I'm surprised 3 of the first 4 voters have chosen Patience and GuMiho.
That's how I voted but I was motivated slightly by my hatred of Zerg players, especially non-Korean ones rather than faith that Patience has regained past form.
I don't think Patience will move on. I even think Scarlett will get first considering she beat both TY and Bunny to qualify in first for the season. Patience should be an easy win for her and I think she can handle Gumiho.
Taking a long shot with Losira. His stats suck for 2018, but I trust in the erratic nature of the CatZerg. Also here's to hoping Gumi and Losira capture lightning in a bottle again like they did at the end of WoL, fucking best series ever
On April 21 2018 05:45 FrkFrJss wrote: I think Gumiho and Scarlett. Scarlett's been inconsistent against Terran but relatively solid against lesser Zergs and Protoss.
Neither Patience nor Losira are top Koreans, and they're low enough that non-Koreans can beat then (as opposed to top Koreans).
I have to agree with this. This is one of the weaker groups in code S IMO.
Fun fact: Losira has a winning lifetime record against Gumiho. Though, in the four series he's played in the last twelves months is 1-3 in series and 5-8 in maps against Gumiho.
Scarlett has a much worse record with 1-6 in series and 5-14 in maps against Gumiho
So this season of GSL is named "Overgrowth"? Huh, I'd assumed that it was going to be something along the line of "Daybreak", "High Noon", "Sunset", but maps work too. Wonder what the third season will be named.
On April 21 2018 13:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So this season of GSL is named "Overgrowth"? Huh, I'd assumed that it was going to be something along the line of "Daybreak", "High Noon", "Sunset", but maps work too. Wonder what the third season will be named.
On April 21 2018 13:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So this season of GSL is named "Overgrowth"? Huh, I'd assumed that it was going to be something along the line of "Daybreak", "High Noon", "Sunset", but maps work too. Wonder what the third season will be named.
Daybreak was the most prolific WoL map, and Overgrowth was the most prolific HotS map, so season 3 will probably be the prolific LotV map, which is probably Dusk Towers of Abyssal Reef.
On April 21 2018 13:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So this season of GSL is named "Overgrowth"? Huh, I'd assumed that it was going to be something along the line of "Daybreak", "High Noon", "Sunset", but maps work too. Wonder what the third season will be named.
King Sejong Station maybe
Too many syllables I think. Neo Planet S also has the same problem. Coda would be a good name (and mirrors Daybreak nicely), but I'm not sure that it's beloved enough in Korea for that.
On April 21 2018 13:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So this season of GSL is named "Overgrowth"? Huh, I'd assumed that it was going to be something along the line of "Daybreak", "High Noon", "Sunset", but maps work too. Wonder what the third season will be named.
King Sejong Station maybe
Too many syllables I think. Neo Planet S also has the same problem. Coda would be a good name (and mirrors Daybreak nicely), but I'm not sure that it's beloved enough in Korea for that.
Coda was a fun map, I think my favorite hots map was Terraform though
Scarlett really got destroyed--she seemed completely caught off guard by the lack of stargate. This seemed somewhat similar to some builds that PartinG goes for.
edit: In fact I think this might be exactly one of the builds PartinG goes for. I'd have to rewatch PartinG vs TRUE to be sure.
Nothing happened for the first 7 minutes, but Patience was so far behind. His third was late yet he had nothing at all to compensate, so I'm not sure what happened.
On April 21 2018 13:27 Moobutt wrote: Wow just one probe on the map and Patience would've won
Nah, I think Scarlett could beat that army head on, but it certainly didn't help
She could've if she hadn't eaten so many storms for no particular reason.
If I were a betting man when she saw the probe building a pylon in base it probably clicked with her that he had nothing else on the map and she could focus on eliminating buildings.
On April 21 2018 13:27 Moobutt wrote: Wow just one probe on the map and Patience would've won
Nah, I think Scarlett could beat that army head on, but it certainly didn't help
She could've if she hadn't eaten so many storms for no particular reason.
If I were a betting man when she saw the probe building a pylon in base it probably clicked with her that he had nothing else on the map and she could focus on eliminating buildings.
Patience was revealed, so she knew there was nothing else. Still kinda sloppy to just leave the hydras there though--it's not like you need to micro particularly hard against an assimilator and a pylon.
On April 21 2018 13:27 Moobutt wrote: Wow just one probe on the map and Patience would've won
Nah, I think Scarlett could beat that army head on, but it certainly didn't help
She could've if she hadn't eaten so many storms for no particular reason.
If I were a betting man when she saw the probe building a pylon in base it probably clicked with her that he had nothing else on the map and she could focus on eliminating buildings.
Patience was revealed, so she knew there was nothing else. Still kinda sloppy to just leave the hydras there though--it's not like you need to micro particularly hard against an assimilator and a pylon.
On April 21 2018 13:27 Moobutt wrote: Wow just one probe on the map and Patience would've won
Nah, I think Scarlett could beat that army head on, but it certainly didn't help
She could've if she hadn't eaten so many storms for no particular reason.
If I were a betting man when she saw the probe building a pylon in base it probably clicked with her that he had nothing else on the map and she could focus on eliminating buildings.
Patience was revealed, so she knew there was nothing else. Still kinda sloppy to just leave the hydras there though--it's not like you need to micro particularly hard against an assimilator and a pylon.
