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- Semifinals: Best-of-five.
- Finals: Best-of-seven.
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[GSL] Super Tournament Season 2 2018 - Day 3
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Poll: Maru vs sOs Maru Wins (34) sOs Wins (26) 60 total votes Your vote: Maru vs sOs Poll: Solar vs Stats Stats Wins (30) Solar Wins (20) 50 total votes Your vote: Solar vs Stats Poll: Bunny vs Dark Dark Wins (33) Bunny Wins (17) 50 total votes Your vote: Bunny vs Dark | ||
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rotta
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Toua
Denmark318 Posts
Park Ryung Woo Fighting ! Kim Dae Yeob Fighting ! Cho Seong Ju Fighting ! | ||
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GedGwd
Syria1 Post
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StabiloBoss20
313 Posts
If sOs "somehow" beats Maru and then lose to Solar he is out of BlizzCon. I think there is no way, Maru would loose to Solar right now... so in a weird way, losing to Maru might be the saver option  Obviously it would be way better to see them fight for the spot straight up. That being said, Stats is prob gonna make there thoughts obsolete. But still... | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Dave4
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brownsy
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
That's pretty cool, maybe this is finally the beginning of his resurgence after many long years. I always found Creator to be one of the tragedies of sc2. He was like one of the original starter Pokemon of the scene along with Life and Maru...and hell you could even throw Dream and Leenock in there as well as the Eevee and Pikachu. Despite that, he was always stuck on the sinking ship of Prime and never came anywhere close to reaching the same heights as his peers ;;  Maru 1-3  sOs Solar 1-3 StatsDark 3-0 BunnyClassic 2-3 CreatorClassic is pretty godly in PvP, but I'm gonna go with the longshot here. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
Maru 3-0 sOsSolar 3-2 StatsDark 3-1 BunnyClassic 1-3 Creator | ||
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dangthatsright
1158 Posts
On September 29 2018 03:42 StabiloBoss20 wrote: Pretty interessting, what JinAir is going to do. If sOs "somehow" beats Maru and then lose to Solar he is out of BlizzCon. I think there is no way, Maru would loose to Solar right now... so in a weird way, losing to Maru might be the saver option Obviously it would be way better to see them fight for the spot straight up. That being said, Stats is prob gonna make there thoughts obsolete. But still... If sOs beats Maru then he picks up another 225 points, which would force Solar to actually win Super Tournament to qualify and not just make the final, I think. (Though even with that, your point might stand anyway...) | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
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Noa Greenini
265 Posts
On September 29 2018 13:08 Cricketer12 wrote: You either are rooting for a Stats v Dark finals, or you're wrong Well I am a dirty terran lover (although I couldn't help but root for Creator yeterday)... | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 29 2018 13:08 Cricketer12 wrote: You either are rooting for a Stats v Dark finals, or you're wrong With Stats winning ofc. Yes please. | ||
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tagliatelle
Canada69 Posts
Creator can show up in the same shape again today. Predicting a Maru v. Classic finals! | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On September 29 2018 13:08 Cricketer12 wrote: You either are rooting for a Stats v Dark finals, or you're wrong Sorry, I want to see the magic of sOs or Creator pull off a massive upset | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:04 Morbidius wrote: Maru ''I struggle a lot against Zergs, but i also struggle against protoss.'' 3 GSL's in a row, i wonder what he'd look like if he wasn't struggling? he wants a perfect season | ||
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tagliatelle
Canada69 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Heartland
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:04 Morbidius wrote: Maru ''I proxy a lot against Zergs, but i also proxy against protoss.'' 3 GSL in a row, i wonder what he'd look like if he wasn't proxying? FIFY | ||
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rotta
5588 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
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207aicila
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Ah cmon, it was just one season of full time proxy and one season of raven abuse. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:17 Vindicare605 wrote: So just asking. sOs is going to Blizzcon right? None of the other capable people got past the Ro32 except him right? Solar could take his spot | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:17 Vindicare605 wrote: So just asking. sOs is going to Blizzcon right? None of the other capable people got past the Ro32 except him right? Solar has a chance, but he has to beat Stats and the winner of sOs/Maru | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
GRRRRR. DEATH TO SOLAR!!! Not literally, just in game. | ||
Waxangel
United States33392 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:18 207aicila wrote: Couldn't make it yesterday, how on god's green earth did Bunny beat soO and Creator beat BaBy?! Bunny beating soO is not that much of a surprise tbh | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:19 Charoisaur wrote: Bunny beating soO is not that much of a surprise tbh Thank you man, I didn't dare to say it | ||
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tagliatelle
Canada69 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:19 Charoisaur wrote: Bunny beating soO is not that much of a surprise tbh It's not as big as the latter yeah but I expected more from soO given the stakes. How about the other then? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:21 207aicila wrote: It's not as big as the latter yeah but I expected more from soO given the stakes. How about the other then? Creator channeled his 2012 form | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:21 207aicila wrote: It's not as big as the latter yeah but I expected more from soO given the stakes. How about the other then? Creator back in top shape! | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
TEAMHOUSE ENVIRONMENT | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:23 Morbidius wrote: Anyone has the link to the sOs video they mentioned? | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:28 Odoakar wrote: How the hell is maru back in this game? well, he should be dead as sOs maxes out | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
