu wrote: I agree, and I'm even a Zerg Player :D -> Maybe that's because I almost never play Nydus and it's annoying in ZvZ as well I predict Nydus in every game from Elazer vs Maru xD | ||
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On March 13 2019 20:50 Harris1st wrote: I predict Nydus in every game from Elazer vs Maru xD and you ve already lost :D But yeah, Nydus nerf is coming, it's in the community update | ||
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Kimb3r
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Does anybody know how Neeb played against Serral? How did Neeb win? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On March 13 2019 20:47 IshinShishi wrote: Hmm they need to take a look at the nydus, when tier 59 players can beat the likes of maru and other zergs spam it theres something wrong. Hope we keep it a little longer. Enjoying the tears: | ||
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RaFox17
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Edit: Elazer is playing really poorly. | ||
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On March 13 2019 20:48 watchlulu wrote: I agree, and I'm even a Zerg Player :D -> Maybe that's because I almost never play Nydus and it's annoying in ZvZ as well the nydus was never a tool for proxy but right after Dayvie stepped down the balance team seems to have given up the ideal to make it viable pass early game | ||
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On March 13 2019 21:00 Durnuu wrote: The winrate of 2rax/3rax vs zerg in tournaments has to be absolutely insane. I never see this strategy lose. It has always been insane, no? | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 13 2019 21:00 Durnuu wrote: The winrate of 2rax/3rax vs zerg in tournaments has to be absolutely insane. I never see this strategy lose. I bet it's higher for 3rax; it loses sometimes. Elazer is playing out of his mind, I'd say. | ||
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Poopi
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Poor Elazer getting bodied Hopefully Maru manages to close it out 3-0, I can't stand losses vs inferior competition anymore from Maru after the disastrous IEM and shaky GSL | ||
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seemsgood
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bunker build time nerf icm | ||
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RaFox17
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On March 13 2019 21:02 Poopi wrote: Maru is really a class above Poor Elazer getting bodied Hopefully Maru manages to close it out 3-0, I can't stand losses vs inferior competition anymore from Maru after the disastrous IEM and shaky GSL Poor Elazer playing really badly. Terrible control and no scouting in the first game. | ||
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Poopi
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On March 13 2019 21:03 RaFox17 wrote: Poor Elazer playing really badly. Terrible control and no scouting in the first game. Well it's Elazer not Serral, what did you expect? | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Remember the shield battery-immortal push? I ve seen it win in official games a lot, and lose like once maybe twice, yet it went away completly | ||
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RaFox17
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On March 13 2019 21:03 Poopi wrote: Well it's Elazer not Serral, what did you expect? ou dont have to be Serral to do basic stuff | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 13 2019 21:02 Poopi wrote: Maru is really a class above Poor Elazer getting bodied Hopefully Maru manages to close it out 3-0, I can't stand losses vs inferior competition anymore from Maru after the disastrous IEM and shaky GSL Maru IS a class above Elazer; those games don't show this fact appropriately, Elazer is just not even trying to play them. You forgot to mention something about Maru's WESG path, tho; is MeomaikA suddenly at Maru's level? | ||
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seemsgood
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On March 13 2019 21:03 Geo.Rion wrote: Remember the shield battery-immortal push? I ve seen it win in official games a lot, and lose like once maybe twice, yet it went away completly people tend to get caught of guard against underused builds i wont be surpised if proxy BCs still manage to win | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 13 2019 21:03 Geo.Rion wrote: Remember the shield battery-immortal push? I ve seen it win in official games a lot, and lose like once maybe twice, yet it went away completly because it was figured out. ravagers + hatchery in protoss natural | ||
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Gg Maru, now you'll have to face Neeb and it'll be hella difficult. At least it's in China and not Europe | ||
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If he beats Neeb I`m still not happy, though choice who to root for here. | ||
