On April 28 2018 11:06 pvsnp wrote: On the bright side, Sortof still has it better than Zanster
Last time I checked 25th-32nd is the same prize money regardless of group ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Seriously though, SortOf does have an actual chance here. If Zest goes full Zest in PvZ he can certainly beat him. Not sure about Trap and aLive though.
I don't think Zest going full Zest can save SortOf...though that being said, I didn't think Keen would win a game against sOs or beat Solar in the first series.
On April 28 2018 11:06 pvsnp wrote: On the bright side, Sortof still has it better than Zanster
Last time I checked 25th-32nd is the same prize money regardless of group ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Seriously though, SortOf does have an actual chance here. If Zest goes full Zest in PvZ he can certainly beat him. Not sure about Trap and aLive though.
Yeah but you know that Maru is gonna style so hard on poor Zanster.
The dude was dropping nukes like candy against Serral; I wouldn't put it past him to go for the simultaneous nuke on all of Zanster's hatches. Or maybe he'll quit macroing entirely to micro a 2/1/1 into instawin. Maru is pretty savage on foreigners, regardless of what he does.
On April 28 2018 11:06 pvsnp wrote: On the bright side, Sortof still has it better than Zanster
Last time I checked 25th-32nd is the same prize money regardless of group ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Seriously though, SortOf does have an actual chance here. If Zest goes full Zest in PvZ he can certainly beat him. Not sure about Trap and aLive though.
Yeah but you know that Maru is gonna style so hard on poor Zanster.
The dude was dropping nukes like candy against Serral; I wouldn't put it past him to go for the simultaneous nuke on all of Zanster's hatches. Or maybe he'll quit macroing entirely to micro a 2/1/1 into instawin. Maru is pretty savage on foreigners, regardless of what he does.
He styled on Serral probably because it was ro4 and a 3-0 win. He pretty much killed the entire elite foreigner lineup beforehand with marine attacks.
On April 28 2018 11:06 pvsnp wrote: On the bright side, Sortof still has it better than Zanster
Last time I checked 25th-32nd is the same prize money regardless of group ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Seriously though, SortOf does have an actual chance here. If Zest goes full Zest in PvZ he can certainly beat him. Not sure about Trap and aLive though.
Yeah but you know that Maru is gonna style so hard on poor Zanster.
The dude was dropping nukes like candy against Serral; I wouldn't put it past him to go for the simultaneous nuke on all of Zanster's hatches. Or maybe he'll quit macroing entirely to micro a 2/1/1 into instawin. Maru is pretty savage on foreigners, regardless of what he does.
Maru isn't going to style. He's going to cheese him out and focus his energy on the important matches. I'd say there is a 90% chance he either goes for some mass reaper cheese or a bunker rush in game 1. The remaining 10% is some other cheese.
This game isn't very economic focused on either side--lots of hindering the economy by building early units yet not attacking. That's not too typical for games of this level and much more common at lower levels. Things are normalizing though.
On April 28 2018 13:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What kind of inject method does SortOf use to cause his apm to spike to 1200? Probably the same one TLO goes for, but I don't recall which one it is.
Rapid Fire - there are videos on youtube with instructions
Normally on this map zerg wins by denying the seventh. SortOf succeeded in denying the fifth the entire while. Well played. I wonder if Zest was a bit thrown by the delayed early/mid game.
SortOf played pretty well, and Zest played sometimes well. Overall, pretty impressive multitask, he was defending everything very well until his creep started receding. Killing those immortals was really key.
On April 28 2018 13:55 FrkFrJss wrote: If you know how to play it correctly as the Zerg, lategame PvZ is very hard for the Protoss.
I mean, if you know how to play it correctly as the Protoss, lategame PvZ is very hard for the Zerg too
Letting cracklings snipe off base after base after base is not the correct way
True, but I've seen excellent play from both the P and Z, and if both players make their bases impenetrable, the Zerg player masses spores and spines and gradually wears the Protoss down with viper aducts.
was the second attack at the third necessary? couldnt SortOf just waited for hydras and kept his army near Zest to counter in case he decided to attack?
On April 28 2018 13:55 FrkFrJss wrote: If you know how to play it correctly as the Zerg, lategame PvZ is very hard for the Protoss.
I mean, if you know how to play it correctly as the Protoss, lategame PvZ is very hard for the Zerg too
Letting cracklings snipe off base after base after base is not the correct way
True, but I've seen excellent play from both the P and Z, and if both players make their bases impenetrable, the Zerg player masses spores and spines and gradually wears the Protoss down with viper aducts.
