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World Electronic Sports Games 2018WESG 2018 Grand Final - Group Stage Day 1
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
Group Stage: March 11-12, 05:00 GMT (+00:00) Playoffs: March 13-17 WESG SC2 Stage | WESG Main Stage Casters: RotterDam, Wardi, Rapid, Lowko World Electronic Sports Games 2018 | ||
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digmouse
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Kimb3r
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Deleted User 3420
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On March 10 2019 23:36 Kimb3r wrote: So what do you guys think about the probability that a Korean wins this tourney? I'd say something like 33% chance a korean wins, 50% chance serral wins | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 10 2019 23:49 travis wrote: I'd say something like 33% chance a korean wins, 50% chance serral wins that s a fairly generous 17% you re giving to the rank and file of the foreigner army | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On March 11 2019 00:03 Geo.Rion wrote: that s a fairly generous 17% you re giving to the rank and file of the foreigner army yeah i thought about it. most of them are around 0% but we do have some top foreigners in there that are capable of some kind of upset - especially since the field isn't saturated with foreigner killing koreans like most of these tournaments are. in fact, one of our foreign heros could technically win the tournament off of one or even 0 match wins vs a korean | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16038 Posts
On March 10 2019 23:49 travis wrote: I'd say something like 33% chance a korean wins, 50% chance serral wins If Serral faces Maru or Inno he will have a very hard time winning unless he has significantly improved his ZvT since Katowice. I think he has to hope for Dark taking out the terrans if he wants to win. My guess would be 20% Serral, 30% Maru, 25% Inno, 20% Dark, 5% Neeb | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 10 2019 23:49 travis wrote: I'd say something like 33% chance a korean wins, 50% chance serral wins So you think that Maru, Dark and Innovation combined have a smaller chance of winning the tournament than Serral alone, even though he is in the most difficult group by far  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 00:06 travis wrote: yeah i thought about it. most of them are around 0% but we do have some top foreigners in there that are capable of some kind of upset - especially since the field isn't saturated with foreigner killing koreans like most of these tournaments are. in fact, one of our foreign heros could technically win the tournament off of one or even 0 match wins vs a korean WeSG tends to have an extra layer of korean dominance to be fair. Across the two events so far, Koreans are 54-3 in series and 130-14 in maps against foreigners. Those three losses being TY losing a throwaway series to Kelazur after he'd already won that group, Maru losing the 3rd place APAC match to Time when he didn't take the match seriously and 2 rax'd each game, and Serral beating Classic in the 3rd place match of last year (which lets be honest is the only serious result out of the three). | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 11 2019 01:23 Fango wrote: Maru losing the 3rd place APAC match to Time when he didn't take the match seriously and 2 rax'd each game Are you trying to say that Maru never takes starcraft matches seriously? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16038 Posts
On March 11 2019 01:23 Fango wrote: WeSG tends to have an extra layer of korean dominance to be fair. Across the two events so far, Koreans are 54-3 in series and 130-14 in maps against foreigners. Those three losses being TY losing a throwaway series to Kelazur after he'd already won that group, Maru losing the 3rd place APAC match to Time when he didn't take the match seriously and 2 rax'd each game, and Serral beating Classic in the 3rd place match of last year (which lets be honest is the only serious result out of the three). Tbf at the time we thought he didn't take the match serious but after his GSL finals vs TY where he played the same way I don't think we can assume that anymore. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 11 2019 01:08 Charoisaur wrote: If Serral faces Maru or Inno he will have a very hard time winning unless he has significantly improved his ZvT since Katowice. I think he has to hope for Dark taking out the terrans if he wants to win. My guess would be 20% Serral, 30% Maru, 25% Inno, 20% Dark, 5% Neeb If Maru plays like he did against Impact he has no chanche; Serral maybe has problems in ultra late game ZvT but IEM's series against Inno was worth almost nothing, I doubt Serral would play this passively in a meaningful series. The real question is if Serral is properly focused and can avoid free losses like the ones against Ragnarok in g2 and soO in g2 of their respective series. I'd give Neeb a 3%, anyone else a 2%, Serral a 35% and an evenly distributed 60% to the koreans. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 01:30 Charoisaur wrote: Tbf at the time we thought he didn't take the match serious but after his GSL finals vs TY where he played the same way I don't think we can assume that anymore. Well he didn't feel confident against TY in a macro game (according to him anyway). I doubt he felt that way against Time, considering in the main event he played standard and absolutely smashed him | ||
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Geo.Rion
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I mean not the outcome of the game, the odds that they would meet each other? 5-1? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 01:51 Geo.Rion wrote: If we re talking odds, what are the odds of Maru vs Serral? I mean not the outcome of the game, the odds that they would meet each other? 5-1? Assuming the seeding is good and neither of them are upset, probably quite high | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16038 Posts
On March 11 2019 01:37 Xain0n wrote: If Maru plays like he did against Impact he has no chanche; Serral maybe has problems in ultra late game ZvT but IEM's series against Inno was worth almost nothing, I doubt Serral would play this passively in a meaningful series. what about his lategame loss against Gumiho? didn't he care about that game either? or did he threw that match to give his fans more games to watch? Let's face it - his ZvT isn't as good as his other matchups. which is not surprising considering the lack of terrans in EU. | ||
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Elentos
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On March 11 2019 01:50 Fango wrote: Well he didn't feel confident against TY in a macro game (according to him anyway). I doubt he felt that way against Time, considering in the main event he played standard and absolutely smashed him According to Maru, he proxies when he A) feels like he can't win a normal game (vs TY), B) feels like his opponents are sufficiently beneath him (Neeb at Blizzcon) and C) whenever the fuck he feels like it. I reckon the TIME series was B. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 02:38 Elentos wrote: According to Maru, he proxies when he A) feels like he can't win a normal game (vs TY), B) feels like his opponents are sufficiently beneath him (Neeb at Blizzcon) and C) whenever the fuck he feels like it. I reckon the TIME series was B. I think the TIME series being meaningless as well meant he couldn't be bothered with a normal game. In the APAC group stages he started nuke rushing and shit once he'd won the group. But he's always been cocky when playing opponents much worse than him, even when the match is important. Like 2 rax'ing Creator in proleague, BC rushing Impact in the latest GSL, his entire asian games run etc | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 11 2019 02:18 Charoisaur wrote: what about his lategame loss against Gumiho? didn't he care about that game either? or did he threw that match to give his fans more games to watch? Let's face it - his ZvT isn't as good as his other matchups. which is not surprising considering the lack of terrans in EU. I agree ZvT is historically his worst matchup; did you see the game against Gumiho? Serral didn't scout appropriately and was overwhelmed by a swarm of Battlecruisers, I wouldn't say that game underlined any particular weakness as Serral usually is extremely good at scouting. The games against Inno were worrying but also the ones against Neeb before BlizzCon were; it's possible that Serral's late ZvT is indeed relatively subpar tho, we might find it out very soon. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 02:08 Fango wrote: Assuming the seeding is good and neither of them are upset, probably quite high Right, but that was the case for 3 or 4 major events in a row and it keeps "not happening" | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 03:28 Geo.Rion wrote: Right, but that was the case for 3 or 4 major events in a row and it keeps "not happening" They met last WeSG. And since then it was only really GSL vs the world and blizzcon they were supposed to play eachother, both of those had a much better chance of an upset than WeSG does. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33553 Posts
Remember Serral should* have lost 4-2 to Reynor in the finals of Montreal, and he had close calls all tournament. ZvZ will return to its rightful, glorious place in 2019 as the match-up that ruins all of our hopes and dreams | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 03:58 Waxangel wrote: All those ZvZ birds are coming home to roost. Remember Serral should* have lost 4-2 to Reynor in the finals of Montreal, and he had close calls all tournament. ZvZ will return to its rightful, glorious place in 2019 as the match-up that ruins all of our hopes and dreams I ll take european 2018 ZvZ over proxy meta korean TvP of 2018 On March 11 2019 03:37 Fango wrote: They met last WeSG. And since then it was only really GSL vs the world and blizzcon they were supposed to play eachother, both of those had a much better chance of an upset than WeSG does. And IEM last week... | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 10 2019 23:36 Kimb3r wrote: So what do you guys think about the probability that a Korean wins this tourney? Greater than 50% given that the two greatest hopes for non-Koreans....are somehow in the same group...along with another of the greatest hopes in Showtime (seriously wtf is group A). Meanwhile, all of the Koreans should easily get out of their groups. I think both of the KR Terrans can beat Serral in a bo5+. I'm not totally sold on his ZvT. If there's any justice we'll finally get Maru vs Serral, otherwise I guess we're waiting until the Summer again... It'll be interesting to see how things have changed from the last WESG where Maru 3-0'd him. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 11 2019 07:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Greater than 50% given that the two greatest hopes for non-Koreans....are somehow in the same group...along with another of the greatest hopes in Showtime (seriously wtf is group A). Meanwhile, all of the Koreans should easily get out of their groups. I think both of the KR Terrans can beat Serral in a bo5+. I'm not totally sold on his ZvT. If there's any justice we'll finally get Maru vs Serral, otherwise I guess we're waiting until the Summer again... It'll be interesting to see how things have changed from the last WESG where Maru 3-0'd him. I am inclined to agree but I still think Serral is the player who's most likely to win the tournament. Both Maru and Serral have peaked since the last WESG and seemingly aren't at their best at the moment. | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 11 2019 03:44 Die4Ever wrote: come on Maru! maybe he can pull it together for this tournament Maru said yesterday that all the back-to-back tournaments have been rough and he's gonna collapse from exhaustion after WESG. I don't think his condition is great right now. If I had to pick one winner I'd say Dark. Out of all the top contenders, he did the best at Katowice. Serral has a brutal group and his ZvT is suspect, while Maru and Inno are both in questionable form. Still, one of those 4 is almost guaranteed to win. Also, Dark has to beat Inno in the finals 4-3 in order to continue the WESG tradition of "Korean who lost 3-4 in last year's finals to another Korean defeats a new Korean 4-3 in the finals." Another factor that may or may not be worth considering is that the jetlag factor hits foreigners a lot harder than Koreans, the opposite of Katowice. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