I'm 99% certain the reveal came after she ate a bunch of storms. I could be wrong though
On April 21 2018 13:27 Moobutt wrote: Wow just one probe on the map and Patience would've won
Nah, I think Scarlett could beat that army head on, but it certainly didn't help
She could've if she hadn't eaten so many storms for no particular reason.
If I were a betting man when she saw the probe building a pylon in base it probably clicked with her that he had nothing else on the map and she could focus on eliminating buildings.
Patience was revealed, so she knew there was nothing else. Still kinda sloppy to just leave the hydras there though--it's not like you need to micro particularly hard against an assimilator and a pylon.
I'm 99% certain the reveal came after she ate a bunch of storms. I could be wrong though
On April 21 2018 13:27 Moobutt wrote: Wow just one probe on the map and Patience would've won
Nah, I think Scarlett could beat that army head on, but it certainly didn't help
She could've if she hadn't eaten so many storms for no particular reason.
If I were a betting man when she saw the probe building a pylon in base it probably clicked with her that he had nothing else on the map and she could focus on eliminating buildings.
Patience was revealed, so she knew there was nothing else. Still kinda sloppy to just leave the hydras there though--it's not like you need to micro particularly hard against an assimilator and a pylon.
I'm 99% certain the reveal came after she ate a bunch of storms. I could be wrong though
It came seconds before the game ended.
Okay yeah that's what I thought. I assumed when she saw the pylon in base she knew he couldn't be building anything anywhere else because building an extra pylon in base is just silly if you have a probe out. So all she had to do was make sure her units were killing the buildings and eating storms didn't matter
On April 21 2018 14:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Scarlett's creep spread isn't up to her usual standards considering how bottled up in his own bases Patience has been.
On April 21 2018 14:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Sometimes I think maybe Code A should come back and Code S should shrink, because of games like that
Code A should definitely come back, but it doesn't necessarily have to come at the cost of shrinking Code S. If they do downsize Code S it should follow the old OSL format where the top 4 of the previous season get seeded into the Ro16 and there's a Ro24 beforehand with everyone else.
On April 21 2018 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Thank goodness it was just a mech push with raven support rather than going into ghost/raven ultra-lategame.
He had what, 3 Ravens? Even the haters can't really whine about that.
On April 21 2018 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Thank goodness it was just a mech push with raven support rather than going into ghost/raven ultra-lategame.
He had what, 3 Ravens? Even the haters can't really whine about that.
Even if it was mass ghost/raven I don't think GuMiho murdering Losira would say much about balance.
On April 21 2018 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Thank goodness it was just a mech push with raven support rather than going into ghost/raven ultra-lategame.
He had what, 3 Ravens? Even the haters can't really whine about that.
Thats enough to apply the AA debuff, which is the main strength of ravens.
On April 21 2018 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Thank goodness it was just a mech push with raven support rather than going into ghost/raven ultra-lategame.
He had what, 3 Ravens? Even the haters can't really whine about that.
Thats enough to apply the AA debuff, which is the main strength of ravens.
The debuff becomes less and less important the longer the game goes. And no one's complaining about the debuff--it's the way ravens can just blanket everything with missiles that's contentious.
On April 21 2018 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Thank goodness it was just a mech push with raven support rather than going into ghost/raven ultra-lategame.
He had what, 3 Ravens? Even the haters can't really whine about that.
Thats enough to apply the AA debuff, which is the main strength of ravens.
Yeah, but it's only when the missiles are massed that it starts to look ridiculous. A few AA missiles aren't that big of a deal, especially with a mostly tank push. Its main benefit is for vikings against corruptors/broods.
On April 21 2018 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Thank goodness it was just a mech push with raven support rather than going into ghost/raven ultra-lategame.
He had what, 3 Ravens? Even the haters can't really whine about that.
Thats enough to apply the AA debuff, which is the main strength of ravens.
Yeah, but it's only when the missiles are massed that it starts to look ridiculous. A few AA missiles aren't that big of a deal, especially with a mostly tank push. It's main benefit is for vikings against corruptors/broods.
It's a more big deal than you might think, but yes, in the case of mech army vs hydra it's not as huge as in a bio marine/ghost composition since the units attack more slowly. It's just not as easy to see the effect of it unlike with the big instant dmg of massed ravens. Still, upgrades are huge and people don't want to forget them and AA lasts pretty long and gives -3 to the whole fight for the enemy.
Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Hellions and hellbats will never stop being some of my least favorite units. Look away from your mineral line for 2 seconds and you lose 10 drones. So much fun.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Solar424 wrote: Hellions and hellbats will never stop being some of my least favorite units. Look away from your mineral line for 2 seconds and you lose 10 drones. So much fun.
I swear, the instant Scarlett makes any mistake you show up to whine
On April 21 2018 15:00 Solar424 wrote: Hellions and hellbats will never stop being some of my least favorite units. Look away from your mineral line for 2 seconds and you lose 10 drones. So much fun.
I swear, the instant Scarlett makes any mistake you show up to whine
Aside from not blind-countering that build, what could she have done better? If she moved her drones they would get stack up and get roasted.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Solar424 wrote: Hellions and hellbats will never stop being some of my least favorite units. Look away from your mineral line for 2 seconds and you lose 10 drones. So much fun.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Solar424 wrote: Hellions and hellbats will never stop being some of my least favorite units. Look away from your mineral line for 2 seconds and you lose 10 drones. So much fun.