Dunno, that seems a bit optimistic for Zerg. Feedback is a hell of a counter. I will say that Skytoss does not seem nearly as unbeatable as it was last year though.
I don't even hear much whine about it anymore. These days, Zergs whining about Ghost/Raven is much more fashionable
On April 28 2018 14:12 yht9657 wrote: Complaining about immortals when Sortof makes nothing but roaches for 11 minutes...
I agree SortOf produced an ineffective unit composition for what he was facing. But I still dislike watching Immortals. They've just become incredibly boring.
On April 28 2018 14:12 yht9657 wrote: Complaining about immortals when Sortof makes nothing but roaches for 11 minutes...
I agree SortOf produced an ineffective unit composition for what he was facing. But I still dislike watching Immortals. They've just become incredibly boring.
I can understand that, a unit that is tanky and basically only a-moves, just like roaches.
Zealot/Archon/Immortal is just a really amove comp. The best micro you can eke out of it is WP juggling and even that is stained by the ridiculous pickup range.
On April 28 2018 14:22 pvsnp wrote: Zealot/Archon/Immortal is just a really amove comp. The best micro you can eke out of it is WP juggling and even that is stained by the ridiculous pickup range.
There's also sentries force-fielding usually and/or storms but yeah. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't also the only viable PvZ composition and as such present every game.
On April 28 2018 14:22 pvsnp wrote: Zealot/Archon/Immortal is just a really amove comp. The best micro you can eke out of it is WP juggling and even that is stained by the ridiculous pickup range.
Hydra/ling/bane doesn't take much micro either honestly.
On April 28 2018 14:22 pvsnp wrote: Zealot/Archon/Immortal is just a really amove comp. The best micro you can eke out of it is WP juggling and even that is stained by the ridiculous pickup range.
Hydra/ling/bane doesn't take much micro either honestly.
On April 28 2018 14:22 pvsnp wrote: Zealot/Archon/Immortal is just a really amove comp. The best micro you can eke out of it is WP juggling and even that is stained by the ridiculous pickup range.
Hydra/ling/bane doesn't take much micro either honestly.
i feel like aLive mismicroed that fight pretty heavily, think he could have won if he didn't stim his army straight into the colossus and used the vikings to zone them out while his bio killed the nexus instead
On April 28 2018 14:35 Mithriel wrote: That was so disgusting... Protoss can't seem to make the wrong units
I mean, people call me a Terran Whiner™ but losing that game was 99% aLive's fault. If he pulled the boys or micro'd that first push at the third better he could've won right there. He got a faster fourth but then had to cancel it, ate some really nasty storms, and then went full aLive right at the end.
He started off well but made more and more mistakes until he lost. Balance had very little to do with it.
On April 28 2018 14:50 Lexender wrote: It seems we'll have 5/8 protoss from the first 4 groups.
Realistically it looks like eMotion and Billowy will be the only ones not to be in the ro16 this season -. -
another pvp ro16 group inc
Yeah but is it surprising? I mean, those are all kind of big names and Ro16 regulars. At this point in the game's life it's hard to whine at the ro16, if you're a big name you get there because there aren't many good players left in GSL. Only surprise is Patience and we all remember how bad the group was.
On April 28 2018 14:50 Lexender wrote: It seems we'll have 5/8 protoss from the first 4 groups.
Realistically it looks like eMotion and Billowy will be the only ones not to be in the ro16 this season -. -
another pvp ro16 group inc
Yeah but is it surprising? I mean, those are all kind of big names and Ro16 regulars. At this point in the game's life it's hard to whine at the ro16, if you're a big name you get there because there aren't many good players left in GSL. Only surprise is Patience and we all remember how bad the group was.
On April 28 2018 15:46 Parrek wrote: I just tuned in for this match and saw Zest vs Sortof was 2-1. How did Sortof play? Does he have a real chance if he makes the rematch?
He lost against two mass chargelot timings, and won against Skytoss by denying the fifth a lot.
On April 28 2018 15:46 Parrek wrote: I just tuned in for this match and saw Zest vs Sortof was 2-1. How did Sortof play? Does he have a real chance if he makes the rematch?
He lost against two mass chargelot timings, and won against Skytoss by denying the fifth a lot.
Honestly, I expected essentially the opposite. Sortof winning with timings and Zest winning late game. Alright. Could be a good match as long as good scouting happens
On April 28 2018 15:46 Parrek wrote: I just tuned in for this match and saw Zest vs Sortof was 2-1. How did Sortof play? Does he have a real chance if he makes the rematch?
He lost against two mass chargelot timings, and won against Skytoss by denying the fifth a lot.