Most EU players had 25+ hours of travel time. Lambo is even ill, that's why I think MaNa will win his group and against Lambo. Lambo just got to the venue yesterday, so the jetlag and illness are going to have an impact I guess. My personal bet as the winner is Dark. He seems eager and extremely motivated to smash a lot of foreigners and take home a title + lots of money. He looked very good at IEM and GSL. Inno is in a little slump although he would be my 2nd pick... I think Maru is exhausted and just without any signifcant motivation after 2018, I think people saw that in GSL. Serral definitely can take it home but maybe we'll see a lack of the extra percentage after bein hyped and so much under pressure after his 2018 reign... I think Dark will do it finally. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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Die4Ever
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starting in Serral vs Neeb Maru vs Puck Serral vs Masa Maru vs Special Puck vs Special either this isn't the full schedule for the day, or we just don't get to see Dark or Has until next round? | ||
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pvsnp
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FrostedMiniWheats
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ZigguratOfUr
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pvsnp
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Production is off to a great start I see | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Ah nice Take has Neeb-Serral guys, saving esport once again | ||
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Waxangel
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digmouse
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FrostedMiniWheats
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SetGuitarsToKill
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pvsnp
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EDIT: nvm take answered | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 11 2019 14:15 pvsnp wrote: Wait, what happened in Game 1? EDIT: nvm take answered It's NarutO casting. | ||
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MASTERCAKES
United States127 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Turn out Serral really can't beat Neeb it seems, still I would not be surprise if Neeb get pvp out of the group | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Maru vs Serral ruined again, by Serral falling early this time --;? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Die4Ever
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pvsnp
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MASTERCAKES
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starkiller123
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Die4Ever
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edit: ok they fixed it | ||
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starkiller123
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SlammerIV
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:27 SlammerIV wrote: Low-key Neeb is in really good form, I feel like his IEM run got a bit overshadowed by some other storylines but the dude is playing at a really high level, particularly in PvZ it seems. yea I'm really not too surprised by him beating Serral, that seemed a bit easy though lol jetlag??? | ||
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Kazi25
Philippines236 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:27 SlammerIV wrote: Low-key Neeb is in really good form, I feel like his IEM run got a bit overshadowed by some other storylines but the dude is playing at a really high level, particularly in PvZ it seems. lol and luckily for him there are no korean protoss players in this tournament | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:27 Die4Ever wrote: yea I'm really not too surprised by him beating Serral, that seemed a bit easy though lol jetlag??? I think beating Serral is still an upset given Serral's ZvP, but people really shouldn't underestimate Neeb's PvZ. | ||
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MASTERCAKES
United States127 Posts
Edit: Production not prizepool lol | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:28 FrkFrJss wrote: I think beating Serral is still an upset given Serral's ZvP, but people really shouldn't underestimate Neeb's PvZ. oh I agree, I thought Serral should have the advantage | ||
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pvsnp
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:28 MASTERCAKES wrote: Why would you spend so much money on a tournament if you're not going to make the prizepool good? Makes no sense. Pretty sure Alibaba just right a check then forget about it, these tournament never make any sence | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:31 Nakajin wrote: Pretty sure Alibaba just right a check then forget about it, these tournament never make any sence well at least it makes one player very happy by the end of the tournament, and lmao this is hilarious | ||
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FrkFrJss
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:33 FrkFrJss wrote: I'm hoping that Showtime and Harstem trade series with Masa and each other so that their map scores are worse than Neeb's. As long as Neeb can at least go 1-2 against Harstem and Showtime and then win cleanly against Masa and msrm, I think he has a chance. I still can't get over how stacked group A is compared to literally every other group | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:33 starkiller123 wrote: well at least it makes one player very happy by the end of the tournament, and lmao this is hilarious I mean, the rest of the top 4 still makes a lot of money, shit I'll take $10k, obviously a bit disappointing when you look at the 1st place, but it is absolutely a lot of money for the placements, more than GSL gives I think | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:27 Die4Ever wrote: yea I'm really not too surprised by him beating Serral, that seemed a bit easy though lol jetlag??? Apparently sick. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:35 starkiller123 wrote: I still can't get over how stacked group A is compared to literally every other group Seriously though...it's miles stronger than any other group. | ||
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IArako
Germany195 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:36 FrkFrJss wrote: Seriously though...it's miles stronger than any other group. like not even close at all, the rest are full of 1-2 good players and then 4-5 no names | ||
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starkiller123
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:39 starkiller123 wrote: so how long do you guys think the break will be? my money is on at least 20 minutes They'll probably restart at 7 CET, and we'll get another half hour of downtime after those games. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:39 starkiller123 wrote: so how long do you guys think the break will be? my money is on at least 20 minutes well at least we got pokemon for the downtime https://www.twitch.tv/twitchpresents lol | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:41 Die4Ever wrote: well at least we got pokemon for the downtime https://www.twitch.tv/twitchpresents lol I'm still catching up on random Katowice games that i missed | ||
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pvsnp
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:42 pvsnp wrote: Taketv has a beautiful cat grooming itself on stream. It's even helpfully labelled "DOWNTIME CAT" this is why god invented multi-monitor outputs | ||
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Waxangel
United States33553 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:41 Die4Ever wrote: well at least we got pokemon for the downtime https://www.twitch.tv/twitchpresents lol How does this somehow have downtime as well? At least we got TakeTV downtime kitty :o | ||
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SlammerIV
United States526 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On March 11 2019 14:46 Waxangel wrote: How does this somehow have downtime as well? At least we got TakeTV downtime kitty :o takes time to swap the VHS tapes for the next episode and maybe they gotta rewind them too...? here we go! | ||
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pvsnp
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http://www.huya.com/wesg5 http://www.huya.com/wesg2 | ||
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Die4Ever
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pvsnp
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Doko
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Die4Ever
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pvsnp
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ZigguratOfUr
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I know English, but Rotti and Lowko are barely audible. I don't know any German, but German SCII casting is 50% English loan words. I know some Chinese, but Chinese SCII casting is 50% non-obvious nicknames for units. And good decision by Dark to proxy hatch. | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 11 2019 15:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I'm trying to figure out which stream is the most understandable. They all have pros and cons for me. I know English, but Rotti and Lowko are barely audible. I don't know any German, but German SCII casting is 50% English loan words. I know some Chinese, but Chinese SCII casting is 50% non-obvious nicknames for units. And good decision by Dark to proxy hatch. Same. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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pvsnp
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On March 11 2019 15:13 Die4Ever wrote: TakeTV already showed like 4x as many matches as the "main stream" lol That's Germanic efficiency for you | ||