I swear, the instant Scarlett makes any mistake you show up to whine
On April 21 2018 15:00 Solar424 wrote: Hellions and hellbats will never stop being some of my least favorite units. Look away from your mineral line for 2 seconds and you lose 10 drones. So much fun.
I swear, the instant Scarlett makes any mistake you show up to whine
Aside from not blind-countering that build, what could she have done better? If she moved her drones they would get stack up and get roasted.
Welcome to 2018, where Zergs have had 5 years to figure out how to defend Hellions and Hellbats
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Solar424 wrote: Hellions and hellbats will never stop being some of my least favorite units. Look away from your mineral line for 2 seconds and you lose 10 drones. So much fun.
I swear, the instant Scarlett makes any mistake you show up to whine
Aside from not blind-countering that build, what could she have done better? If she moved her drones they would get stack up and get roasted.
Welcome to 2018, where Zergs have had 5 years to figure out how to defend Hellions and Hellbats
Terran has this neat unit called the Cyclone that shreds Roaches, which complicates things. You have to find the perfect balance between lings and Roaches or you die to the Cyclone/Hellion push.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Solar424 wrote: Hellions and hellbats will never stop being some of my least favorite units. Look away from your mineral line for 2 seconds and you lose 10 drones. So much fun.
I swear, the instant Scarlett makes any mistake you show up to whine
Aside from not blind-countering that build, what could she have done better? If she moved her drones they would get stack up and get roasted.
Welcome to 2018, where Zergs have had 5 years to figure out how to defend Hellions and Hellbats
Terran has this neat unit called the Cyclone that shreds Roaches, which complicates things. You have to find the perfect balance between lings and Roaches or you die to the Cyclone/Hellion push.
If this was December 2016, when Inno first unveiled early Hellbat/Cyclone pushes (new Cyclone) you might have a point.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
On April 21 2018 15:08 aish wrote: is this another pvsnp "defend terran at all costs" thread?
He has 2 states: shit on foreigners or defend Terran, if possible do both at the same time by saying that foreigners are trash at Terran, the only race that requires skill.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard.
Yeah agreed. Mech was pretty dead until swarmhosts got nerfed with patch 4.0.
On April 21 2018 15:08 aish wrote: is this another pvsnp "defend terran at all costs" thread?
Please, tell me what is so imbalanced about Hellions, Hellbats, or Cyclones that Gumiho suddenly discovered today.
I'll wait.
Whining about Ravens is one thing. Whining about this standard-as-sliced-bread shit? Seriously?
When Terrans were losing 20+ workers to Adepts you guys cried imba for weeks until they got nerfed against only Terran. A mech push kills 20+ workers and it's perfectly fine. Seems fair.
On April 21 2018 15:08 aish wrote: is this another pvsnp "defend terran at all costs" thread?
He has 2 states: shit on foreigners or defend Terran, if possible do both at the same time by saying that foreigners are trash at Terran, the only race that requires skill.
I mean trying to argue that terran is imba during a match between a Korean terran champ and a foreigner Zerg is a tad pointless.
Imagine dark or solar against foreign terrans, they would make lings and roaches look broken.
On April 21 2018 15:08 aish wrote: is this another pvsnp "defend terran at all costs" thread?
He has 2 states: shit on foreigners or defend Terran, if possible do both at the same time by saying that foreigners are trash at Terran, the only race that requires skill.
You forgot worshipping avilo as the mech hokage in your caricature.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Also "figuring out SH" took a lot longer than just after GSL season 2. Mech was still dominant in GSL S3 (just look at INnoVation vs Dark)
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won.
On April 21 2018 15:08 aish wrote: is this another pvsnp "defend terran at all costs" thread?
Please, tell me what is so imbalanced about Hellions, Hellbats, or Cyclones that Gumiho suddenly discovered today.
I'll wait.
Whining about Ravens is one thing. Whining about this standard-as-sliced-bread shit? Seriously?
When Terrans were losing 20+ workers to Adepts you guys cried imba for weeks until they got nerfed against only Terran. A mech push kills 20+ workers and it's perfectly fine. Seems fair.
And every single Zerg didn't utter a word of whine about Adepts killing drones, amirite?
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won.
Go ahead. I'm waiting.
Edit: has to be high level games though
Yeah I got that Gonna take me a bit to go through the VODs
On April 21 2018 15:08 aish wrote: is this another pvsnp "defend terran at all costs" thread?
Please, tell me what is so imbalanced about Hellions, Hellbats, or Cyclones that Gumiho suddenly discovered today.
I'll wait.
Whining about Ravens is one thing. Whining about this standard-as-sliced-bread shit? Seriously?
When Terrans were losing 20+ workers to Adepts you guys cried imba for weeks until they got nerfed against only Terran. A mech push kills 20+ workers and it's perfectly fine. Seems fair.
And every single Zerg didn't utter a word of whine about Adepts killing drones, amirite?
And yet Blizzard nerfed Adepts so that they still 2-shot Drones, but not SCV's.
On April 21 2018 15:08 aish wrote: is this another pvsnp "defend terran at all costs" thread?