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On March 13 2019 21:34 travis wrote: i notice he 3-1'd, but how did serral look vs mana? Game 1 is probably the most relevant. Mana kinda read him like a book, he scouted/predicted all his movements and tech-switches, and built up an army -without taking any damage in the early midgame.- that should have knocked Serral out, But Serral did manage to make a very good flank with banelings and stuff, mostly on creep, and wiped out the superior army, and it was straight win from there. Game 2 was a failed ling-bling bust by Serral, not much to investigate there. Game 3 and 4 looked pretty much as you would expect, Serral playing better than Mana from start to finish. Though he did show a bit of sloppiness here and there, like he had 6 drones on a gas geyser for most of the game. Overall, i think he s in good enough shape, but looks beatable. Edit: phrasing | ||
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sneakyfox
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Reynor v Maru will be fun | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 13 2019 21:49 sneakyfox wrote: So Reynor v Maru will be fun it's just game one, calm down. Uncharacteristically bad game from Neeb, but he can pull himself together | ||
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On March 13 2019 21:50 Geo.Rion wrote: it's just game one, calm down. Uncharacteristically bad game from Neeb, but he can pull himself together You were saying? | ||
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Xain0n
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Man, calling series after the first game is such a bad habit. Reynor is up 2-0 and it's very likely he'll win but that's far from granted. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 13 2019 22:01 MarianoSC2 wrote: Reynor is going to get roflstomped by Maru... Hoping for Neeb to turn it around so we at least have a series in the next round Reynor came pretty close to beating Maru in Code S last year and he's looking strong now. Maru will win but I expect Reynor to put up a good fight | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:03 sneakyfox wrote: Reynor came pretty close to beating Maru in Code S last year and he's looking strong now. Maru will win but I expect Reynor to put up a good fight In the group, the last year Maru looked weak in all RO16/32 groups. Well, weaker than in play offs. Edit> Although I can see Reynor winning as Maru looked pretty weak in the past(not today). Also Neeb > Maru and if Reynor > Neeb we have Reynor > Maru | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 13 2019 22:05 deacon.frost wrote: In the group, the last year Maru looked weak in all RO16/32 groups. Well, weaker than in play offs. Yeah but we can't just conclude that Maru is shaky in groups and gets auto-wins in playoffs. Remember sOs at Blizzcon? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6929 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:05 deacon.frost wrote: In the group, the last year Maru looked weak in all RO16/32 groups. Well, weaker than in play offs. The this year Maru looks weak in 50% of his games, no matter when and where though | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:06 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah but we can't just conclude that Maru is shaky in groups and gets auto-wins in playoffs. Remember sOs at Blizzcon? Check my edit, I actually can see Maru being shaky. Also I believe this play off rule applies to Code S. On March 13 2019 22:07 Harris1st wrote: The this year Maru looks weak in 50% of his games, no matter when and where though Isn't this the first play off he's in? But anyway, it's Elazer, no offense to him, but Reynor should be better, or not? | ||
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Nakajin
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On March 13 2019 22:07 deacon.frost wrote: Check my edit, I actually can see Maru being shaky. Also I believe this play off rule applies to Code S. Isn't this the first play off he's in? But anyway, it's Elazer, no offense to him, but Reynor should be better, or not? Not really, different style tho. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6929 Posts
I think Maru is the favorite vs both Neeb and Reynor. But nowhere near the way he swept Elazer | ||
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On March 13 2019 22:15 Harris1st wrote: Neeb bringing the heat! I think Maru is the favorite vs both Neeb and Reynor. But nowhere near the way he swept Elazer I would say that Maru is clear favorite against Reynor, but his TvP looked shaky and Neeb was looking hot at IEM, so in my view it's 40-40 equal chance. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:07 Harris1st wrote: The this year Maru looks weak in 50% of his games, no matter when and where though He hasn't been seen in playoffs this year. Last year he almost lost to guys like Zanster in GSL groups but put in the effort to smash guys like Dark/Stats/TY/Classic/Rogue etc when it reached playoffs | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