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Waxangel
United States33553 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
edit: Wonder why he took the gold by placing the nexus on the side with gases given that he only needs it to mass chargelots. Maybe a mindgame. | ||
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pvsnp
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 11 2019 15:31 Die4Ever wrote: great hallucination lol He was dead regardless of if he landed the forcefield, but it sure doesn't bode well for the rest of his games. | ||
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Die4Ever
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Avicularia
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skdsk
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 11 2019 15:36 Avicularia wrote: How did Serral look in his games? I only caught game 2 but it wasen't very impressive, he just kinda died to Neeb's push | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Maru says something about TvT being difficult. So I guess that means he's the most scared of INno? | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 11 2019 15:38 skdsk wrote: wow puck looked like random na master in those games.. also the production is so bad in this tournament, massive delays, stream that looks worse than anything i have seen in recent years from any tourney... atleast casters are decent.. tbf Maru has been making players much better than pucK look terrible for years | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 11 2019 15:38 skdsk wrote: wow puck looked like random na master in those games.. also the production is so bad in this tournament, massive delays, stream that looks worse than anything i have seen in recent years from any tourney... atleast casters are decent.. He didn't look that bad game 1--certainly he looked outclassed, but not awful. Game 2 was pretty bad though. | ||
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gDPhantom
New Zealand162 Posts
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fastr
France902 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 11 2019 15:49 fastr wrote: Masa is so predictable with his 3 rax it's become comical Which was why the time he proxied (or fake proxied) 11 games in a row beating Scarlett and taking Neeb to game 7 was so hilarious. edit: wow MaSa looks different. | ||
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MASTERCAKES
United States127 Posts
On March 11 2019 15:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Which was why the time he proxied (or fake proxied) 11 games in a row beating Scarlett and taking Neeb to game 7 was so hilarious. edit: wow MaSa looks different. That was so much fun to watch. | ||
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pvsnp
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starkiller123
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fastr
France902 Posts
On March 11 2019 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Masa should just proxy 1rax and bluff with a bunker while going 3CC back home. As Artosis the Great once said, the cheesiest thing a cheesy player can do is play a macro game. | ||
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skdsk
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On March 11 2019 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Masa should just proxy 1rax and bluff with a bunker while going 3CC back home. honestly this is so simple ladder build from masa, serral saved this 1000times from terrans on eu ladder, you wont beat him like that, do something more techniqal.. serral is far to good, to lose to this.. | ||
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skdsk
138 Posts
On March 11 2019 15:57 fastr wrote: As Artosis the Great once said, the cheesiest thing a cheesy player can do is play a macro game. Serral already did pool first and 6 lings, what if you cc first (depots and raxes on natural for easy block) and then powerup for 2base push? Blind counter, but i think stuff like that could work... | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 11 2019 16:02 skdsk wrote: Serral already did pool first and 6 lings, what if you cc first (depots and raxes on natural for easy block) and then powerup for 2base push? Blind counter, but i think stuff like that could work... MaSa was looking for something that could give him an immediate win. Slight build order advantages aren't going to cut it when he's up against someone who outclasses him by so much. | ||
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fastr
France902 Posts
On March 11 2019 16:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote: MaSa was looking for something that could give him an immediate win. Slight build order advantages aren't going to cut it when he's up against someone who outclasses him by so much. That's the catch 22. It's like when Flash was the God of BW, he was so feared that most people tried to cheese him because that's the only way they could win. Hence Flash got more practice against cheese than anyone else. Same thing happened to Serral, his early game defense is insane. He seemed the most vulnerable in late game against Innovation because that's the only situation he didn't encounter hundreds of times already on ladder. | ||
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skdsk
138 Posts
On March 11 2019 16:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote: MaSa was looking for something that could give him an immediate win. Slight build order advantages aren't going to cut it when he's up against someone who outclasses him by so much. thing is serral is known for his solid and anti-cheeze macro play, you cant cheeze him out of games, hes to good, and he does pool first, which is counter play to proxy 2-4rax.. so basically Masa is donating free wins to serral, since he faced these builds on ladder 1000's times. I guess masa didnt really want to bother since him winning macro game against serral is like 5%. But doing same thing two times in row, against thing that counters his build.. looked kinda sad. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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skdsk
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On March 11 2019 16:17 Die4Ever wrote: Maru's TvT has been shaky, Special might win yesterday saw special asking TY for tvt practice.. I would say TY tvt is better than maru | ||
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skdsk
138 Posts
On March 11 2019 16:18 skdsk wrote: yesterday saw special asking TY for tvt practice (on TY stream).. I would say TY tvt is better than maru | ||
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pvsnp
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Die4Ever
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On March 11 2019 16:18 skdsk wrote: yesterday saw special asking TY for tvt practice.. I would say TY tvt is better than maru I guess practicing with TY is not quite the same as BEING TY lol | ||
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On March 11 2019 16:28 Die4Ever wrote: I guess practicing with TY is not quite the same as BEING TY lol sight  | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 11 2019 16:29 ParksonVN wrote: That's the showcase of how good Maru is: his proxy got shut down hard and he still managed to win convincingly. it was against special. no offense to special, but his mechanics arent in the same league as maru's, and in TvT (actually all mirrors) mechanics are everything when maru's proxy get's shut down by players of higher caliber he usually loses | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 11 2019 17:18 sneakyfox wrote: Just joined this. Serral lost to Neeb, slump confirmed? Patchzerg confirmed? | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 11 2019 17:18 sneakyfox wrote: Just joined this. Serral lost to Neeb, slump confirmed? Neeb is one of the best PvZ in the world and has already beaten serral in an online tournament after serral's championship. It's not really a lopsided matchup. Neeb has already beaten Maru and Serral this year. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Truth hurts, but someone's got to say it. Brave statement, really | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 17:31 sneakyfox wrote: Truth hurts, but someone's got to say it. Brave statement, really I propose we give him a medal, or a purple heart or something. This level of dauntlessness and self-sacrifice deserves recognition! | ||
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pvsnp
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Die4Ever
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On March 11 2019 17:41 pvsnp wrote: They hated Durnuu because he told them the truth every zerg, except FruitDealer and NesTea, is a patchzerg | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 11 2019 17:41 pvsnp wrote: They hated Durnuu because he told them the truth And because he won all their starleagues | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 17:43 Die4Ever wrote: every zerg, except FruitDealer and NesTea, is a patchzerg I remember Fruitdealer's patch-ultralisks stealing him the wins against TOP, in games he had no business winning. | ||
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RaFox17
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On March 11 2019 17:55 Geo.Rion wrote: I remember Fruitdealer's patch-ultralisks stealing him the wins against TOP, in games he had no business winning. That is literally impossible  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 17:58 Schelim wrote: whatever happened to all these guys? do we know what Mvp, Nestea, TOP, ForGG... are doing now? Mvp is retired from starcraft, but still streams sometimes I think. Same as NesTea. TOP still streams almost every day and plays in online events. ForGG finished his service and tried to come back last year but didn't have any success | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 11 2019 18:17 Fango wrote: Mvp is retired from starcraft, but still streams sometimes I think. Same as NesTea. TOP still streams almost every day and plays in online events. ForGG finished his service and tried to come back last year but didn't have any success Forgg still streams BW–he's streaming right now. | ||
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Harris1st
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On March 11 2019 18:19 Fango wrote: And anyone surprised at Neeb 2-0 Serral hasn't been paying attention to Neeb's PvZ for the last year or so I think Neeb is still the underdog vs Serral, but not by much. What happenend? Good games? | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 18:21 Harris1st wrote: I think Neeb is still the underdog vs Serral, but not by much. What happenend? Good games? Im not sure if the stream was running at that point, i got up later and the main stream still wasnt functioning properly, and by that time the serral vs neeb was long done | ||
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Tsubbi
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On March 11 2019 18:21 Harris1st wrote: I think Neeb is still the underdog vs Serral, but not by much. What happenend? Good games? game 1 was cannon rush which got neeb a decent lead and he closed it out easily game 2 was dt archon harass, serral had spore at 99% in the 3rd when dts arrived and he mind game cancelled because he thought neeb was gonna morph archons after getting scouted so early, from there it spiraled out of control | ||