Wow, actually big if true. Hope to see more of him in shape then. Thanks. | ||
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Ej_
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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tagliatelle
Canada69 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:32 Durnuu wrote: Alright why does sOs have two twilights in his natural Got both charge and blink at the same time | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:32 Durnuu wrote: Alright why does sOs have two twilights in his natural so he can research two things at once | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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rotta
5588 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:32 Inflicted wrote: Got both charge and blink at the same time Lmao what a man | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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tagliatelle
Canada69 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:34 tagliatelle wrote: NeVeR bAsE tRaDe A tErRaN Flying buildings OP | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Heartland
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Ej_
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Try to cheese the king of cheese again, I dare you | ||
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tagliatelle
Canada69 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Noonius
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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tagliatelle
Canada69 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:47 Morbidius wrote: I really hate bringing this up but these games are looking so fishy. are you insinuating some sort of collusion? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:47 Morbidius wrote: I really hate bringing this up but these games are looking so fishy. They would have either way if sOs wins considering they're both from JAGW and sOs winning is better for them. Doesn't need to mean anything though, so let's hope it's all fair play. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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Heartland
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:51 nojok wrote: sOs is playing well but his style is ugly af that's sOs for you though | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:50 Noonius wrote: who else feels pretty good right about now? Me! $O$ won! After losing 2 best of 5 matches vs Maru, he won now. | ||
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busyghost
82 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:50 Odoakar wrote: Well there goes the chance of maru being proclaimed bonjwa... It seems that Maru wants to help SoS get his ticket to Blizzcon.... Just look at his smile.... | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
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xongnox
540 Posts
Even only gateway units rolfstomps the terran... Now we definitively know where the proxy meta came from. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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sunnyshine
Australia63 Posts
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tagliatelle
Canada69 Posts
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Noa Greenini
265 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
Outside of proxies that are figured out Terrans seem lost | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
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mechzdeus
88 Posts
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:51 busyghost wrote: It seems that Maru wants to help SoS get his ticket to Blizzcon.... Just look at his smile.... Matchfix confirmed  | ||
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romson87
Poland487 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:53 sashkata wrote: So Solar needs to win the whole tournament now. I'm totally cheering for that. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:56 StasisField wrote: Well, the "upset" everyone and their mom saw coming happened lol I would probably agree that it looks fishy if TY stomped the face of Creator 3-0 as expected but he lost 3-1, so sOs just beat Maru legit. | ||
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Heartland
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On September 29 2018 17:59 Heartland wrote: It's so disgusting that you're implying a match fix. Probably not a match fix, but its not like Maru was giving his all there lol | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:00 Sif_ wrote: Probably not a match fix, but its not like Maru was giving his all there lol or maybe sOs just played well? | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
what? | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
im sorry but sOs did not play THAT well. | ||
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
WOWOWOWO there !!! don't get ahead of yourself! | ||
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tofupandas
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:02 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: im sorry but sOs did not play THAT well. Obviously he did. | ||
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:02 tofupandas wrote: sOs always has close games with maru, in fact was 1 game away from beating him in gsl. Why would you doubt the two time WCS champion? Agreed. 2 times he fell to sOs, one in the IEM, one in GSL. He can actually do it, just dies in game 5 of both games. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
I want both at BlizzCon please | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:04 Penev wrote: So I take it the games weren't very good? I thought they were. Lots of back and forth, good micro, mind games. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:04 Penev wrote: So I take it the games weren't very good? Nowhere near as good as Creator vs TY | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:04 Penev wrote: So I take it the games weren't very good? PvT is not very good atm. | ||
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AaBbCc
New Zealand110 Posts
Would be nice to see all three of JAGW's crown jewels at Blizzcon. Despite my Maru fanboy bias, I'd be happy for the prize money to spread among the teamless / low salary players. JAGW's has won pretty much everything in Korea cept' GSL the weekenders. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:05 Heartland wrote: I thought they were. Lots of back and forth, good micro, mind games. I wouldn't call it back and forth at all to be honest. The action was on different parts of the map but no real swings in who is ahead and who isn't at any points. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Creator vs TY was very good. | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