I love these guys. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 13 2019 22:22 Fango wrote: He hasn't been seen in playoffs this year. Last year he almost lost to guys like Zanster in GSL groups but put in the effort to smash guys like Dark/Stats/TY/Classic/Rogue etc when it reached playoffs Lol he didn't exactly "smash" TY, did he? And that goes for a couple of others too. And as pointed out above it's only relevant for three Code S tournaments + WESG, he wasn't great in playoffs in any other tournament | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:24 sneakyfox wrote: Lol he didn't exactly "smash" TY, did he? And that goes for a couple of others too. And as pointed out above it's only relevant for three Code S tournaments + WESG, he wasn't great in playoffs in any other tournament He won while using his BO in the last game, I would call it master trolling | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote: "It's a pretty nice fight, but we have to ask ourselves, is this just too much Probes?" I love these guys. He said too much protoss not too much probes^^ | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15958 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:27 Nebuchad wrote: He said too much protoss not too much probes^^ Pretty sure I heard too much probes too | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
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On March 13 2019 22:27 Nebuchad wrote: He said too much protoss not too much probes^^ I liked it better the way I heard it, what with the Probes overrunning the Hydralisks . | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Still hoping for Neeb to show a solid last game and advance because Reynor looks to be in a bad shape overall and he would just get embarassed by Maru... | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:24 sneakyfox wrote: Lol he didn't exactly "smash" TY, did he? And that goes for a couple of others too. And as pointed out above it's only relevant for three Code S tournaments + WESG, he wasn't great in playoffs in any other tournament "smashed" was a sweeping statement given he didn't lose to any player in the playoffs. Some matches were obviously closer than others but when you go 33-13 in maps and 9-0 in series during GSL playoffs (against sOs, Zest, Stats, Classic, Gumiho, TY, Dark, and Rogue) it's safe to say he fucking smashed it. Compared to groups where he almost lost to Zanster, Reynor, Keen etc at least Edit: as far as tournaments go he didn't really seem to try outside of Code S, Wesg, Katowice, and blizzcon. And he was good in playoffs of all of those except blizzcon. And even then it seemed like less his skill that he lost and more his strategic choices going in. | ||
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Heartland
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Durnuu
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On March 13 2019 22:35 Heartland wrote: Is this the last game of the day? Yes. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 13 2019 22:30 Fango wrote: "smashed" was a sweeping statement given he didn't lose to any player in the playoffs. Some matches were obviously closer than others but when you go 33-13 in maps and 9-0 in series during GSL playoffs (against sOs, Zest, Stats, Classic, Gumiho, TY, Dark, and Rogue) it's safe to say he fucking smashed it. Compared to groups where he almost lost to Zanster, Reynor, Keen etc at least Edit: as far as tournaments go he didn't really seem to try outside of Code S, Wesg, Katowice, and blizzcon. And he was good in playoffs of all of those except blizzcon. And even then it seemed like less his skill that he lost and more his strategic choices going in. That wasn't what you wrote in the other post, but fair enough. And yes Maru was much better in Code S playoffs than group stages. That doesn't change the fact that he was not amazing in any other tournament, except WESG. And the whole "Maru only loses when he doesn't take it seriously" is frankly just ridiculous. | ||
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Heartland
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Fango
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On March 13 2019 22:36 sneakyfox wrote: That doesn't change the fact that he was not amazing in any other tournament, except WESG. And the whole "Maru only loses when he doesn't take it seriously" is frankly just ridiculous. I didn't say he only loses when he doesn't take it seriously, but in the case of the smaller events like super tournaments it's clear he really didn't. He said himself he didn't practice for them and took the time as a break from Code S. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:37 Charoisaur wrote: tough news for Maru. Don't think he can beat Neeb. Hmm, believe you must! On March 13 2019 22:40 Fango wrote: I didn't say he only loses when he doesn't take it seriously, but in the case of the smaller events like super tournaments it's clear he really didn't. He said himself he didn't practice for them and took the time as a break from Code S. Considering the JAGW is the only real team left - they have a team strategy for sure. Maru was a clear Blizzcon attendee, maybe he received an order to train with others to try to thelp them to achieve the Blizzcon. I mean - when the sOs was on line it appeared that everyone was trying to stop Solar as their XvZ was astonishing and everything else looked unimpressive(to say the least) | ||