Honestly, I expected essentially the opposite. Sortof winning with timings and Zest winning late game. Alright. Could be a good match as long as good scouting happens
For the game 1 chargelot timing SortOf didn't scout and just got completely blindsided. For the game 3 one he scouted it early enough, and it was closer, but he still lost. Hopefully he's learned something from those games though.
Splits, or lack thereof, are very literally what killed aLive. He ate those massive disruptor hits, ate massive biles, and ate every parasitic bomb. With even mediocre splits he'd be up three games.
Has he always been this bad with splitting? I find it hard to believe that he overlooked such a glaring weakness in his play.
On April 28 2018 15:59 pvsnp wrote: Not bad from Sortof, he seems pretty solid.
Yeah he seems like he's playing well, but at least game 1 could have gone very differently. It seems like he tried to go for the throat a bit too quickly in these games. He ended up making it work, but it could have gone very differently. Still, it's nice to see him go for the kill instead of just falling back too much.
On April 28 2018 16:15 Phredxor wrote: Sortof about to be in the GSL RO16. Truly we have reached the pinnacle of SC2.
Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2...
Luckily, only Elazer lost after winning map one so Sortof doesn't have that going against him. Zest also has the rematch curse going against him. The same one that took out Scarlett
Wow this is so rough all the foreigners were so close just to finish 3rd losing the decider 2:1 Zest was beatable. So were Byun and Patience :/ Better luck next time I guess
Sortof won one map by cheesing and was beyond outclassed in the other two, not sure why people are upset that he got so "unlucky" to lose in 3 maps. Looked more like he was lucky to win one.
On April 28 2018 16:54 DBooN wrote: Sortof won one map by cheesing and was beyond outclassed in the other two, not sure why people are upset that he got so "unlucky" to lose in 3 maps. Looked more like he was lucky to win one.
Classic overhypping of foreigner
It's always good to see a foreigner lose in GSL since the region lock. the fact that it's in the decider match add some peper on that.
:A little sad for aLive (he seems to have slumped hard) but good to see Zest qualifying.
I hope sortof will do well in WCS with his korean training
On April 28 2018 16:54 DBooN wrote: Sortof won one map by cheesing and was beyond outclassed in the other two, not sure why people are upset that he got so "unlucky" to lose in 3 maps. Looked more like he was lucky to win one.
On April 28 2018 16:54 DBooN wrote: Sortof won one map by cheesing and was beyond outclassed in the other two, not sure why people are upset that he got so "unlucky" to lose in 3 maps. Looked more like he was lucky to win one.
I hope sortof will do well in WCS with his korean training
It's funny cause Scarlett and SortOf do well (for foreigners), but they're lucky to get past the ro16 in WCS tournaments.
On April 28 2018 16:54 DBooN wrote: Sortof won one map by cheesing and was beyond outclassed in the other two, not sure why people are upset that he got so "unlucky" to lose in 3 maps. Looked more like he was lucky to win one.
I hope sortof will do well in WCS with his korean training
It's funny cause Scarlett and SortOf do well (for foreigners), but they're lucky to get past the ro16 in WCS tournaments.
they usually struggle in WCS ? I thought Scarlett would be ro8 easy at least
On April 28 2018 16:54 DBooN wrote: Sortof won one map by cheesing and was beyond outclassed in the other two, not sure why people are upset that he got so "unlucky" to lose in 3 maps. Looked more like he was lucky to win one.
I hope sortof will do well in WCS with his korean training
It's funny cause Scarlett and SortOf do well (for foreigners), but they're lucky to get past the ro16 in WCS tournaments.
they usually struggle in WCS ? I thought Scarlett would be ro8 easy at least
Scarlett's only result in 2017-2018 above ro16 is WCS Montreal. SortOf has never placed above ro32 in LotV WCS (or in HotS WCS for that matter).
Incidentally, TRUE, who is usually a ro8/ro4 WCS threat, went out last in his group as opposed to a close third for every other foreigner.
On April 28 2018 16:54 DBooN wrote: Sortof won one map by cheesing and was beyond outclassed in the other two, not sure why people are upset that he got so "unlucky" to lose in 3 maps. Looked more like he was lucky to win one.
I hope sortof will do well in WCS with his korean training
It's funny cause Scarlett and SortOf do well (for foreigners), but they're lucky to get past the ro16 in WCS tournaments.
they usually struggle in WCS ? I thought Scarlett would be ro8 easy at least
Scarlett's only result in 2017-2018 above ro16 is WCS Montreal. SortOf has never placed above ro32 in LotV WCS (or in HotS WCS for that matter).
Incidentally, TRUE, who is usually a ro8/ro4 WCS threat, went out last in his group as opposed to a close third for every other foreigner.