If Maru didn't make any battlecruisers he deserved to lose Hmm, I didn't think TY played very well I have to say. Creator did well though. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:08 Kommander wrote: I agree that sOs is pretty much favored in PvP against anyone, but I think Artosis is wrong in saying that PvP is Stats' weakest matchup. I think it's PvT. http://aligulac.com/players/309/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=offline&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= I don't know if you can call it "weakest" with 5 percentage points difference | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
I mean we dont talk about match fixing here, definitely not. These two gentlemen would never do that. But don't you deny Maru didn't play with less determination to win as it was in GSL finals... And i'm on board with that. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:10 Ej_ wrote: http://aligulac.com/players/309/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=offline&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= I don't know if you can call it "weakest" with 5 percentage points difference If you asked Stats, he would tell you he thinks his PvZ is his weakest match-up. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:11 Elentos wrote: If you asked Stats, he would tell you he thinks his PvZ is his weakest match-up. That's true for every Protoss! But it does seem to be terrible recently :http://aligulac.com/players/309/results/?after=2018-07-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=offline&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Zest would probably tell you it's his best for some reason. | ||
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:11 Elentos wrote: If you asked Stats, he would tell you he thinks his PvZ is his weakest match-up. Yeah, every Protoss would say that PvZ is their weakest. I actually think Stats is the best at PvZ in Korea. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:08 Penev wrote: Hmm, I didn't think TY played very well I have to say. Creator did well though. Creator played the best he could and TY... let's just say he didn't. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:15 Elentos wrote: Creator played the best he could and TY... let's just say he didn't. TY massed BCs though, so he gets cool points | ||
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Elentos
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Durnuu
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Heartland
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Elentos
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"Did you see that? What the fuck man? How did he do that much damage? Protoss is broken, fix that!" | ||
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tagliatelle
Canada69 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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romson87
Poland487 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
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Penev
28481 Posts
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Heartland
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:21 romson87 wrote: This looks even more suspicious than Maru v sOs lol They're not in the same team though. Solar is legit, he lately is on a roll. | ||
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i-MajiN
France113 Posts
btw well play for solar he looks pretty solid to zvp | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
They only were for the better part of 2 years | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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Heartland
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i-MajiN
France113 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:22 Major wrote: i tho if you dont win a round in super tournament but u get invited cause gsl final ur not supposed to get wcs points. atleast it was this way last year. got changed or why ty got 225 points ? Ty was invite and he did not get points so same as last year i guess | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
It's like winning a war with a crossbow vs a tank. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:26 i-MajiN wrote: Ty was invite and he did not get points so same as last year i guess It was changed on Liquipedia though by the same person who yesterday undid a change that added 225 points for TY. Would like an explanation. | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:26 Heartland wrote: Tasteless looks like he's sick or been running a mile It's probably hot there, Arty looks a bit shiny as well | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:12 Elentos wrote: Zest would probably tell you it's his best for some reason. Just like he said he'd 4-0 Maru in GSL. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote: It was changed on Liquipedia though by the same person who yesterday undid a change that added 225 points for TY. Would like an explanation. Someone was expecting TY to roflstomp creator and added the points to get it over with? | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:36 Morbidius wrote: Someone was expecting TY to roflstomp creator and added the points to get it over with? Then TY would have 450 and not 225 | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote: It was changed on Liquipedia though by the same person who yesterday undid a change that added 225 points for TY. Would like an explanation. The table is updated using a google docs spreadsheet so probably forgot to undo it there | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:36 Morbidius wrote: Someone was expecting TY to roflstomp creator and added the points to get it over with?  index.php?title=2018 StarCraft II World Championship Series Korea/Standings&action=historyLook at the history. He removes the points with a detailed explanation. Then he adds them back. On September 29 2018 18:38 Inflicted wrote: The table is updated using a google docs spreadsheet so probably forgot to undo it there Spreadsheets | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:38 Elentos wrote: index.php?title=2018 StarCraft II World Championship Series Korea/Standings&action=historyLook at the history. He removes the points with a detailed explanation. Then he adds them back. Spreadsheets Super Tournamentgate | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
It's been a long time since we had a proper #gate | ||
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Penev