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Poopi
France12880 Posts
On March 13 2019 00:47 Poopi wrote: Predictions: MaNa 1-3 SerralDark 3-0 TooDmingSortOf 2-3 DnSScarlett 3-2 SpeCialMaru 3-1 ElazerNeeb 3-1 ReynorSo I am 6/6 about the winners, but 3 maps off from perfect scores. Not bad | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6929 Posts
Hope he survives long enough vs Maru to bring in his alter ego SuperNeeb again | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 13 2019 22:40 Fango wrote: I didn't say he only loses when he doesn't take it seriously, but in the case of the smaller events like super tournaments it's clear he really didn't. He said himself he didn't practice for them and took the time as a break from Code S. Yeah, well, I think there are lots of little 'buts' here and there that supposedly explain how Maru losing is not a sign of Maru any limits to him as a player but something else. Just like you just said Maru's loses were not about lack of skill but rather bad strategy. How in the world is strategy not a skill in a game like starcraft? We all know that this has been one of Maru's limitations as a player (although he seemed to improve a lot on this in 2018). | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6929 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:56 Harris1st wrote: Time for some predictions: MaNa vs Serral 1:3Dark vs TooDming 3:1SortOf vs DnS 2:3Scarlett vs SpeCial 3:1Maru vs Elazer 3:0Neeb vs Reynor 3:0PtitDrogo vs Lambo 3:1INnoVation vs Rail 3:16/6 and 3 maps off as well :D | ||
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BerserkSword
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Jerom
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On March 13 2019 22:36 sneakyfox wrote: That wasn't what you wrote in the other post, but fair enough. And yes Maru was much better in Code S playoffs than group stages. That doesn't change the fact that he was not amazing in any other tournament, except WESG. And the whole "Maru only loses when he doesn't take it seriously" is frankly just ridiculous. I recall Maru playing pretty well in last year's IEM though. Actually: semi finals Katowice, RO8 in both super tournaments and semi finals in GSL vs the world. That is still pretty damned impressive and pretty consistent. There are basically 4 tournament play off losses for maru in an entire year. He lost twice to sOs, once to stats and once to Rogue. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:45 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah, well, I think there are lots of little 'buts' here and there that supposedly explain how Maru losing is not a sign of Maru any limits to him as a player but something else. Just like you just said Maru's loses were not about lack of skill but rather bad strategy. How in the world is strategy not a skill in a game like starcraft? We all know that this has been one of Maru's limitations as a player (although he seemed to improve a lot on this in 2018). It was the way get chose to open with proxy rax every game that cost him at blizzcon. Which he have probably been decided before the games themselves started. It's not like Maru's general strategic skills and build-making were that bad last year at all, he just chose to do openings that were completely unnecessary against sOs. But that seems like something that had nothing to do with skill/form/practice and more not understanding how he really rates against his teammate. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:44 Harris1st wrote: GG Neeb. That was... something. Hope he survives long enough vs Maru to bring in his alter ego SuperNeeb again I feel like he has a chance if he can take the first map, otherwise he might go full Dark-tilt again | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:50 Jerom wrote: I recall Maru playing pretty well in last year's IEM though. Actually: semi finals Katowice, RO8 in both super tournaments and semi finals in GSL vs the world. That is still pretty damned impressive and pretty consistent. There are basically 4 tournament play off losses for maru in an entire year. He lost twice to sOs, once to stats and once to Rogue. Yeah, losing to the teammates you practice with and who know you the best on the planet, who would have thought And Stats who's just that good. | ||
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warwee
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On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest hahhahaha | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:58 Harris1st wrote: The amount of excuses made up for Maru's loses is now officially higher than Mount Everest Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses? | ||
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Amarillo Caballero
United States72 Posts