On April 28 2018 16:15 Phredxor wrote: Sortof about to be in the GSL RO16. Truly we have reached the pinnacle of SC2.
Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2...
Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in.
1-1 now. I sense dejavu.
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
On April 28 2018 16:15 Phredxor wrote: Sortof about to be in the GSL RO16. Truly we have reached the pinnacle of SC2.
Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2...
Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in.
1-1 now. I sense dejavu.
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
On April 28 2018 16:15 Phredxor wrote: Sortof about to be in the GSL RO16. Truly we have reached the pinnacle of SC2.
Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2...
Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in.
1-1 now. I sense dejavu.
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote: [quote] Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2...
Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in.
1-1 now. I sense dejavu.
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
I don’t care much about the build (if it’s too strong or whatever), but the win rate of the build isn’t the whole story. If it isn’t played that much in spite of a good win rate that means that the conditions don’t always favor such a build. Therefore, its win rate doesn’t mean that much.
On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote: [quote] Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2...
Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in.
1-1 now. I sense dejavu.
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote: [quote] Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2...
Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in.
1-1 now. I sense dejavu.
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much.
Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in.
1-1 now. I sense dejavu.
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much.
On April 28 2018 16:16 HolydaKing wrote: [quote] Unfortunately he still needs to win one map. Other two foreigners lost this last match 1-2...
Yeah but he plays Zerg and he's playing against Zest. Lock it in.
1-1 now. I sense dejavu.
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
you are right, the build was impossible to beat up until 2 weeks ago when it started losing out of the blue. Obviously ninja patched.
On April 28 2018 16:24 HolydaKing wrote: [quote] 1-1 now. I sense dejavu.
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much.
Maru Dark on Backwater at WESG.
barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax
Sortof just needs to ling flood. Literally never fails.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much.
barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax
So any sort of inherent disadvantage excludes any game in which the Terran player hasn't significantly outplayed the Zerg until ghosts/ravens (being even or down 1 base that late in the game requires the Terran player playing like a god)?
On April 30 2018 01:48 Charoisaur wrote: Show me a game where Zerg gets up to Broodlord Viper and loses vs a Terran barring any sort of inherent disadvantage.
On April 30 2018 01:48 Charoisaur wrote: Show me a game where Zerg gets up to Broodlord Viper and loses vs a Terran barring any sort of inherent disadvantage.
literally every single game maru plays
In most Maru games that go that late, he's secured himself an economy that Terran is not supposed to be able to get. That puts the Zerg at an inherent disadvantage, so they don't count.
On April 30 2018 01:48 Charoisaur wrote: Show me a game where Zerg gets up to Broodlord Viper and loses vs a Terran barring any sort of inherent disadvantage.
literally every single game maru plays
I could argue that in every game he wins late he secured himself an advantage earlier in the game and thus the games don't count. Same argumentation for why the games where Zerg won late apparently don't count.
From the way people are complaining, Nydus literally never fails.
Zest won vs the nydus build twice this week, out of 2.
But the forums told me that Nydus wins 100% of the time, the Zerg just drops it right by the robo and instawins
The 100% winrate was actually true until recently though. The entire time since 4.0 I was asking people to show me a game where nydus fails and no one did.
empirically proven, boom
Is it not? A single pro game where someone held it would have disproven my point yet not one nerd on TL or Reddit could show me one
It's bizarre now a build could literally never lose in a pro game and people still argued that it was fine. Do you assume it lost only when no one's watching?
Show me a pro game where a Terran gets more than 10 ghosts and loses vs. a Zerg (barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax). Same question, pretty much.
Maru Dark on Backwater at WESG.
barring any sort of inherent disadvantage, like failed proxy rax
So any sort of inherent disadvantage excludes any game in which the Terran player hasn't significantly outplayed the Zerg until ghosts/ravens (being even or down 1 base that late in the game requires the Terran player playing like a god)?
not necessarily, but it certainly excludes games where Terran dies to ravager bust and then drags their corpse for next 15 minutes, if you catch my drift
On April 30 2018 02:28 travis wrote: oh ok so then you guys are saying that if the zerg is already winning the game, then they probably win
not sure what your point is
People saying Terran is unbeatable in lategame is stupid when we have seen multiple games where the Zerg won there. You can't just discredit those wins because Zerg "already was at an inherent advantage" because with that logic you can discredit almost every lategame win ever. The advantage Dark had against Maru wasn't that huge.
For the record I think TvZ lategame is terran favored atm but definitely not unbeatable.
EPT
2018 Global StarCraft II League Season 2/Code S
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I sense dejavu.