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:41 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: btw having sOs vs solar direct match is probably the best scenario we could have this tournament (or second to Maru vs TY rematch) I mean we could have had Trap and soO advance too so it's a 4-way. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:41 Heartland wrote: It's been a long time since we had a proper #gate Member Chilegate | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:41 Penev wrote: I hope Solar's monitor is working properly now that they've replaced his pc Does this give you ISP flashbacks | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
No? | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:41 Elentos wrote: I mean we could have had Trap and soO advance too so it's a 4-way. yeah, good point, i first meant starting today but then added the Maru vs TY which made my point less clear. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
WOW. RIP Chile. | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
Since about 2 weeks I'm having some of the problems back I had back then. I'm in full deniel mode right now D: | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
So it worked... | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
Basically, in Nation Wars we saw plenty of matches getting played from replay but not the Chile match, which got them disqualified because "they could not play live". When I kept asking in the thread where O'Gaming admin Aeromi was hanging, he kept ignoring me and not giving an answer (while answering other questions ) as to why Chile got disqualified and not the other teams. Turns out they just couldn't figure out a time to play with the other team, even from replays, but for some reason I just didn't get an answer (and got an warning for "harassment" ). | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:45 Durnuu wrote: Basically, in Nation Wars we saw plenty of matches getting played from replay but not the Chile match, which got them disqualified because "they could not play live". When I kept asking in the thread where O'Gaming admin Aeromi was hanging, he kept ignoring me and not giving an answer (while answering other questions ) as to why Chile got disqualified and not the other teams. Turns out they just couldn't figure out a time to play with the other team, even from replays, but for some reason I just didn't get an answer (and got an warning for "harassment" ).how could I have missed this? This is bigger than 9/11 | ||
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Penev
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On September 29 2018 18:45 Durnuu wrote: Basically, in Nation Wars we saw plenty of matches getting played from replay but not the Chile match, which got them disqualified because "they could not play live". When I kept asking in the thread where O'Gaming admin Aeromi was hanging, he kept ignoring me and not giving an answer (while answering other questions ) as to why Chile got disqualified and not the other teams. Turns out they just couldn't figure out a time to play with the other team, even from replays, but for some reason I just didn't get an answer (and got an warning for "harassment" ).You penetrated that throat too deep | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:49 Morbidius wrote: Are these guys trying to get matchfixing accusations going around? I can execute a better chargelot allin offracing. It's all part of pointsgate | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:49 Morbidius wrote: Are these guys trying to get matchfixing accusations going around? I can execute a better chargelot allin offracing. I'm eager to see it. | ||
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sOs never stood a chance to get to blizzcon. | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:53 Charoisaur wrote: It's probably been said before... but does Solar need to win the tournament to make Blizzcon or is 2nd enough? I don't know, do you? | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:53 Charoisaur wrote: It's probably been said before... but does Solar need to win the tournament to make Blizzcon or is 2nd enough? Needs to win | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:53 Charoisaur wrote: It's probably been said before... but does Solar need to win the tournament to make Blizzcon or is 2nd enough? Needs to win I think. | ||
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No, that's why I asked..... Thanks to the guys who actually answered my question. | ||
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I'm sorry | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:55 DBooN wrote: Actually I forgot Bunny is gonna win this tourney, so I guess sOs makes it to blizzcon afterall Would be a success if Bunny won a game vs Dark | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:55 Charoisaur wrote: No, that's why I asked..... Thanks to the guys who actually answered my question. I thought you were kidding since Artosis had just gone on another tangent that Solar needs to win the entire thing. | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:56 Elentos wrote: Would be a success if Bunny won a game vs Dark I believe in the Bunster | ||
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The third is wide open for attacks, even if Stats goes for the stupid decision of attacking the main he can just hit the natural and warp in the back of the main because queens are trying to hold the ramp. Instead he tries to elevator zealots over queens on the ramp, risking his prism, the lynchpin of his push? This guy is the best protoss in world... | ||
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I don't believe that Terrans who almost lose to soO are real. | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:57 Ej_ wrote: I thought you were kidding since Artosis had just gone on another tangent that Solar needs to win the entire thing. Ah I see. I just turned on the stream so I didn't know | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:58 Elentos wrote: I don't believe that Terrans who almost lose to soO are real. soO is good ok, Bunny is gonna win! | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:58 Elentos wrote: I don't believe that Terrans who almost lose to soO are real. They're called foreigners | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:57 Morbidius wrote: The third is wide open for attacks, even if Stats goes for the stupid decision of attacking the main he can just hit the natural and warp in the back of the main because queens are trying to hold the ramp. Instead he tries to elevator zealots over queens on the ramp, risking his prism, the lynchpin of his push? This guy is the best protoss in world... If you kill the 3rd base, all taht does is giving Zerg enough time to make speed roaches and kill you. | ||
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See, not real. | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:59 Ej_ wrote: If you kill the 3rd base, all taht does is giving Zerg enough time to make speed roaches and kill you. Still very weird execution tho. Usually they warp in on one side and run in on the other. | ||