Please, tell me what is so imbalanced about Hellions, Hellbats, or Cyclones that Gumiho suddenly discovered today.
I'll wait.
Whining about Ravens is one thing. Whining about this standard-as-sliced-bread shit? Seriously?
When Terrans were losing 20+ workers to Adepts you guys cried imba for weeks until they got nerfed against only Terran. A mech push kills 20+ workers and it's perfectly fine. Seems fair.
And every single Zerg didn't utter a word of whine about Adepts killing drones, amirite?
And yet Blizzard nerfed Adepts so that they still 2-shot Drones, but not SCV's.
Oh are you talking about 2016? I was thinking of the Adept-whine of 2017 when they lost 10 health.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won.
Go ahead. I'm waiting.
Edit: has to be high level games though
Yeah I got that Gonna take me a bit to go through the VODs
I'll give some starters. Rogue vs gumiho SSL Rogue vs Maru ST2 Rogue vs Inno ST2 Dark vs Bunny ST2 soO vs gumiho Blizzcon Rogue vs TY blizzcon
Iirc swarmhosts didn't lose once during any of those series. Mech won once or twice maybe (against not-swarm hosts) even though it was the meta for terran back then
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won.
Go ahead. I'm waiting.
Edit: has to be high level games though
Yeah I got that Gonna take me a bit to go through the VODs
I'll give some starters. Rogue vs gumiho SSL Rogue vs Maru ST2 Rogue vs Inno ST2 Dark vs Bunny ST2 soO vs gumiho Blizzcon Rogue vs TY blizzcon
Iirc swarmhosts didn't lose once during any of those series. Mech won once or twice maybe (against not-swarm hosts) even though it was the meta for terran back then
Gumi is not showing good form, guess he's really not himself playing bio. That being said, Scarlett is clearly the 2nd best player this group so she should advance.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won.
Go ahead. I'm waiting.
Edit: has to be high level games though
Yeah I got that Gonna take me a bit to go through the VODs
I'll give some starters. Rogue vs gumiho SSL Rogue vs Maru ST2 Rogue vs Inno ST2 Dark vs Bunny ST2 soO vs gumiho Blizzcon Rogue vs TY blizzcon
Iirc swarmhosts didn't lose once during any of those series. Mech won once or twice maybe (against not-swarm hosts) even though it was the meta for terran back then
Rogue vs Gumiho didn't happen in SSL Dark vs Bunny at Super tournament never went to the mech stage. Either Dark killed Bunny earlier or it was bio. Rogue vs INno/Maru at GSL ST is definitely true though, not gonna check because I remember the same thing. TY vs Rogue G2 (Rogue also won G5 with SH as you said. G3 is a weird one because TY died to his indecision with his double starport) GuMiho vs Serral, both games Bunny vs Rogue G3 GuMiho vs Rogue G2, IEM Shanghai. Fun fact, Rogue won game 3 without SH vs mech.
On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran
Zerg is so much better against Protoss than Terran maybe
I am contractually obligated as a Terran Whiner™ to categorically deny this in every way, shape, and form, cite winrate statistics, pro games, and every Terran loss on the books, and above all, demand Terran buffs.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won.
Go ahead. I'm waiting.
Edit: has to be high level games though
Yeah I got that Gonna take me a bit to go through the VODs
I'll give some starters. Rogue vs gumiho SSL Rogue vs Maru ST2 Rogue vs Inno ST2 Dark vs Bunny ST2 soO vs gumiho Blizzcon Rogue vs TY blizzcon
Iirc swarmhosts didn't lose once during any of those series. Mech won once or twice maybe (against not-swarm hosts) even though it was the meta for terran back then
Rogue vs Gumiho didn't happen in SSL Dark vs Bunny at Super tournament never went to the mech stage. Either Dark killed Bunny earlier or it was bio. Rogue vs INno/Maru at GSL ST is definitely true though, not gonna check because I remember the same thing. TY vs Rogue G2 (Rogue also won G5 with SH as you said. G3 is a weird one because TY died to his indecision with his double starport) GuMiho vs Serral, both games Bunny vs Rogue G3 GuMiho vs Rogue G2, IEM Shanghai. Fun fact, Rogue won game 3 without SH vs mech.
Maybe it wasn't SSL but Rogue was definitely crushing gumiho's mech in something right after he won GSL. Bunny tried to mech against Dark but got annihilated him fairly early on. I'll give you gumiho vs Serral, I forgot about that one. Although its worth noting Serral is not good against korean terran, especially mech as no one on EU plays it.
But still, I think it's fairly clear that mech was a dead comp against SH. The terrans who were beating Zergs before (gumiho, Maru, Ty, Inno) all lost when they attempted mech vs SH. They should have won at least sometimes.
ST2 was the worst, every terran went for mech and it didn't win a single map. Inno was even beating rogue with bio but lost the series by switching to mech.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won.
Go ahead. I'm waiting.