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jarodtou
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We have probably arguably the top3 koreans(or top 3 at the time of the qualifier) and the best of the foreigners, Scarllet, Neeb, Serall and so on. So at least top8 should have some points at least, something like 1500 for 1st place, 700 for 2nd place and so on. Especially because the qualification process is really hard due to the big prize pool. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 11 2019 17:31 sneakyfox wrote: Truth hurts, but someone's got to say it. Brave statement, really I guess I shouldn't answer to this seriously; I would, nevertheless. It would be weird to call Serral a patchzerg as literally no other Zerg won a Premier tournament during his ascension; only Reynor reached the finals at Montreal. Moreover, Serral won HSC against a sea of Terran while every zerg was struggling in the patch. As for Serral's form, he wasn't flawless at IEM and has been ill last week; Neeb has probably the best PvZ if his opponent is not named Dark, seeing him defeat Serral is nothing out of ordinary. However, if he just won with early pushes I'm very worried(I couldn't watch the games, I was sleeping); if we exclude specific matchups, Serral's main weakness is in the midgame before remax as he is very hard to cheese and has extremely good lategame(ZvT may or may not be an exception). | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 11 2019 18:34 jarodtou wrote: why no WCS points for WESG? I know the player list is not that high, but the top8/top4 is still the top4/ top8 from the world overall. We have probably arguably the top3 koreans(or top 3 at the time of the qualifier) and the best of the foreigners, Scarllet, Neeb, Serall and so on. So at least top8 should have some points at least, something like 1500 for 1st place, 700 for 2nd place and so on. Especially because the qualification process is really hard due to the big prize pool. Probably because WESG would have to care enough to comply with WCS rules and regulations, and they really don't. | ||
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RaFox17
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GG Neeb! | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 11 2019 18:38 RaFox17 wrote: Showtime lost 2 PvP´s in a row. Really difficult for him to advance GG Neeb!Showtime often struggles vs Harstem, even on ladder when they are both streaming Im surprised he lost against neeb though | ||
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darklycid
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Hope He can regain His normal strength again. | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote: not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4... Nobody cares because he plays protoss | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote: not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4... People are surprised because they put Serral above Koreans, and the Koreans are above Neeb. Because Serral beat Stats multiple times, Neeb didn't seem like he had much of a chance. However, I will say that Neeb's arguably had the best or second PvZ in the world for a while. Stats is better again Dark, but Neeb is very consistent against almost everyone else. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote: I guess I shouldn't answer to this seriously; I would, nevertheless. It would be weird to call Serral a patchzerg as literally no other Zerg won a Premier tournament during his ascension; only Reynor reached the finals at Montreal. Technically speaking Rogue and Scarlett won IEM. While this was outside of Serrals road to glory it jsut shows how weak Zerg was. Rogue then reached Code S RO8 S2 and by many the Rogue v Maru was the best match of the play off(bad Zest finals included) Dark reached 2 finals - WESG, ST1 Both Dark & Solar got to RO4 ST2 and lost closely 3:2. On March 11 2019 18:36 Xain0n wrote: Moreover, Serral won HSC against a sea of Terran while every zerg was struggling in the patch. As for Serral's form, he wasn't flawless at IEM and has been ill last week; Neeb has probably the best PvZ if his opponent is not named Dark, seeing him defeat Serral is nothing out of ordinary. However, if he just won with early pushes I'm very worried(I couldn't watch the games, I was sleeping); if we exclude specific matchups, Serral's main weakness is in the midgame before remax as he is very hard to cheese and has extremely good lategame(ZvT may or may not be an exception). He won HSC against weak Terrans. At that time the best Terrans were Maru & TY, then small space, GumiHo and after these 3 huge space and Innovation. Innovation was the underdog in their HSC tournament based on his results from 2018. You can't seriously talk about his HSC and Terran results when Serral was in form while he played inferiour players. On March 11 2019 18:42 Charoisaur wrote: not sure why people are surprised by Neeb beating Serral. Neeb is probably the most underrated player in the world currently. He plays extremely well since a while but nobody cares because everyone is busy hyping up Serral. Most people have probably already forgotten he made the GSL ro4... I don't think he's as underrated as Classic was, is and will be. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
It's probably both. Foreigners and Protoss players are often underappreciated. the bias against protoss is sad | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
On March 11 2019 18:54 BerserkSword wrote: It's probably both. Foreigners and Protoss players are often underappreciated. the bias against protoss is sad Yeah | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 18:30 RaFox17 wrote: That is what happens when you go only 70% Has. Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!" On March 11 2019 19:07 Toua wrote: So guys give me the chances of Serral not getting out of this group If he loses to Harstem he s out, if he beats Harstem but then loses to Showtime and Showtime beats everyone else, then i guess it's tiebreakers and mapscore decides? | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 11 2019 19:10 Geo.Rion wrote: Reminds me of the immortal words of N0tail "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!" He did go full has. Neeb played out of his mind | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On March 11 2019 19:12 BerserkSword wrote: He did go full has. Neeb played out of his mind You think Has would have expanded?!?! Herecy! | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 19:12 BerserkSword wrote: He did go full has. Neeb played out of his mind Neah, he added assimilators and even a Nexus towards the end. Rookie mistakes | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 11 2019 18:53 deacon.frost wrote: Technically speaking Rogue and Scarlett won IEM. While this was outside of Serrals road to glory it jsut shows how weak Zerg was. Rogue then reached Code S RO8 S2 and by many the Rogue v Maru was the best match of the play off(bad Zest finals included) Dark reached 2 finals - WESG, ST1 Both Dark & Solar got to RO4 ST2 and lost closely 3:2. He won HSC against weak Terrans. At that time the best Terrans were Maru & TY, then small space, GumiHo and after these 3 huge space and Innovation. Innovation was the underdog in their HSC tournament based on his results from 2018. You can't seriously talk about his HSC and Terran results when Serral was in form while he played inferiour players. I don't think he's as underrated as Classic was, is and will be. They called him PATCHZerg, Dark and Scarlett victories happened not only before Serral's glory road, but in the previous patch. Ro8 and ro4 in Code S? That barely justifies the viability of one race, definitely doesn't make it seem too good unless you think korean zerg are worse players than their protoss and terran equivalents, Dark was the only top korean zerg not present at HSC; this translated into Solar having the best placement out of them not going further than Winner's bracket round 1. On the other hand, the top two(three?) Twere missing and magically the top four only had Terran players except for Serral winning the tournament ; this clearly suggests Serral was the best Zerg at that moment by a mile despite Zerg having problems to adapt. Also, online results would indicate Inno had recovered a decent shape in November, labeling him as "inferior player" is indeed laughable. HSC was played after the patch in which Serral ascended, the definition of patchzerg doesn't suit him at all. | ||
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United States2123 Posts
Has has been seen expanding when his cheese is failing Exhibit A www.youtube.com | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On March 11 2019 19:18 BerserkSword wrote: What are you guys talking about lol Has has been seen expanding when his cheese is failing Cheese will go on. We are basically joking around  | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 19:18 BerserkSword wrote: What are you guys talking about lol Has has been seen expanding when his cheese is failing Exhibit A www.youtube.com Speaking for myself, im just joking/ teasing | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote: Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format I prefer h2h to be honest. Map score shouldnt matter as much, since the Best of X format is based around winning series' not individual games. and Tie breakers being governed by H2H is pretty much standard format in most competitions | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:29 Fango wrote: Wesg groups are still h2h > map score lol. They really don't care about making a good format Ok, but what if Serral > Harstem > Neeb > Serral? On March 11 2019 19:32 BerserkSword wrote: I prefer h2h to be honest. Map score shouldnt matter as much, since the Best of X format is based around winning series' not individual games. and Tie breakers being governed by H2H is pretty much standard format in most competitions Map score is superior because it tells how well you won a series. Also, it prevents frustrating situations like where Impact went evenly against his opponents in wins but still went out. TB got very mad over this situation. | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:32 FrkFrJss wrote: Ok, but what if Serral > Harstem > Neeb > Serral? I believe if it's a three way tie in h2h, they use map score, then map score specifically among the tied players. Which could still be equal in which case some sort of tiebreakers match would be usual | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
On March 11 2019 19:35 TrashPanda wrote: Who to cheer for now? I hate Toss, but I love seeing Serral fanboys cry... You seem like a nice person | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7075 Posts
On March 11 2019 19:35 TrashPanda wrote: Who to cheer for now? I hate Toss, but I love seeing Serral fanboys cry... Lamob, Elazer, Special? | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 11 2019 19:35 TrashPanda wrote: Who to cheer for now? I hate Toss, but I love seeing Serral fanboys cry... i would cheer for the salt nothing like the delicious tears of fanatics | ||