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damn, got me S T A T S | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:01 sneakyfox wrote: Should have waited for baneling speed You either wait for baneling speed and don't YOLO in or you skip bane speed and YOLO in earlier. | ||
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On September 29 2018 18:59 Ej_ wrote: If you kill the 3rd base, all taht does is giving Zerg enough time to make speed roaches and kill you. Stats went for the version with less gates with gas still being mined. He could just keep attacking with zealots and warping in immortals and sentries at home, no way a 2 base zerg would have enough steam to hold and then counter. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:03 Elentos wrote: You either wait for baneling speed and don't YOLO in or you skip bane speed and YOLO in earlier. No YOLO? ;( | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:13 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: "Let me make all these high templar and never storm" "Surely Solar doesn't ONLY have corruptors" | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:13 romson87 wrote: Stats tried do lose this hard No. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:13 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: "Let me make all these high templar and never storm" The "I can beat you without Psi storm" - BM | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:14 Charoisaur wrote: The "I can beat you without Psi storm" - BM the most respectful BM | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:14 Charoisaur wrote: The "I can beat you without Psi storm" - BM He didn't want to storm his own interceptors. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:15 Ej_ wrote: He didn't want to storm his own interceptors. I like to think he wanted to just BM Solar. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:18 Charoisaur wrote: I like to think he wanted to just BM Solar. I'm sure he did | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:31 Fango wrote: ZvZ final incoming no way, Korean zergs are awful. Barely can play the game. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:31 Fango wrote: ZvZ final incoming Bunny or Creator vs Solar final | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:31 Fango wrote: ZvZ final incoming PvZ. This tournament is a perfect P>T>Z>P atm. | ||
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I like Stats and solar they look really nice, specially stats he never looks downcast when he looses solar is performing well vs toss. sOs will need rogue to prepare the next match, the match of his life | ||
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![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/215171496484667394/495543794629083136/unknown.png) HYPE | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:33 nojok wrote: PvZ. This tournament is a perfect P>T>Z>P atm. There's no Terran left for the Protosses. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:36 Elentos wrote: There's no Terran left for the Protosses. Bunny beats Dark and loses to Creator in ro4 | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:33 i-MajiN wrote: GG solar so happy ! the ro4 will be so fun and tense I like Stats and solar they look really nice, specially stats he never looks downcast when he looses solar is performing well vs toss. sOs will need rogue to prepare the next match, the match of his life idk if I'd call it the match of his life - him beating life in 7 games in the 2014 WCS global finals was probably it. God that series was hype! | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:33 nojok wrote: This tournament is a perfect P>T>Z>P atm. Peak balance achieved. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:39 CakeSauc3 wrote: idk if I'd call it the match of his life - him beating life in 7 games in the 2014 WCS global finals was probably it. God that series was hype! Yeah the match vs Life was the match of his Life. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:39 CakeSauc3 wrote: idk if I'd call it the match of his life - him beating life in 7 games in the 2014 WCS global finals was probably it. God that series was hype! Rewatched that series today, it was cool but it was 7 games of gamblegambles. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:44 CakeSauc3 wrote: Does Tasteless actually translate the interviews now, or does someone else whisper it to him as it goes and he just repeats it? Would be pretty impressive if his Korean has gotten that good (though he has lived there for a long time I suppose). He doesn't translate them himself. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:39 CakeSauc3 wrote: idk if I'd call it the match of his life - him beating life in 7 games in the 2014 WCS global finals was probably it. God that series was hype! Yeah you're right at least it's the match of this year for sOs cause if he looses, there is no more match for him in 2018 | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:44 CakeSauc3 wrote: Does Tasteless actually translate the interviews now, or does someone else whisper it to him as it goes and he just repeats it? Would be pretty impressive if his Korean has gotten that good (though he has lived there for a long time I suppose). The commentators are fed the translations into an earpiece. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:44 romson87 wrote: Guess sOs has no chances against Solar, so it's up to Classic or Dark to beat Solar in the final if he's about to qualify for Blizzcon. Uuh sOs surely doesn't want to rely on Dark winning the finals. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:46 Charoisaur wrote: Uuh sOs surely doesn't want to rely on Dark winning the finals. It's versus another Korean Zerg. We can do it. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:47 Ej_ wrote: It's versus another Korean Zerg. We can do it. 2016 StarCraft II StarLeague Season 2/Main Event | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:48 Morbidius wrote: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2016_StarCraft_II_StarLeague_Season_2/Main_Event Dark went on to beat Solar in cross finals ;o | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:47 Ej_ wrote: It's versus another Korean Zerg. We can do it. He couldn't even beat soO in the finals | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:49 Ej_ wrote: Dark went on to beat Solar in cross finals ;o Best of fives don't count | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:49 Ej_ wrote: Dark went on to beat Solar in cross finals ;o Dark can win any match except the ones that actually matter | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:54 Fango wrote: Dark can win any match except the ones that actually matter I wish I was well off enough that 17 thousand dollars wouldn't matter to me. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:58 Greenei wrote: tasteless is really pushing the "bunny sucks at lategame" line. And then Bunny shows it, right on cue lol | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:58 Greenei wrote: tasteless is really pushing the "bunny sucks at lategame" line. At least this one is true. | ||