Edit: has to be high level games though
Yeah I got that Gonna take me a bit to go through the VODs
I'll give some starters. Rogue vs gumiho SSL Rogue vs Maru ST2 Rogue vs Inno ST2 Dark vs Bunny ST2 soO vs gumiho Blizzcon Rogue vs TY blizzcon
Iirc swarmhosts didn't lose once during any of those series. Mech won once or twice maybe (against not-swarm hosts) even though it was the meta for terran back then
Rogue vs Gumiho didn't happen in SSL Dark vs Bunny at Super tournament never went to the mech stage. Either Dark killed Bunny earlier or it was bio. Rogue vs INno/Maru at GSL ST is definitely true though, not gonna check because I remember the same thing. TY vs Rogue G2 (Rogue also won G5 with SH as you said. G3 is a weird one because TY died to his indecision with his double starport) GuMiho vs Serral, both games Bunny vs Rogue G3 GuMiho vs Rogue G2, IEM Shanghai. Fun fact, Rogue won game 3 without SH vs mech.
Maybe it wasn't SSL but Rogue was definitely crushing gumiho's mech in something right after he won GSL. Bunny tried to mech against Dark but got annihilated him fairly early on. I'll give you gumiho vs Serral, I forgot about that one. Although its worth noting Serral is not good against korean terran, especially mech as no one on EU plays it.
But still, I think it's fairly clear that mech was a dead comp against SH. The terrans who were beating Zergs before (gumiho, Maru, Ty, Inno) all lost when they attempted mech vs SH. They should have won at least sometimes.
ST2 was the worst, every terran went for mech and it didn't win a single map. Inno was even beating rogue with bio but lost the series by switching to mech.
Gumiho vs Rogue must have been online then, couldn't find those games offline. I honestly can only disagree about SH making mech a dead comp. It at best went 50/50 with it, and that was mostly thanks to Rogue (the same argument that's currently used with Maru and Ghost/Raven). Also, INnoVation lost the last game in ST2 with bio (although I don't disagree, he did far better with bio than with mech in this series).
On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran
Ehh... he played one good game. His ZvP is still bad. And Patience isn't in the same weight class as GuMiho.
He does a cut drone at 55 supply, hydras, no B4 all-in and it has works, that's all.
Last game, his cheese fails.
The thing is there are not these all-ins vs terran, it doesn't work because as you have seen last game going of creep without vipers vs terran is a good way to throw the game even with T3 units.
On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran
Ehh... he played one good game. His ZvP is still bad. And Patience isn't in the same weight class as GuMiho.
How is his ZvZ?
Surprisingly bad lately. Historically I'd of said it's the one matchup he was consistently strong in. For instance, he's had a fairly even record against soO, who's basically the god of the matchup if there is one.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Also "figuring out SH" took a lot longer than just after GSL season 2. Mech was still dominant in GSL S3 (just look at INnoVation vs Dark)
If I'm not mistaken, Dark played quite "strangely" against INno mech, going for Roach Hydra Viper without Swarm Host and dying to the big 3 bases push.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Also "figuring out SH" took a lot longer than just after GSL season 2. Mech was still dominant in GSL S3 (just look at INnoVation vs Dark)
If I'm not mistaken, Dark played quite "strangely" against INno mech, going for Roach Hydra Viper without Swarm Host and dying to the big 3 bases push.
Dark did not build a single SH against Inno in their famous GSL Ro4 series.
On April 21 2018 16:09 starkiller123 wrote: i want to see a protoss try going Colossus vs a zerg just to see how it would go
Neeb tried it against Serral
It did not end well
He tried it a few times earlier in the year too--he won some of the games, but it was similarly mediocre. Also Probe plays (or played) colossi vs Zerg all the time.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Also "figuring out SH" took a lot longer than just after GSL season 2. Mech was still dominant in GSL S3 (just look at INnoVation vs Dark)
If I'm not mistaken, Dark played quite "strangely" against INno mech, going for Roach Hydra Viper without Swarm Host and dying to the big 3 bases push.
Dark did not build a single SH against Inno in their famous GSL Ro4 series.
Games were still amazing
Because Dark considers SH garbage against mech. Quite frankly it's a meme Rogue ever won any games vs mech with hydra/ling/bane/SH because the entire thing is weak to blue flame hellions, which he learnt the hard way in some online cups.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Also "figuring out SH" took a lot longer than just after GSL season 2. Mech was still dominant in GSL S3 (just look at INnoVation vs Dark)
If I'm not mistaken, Dark played quite "strangely" against INno mech, going for Roach Hydra Viper without Swarm Host and dying to the big 3 bases push.
Dark did not build a single SH against Inno in their famous GSL Ro4 series.
Games were still amazing
Because Dark considers SH garbage against mech. Quite frankly it's a meme Rogue ever won any games vs mech with hydra/ling/bane/SH because the entire thing is weak to blue flame hellions, which he learnt the hard way in some online cups.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Also "figuring out SH" took a lot longer than just after GSL season 2. Mech was still dominant in GSL S3 (just look at INnoVation vs Dark)
If I'm not mistaken, Dark played quite "strangely" against INno mech, going for Roach Hydra Viper without Swarm Host and dying to the big 3 bases push.
Dark did not build a single SH against Inno in their famous GSL Ro4 series.
Games were still amazing
Because Dark considers SH garbage against mech. Quite frankly it's a meme Rogue ever won any games vs mech with hydra/ling/bane/SH because the entire thing is weak to blue flame hellions, which he learnt the hard way in some online cups.
Dark has a hundred times my understanding of the game, but Rogue beat Inno and Dark didn't......