On March 13 2019 23:32 MarianoSC2 wrote: Do you think its even higher then the amount of bullcrap with which serral fans try to justify serral loses? Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games" Serral loses to soO at IEM- "Serral didn't look his best but that was really well played by soO" Maru loses at IEM- "Maru doesn't take weekend tournaments seriously" | ||
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Poopi
France12880 Posts
On March 13 2019 23:42 Amarillo Caballero wrote: Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games" Serral loses to soO at IEM- "Serral didn't look his best but that was really well played by soO" Maru loses at IEM- "Maru doesn't take weekend tournaments seriously" I've literally seen multiple people claim that Serral was playing better than soO but somehow lost. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On March 13 2019 23:42 Amarillo Caballero wrote: Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games" Serral loses to soO at IEM- "Serral didn't look his best but that was really well played by soO" Maru loses at IEM- "Maru doesn't take weekend tournaments seriously" Serral loses to Inno - "he wasn't trying" Serral loses to Neeb online before Blizzcon "he wasn't trying" Serral loses to Neeb in the groupstage "it's because he was sick" | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 13 2019 23:42 Amarillo Caballero wrote: Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games" People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week. And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On March 13 2019 23:50 Kimb3r wrote: Wow that Neeb-Reynor match must have been sick... A tale of two halves, unfortunately for reynor | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:51 deacon.frost wrote: Yeah, losing to the teammates you practice with and who know you the best on the planet, who would have thought And Stats who's just that good.You do realize that this advantage applies to both Maru and his teammate right? If sOs/Trap can take advantage of Maru then he can do the same, which is why he beat sOs 3-2 in GSL and IEM | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:01 Fango wrote: People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week. And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break. Blizzzcon-IEM-WESG are bigger then GSL not smaller? | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 13 2019 23:42 Amarillo Caballero wrote: Yes, much much higher. I have never once seen anyone claim that "Serral doesn't try in xxx games" Serral loses to soO at IEM- "Serral didn't look his best but that was really well played by soO" Maru loses at IEM- "Maru doesn't take weekend tournaments seriously" Oh Okay... Serral loses to Inno - "That match didnt matter, he wasnt really taking it seriously, it was still close" Serral loses to soO - "Serral was better but made more mistakes, Serral wasnt outplayed at all it was just 1-2 more mistakes...etc." Serral loses to Neeb in the groupstage "He was sick !" LOL | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:08 Nakajin wrote: Blizzzcon-IEM-WESG are bigger then GSL not smaller? Maybe Maru sees it differently as winning Code S(which is the hardest competition) on home soil > Blizzcon. Moneywise not, but reputation wise - most probably yeah. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:01 Fango wrote: People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week. And it's not just Maru's fans saying it either. It started because Maru himself said he didn't practice for the smaller events and took them as a break. BlizzCon and IEM, those irrelevant tournaments! The only loss Serral suffered that might be due to him actually not trying is the online 0-3 against Neeb right before BlizzCon, his level of play in that tournament was really weird considering the godlike Starcraft he played shortly after; Serral had two korean Protoss in his group… As for Serral's loss against Inno, I wouldn't say he did not try but it's a fact that the match became irrelevant after Serral won the first map; what I strongly adversed was the idea those losses necessarily implied Serral's lategame ZvT being bad and Inno being favored once the games reach this stage. Inno played better those last two maps and rightfully won ; it's to be seen if he can manage to do it on a regular basis. Speaking of soO vs Serral, I said Serral might have even looked a little better than soO mechanically on average during the series(very onesided victories and one incredibly hard comeback almost taken home in g3); however, soO's decision making was better and he committed less errors, let alone devastating ones like Serral's utter fail into gg in g2, totally deserving his victory. I don't see how this opinion can be summarized into "Serral played better and no one knows how he lost". The last one at WESG is pretty self explanatory: Serral might have been sick but that's not unlike not being in shape, Neeb won convincingly, gg to him. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:24 Xain0n wrote: BlizzCon and IEM, those irrelevant tournaments! The only loss Serral suffered that might be due to him actually not trying is the online 0-3 against Neeb right before BlizzCon, his level of play in that tournament was really weird considering the godlike Starcraft he played shortly after; Serral had two korean Protoss in his group… As for Serral's loss against Inno, I wouldn't say he did not try but it's a fact that the match became irrelevant after Serral won the first map; what I strongly adversed was the idea those losses necessarily implied Serral's lategame ZvT being bad and Inno being favored once the games reach this stage. Inno played better those last two maps and rightfully won ; it's to be seen if he can manage to do it on a regular basis. Speaking of soO vs Serral, I said Serral might have even looked a little better than soO mechanically on average during the series(very onesided victories and one incredibly hard comeback almost taken home in g3); however, soO's decision making was better and he committed less errors, let alone devastating ones like Serral's utter fail into gg in g2, totally deserving his victory. I don't see how this opinion can be summarized into "Serral played better and no one knows how he lost". The last one at WESG is pretty self explanatory: Serral might have been sick but that's not unlike not being in shape, Neeb won convincingly, gg to him. Don't force your view on Maru. Winning a home tournament where everyone has the time to prepare may be more important than Blizzcon for him. Similarly to the Proleague title(which was valued very highly). Edit> Also moar excuses about Serral loses | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:08 Nakajin wrote: Blizzzcon-IEM-WESG are bigger then GSL not smaller? On about super tournaments/GSL vs the world type of events. Not Katowice or blizzcon | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:32 deacon.frost wrote: Don't force your view on Maru. Winning a home tournament where everyone has the time to prepare may be more important than Blizzcon for him. Similarly to the Proleague title(which was valued very highly). Edit> Also moar excuses about Serral loses Color me surprised | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:07 AzAlexZ wrote: You do realize that this advantage applies to both Maru and his teammate right? If sOs/Trap can take advantage of Maru then he can do the same, which is why he beat sOs 3-2 in GSL and IEM Well the nature of PvT (especially the proxy meta at the time) generally relied on the terran catching the toss of guard and the toss winning by reacting properly to whatever proxy or allin the terran was doing. Having knowledge of your opponents builds and openings would probably favour the protoss in that case. sOs was literally probe scouting and finding Maru's proxy rax iirc Especially in the case of sOs, possibly the best player at exploiting weaknesses in opponents builds that others don't see (good examples being his finals against herO, JD, or MKP, as well as the ro8 against Maru at blizzcon). I'd definitely argue that being teammates/practice partners/sharing ladder accounts is better for sOs than Maru. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:32 deacon.frost wrote: Don't force your view on Maru. Winning a home tournament where everyone has the time to prepare may be more important than Blizzcon for him. Similarly to the Proleague title(which was valued very highly). Edit> Also moar excuses about Serral loses Except we know from his Signature Series video from this past year that Blizzcon means a great deal to him, so even if it does matter less than GSL, which is a claim that has yet to be substantiated, we still know that it was a tournament he took very seriously and tried to win. EDIT: In his own words, "And I think a Blizzcon championship is absolutely necessary." Yeah, I think he cares about Blizzcon. | ||
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Poopi
France12880 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 01:09 StasisField wrote: Except we know from his Signature Series video from this past year that Blizzcon means a great deal to him, so even if it does matter less than GSL, which is a claim that has yet to be substantiated, we still know that it was a tournament he took very seriously and tried to win. EDIT: In his own words, "And I think a Blizzcon championship is absolutely necessary." Yeah, I think he cares about Blizzcon. And he tried hjis best, but sOs knows him too well. We need an interview about those games and generally with Maru. But that would be bullying. (both parties, the interviewed and the interwier ) | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:32 deacon.frost wrote: Don't force your view on Maru. Winning a home tournament where everyone has the time to prepare may be more important than Blizzcon for him. Similarly to the Proleague title(which was valued very highly). Edit> Also moar excuses about Serral loses These are not "moar excuses", it's a more detailed explanation of what I previously said since it was being indirectly quoted. To see a true excuse you just have to read your own comments: implying that Maru would not prepare appropriately for BlizzCon because he preferred Code S; BlizzCon started five weeks after the end of Code S S3 and given Maru doesn't care of Super Tournaments(so you say) he decided not to train appropriately to waste almost 260k? Not a really smart decision, I'd say. What if Maru cared for BlizzCon(as he openly stated) but panic proxied 24/7 because he was not sure how to face his teammate sOs in the matchup that already caused him to drop out of weekenders three times in 2018? Unfortunately for him that was exactly what sOs was expecting leading to the result we all know. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:01 Fango wrote: People were literally saying that when he lost to INno at IEM the other week. Some people might have been saying that, and that wouldnt be true. Serral did try to win, it was clear, I was watching the games. That being said, it was a meaningless series for Serral's point of view in regards to the tournament/ money. It wasnt meaningless for Inno, cuz aside from pride, he stood to win some prize money by placing a bit higher with even just the one series win. These are facts, whatever else you may think or feel about the series, that s personal opinions. Like in my personal opinion, Serral valued the opportunity to practice lategame ZvT vs one of the best Terrans, something that he usually doesnt get to do. So instead of choosing another game-plan/ build for games 2 and 3, he was fine taking it ultra late, and testing himself against Inno's lategame strength. My guess is that if Serral's tournament life was on the line, after losing to Inno's lategame in g2, he would have had a gameplan focused on killin Inno earlier, maximizing his chance to qualify. Now again, this last part is pure speculation, merely an opinion, but the fact remains, the results had no direct affect on Serral's tournament life, while it had direct affect on Inno's prize-money. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
Innovation Soo Neeb Players Maru lost to: Trap Neeb Leenock Meomaika Meomaika MEOMAIKA | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
At the end they stagger out of the bar, leaning on each other, singing loudly, off-key and out of sync in Korean and Finnish. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 14 2019 03:33 pvsnp wrote: When reading these same tired arguments about Maru this and Serral that for the hundredth time, I just imagine the two of them taking shots every time their fans say something idiotic. At the end they stagger out of the bar, leaning on each other, singing loudly, off-key and out of sync in Korean and Finnish. Maybe do some shots yourself and go for some karaoke, god knows it seems like you need it | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 14 2019 03:46 Geo.Rion wrote: Maybe do some shots yourself and go for some karaoke, god knows it seems like you need it Great idea. You buying? | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Sure, if that will stop you from trying so desperately to crawl up on some high horse. Not sure what s your deal, but in less than 24h that s your 2nd interjection (that i ve seen) when you're trying to score some points by positioning yourself "above" the discussions about Maru and Serral, by collectively judging any and all who have an opinion about Maru or Serral. You know, the 2 most popular players in SC2, on a forum about SC2. Yesterday with that anime reference, now with this bar-story fantasy. No doubt you feel like it's the height of intellectual behavior, but it's just about the cringiest thing. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 14 2019 04:40 Geo.Rion wrote: Sure, if that will stop you from trying so desperately to crawl up on some high horse. Not sure what s your deal, but in less than 24h that s your 2nd interjection (that i ve seen) when you're trying to score some points by positioning yourself "above" the discussions about Maru and Serral, by collectively judging any and all who have an opinion about Maru or Serral. You know, the 2 most popular players in SC2, on a forum about SC2. Yesterday with that anime reference, now with this bar-story fantasy. No doubt you feel like it's the height of intellectual behavior, but it's just about the cringiest thing. "I m calling bullshit on some of the posts of my fellow forum members, may i have your permission to do that?" | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 14 2019 05:58 pvsnp wrote: "I m calling bullshit on some of the posts of my fellow forum members, may i have your permission to do that?" "Please do. It's hilarious." | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Hey, I quoted you. Why are you plagiarizing me? | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 14 2019 06:46 pvsnp wrote: Hey, I quoted you. Why are you plagiarizing me? apologies, went back and fixed it | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Thank you, I appreciate it | ||
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Heartland
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Harris1st
Germany6929 Posts
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