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On September 29 2018 19:58 Greenei wrote: tasteless is really pushing the "bunny sucks at lategame" line. He's also pushing the idea that Bunny beating soO was a massive upset. | ||
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On September 29 2018 20:01 HolydaKing wrote: That was good from Bunny until he had 3 bases. Then he suddenly started to fall behind vs Dark on 3 bases as well (who then ofc got more bases). I guess because he was being too passive? Rather too aggressive. Instead of adding facts/starports/taking 4th base, he added up raxes and went for mass bio/1fact play, which Dark kept defending and eventually won. He seemed to play exactly in the Zerg's hand, but it's kind of how Bunny plays in general. | ||
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On September 29 2018 20:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Dark didn't even sweat. The opposite really. He had to put his jacket on because Bunny is too ez. | ||
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On September 29 2018 20:10 sparklyresidue wrote: did bunny beat soo the same way he's attempting to kill dark? missed the games so far... He did 2 base all-ins vs soO. | ||
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ah, thanks. just wondering. | ||
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On September 29 2018 20:22 Ej_ wrote: Can't believe Dark is up in supply now. What a mismatch :o Can't understate how bad soO is at ZvT. | ||
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On September 29 2018 20:27 HolydaKing wrote: That was very close considering how good the early was for Bunny and how good the map was for tank pushing. Yeah, despite winning Bunny probably doesn't feel to good about the remaining games. | ||
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On September 29 2018 20:28 Charoisaur wrote: Yeah, despite winning Bunny probably doesn't feel to good about the remaining games. No Terran feels too good about playing Dark in the first place I think | ||
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Love the old reference | ||
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Now I'm pretty excited for Classic vs Creator. PvP has been pretty fun lately. | ||
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On September 29 2018 20:44 HolydaKing wrote: Bunny did better than expected. That*s some pretty low expectations. | ||
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On September 29 2018 20:31 Elentos wrote: No Terran feels too good about playing Dark in the first place I think Hey, Bunny got some trash talk in before the match, called soO better. If you talk the talk you better walk the walk, lol. But that last game was brutal. He should stick to proxying. | ||
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I mean in this tournament in general of course. Him winning against soO, while possible, wasn't expected by most people. | ||
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On September 29 2018 20:53 Durnuu wrote: Creator getting his first interview in 6 years He looks so manly now... | ||
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)))))))))))))))))) | ||
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We need Wolf! | ||
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On September 29 2018 21:20 Durnuu wrote: This has to be so tilting for creator We need Wolf! Creator's spinning out of control. Trust going 5-0 into 5-5 was nowhere near this. | ||
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Liquipedia never lies. | ||
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ENVIRONMENT | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:05 Isualin wrote: Creator was never a guy i would think highly like zest or stats but he still plays on a really high level after so many years Creator was absolute garbage for the past 5 years until this tournament, don't get ahead of yourself | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:05 Durnuu wrote: Creator was absolute garbage for the past 5 years until this tournament, don't get ahead of yourself Wow man that's rude. His last good games before this tournament were in 2015, not 2013. | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:05 Durnuu wrote: Creator was absolute garbage for the past 5 years until this tournament, don't get ahead of yourself Yeah, i did not try to imply he was playing like a god during the last 5 year | ||
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Btw why is ForGG featured under SC2 streams? He only streams Remastered. | ||
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Also Creator finishes higher in wcs than Cure this year. | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:05 Durnuu wrote: Creator was absolute garbage for the past 5 years until this tournament, don't get ahead of yourself someone who actually doesn't follow starcraft and just likes to spout his opinion User was warned for this post. | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:11 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: someone who actually doesn't follow starcraft and just likes to spout his opinion Yeah i don't follow starcraft at all | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:11 Fango wrote: Sad for Creator. He'd have been 3-0'd by Dark anyway byt he really could have had this series. Also Creator finishes higher in wcs than Cure this year. Where is the DieuCreator we deserve (but don't necessarily need)? | ||
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tune in tomorrow for more super | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Artosis predicts a ZvZ finals, so I look forward to watching the PvP finals. Sometimes that really scary thing happens where Artosis is 100% right on everything. In that case Solar would now miss Blizzcon after reaching the finals. | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:15 Fango wrote: Specifically sOs, Solar, Classic, and Dark winning today means that no blizzcon seeds/groups for korea other than Maru are confirmed :/ Classic's is confirmed because he just passed Stats and nobody can catch up anymore. Stats too. | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:15 Fango wrote: Specifically sOs, Solar, Classic, and Dark winning today means that no blizzcon seeds/groups for korea other than Maru are confirmed :/ Classic is #2 Seed now- the nearest live player is Dark who is too many points behind to catch up now. Classic plays Nerchio and Special in his group. | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:15 Elentos wrote: Classic's is confirmed because he just passed Stats and nobody can catch up anymore. Ah yeah he is. And Stats is also confirmed at #3. | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:19 Elentos wrote: So what we confirmed for Blizzcon is Classic plays Nerchio, Stats plays Has and 7th Korean seed will be a Zerg (Rogue or Dark) Dark can surpass TY and Zest should he win here? edit: ignore this I misread that | ||