Also the only game Rogue won against Inno in the recent ST was the one where he went SH. For whatever reason it seems Inno really struggles against them. Gumiho seems to be the best at dealing with SH, from what I've seen.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Also "figuring out SH" took a lot longer than just after GSL season 2. Mech was still dominant in GSL S3 (just look at INnoVation vs Dark)
If I'm not mistaken, Dark played quite "strangely" against INno mech, going for Roach Hydra Viper without Swarm Host and dying to the big 3 bases push.
Dark did not build a single SH against Inno in their famous GSL Ro4 series.
Games were still amazing
Because Dark considers SH garbage against mech. Quite frankly it's a meme Rogue ever won any games vs mech with hydra/ling/bane/SH because the entire thing is weak to blue flame hellions, which he learnt the hard way in some online cups.
Dark has a hundred times my understanding of the game, but Rogue beat Inno and Dark didn't......
Also the only game Rogue won against Inno in the recent ST was the one where he went SH. For whatever reason it seems Inno really struggles against them. Gumiho seems to be the best at dealing with SH, from what I've seen.
Gumiho lost to soO going swarmhost. And soO's ZvT was unbelievably questionable.
On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea.
Wtf, no it didn't stop working
I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won.
In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting.
Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out.
I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Also "figuring out SH" took a lot longer than just after GSL season 2. Mech was still dominant in GSL S3 (just look at INnoVation vs Dark)
If I'm not mistaken, Dark played quite "strangely" against INno mech, going for Roach Hydra Viper without Swarm Host and dying to the big 3 bases push.
Dark did not build a single SH against Inno in their famous GSL Ro4 series.
Games were still amazing
Because Dark considers SH garbage against mech. Quite frankly it's a meme Rogue ever won any games vs mech with hydra/ling/bane/SH because the entire thing is weak to blue flame hellions, which he learnt the hard way in some online cups.
Dark has a hundred times my understanding of the game, but Rogue beat Inno and Dark didn't......
Also the only game Rogue won against Inno in the recent ST was the one where he went SH. For whatever reason it seems Inno really struggles against them. Gumiho seems to be the best at dealing with SH, from what I've seen.
Gumiho lost to soO going swarmhost. And soO's ZvT was unbelievably questionable.
The games were pretty close though, as I recall. Whereas Inno looked rather hopeless against SH.
Incidentally Losira's aligulac records are wrong. In the "The Gauntlet Global Open #38" he did lose to Shana 2-0, but he was playing Protoss and Shana was playing Zerg.
On April 21 2018 16:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Incidentally Losira's aligulac records are wrong. In the "The Gauntlet Global Open #38" he did lose to Shana 2-0, but he was playing Protoss and Shana was playing Zerg.
Message Shellshock, he can deal with kind of stuff
On April 21 2018 16:56 pvsnp wrote: Hmm.....I guess this is where we find whether Scarlett has truly changed from 2017 or it's the same old Scarlett throwing
Her throwing never left, she threw all 3 of her games vs soO last season.
On April 21 2018 16:56 pvsnp wrote: Hmm.....I guess this is where we find whether Scarlett has truly changed from 2017 or it's the same old Scarlett throwing
Her throwing never left, she threw all 3 of her games vs soO last season.
But throwing in the Ro8 is a significant step up from throwing in the Ro32. There was awhile after IEM Pyeongchang where it looked like Scarlett might actually be the best foreigner for more than a brief hype-fueled moment.
On April 21 2018 16:56 pvsnp wrote: Hmm.....I guess this is where we find whether Scarlett has truly changed from 2017 or it's the same old Scarlett throwing
Her throwing never left, she threw all 3 of her games vs soO last season.
But throwing in the Ro8 is a significant step up from throwing in the Ro32. There was awhile after IEM Pyeongchang where it looked like Scarlett might actually be the best foreigner for more than a brief hype-fueled moment.
It's the difference between being soO or being Curious.
Another indubitably dubious engagement from Scarlett attacking straight into the Protoss army, and Thor was pretty angry today (note: God later known as Zeus by the Greeks).
On April 21 2018 17:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Another indubitably dubious engagement from Scarlett attacking straight into the Protoss army, and Thor was pretty angry today (note: God later known as Zeus by the Greeks).
That first sentence half was straight Ralph Fiennes.
Both this game and Patience vs Losira on Neon Violet feel similar. There's bunches of units wandering around the map attacking bases and sometimes getting annihilated yet the game just keeps on going.
On April 21 2018 17:32 blunderfulguy wrote: If you don't think Scarlett deserves to make it into Ro16 then idk what to tell/show you. Crazy good plays this game.
On April 21 2018 17:32 blunderfulguy wrote: If you don't think Scarlett deserves to make it into Ro16 then idk what to tell/show you. Crazy good plays this game.
From a purely objective position, do you actually believe that?
On April 21 2018 17:32 blunderfulguy wrote: If you don't think Scarlett deserves to make it into Ro16 then idk what to tell/show you. Crazy good plays this game.
She made some terrible decisions in every series, even in this game.
Gotta say, a very unexpected result. I was thinking Scarlett might go through in first since Gumiho's TvZ hadn't been looking super strong lately. But I guess upsets can affect everyone, Scarlett included.
Gratz to Patience, he really stepped it up in that last game. Definitely lived up to his name there.