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HolydaKing
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On March 11 2019 18:43 Tsubbi wrote: Is Serral sick? Some people keep mentioning it I don't know, Naruto on TakeTV also mentioned it so he probably got something. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 19:41 BerserkSword wrote: i would cheer for the salt nothing like the delicious tears of fanatics And how would you define a fanatic? someone who is so emotionally invested that cares more about one specific player winning/losing rather than the games and the plays? | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:43 Geo.Rion wrote: And how would you define a fanatic? someone who is so emotionally invested that cares more about one specific player winning/losing rather than the games and the plays? yea. when they lose objectivity like the ones who say serral is a bonjwa | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:44 BerserkSword wrote: yea. when they lose objectivity like the ones who say serral is a bonjwa I see the sarcasm is lost on my post | ||
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Kimb3r
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On March 11 2019 19:41 HolydaKing wrote: I don't know, Naruto on TakeTV also mentioned it so he probably got something. He twittered that hes sick | ||
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For clarification: You were just defined as a fanatic, since all you care about is Serral losing Did I get it right Geo.Rion? | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:41 HolydaKing wrote: I don't know, Naruto on TakeTV also mentioned it so he probably got something. | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:49 Harris1st wrote: For clarification: You were just defined as a fanatic, since all you care about is Serral losing Did I get it right Geo.Rion? Yeah, that was the idea, but it doesnt translate so well in writing i guess. Also Serral 2-0d Harstem, so that bodes well for him. I think he still can get knocked out if he loses to Showtime, and the rest of the games break a certain way. | ||
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(if showtime beats MaSa) On March 11 2019 19:53 Geo.Rion wrote: Also Serral 2-0d Harstem, so that bodes well for him. I think he still can get knocked out if he loses to Showtime, and the rest of the games break a certain way. No need for them to break any which way, it's h2h tiebreaker so the winner moves on regardless. | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:49 Harris1st wrote: For clarification: You were just defined as a fanatic, since all you care about is Serral losing Did I get it right Geo.Rion? Who is a serral fanatic? | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:54 sneakyfox wrote: Serral-Showtime deathmatch coming up! (if showtime beats MaSa) No need for them to break any which way, it's h2h tiebreaker so the winner moves on regardless. Beating serral is not enought for showtime. he needs to beat masa too | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:58 Xain0n wrote: Harstem-Neeb may be very important, too. Elazer-Dark is definitely a game to watch but I'd love to see Serral-Showtime and Harstem-Neeb as well, I hope they'll be streamed. Yeah, Harstem, Showtime and Serral can all be 3-2. It's not terribly likely but it could be Serral > Harstem > Showtime > Serral. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On March 11 2019 19:32 FrkFrJss wrote: Ok, but what if Serral > Harstem > Neeb > Serral? Map score is superior because it tells how well you won a series. Also, it prevents frustrating situations like where Impact went evenly against his opponents in wins but still went out. TB got very mad over this situation. It's only superior if you think "how well you won a series" should matter, which is subjective and up for debate. I probably prefer map score overall but it does slightly undermine the idea of a win being a win, no matter how ugly or close it is. Given we consider a BoX series as an entire match with its own internal mind games and twists and turns, it does feel a bit weird to use a system that priorities how quick and cleanly you can finish your opponent. Maybe it's the lesser of the two evils though. | ||
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Italy3963 Posts
On March 11 2019 19:59 HolydaKing wrote: Yeah, Harstem, Showtime and Serral can all be 3-2. It's not terribly likely but it could be Serral > Harstem > Showtime > Serral. There is also a chanche for Neeb, Serral and Harstem to all be 4-1. | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:59 BerserkSword wrote: Beating serral is not enought for showtime. he needs to beat masa too Already says so in the post you quoted | ||
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oh i mised that whoops my mistake | ||
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On March 11 2019 19:32 FrkFrJss wrote: Ok, but what if Serral > Harstem > Neeb > Serral? Map score is superior because it tells how well you won a series. Also, it prevents frustrating situations like where Impact went evenly against his opponents in wins but still went out. TB got very mad over this situation. I dont believe map score tell how well you won a series | ||
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Toua
Denmark318 Posts
On March 11 2019 20:10 sneakyfox wrote: Lol did anyone see how Drager managed to take a map off Dark? Did not see it, but it was probaly cause of a fanfic worthy encounter between Drager and Has | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 19:15 Xain0n wrote: They called him PATCHZerg, Dark and Scarlett victories happened not only before Serral's glory road, but in the previous patch. Ro8 and ro4 in Code S? That barely justifies the viability of one race, definitely doesn't make it seem too good unless you think korean zerg are worse players than their protoss and terran equivalents, Dark was the only top korean zerg not present at HSC; this translated into Solar having the best placement out of them not going further than Winner's bracket round 1. On the other hand, the top two(three?) Twere missing and magically the top four only had Terran players except for Serral winning the tournament ; this clearly suggests Serral was the best Zerg at that moment by a mile despite Zerg having problems to adapt. Also, online results would indicate Inno had recovered a decent shape in November, labeling him as "inferior player" is indeed laughable. HSC was played after the patch in which Serral ascended, the definition of patchzerg doesn't suit him at all. Dark reached 2 fucking finals, stop pretending no other Zergs except Serral and once Reynor were lacking. Stop pretending there's only Serral when others where winning too. Rogue wasn't a patch zerg and that shit he got wasn't justified at all. If you wanna insist on Rogue being patch zerg then Serral is patch zerg too as right after the patch hit and everybody got used to it he started losing games. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 20:18 deacon.frost wrote: Dark reached 2 fucking finals, stop pretending no other Zergs except Serral and once Reynor were lacking. Stop pretending there's only Serral when others where winning too. Rogue wasn't a patch zerg and that shit he got wasn't justified at all. If you wanna insist on Rogue being patch zerg then Serral is patch zerg too as right after the patch hit and everybody got used to it he started losing games. I feel that the patch-zerg insult is more of a meme, at least lately, like there was that big featured TL article, the history of patch-zergs or something along those lines. After that whenever i read it I assume it's either just misguided or intentionally tongue-and-cheek comment. Gotta dig up that article again On March 11 2019 19:54 sneakyfox wrote: Serral-Showtime deathmatch coming up! (if showtime beats MaSa) No need for them to break any which way, it's h2h tiebreaker so the winner moves on regardless. It's only h2h if it's a two way tie, if it s a 3 way tie, than it's mapscore first. Two-player tie: head-to-head result; Three-player tie: map score, match score among tied players, map score among tied players, bo1 tie-breakers (in that order). So if Serral loses 2-1 to Showtime, but Harstem loses to Neeb then they're all 3-2, and Serral would have the best mapscore at that point, 7-4 Furthermore, if Harstem beats Neeb then Showtime cannot advance, Serral needs the win then and it's head to head between Harstem and Serral, and Serral advances. EDIT: this last sentence was technically incorrect, since then it would be 3 way tie with Neeb-Harsten-Serral, and yet again mapscore decides, and Harstem would be knocked out. So, same result, as mentioned above, different procedure | ||
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On March 11 2019 20:39 Harris1st wrote: Which games are on right now? elazer vs dark on wesg twitch stream idk what's not being streamed righ tnow | ||
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HolydaKing
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Xain0n
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On March 11 2019 20:18 deacon.frost wrote: Dark reached 2 fucking finals, stop pretending no other Zergs except Serral and once Reynor were lacking. Stop pretending there's only Serral when others where winning too. Rogue wasn't a patch zerg and that shit he got wasn't justified at all. If you wanna insist on Rogue being patch zerg then Serral is patch zerg too as right after the patch hit and everybody got used to it he started losing games. Dark reached two finals in 4.2, whereas Serral started winning every tournament he entered after 4.3! No other Zerg(except for Reynor in Montreal) reached a single Premier final during that period until soO did last week; that's not "pretending", it's a fact. Zerg were surely competitive as a race but Serral reigned alone during his time of dominance. I never said Rogue was a patchzerg, that's what someone else wrote; I do not agree with that definition. None of them was a patchzerg by any mean. However, Zerg were surely making deeper runs at the time Rogue won BlizzCon since he beat soO in the finals. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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if i look around can i find a vod for it? | ||
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Xain0n
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Edit:Dark never loses against foreigners, gg. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 20:50 travis wrote: was neeb vs serral streamed? if i look around can i find a vod for it? I honestly doubt it, i got up later and the main stream was barely working, no audio. Someone else posted a summary tho + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2019 18:29 Tsubbi wrote: game 1 was cannon rush which got neeb a decent lead and he closed it out easily game 2 was dt archon harass, serral had spore at 99% in the 3rd when dts arrived and he mind game cancelled because he thought neeb was gonna morph archons after getting scouted so early, from there it spiraled out of control | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16038 Posts
On March 11 2019 20:50 travis wrote: was neeb vs serral streamed? if i look around can i find a vod for it? only in german https://www.twitch.tv/videos/393771368?t=00h26m01s | ||