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Group B at Blizzcon is Serral, Heromarine, either Zest or Dark, and either sOs or Solar. Group C at Blizzcon is Stats, Has, Showtime and either Dark or Rogue. Group D at Blizzcon is Classic, Nerchio, Special, and either TY or Rogue. | ||
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On September 29 2018 22:21 Yonnua wrote: Group A at Blizzcon is Maru, Neeb, Lambo and either Zest or TY. Group B at Blizzcon is Serral, Heromarine, either Zest or Dark, and either sOs or Solar. Group C at Blizzcon is Stats, Has, Showtime and either Dark or Rogue. Group D at Blizzcon is Classic, Nerchio, Special, and either TY or Rogue. This leaves me in a conflict of interest. I don't really want sOs at Blizzcon, but Dark winning the Super Tournament to make it A - Maru, Lambo, Zest, NeebB - Dark, HeRoMaRinE, sOs, SerralC - Stats, Has, Rogue, ShoWTimED - Classic, Nerchio, TY, SpeCialappeals to me more. | ||
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On September 29 2018 23:12 RaFox17 wrote: Is the consensus of TL the every time Maru loses he was not really trying because he does not care to win tournaments all the time? He does not like money? Yes. Maru can only lose when he isn't trying. He's just that good folks. | ||
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On September 29 2018 23:22 Phredxor wrote: Yes. Maru can only lose when he isn't trying. He's just that good folks. Maru is the reverse Taeja. Zero f**ks given to ezy weakender tourneys. | ||
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On September 29 2018 23:12 RaFox17 wrote: Is the consensus of TL the every time Maru loses he was not really trying because he does not care to win tournaments all the time? He does not like money? People always make the money argument whenever progamers don't seem to try very hard at something. Do you really think every progamer always puts their all into every match and tournament? Because there's almost always money on the line. | ||
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On September 29 2018 23:12 RaFox17 wrote: Is the consensus of TL the every time Maru loses he was not really trying because he does not care to win tournaments all the time? He does not like money? Tbf there's really a difference between his performance in the GSL and in weekend tournaments. Though it could also be that Maru needs the preparation to show his best performance | ||
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On September 29 2018 17:53 romson87 wrote: Happy for sOs but I have mixed feelings about this series...Goes without saying that this hasn't been Maru's prime play? Same here...seems Maru is letting sOs decide his own fate | ||
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Gwenbledd
2 Posts
On September 29 2018 18:03 Terra1 wrote: Agreed. 2 times he fell to sOs, one in the IEM, one in GSL. He can actually do it, just dies in game 5 of both games. I'm a huge sOs fan myself but I have to point out that the pace of those games was very different from today's. Basically in the games that sOs won he'd have established a huge advantage at the beginning by doing some one-off builds (aka cheese). In today's games we just kept seeing Maru blunder by doing half-assed timing attacks. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On September 29 2018 22:55 IshinShishi wrote: maru kinda played like he was on ladder trying to get some points, no real cleverness to it, also sOs kept scouting everything ahead of time as if he knew, I wouldn't imply matchfix, but Maru for sure was playing a very lax game. Maru only cares about GSL and Blizzcon. He said this at the beginning of the year. He doesn't care if he loses in these weekender tournies. I doubt he prepares for them either. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On September 29 2018 23:12 RaFox17 wrote: Is the consensus of TL the every time Maru loses he was not really trying because he does not care to win tournaments all the time? He does not like money? Maru has gone on record saying that his focus was on GSL and Blizzcon - not any other tournies this year. Yeah he'd rather win than lose but he is not going to stress himself out or prepare much for these weekender tournaments. He is conserving his energy and form for the tournaments that he believes matter: GSL and Blizzcon. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 30 2018 00:37 Fango wrote: People always make the money argument whenever progamers don't seem to try very hard at something. Do you really think every progamer always puts their all into every match and tournament? Because there's almost always money on the line. Terrible, isn't it? All that price money the pros don't care to win. Too much money in WCS Korea, they should cut it until we get properly motivated pros and cutthroat matches. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 30 2018 02:22 Rodya wrote: Maru has gone on record saying that his focus was on GSL and Blizzcon - not any other tournies this year. Yeah he'd rather win than lose but he is not going to stress himself out or prepare much for these weekender tournaments. He is conserving his energy and form for the tournaments that he believes matter: GSL and Blizzcon. If that is true, Blizzard has to take action. Can't have tourneys with lots of points at stake and the last chance for Blizzcon and then unmotivated and already qualified players are losing to team mates that depends on a win to qualify against the huge favorite and such. That is not good for the scene in any way. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 30 2018 05:58 BaneRiders wrote: Terrible, isn't it? All that price money the pros don't care to win. Too much money in WCS Korea, they should cut it until we get properly motivated pros and cutthroat matches. I think you missed you point a little. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17995 Posts
On September 30 2018 06:04 BaneRiders wrote: If that is true, Blizzard has to take action. Can't have tourneys with lots of points at stake and the last chance for Blizzcon and then unmotivated and already qualified players are losing to team mates that depends on a win to qualify against the huge favorite and such. That is not good for the scene in any way. Do you think he intentionally threw the match? Because that would be bad. But just not finding this tournament important enough to train specifically for, but then giving it 100% when actually in the match is a different thing. It's like the League Cup. Nobody really gives a shit about it, and sets up a B-team to save their main players for the league/CL. However, you can bet your ass that when that B-team is on the field they are doing their best to win. | ||