On April 21 2018 17:33 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Well that is 4 out of 4 zergs gone
Wait for the next group to get concerned. Looks like a solid 4 Zergs minimum making it to the ro16 barring some big upsets. I'd wager 5 with Impact kicking the crap out of Cure and TY
On April 21 2018 17:34 Solar424 wrote: Time for pvsnp and BoggyB to gloat, as is tradition whenever a foreigner loses to the Korean master race.
On April 21 2018 17:34 pvsnp wrote: Gotta say, a very unexpected result. I was thinking Scarlett might go through in first since Gumiho's TvZ hadn't been looking super strong lately. But I guess upsets can affect everyone, Scarlett included.
Gratz to Patience, he really stepped it up in that last game. Definitely lived up to his name there.
On April 21 2018 17:34 busyghost wrote: Think Scarlett has a fever, but neither Patience nor Losira seem to be sober either
Nah she's just been figured out by Korea. They didn't take her seriously at the beginning of the year, but now they do and she's getting wrecked by every one she plays.
On April 21 2018 17:34 busyghost wrote: Think Scarlett has a fever, but neither Patience nor Losira seem to be sober either
Nah she's just been figured out by Korea. They didn't take her seriously at the beginning of the year, but now they do and she's getting wrecked by every one she plays.
That's probably a factor, but Scarlett's mental game is still her biggest problem imo. Her form today was all over the place.
Something something, took long enough for you to throw the game, something something, the only good thing about this group was Tastosis casting. I knew [foreign player] wasn't good enough to beat [Korean player], get rekt. (Am I doing it right Twitch chat/TL/reddit/the internet?)
On April 21 2018 17:33 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Well that is 4 out of 4 zergs gone
Wait for the next group to get concerned. Looks like a solid 4 Zergs minimum making it to the ro16 barring some big upsets. I'd wager 5 with Impact kicking the crap out of Cure and TY
It's probably more likely soO doesn't get out of Group G than that 2 Zergs advance from it.
On April 21 2018 17:34 Solar424 wrote: Time for pvsnp and BoggyB to gloat, as is tradition whenever a foreigner loses to the Korean master race.
Don't forget our boy usopsama
usopsama hates GuMiho for not being KeSPA enough.
He hates foreigners more though, doesn't he?
Yeah. But come to think of it he also hates Patience (and Losira I suppose) so this group was a no-win scenario for him anyways.
I guess it must be hard when you hate more players than you like.
Can't be that hard when the ones you do approve of win the majority of all tournaments.
I just realized that, in 2017, there was exactly 1 Korean champion (Gumiho) and 1 Korean finalist (aLive) originally from eSF. Every single one of the other 22 Korean finalists were ex-KeSPA.
On April 21 2018 17:34 Solar424 wrote: Time for pvsnp and BoggyB to gloat, as is tradition whenever a foreigner loses to the Korean master race.
Don't forget our boy usopsama
usopsama hates GuMiho for not being KeSPA enough.
He hates foreigners more though, doesn't he?
Yeah. But come to think of it he also hates Patience (and Losira I suppose) so this group was a no-win scenario for him anyways.
I guess it must be hard when you hate more players than you like.
Can't be that hard when the ones you do approve of win the majority of all tournaments.
I just realized that, in 2017, there was exactly 1 Korean champion (Gumiho) and 1 Korean finalist (aLive) originally from eSF. Every single one of the other 22 Korean finalists were ex-KeSPA.
usopsama must actually be a pretty happy guy.
Dark was an eSF player but I'm not sure usopsama cares about technicalities.
On April 21 2018 17:33 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Well that is 4 out of 4 zergs gone
Wait for the next group to get concerned. Looks like a solid 4 Zergs minimum making it to the ro16 barring some big upsets. I'd wager 5 with Impact kicking the crap out of Cure and TY
It's probably more likely soO doesn't get out of Group G than that 2 Zergs advance from it.
How do you figure that?
Sure ZvT has never been soO's best but the Terrans he's up against are only evenly matched with him at best (has a slight winning record against both) annnd more importantly, TY is matched against Impact first (whom I don't think he'll beat). So I think soO coasts through on the lesser Terran in Cure and his godly ZvZ.
On April 21 2018 17:34 Solar424 wrote: Time for pvsnp and BoggyB to gloat, as is tradition whenever a foreigner loses to the Korean master race.
Don't forget our boy usopsama
usopsama hates GuMiho for not being KeSPA enough.
He hates foreigners more though, doesn't he?
Yeah. But come to think of it he also hates Patience (and Losira I suppose) so this group was a no-win scenario for him anyways.
I guess it must be hard when you hate more players than you like.
Can't be that hard when the ones you do approve of win the majority of all tournaments.
I just realized that, in 2017, there was exactly 1 Korean champion (Gumiho) and 1 Korean finalist (aLive) originally from eSF. Every single one of the other 22 Korean finalists were ex-KeSPA.
usopsama must actually be a pretty happy guy.
Dark was an eSF player but I'm not sure usopsama cares about technicalities.
If you win enough you become an honorary Aryan KeSPA player.
On April 21 2018 17:33 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Well that is 4 out of 4 zergs gone
Wait for the next group to get concerned. Looks like a solid 4 Zergs minimum making it to the ro16 barring some big upsets. I'd wager 5 with Impact kicking the crap out of Cure and TY
It's probably more likely soO doesn't get out of Group G than that 2 Zergs advance from it.