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FBTsingLoong
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On March 11 2019 20:50 travis wrote: was neeb vs serral streamed? if i look around can i find a vod for it? If you don't mind,you can watch this vod in Chinese. https://www.bilibili.com/video/av45980247 | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 11 2019 20:59 FBTsingLoong wrote: Breaking news:Maru lost to Meomaika,0:2.Unbelievable. Lol holy shit. Slump confirmed | ||
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BerserkSword
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where all the maru fanboys at? | ||
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Xain0n
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Did he beat Special, too? The results were not updated. | ||
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Kimb3r
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On March 11 2019 21:06 TheOneAboveU wrote: Every superpower loses in Vietnam once in a while. Good one :D Anybody knows if Lambo vs MaNa gets streamed? | ||
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tlamda
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On March 11 2019 21:08 Kimb3r wrote: Good one :D Anybody knows if Lambo vs MaNa gets streamed? FYI， ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xGhy0mk.png) left is wesg twitch channel, right is alternative sc2 channel only available in china. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2019 21:11 tlamda wrote: On March 11 2019 21:08 Kimb3r wrote: Good one :D Anybody knows if Lambo vs MaNa gets streamed? FYI， left is wesg twitch channel, right is alternative sc2 channel only available in china. German stream also shows the games on the right side. German stream will have Serral vs. ShoWTimE next at 13:30 CET. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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why would there be a channel only available in china.. | ||
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tlamda
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On March 11 2019 21:15 travis wrote: thank you germany, lol why would there be a channel only available in china.. might for not inviting enough foreign caster? I don't know. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
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On March 11 2019 21:11 tlamda wrote: FYI， left is wesg twitch channel, right is alternative sc2 channel only available in china. WESG second stage http://www.huya.com/wesg2 | ||
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Geo.Rion
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If Neeb loses to Harstem then Serral ends the group as nr 1, and Neeb 2nd. Harstem cannot make it, not even with 2-0 over Neeb | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
On March 11 2019 21:51 Kimb3r wrote: Jesus.. ShowTime plays horribly He really struggles in torunaments lately, 7k mmr shouldnt look like this | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On March 11 2019 21:52 Harris1st wrote: Serral is through. Now we just need to wait until Maru bombs out (again) Only one can go trough so... | ||
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Fango
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On March 11 2019 21:52 Geo.Rion wrote: Serral is through! If Neeb loses to Harstem then Serral ends the group as nr 1, and Neeb 2nd. Neeb beat Serral h2h so even if he loses to harstem he gets 1st | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 21:53 Fango wrote: Neeb beat Serral h2h so even if he loses to harstem he gets 1st No, because it would be 3 way tie between Neeb, Serral, Harstem (4-1 all of them), and the mapscore would decide, Serral 1st, Neeb 2nd, Harstem 3rd. Serral is 8-2 right now. Neeb if he loses 0-2 would be 8-3. I guess if he loses 2-1 then i dont know how to proceed, cuz Neeb would be 9-3, that s +6, same as Serral, both better than Harstem. So from there on i'm guessing you would look at the head to head of the two player who tied with both series and mapscore. But i'm not even sure | ||
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rotta
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Fango
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On March 11 2019 21:54 Geo.Rion wrote: No, because it would be 3 way tie between Neeb, Serral, Harstem (4-1 all of them), and the mapscore would decide, Serral 1st, Neeb 2nd, Harstem 3rd Ah yes it would be | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Meomaika had 0.34% of possibilities of beating Maru 2-0 according to Aligulac XD | ||
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Fango
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Seeker
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kmh
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Isn't this sort of thing sort of the point of WESG? Finding people from countries that normally don't get a shot? | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 21:58 Seeker wrote: How the frickin crap did Maru lose to MeomaikA? Maybe on the chinese stream, let's hope there was a hidden stream like that, and there s some vod | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
Terrible lag Terrible sound effect language Terrible settings Terrible timetable and tournament format Terrible translation Terrible broadcast Terrible Ali sports and WESG | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7075 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:00 RealityTheGreat wrote: Terrible prize allocation Terrible lag Terrible sound effect language Terrible settings Terrible timetable and tournament format Terrible translation Terrible broadcast Terrible Ali sports and WESG Still better than no tournament at all | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On March 11 2019 21:59 kmh wrote: Maybe MeomaikA is just good? He's won all games so far. Isn't this sort of thing sort of the point of WESG? Finding people from countries that normally don't get a shot? I mean he's scary to play on ladder because he does the most random shit ever but I don't think anyone would consider him Maru beating level. It's a huge shock. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 11 2019 22:02 blooblooblahblah wrote: I mean he's scary to play on ladder because he does the most random shit ever but I don't think anyone would consider him Maru beating level. It's a huge shock. Which ladder is that btw? US? | ||
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Kommander
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:02 blooblooblahblah wrote: I mean he's scary to play on ladder because he does the most random shit ever but I don't think anyone would consider him Maru beating level. It's a huge shock. He probably did some random allins while Maru tried to 2 rax/bc rush/nun rush. That's the only way I see it happening | ||
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rotta
5598 Posts
True, kinda fills the void WCG left. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
He has a shot if he steers clear of dark lol | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:08 MarianoSC2 wrote: Guys relax. Maru is obviously saving his best builds until Serral so he can totally embarass him yet again in the next stages Don't underestimate random shit effect. The shock can kill you, firstly proven by Has wall vs. JD. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
With these cheap nyduses I guess everybody can play like Has these days | ||
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romson87
Poland487 Posts
WHAT HAPPENED | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:10 sneakyfox wrote: rip With these cheap nyduses I guess everybody can play like Has these days It's just epic if you think about it. Everybody was talking about blink and it got reverted. And look now, nydus everywhere | ||
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Fango
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TrashPanda
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On March 11 2019 22:12 Fango wrote: If Maru beats Crimson and Demi he still gets first regardless of map score? Yes, cause h2h > map score | ||
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rotta
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sneakyfox
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Cannot out-Has Has | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7075 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:08 sneakyfox wrote: And after all that hype MeomaikA loses his last two series and goes 3-2 Well, Special is pretty good and Puck may have cheesed his way to the wins. Pity that none of these were on stream | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 11 2019 22:16 Harris1st wrote: Well, Special is pretty good and Puck may have cheesed his way to the wins. Pity that none of these were on stream Yeah it would be nice if we were allowed to see just a single game from group C | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:17 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah it would be nice if we were allowed to see just a single game from group C Special vs maru was casted on the main stream | ||
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deacon.frost
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Was it any good? | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On March 11 2019 22:19 Harris1st wrote: This can't be Has playing. Zero cannons? WTF! Saving the good strats for playoffs. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Pretty one sided. Maru tried to 2 rax in the first game and SpeCial killed it before it even finished. Then Maru came back and won in a macro game Maru went for 2 base aggression and won after the first engagement in the second game | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:24 Fango wrote: Pretty one sided. Maru tried to 2 rax in the first game and SpeCial killed it before it even finished. Then Maru came back and won in a macro game Maru went for 2 base aggression and won after the first engagement in the second game Thanks | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:24 Fango wrote: Pretty one sided. Maru tried to 2 rax in the first game and SpeCial killed it before it even finished. Then Maru came back and won in a macro game Maru went for 2 base aggression and won after the first engagement in the second game Oh maru. Wish he would just embrace his inner TY and just play standard way more often. People these days are HOPING he will try some cheese shit because it increases their odds of beating him. If he'd knock it off and only do it rarely it would be way more effective. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On March 11 2019 22:16 Harris1st wrote: Well, Special is pretty good and Puck may have cheesed his way to the wins. Pity that none of these were on stream It's MeomaikA, Puck wouldn't have been the one cheesing. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:30 blooblooblahblah wrote: It's MeomaikA, Puck wouldn't have been the one cheesing. You shut your mouth, how dare you speak like that about our new Zerg Banjo? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:27 Vindicare605 wrote: Oh maru. Wish he would just embrace his inner TY and just play standard way more often. People these days are HOPING he will try some cheese shit because it increases their odds of beating him. If he'd knock it off and only do it rarely it would be way more effective. It's been that way for years. In the iem qualifier last year he was outplaying Gumiho so hard but lost the series 2-3 by failing so many proxies. The blizzcon match against sOs is probably the prime example. sOs was struggling to beat HeroMarine in macro games and Maru still tries to proxy every game | ||