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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
Neither of them wanted to win for some reason .. EPS 2010/11 back when sc2 had a football style league, the qualified players for the offline stage stopped playing serious. Koreans lost games in WCG tournaments to avoid playing against other Kr players in the KO stage. Look at F1 teamorders, it makes totally sense for Jin Air to get another player to blizzcon. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 30 2018 06:08 Acrofales wrote: Do you think he intentionally threw the match? Because that would be bad. But just not finding this tournament important enough to train specifically for, but then giving it 100% when actually in the match is a different thing. It's like the League Cup. Nobody really gives a shit about it, and sets up a B-team to save their main players for the league/CL. However, you can bet your ass that when that B-team is on the field they are doing their best to win. I don't know what to think about the games concerned. I do think that it is generally bad for any kind of sports that suspicion might even arise of throwing games or not playing at the top of capacity, possibly because of soft / hard team orders or loyalties etc. Remember Barrichello stopping 10 meters for the finishing line to allow Schumacher to win? If Maru wasn't that serious about this tourney as claimed by Rodya above, he probably should have forfeited before it even started and let the guys that need the WCS points fight for it. Now there is a doubt which soils the entire tourney. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 30 2018 06:42 ionONE wrote: Happens all the time, anyone remember BratOK vs Socke (or was it goody dreamhack)? Neither of them wanted to win for some reason .. EPS 2010/11 when sc2 had a football style league, the qualified players for the offline stage stopped playing serious. Koreans lost games in WCG tournaments to avoid playing against other Kr players in the KO stage. Look at F1 teamorders, it makes totally sense for Jin Air to get another player to blizzcon. Funny you should mention F1, I was also thinking about that. Guess what. I cannot stomach any kind of "sport" or players that does such thing. It is simply corrupt. Remember how some 2-300,000 people booed at Schumi when he stood on the podium? + Show Spoiler + Here it is: Not saying that today's event was as bad though. It is difficult to reach as low as this. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
Yeah, possibly. However, with limited high stake tournaments per year, you'd think that pros would actually care about those. If USD 150 is on line it is a different story. I'd like to think that progamers always do their best in tourneys they have accepted to play in, because they are pros and that is professional thing to do. I'd hate to think that progamers are not doing their best for whatever reason it might be, or even worse, for really bad reasons such as they are facing team mates that need points to qualify for blizzcon. That makes a sham of the whole tourney. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 30 2018 06:58 Charoisaur wrote: This discussion is completely pointless. Unless you can read his mind you have no idea if he gave 100% or not so stop throwing around baseless accusations. It is a discussion on a basic principle. Though I agree, we only have Rodya's statement for discussing this particular match. Haven't seen any references to back up those statements so far. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 30 2018 07:00 BaneRiders wrote: Yeah, possibly. However, with limited high stake tournaments per year, you'd think that pros would actually care about those. If USD 150 is on line it is a different story. I'd like to think that progamers always do their best in tourneys they have accepted to play in, because they are pros and that is professional thing to do. I'd hate to think that progamers are not doing their best for whatever reason it might be, or even worse, for really bad reasons such as they are facing team mates that need points to qualify for blizzcon. That makes a sham of the whole tourney. You have to look at it differently, matchfixing accusations aside it seems clear that players do no prepare for everything exactly the same. Before a gsl finals one would probably do the extra hours of training and theory crafting and thinking about the game, etc to get every advantage you can. That doesn't mean that players do not try to win every game they play, but the effort put into it before might differ and that also influences the outcome ofc. With that being said, while maru won 3 code s this year he obviously is not invincible either, i will say this again and again but i don't think he is the flash of sc2, but that says more about flash than about maru who is still the favorite against anyone imo. So just using it as an excuse is somewhat lazy, but there surely is some truth to it still, maru even said what his priorities are. Doesn't mean he didn't give a fuck at all obviously, people paint this way too binary. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
Also, the demand that players should always give 100% is just delusional. This doesn't have to be an intentional thing but it's clear that almost everybody would try harder if the win is more important for him/her. Also we don't know what mindgames are going on between sOs and Maru. We saw creator dealing great with TY's proxies, probably because he has the best practice in that regard because of Maru. Same goes for sOs, probably. So maybe Maru tried to play around his typical playstyle in order to don't play in sOs' cards. But then Maru gets on unaccustomed ground - which typically is a good thing for sOs. | ||
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Topin
Peru10078 Posts
On September 29 2018 22:13 yht9657 wrote: Where is the DieuCreator we deserve (but don't necessarily need)? hahahaha this made my night xD | ||
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sunnyshine
Australia63 Posts
How is it when Jin Air players have to play against each other? In case of these “team kill”, they don’t play together to prepare and other teammates don’t interfere. They have to figure it out by themselves. This way, it isn’t uncomfortable. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's not surprising teamkill games are wonky as fuck. | ||
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