How do you figure that?
Sure ZvT has never been soO's best but the Terrans he's up against are only evenly matched with him at best (has a slight winning record against both) annnd more importantly, TY is matched against Impact first (whom I don't think he'll beat). So I think soO coasts through on the lesser Terran in Cure and his godly ZvZ.
TY will probably be the winner of the group and Cure 2nd.
On April 21 2018 17:33 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Well that is 4 out of 4 zergs gone
Wait for the next group to get concerned. Looks like a solid 4 Zergs minimum making it to the ro16 barring some big upsets. I'd wager 5 with Impact kicking the crap out of Cure and TY
It's probably more likely soO doesn't get out of Group G than that 2 Zergs advance from it.
How do you figure that?
Sure ZvT has never been soO's best but the Terrans he's up against are only evenly matched with him at best (has a slight winning record against both) annnd more importantly, TY is matched against Impact first (whom I don't think he'll beat). So I think soO coasts through on the lesser Terran in Cure and his godly ZvZ.
Cure almost qualified for the Super Tournament with 2 wins over soO, even that is gonna be a hard match for soO and Cure is arguably the worst player in the group. Plus soO's last match against Impact went 0-3 so even if Impact beats TY that's not an easy win for soO either.
And then there's that part where Impact isn't favored over TY in this situation. His online results look nice, but his offline results aren't nearly stable enough. TY just won an offline event (albeit a small one) on the back of his TvZ and Solar ain't no slouch.
On April 21 2018 17:34 Solar424 wrote: Time for pvsnp and BoggyB to gloat, as is tradition whenever a foreigner loses to the Korean master race.
Don't forget our boy usopsama
usopsama hates GuMiho for not being KeSPA enough.
He hates foreigners more though, doesn't he?
Yeah. But come to think of it he also hates Patience (and Losira I suppose) so this group was a no-win scenario for him anyways.
I guess it must be hard when you hate more players than you like.
Can't be that hard when the ones you do approve of win the majority of all tournaments.
I just realized that, in 2017, there was exactly 1 Korean champion (Gumiho) and 1 Korean finalist (aLive) originally from eSF. Every single one of the other 22 Korean finalists were ex-KeSPA.
usopsama must actually be a pretty happy guy.
Dark was an eSF player but I'm not sure usopsama cares about technicalities.
Oh yeah, I always forget that since Dark spent ages on SKT. He's the last of the SlayerS boys at heart though.
On April 21 2018 18:33 Poopi wrote: Does LosirA even practice anymore?
I'd assume so, he paid for his own flight to IEM Katowice. Still plays in online cups and beat herO & KeeN to qualify for GSL. Not like he played that bad compared to the rest of the group (except Gumi).
On April 21 2018 18:33 Poopi wrote: Does LosirA even practice anymore?
I'd assume so, he paid for his own flight to IEM Katowice. Still plays in online cups and beat herO & KeeN to qualify for GSL. Not like he played that bad compared to the rest of the group (except Gumi).
I didn't see the games but he seems to have dropped in skill level (relative to his peers) compared to WoL. Like back then you'd be scared for foreigners if he were to play them, now I won't bet on him beating Serral or other top foreigners And I don't find him on sc2 unmasked
On April 21 2018 17:34 Solar424 wrote: Time for pvsnp and BoggyB to gloat, as is tradition whenever a foreigner loses to the Korean master race.
Don't forget our boy usopsama
usopsama hates GuMiho for not being KeSPA enough.
He hates foreigners more though, doesn't he?
Yeah. But come to think of it he also hates Patience (and Losira I suppose) so this group was a no-win scenario for him anyways.
I guess it must be hard when you hate more players than you like.
Can't be that hard when the ones you do approve of win the majority of all tournaments.
I just realized that, in 2017, there was exactly 1 Korean champion (Gumiho) and 1 Korean finalist (aLive) originally from eSF. Every single one of the other 22 Korean finalists were ex-KeSPA.
usopsama must actually be a pretty happy guy.
Dark was an eSF player but I'm not sure usopsama cares about technicalities.
Oh yeah, I always forget that since Dark spent ages on SKT. He's the last of the SlayerS boys at heart though.
Patience made it out of the group, I knew it. Didn't bet on him of course, I don't think I ever aced a group with Patience in it, it's just not possible.
On April 21 2018 18:32 Mithriel wrote: Aww man, scarlet lost...
If only she didn't throw that last game vs gumiho...
That wasn't a throw. She was ahead going into that terrible fight, but not massively. Her economy was decent, not god-tier, and Terran players can and do transition to late game these days, so ultras being on the field doesn't mean it was a won game.
Defeating the push on the 4th might have seemed major, but that fight doesn't go the same way had GuMiho not had 2 medivacs cancelling the 5th at the exact same time. I would imagine that the 5th was GuMiho's main priority and the attack on the 4th was a gambit that wins him the game if she doesn't react well and loses both bases.
On April 21 2018 18:32 Mithriel wrote: Aww man, scarlet lost...
If only she didn't throw that last game vs gumiho...
Yeah, it was all Scarlett throwing (not actually them throwing), especially when Scarlett goes blind ~8 broodlords against tempests in Game 1 Map 3. Shows how superior she is as a player
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