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Need
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![[image loading]](https://cdn-07.anonfile.com/Yaf98aw5ba/b96fa6db-1552311323/Screenshot+2019-03-11+at+13.24.45.png) What happened here to the best player in the world? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:27 Vindicare605 wrote: Oh maru. Wish he would just embrace his inner TY and just play standard way more often. People these days are HOPING he will try some cheese shit because it increases their odds of beating him. If he'd knock it off and only do it rarely it would be way more effective. Maru. Maru never changes. Read it in Ron Perlman voice for better experience. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:33 Need wrote: What happened here to the best player in the world? He wasn't playing? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7075 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:33 Need wrote: What happened here to the best player in the world? He advanced 4:1 in Group A | ||
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
Sometimes I also feel like maru is seventeen layers deep in reverse psychology thinking "they will never expect me to cheese them twice in a row because Ive already done that 16 times and I am way better in a macro game". Meanwhile the rest just thinks that maru cheeses often. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
soO isn't there though | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:36 Jerom wrote: Some Jin air greenwings players need to step up their anti proxy game and show maru its not working. Sometimes I also feel like maru is seventeen layers deep in reverse psychology thinking "they will never expect me to cheese them twice in a row because Ive already done that 16 times and I am way better in a macro game". Meanwhile the rest just thinks that maru cheeses often. That's nonsense, Maru dominated via his proxies Proleague(best player), 3 consecutive Code S titles. What you're saying doesn't make any sense. Also now it's knowing others too well, e.g. sOs vs Maru at Blizzcon. He knew what Maru was doing even maybe before Maru did it. Let's face it, if anybody would say they're the Terran and blame the Protoss from maphacking many would be considering it | ||
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sudete
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:16 Harris1st wrote: Well, Special is pretty good and Puck may have cheesed his way to the wins. Pity that none of these were on stream lol your post makes it seem like Puck is some scrub who has to cheese his way to victory against some premier tournament debutante | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 11 2019 22:32 Fango wrote: It's been that way for years. In the iem qualifier last year he was outplaying Gumiho so hard but lost the series 2-3 by failing so many proxies. The blizzcon match against sOs is probably the prime example. sOs was struggling to beat HeroMarine in macro games and Maru still tries to proxy every game I dunno, it also goes the other way around. Like last year's first Code S where KeeN defeated him decisively and looked much the better player in their first series, and the Maru won the rematch by just proxy-raxing On March 11 2019 22:40 deacon.frost wrote: That's nonsense, Maru dominated via his proxies Proleague(best player), 3 consecutive Code S titles. What you're saying doesn't make any sense. Also now it's knowing others too well, e.g. sOs vs Maru at Blizzcon. He knew what Maru was doing even maybe before Maru did it. Let's face it, if anybody would say they're the Terran and blame the Protoss from maphacking many would be considering it +1 | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:41 Harris1st wrote: Group A-D is done and there is absolutely zero suprises of who advanced i dont know man i couldve imagined showtime advancing over neeb, and has advancing over elazer | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
B: 1st MaNa, 2nd Lambo C: 1st Maru, 2nd Special D: 1st Dark, 2nd Elazer MeoMaika 1-2 Special and 1-2 puCK ... | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:41 sneakyfox wrote: I dunno, it also goes the other way around. Like last year's first Code S where KeeN defeated him decisively and looked much the better player in their first series, and the Maru won the rematch by just proxy-raxing Artosis exaggerated the hell out of how much Keen beat him in the first series. It wasn't like he won long macro games, one was a crazy basetrade at like 7 minutes or something, and in the other Maru went for fast 3CC and lost to early cyclone aggression. Even in that second game he almost came back from what was otherwise a dead position by just being a better macro player than Keen. A better example would be the WeSG final against Dark last year. Dark went up 3-2, winning 3/4 of the lategames, then Maru proxied two maps in a row to win 4-3 | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On March 11 2019 22:47 xelnaga_empire wrote: Did Maru get through? Liquipedia isn't updating. Yes, Maru and SpeCial advanced from Group C. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:49 Waxangel wrote: Welp Has didn't get through, time to cancel the tournament boys :[ Impossible to outshine Code S without him | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:43 BerserkSword wrote: i dont know man i couldve imagined showtime advancing over neeb, and has advancing over elazer Those are hardly surprises, the bigget upset of the day was Maru losing against Meomaika, but it did no harm in the end. If Inno wins his group there is a good chanche of Serral vs Koreans happening as early as ro8; unless the draw is predetermined, moreover, there is a whopping 15% of Maru-Serral eventually taking place. | ||
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StabiloBoss20
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On March 11 2019 22:41 sneakyfox wrote: I dunno, it also goes the other way around. Like last year's first Code S where KeeN defeated him decisively and looked much the better player in their first series, and the Maru won the rematch by just proxy-raxing I remember this series. it was at the (short) time where mass cyclone was the only viable build in TvT. Maru apperantly wasnt aware of that. This had not a whole lot to do with being the better/lesser player. Proxy was the only way to avoid that. But technically your point stands. | ||
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Need
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On March 11 2019 22:45 Fango wrote: Artosis exaggerated the hell out of how much Keen beat him in the first series. It wasn't like he won long macro games, one was a crazy basetrade at like 7 minutes or something, and in the other Maru went for fast 3CC and lost to early cyclone aggression. Even in that second game he almost came back from what was otherwise a dead position by just being a better macro player than Keen. Well, Leenock outplayed him pretty hard in a straight up macro game at IEM in game 1, and then Maru proceeded to do proxy rax in g2 and g3 giving him huge early advantage (which he threw away in g3), so people here who think they know better than Maru how he should play like... most probably don't. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:50 Xain0n wrote: Those are hardly surprises, the bigget upset of the day was Maru losing against Meomaika, but it did no harm in the end. If Inno wins his group there is a good chanche of Serral vs Koreans happening as early as ro8; unless the draw is predetermined, moreover, there is a whopping 15% of Maru-Serral eventually taking place. i must be the only nut wanting to see serral vs innovation instead of serral vs maru | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7075 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:54 BerserkSword wrote: i must be the only nut wanting to see serral vs innovation instead of serral vs maru Why not both? :D Edit: Anybody know if there are seeding rules? "1st A vs 2nd B" - Standard seeding? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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so he must be pretty good. good for him. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:58 xelnaga_empire wrote: Is there a link to the Meomaika vs Maru match? How can the best Terran player in the world lose to an unknown Zerg, who isn't even a professional player? The game wasn't streamed anywhere as far as we know. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:57 Harris1st wrote: Why not both? :D Edit: Anybody know if there are seeding rules? "1st A vs 2nd B" - Standard seeding? i wouldnt complain about both but for me, the order is 1) serral vs inno 2) serral vs dark 3) serral vs scarlett 4) serral vs maru and im rooting for neeb to win it all since he's american lol | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 11 2019 22:59 travis wrote: Meomaika also took a game off of special, and puck, and beat demi so he must be pretty good. good for him. Someone who i have honestly never heard of came this close to qualifying from a group with Maru and Special, that s quite something Also, Neeb has very good chance to win or get to the finals at least. The biggest names who are in competition are almost all zergs + Maru and Innovation. PvZ is his best mu, PvP it's his worst (as per IEM interview). There are no Korean protosses at this tournament, and the foreigner tosses who are left are 2nd tier players. Assuming 1st seed gets a 2nd seed, so far he could get Lambo / Elazer / Special, probably Special would be the hardest of those three. And the rest of the groups have a clear nr 1, and are severely lacking the 2nd top tier pro, so i'm asuming the remaining 4 second places gonna be something like E - Ptitdrogo / Probe F - DNS/Bly G - Stefano/ Toodming H - that s actually tough to call, czu everyone from group H is mediocre at best. So Neeb is almost guaranteed to get an easy ticket to the ro8, chances are few of the other top contenders will be out by that point (Serral being 2nd means he's either out in the first round, or takes down a group winner, someone like Maru or Dark etc) So yeha, things looking good for USA | ||
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StabiloBoss20
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On March 11 2019 23:06 Geo.Rion wrote: Someone who i have honestly never heard of came this close to qualifying from a group with Maru and Special, that s quite something he's around for quite some time. he played at asien games demonstration event and made it quite deep AFAIR. But for sure its a big surprise. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:15 xelnaga_empire wrote: I find it really disturbing though that an amateur (Meomaika) can beat one of the best players in the world. This is like an amateur tennis player beating Roger Federer. I mean, if there is a professional tennis player that beats Roger Federer, that's one thing. But an amateur beating Roger Federer shouldn't happen. You wouldn't expect an amateur player to beat one of the best players in the world, in any sport, not just e-sports. And Maru was beat 2-0 too, not even 2-1. Meomaika isn't that bad, his Aligulac score is similar to the one currently XiGua or Dimaga have. Thus said, his 2-0 victory was a huge upset. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:15 xelnaga_empire wrote: I find it really disturbing though that an amateur (Meomaika) can beat one of the best players in the world. This is like an amateur tennis player beating Roger Federer. I mean, if there is a professional tennis player that beats Roger Federer, that's one thing. But an amateur beating Roger Federer shouldn't happen. You wouldn't expect an amateur player to beat one of the best players in the world, in any sport, not just e-sports. And Maru was beat 2-0 too, not even 2-1. Meomaika is at least semi-pro, he made it into wcs winter. I assume Maru did whatever and got cheese 2 time in a row, let's not draw to much analysis, Zest lost to TangTang and professional SC got along just fine with the benefit of having a great meme for the future. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:06 Geo.Rion wrote: Someone who i have honestly never heard of came this close to qualifying from a group with Maru and Special, that s quite something Also, Neeb has very good chance to win or get to the finals at least. The biggest names who are in competition are almost all zergs + Maru and Innovation. PvZ is his best mu, PvP it's his worst (as per IEM interview). There are no Korean protosses at this tournament, and the foreigner tosses who are left are 2nd tier players. Assuming 1st seed gets a 2nd seed, so far he could get Lambo / Elazer / Special, probably Special would be the hardest of those three. And the rest of the groups have a clear nr 1, and are severely lacking the 2nd top tier pro, so i'm asuming the remaining 4 second places gonna be something like E - Ptitdrogo / Probe F - DNS/Bly G - Stefano/ Toodming H - that s actually tough to call, czu everyone from group H is mediocre at best. So Neeb is almost guaranteed to get an easy ticket to the ro8, chances are few of the other top contenders will be out by that point (Serral being 2nd means he's either out in the first round, or takes down a group winner, someone like Maru or Dark etc) So yeha, things looking good for USA The signs definitely point towards a possible top 4 finish for Neeb, but getting to finals/winning would probably mean he has to take out one of Inno, Dark, Maru or Serral in bo5/7. Serral I can see happening, Inno and Maru maybe but against Dark he seems to have a huge mental block. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:18 StabiloBoss20 wrote: he's around for quite some time. he played at asien games demonstration event and made it quite deep AFAIR. But for sure its a big surprise. If he's the Zerg version of Has I can see how he can win in BO3. You win game 1 by something completely random throwing Maru off and then defending proxy into something even more weird. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:33 sudete wrote: The signs definitely point towards a possible top 4 finish for Neeb, but getting to finals/winning would probably mean he has to take out one of Inno, Dark, Maru or Serral in bo5/7. Serral I can see happening, Inno and Maru maybe but against Dark he seems to have a huge mental block. I'm hoping inno, maru, or serral eliminate dark for neeb lmao otherwise neeb's only hope is that he finally gets his head out of his ass when playing against dark. He does have the talent to beat dark. | ||
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Canada8989 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:21 Xain0n wrote: Meomaika isn't that bad, his Aligulac score is similar to the one currently XiGua or Dimaga have. Thus said, his 2-0 victory was a huge upset. It is a big upset for sure, but when you consider that he is a top SEA zerg who likely practices on KR server, it's not a complete shock. Must have just had a few good games, and without a stream/replays to go off, it's impossible to know how the games went. Grats to him though, Vietnam is a cool region to represent in SC2. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:15 xelnaga_empire wrote: I find it really disturbing though that an amateur (Meomaika) can beat one of the best players in the world. This is like an amateur tennis player beating Roger Federer. I mean, if there is a professional tennis player that beats Roger Federer, that's one thing. But an amateur beating Roger Federer shouldn't happen. You wouldn't expect an amateur player to beat one of the best players in the world, in any sport, not just e-sports. And Maru was beat 2-0 too, not even 2-1. Yeah but Roger Federer would play fairly similar tennis against any opponent in a serious setting regardless of if they are a pro whereas Maru probably went for some 0 respect cheese twice in a row against Meomaika. Also Meo is #120 in the world according to aligulac, and in tennis player #120 beating the world champion isn't unheard of. In fact players rated lower than that have won Grand Slam tournaments. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Group H is better than you guys think, TIME and Rail are in good shape while the same can't be said of Kelazhur and SortOf, who are still pretty decent by the way; not an easy group to predict but I wouldn't call it mediocre. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:58 Argonauta wrote: IM expecting maru was memeing the whole day but vs special, tbh.... He is not a serious player. I believe no one ever asked him abut this | ||
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Kazi25
Philippines236 Posts
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Exehn
22 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:06 Geo.Rion wrote: Assuming 1st seed gets a 2nd seed, so far he could get Lambo / Elazer / Special, probably Special would be the hardest of those three. And the rest of the groups have a clear nr 1, and are severely lacking the 2nd top tier pro, so i'm asuming the remaining 4 second places gonna be something like E - Ptitdrogo / Probe F - DNS/Bly G - Stefano/ Toodming H - that s actually tough to call, czu everyone from group H is mediocre at best. So Neeb is almost guaranteed to get an easy ticket to the ro8, chances are few of the other top contenders will be out by that point (Serral being 2nd means he's either out in the first round, or takes down a group winner, someone like Maru or Dark etc) So yeha, things looking good for USA Ptitidrogo and Probe over Reynor? Are you drunk? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16038 Posts
On March 12 2019 00:37 Kazi25 wrote: WESG won't release replays from group stage, yes? Not one of Meomaika's games was streamed, kinda curious how he won most. my guess would be nydus | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 12 2019 00:39 Lollipop11 wrote: Ptitidrogo and Probe over Reynor? Are you drunk? Reynor would be the obvious nr 1, for group E, barring any big surprises. Similarily Inno is clear favorite for 1st in group G | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
On March 12 2019 00:37 Kazi25 wrote: WESG won't release replays from group stage, yes? Not one of Meomaika's games was streamed, kinda curious how he won most. They released all the replays for everything in the previous years. So there's hope. But I can already tell you that he's not the next Serral but closer to the next Noregret. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 12 2019 00:56 Elentos wrote: They released all the replays for everything in the previous years. So there's hope. But I can already tell you that he's not the next Serral but closer to the next Noregret. You mean he will bet eating a shoe and will lose the bet? | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4960 Posts
I dont know how many more wake calls Maru needs before stopping, I think the biggest issue is that its fun from him. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 12 2019 04:59 Kimb3r wrote: Amyone knows the streaming schedule for tomorrow? The WESG Liquipedia webpage | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
I think he meant the featured games on mainstream, since there are games going on simultaneously, some of which arent streamed | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 12 2019 06:33 Geo.Rion wrote: I think he meant the featured games on mainstream, since there are games going on simultaneously, some of which arent streamed in that case then I have no idea | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
Strong recommendation xD gj | ||
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Wardi
England897 Posts
On March 12 2019 04:59 Kimb3r wrote: Amyone knows the streaming schedule for tomorrow? Scarlett Vs MacSed Stephano vs Toodming Reynor vs Probe Kelazhur vs Time Reynor vs Ptitdrogo INnoVation vs Stephano IAsonu vs Probe Rail vs Time Reynor vs iAsonu Kelazhur vs SortOf Scarlett vs Bly Kelazhur vs Rail | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On March 11 2019 23:06 Geo.Rion wrote: Someone who i have honestly never heard of came this close to qualifying from a group with Maru and Special, that s quite something Also, Neeb has very good chance to win or get to the finals at least. The biggest names who are in competition are almost all zergs + Maru and Innovation. PvZ is his best mu, PvP it's his worst (as per IEM interview). There are no Korean protosses at this tournament, and the foreigner tosses who are left are 2nd tier players. Assuming 1st seed gets a 2nd seed, so far he could get Lambo / Elazer / Special, probably Special would be the hardest of those three. And the rest of the groups have a clear nr 1, and are severely lacking the 2nd top tier pro, so i'm asuming the remaining 4 second places gonna be something like E - Ptitdrogo / Probe F - DNS/Bly G - Stefano/ Toodming H - that s actually tough to call, czu everyone from group H is mediocre at best. So Neeb is almost guaranteed to get an easy ticket to the ro8, chances are few of the other top contenders will be out by that point (Serral being 2nd means he's either out in the first round, or takes down a group winner, someone like Maru or Dark etc) So yeha, things looking good for USA LOL so you think Reynor won't get top2 in group E? Good thing I'm not a personality, I'll wager eating a shoe that doesn't happen. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On March 11 2019 22:43 BerserkSword wrote: i dont know man i couldve imagined showtime advancing over neeb, and has advancing over elazer Not if you've been paying attention their form in 2019. Neeb is looking better than he has in two years and Showtime has seemed VERY vulnerable lately, nothing like the Korean beating badass he was last year. It's not a surprise at all that Group A went how it did except that Neeb took a series off of Serral, but maybe that again is just showing which way the wind is blowing in the foreign scene. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
why couldn't they have put Has in Group E or G lol | ||
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egrimm
Poland1199 Posts
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