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On April 21 2018 15:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:That engagement doesn't even deserve being called 'questionable'. It was unquestionably bad. It's questionable in the same way that running a semi truck high speed into a concrete wall is questionable
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oh geez that was too easy for losira.
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Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran
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On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran Zerg is so much better against Protoss than Terran maybe
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On April 21 2018 15:33 aish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 15:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Why did she push forward before the locust were back up? God that hurts to watch her impatience lost her the game multiple times. you see gumiho pulling back all game for favorable fights. scarlett just attacked attacked attacked.
something i seem to notice with her all the time. Like shes to eager to attack and throws a fighter after winning engagements.
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On April 21 2018 15:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran Zerg is so much better against Protoss than Terran maybe Both of these statements are true I think.
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On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran
Ehh... he played one good game. His ZvP is still bad. And Patience isn't in the same weight class as GuMiho.
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On April 21 2018 15:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran Zerg is so much better against Protoss than Terran maybe
I am contractually obligated as a Terran Whiner™ to categorically deny this in every way, shape, and form, cite winrate statistics, pro games, and every Terran loss on the books, and above all, demand Terran buffs.
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On April 21 2018 15:45 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 15:21 Fango wrote:On April 21 2018 15:14 Durnuu wrote:On April 21 2018 15:12 Fango wrote:On April 21 2018 15:12 Durnuu wrote:On April 21 2018 15:08 Fango wrote:On April 21 2018 15:04 Durnuu wrote:On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea. Wtf, no it didn't stop working I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won. In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting. Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out. I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Go ahead. I'm waiting. Edit: has to be high level games though Yeah I got that Gonna take me a bit to go through the VODs I'll give some starters. Rogue vs gumiho SSL Rogue vs Maru ST2 Rogue vs Inno ST2 Dark vs Bunny ST2 soO vs gumiho Blizzcon Rogue vs TY blizzcon Iirc swarmhosts didn't lose once during any of those series. Mech won once or twice maybe (against not-swarm hosts) even though it was the meta for terran back then Rogue vs Gumiho didn't happen in SSL Dark vs Bunny at Super tournament never went to the mech stage. Either Dark killed Bunny earlier or it was bio. Rogue vs INno/Maru at GSL ST is definitely true though, not gonna check because I remember the same thing. TY vs Rogue G2 (Rogue also won G5 with SH as you said. G3 is a weird one because TY died to his indecision with his double starport) GuMiho vs Serral, both games Bunny vs Rogue G3GuMiho vs Rogue G2, IEM Shanghai. Fun fact, Rogue won game 3 without SH vs mech. Maybe it wasn't SSL but Rogue was definitely crushing gumiho's mech in something right after he won GSL. Bunny tried to mech against Dark but got annihilated him fairly early on. I'll give you gumiho vs Serral, I forgot about that one. Although its worth noting Serral is not good against korean terran, especially mech as no one on EU plays it.
But still, I think it's fairly clear that mech was a dead comp against SH. The terrans who were beating Zergs before (gumiho, Maru, Ty, Inno) all lost when they attempted mech vs SH. They should have won at least sometimes.
ST2 was the worst, every terran went for mech and it didn't win a single map. Inno was even beating rogue with bio but lost the series by switching to mech.
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Patience Losira dehd
rofl
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On April 21 2018 15:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Patience dehd
He is in surprisingly good shape for a corpse
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On April 21 2018 15:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Patience dehd No, protoss
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lol, losira attacking buildings instead of probes.
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I think ironic SC2 casting might be the greatest form of casting
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On April 21 2018 15:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran Ehh... he played one good game. His ZvP is still bad. And Patience isn't in the same weight class as GuMiho.
How is his ZvZ?
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On April 21 2018 15:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran Zerg is so much better against Protoss than Terran maybe Also, Gumiho is a gsl champ and patience was a pubg player a couple months ago.
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On April 21 2018 15:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 15:45 Durnuu wrote:On April 21 2018 15:21 Fango wrote:On April 21 2018 15:14 Durnuu wrote:On April 21 2018 15:12 Fango wrote:On April 21 2018 15:12 Durnuu wrote:On April 21 2018 15:08 Fango wrote:On April 21 2018 15:04 Durnuu wrote:On April 21 2018 15:00 Fango wrote: Idk why artosis always says this about gumiho's mech. Iirc zergs didn't even try swarmhost when he won GSL. Once they actually realised swarmhost work mech stopped working in Korea. Wtf, no it didn't stop working I remember at the time (gsl season 3 until the big patch) I made a comment every time there was mech vs swarm host game and every time the Zerg won. In super tournament 2 mech was the meta for terran and didn't win a single map. Gumiho even lost to soO (who he usually roasted) once he started swarmhosting. Edit: to clarify, mech still won matches, just not when the Zergs realised swarmhosts countered it so hard. Gumiho was lucky he won GSL before they figured it out. I can nitpick you as many games where swarm host lost as you can nitpick ones where they won. Go ahead. I'm waiting. Edit: has to be high level games though Yeah I got that Gonna take me a bit to go through the VODs I'll give some starters. Rogue vs gumiho SSL Rogue vs Maru ST2 Rogue vs Inno ST2 Dark vs Bunny ST2 soO vs gumiho Blizzcon Rogue vs TY blizzcon Iirc swarmhosts didn't lose once during any of those series. Mech won once or twice maybe (against not-swarm hosts) even though it was the meta for terran back then Rogue vs Gumiho didn't happen in SSL Dark vs Bunny at Super tournament never went to the mech stage. Either Dark killed Bunny earlier or it was bio. Rogue vs INno/Maru at GSL ST is definitely true though, not gonna check because I remember the same thing. TY vs Rogue G2 (Rogue also won G5 with SH as you said. G3 is a weird one because TY died to his indecision with his double starport) GuMiho vs Serral, both games Bunny vs Rogue G3GuMiho vs Rogue G2, IEM Shanghai. Fun fact, Rogue won game 3 without SH vs mech. Maybe it wasn't SSL but Rogue was definitely crushing gumiho's mech in something right after he won GSL. Bunny tried to mech against Dark but got annihilated him fairly early on. I'll give you gumiho vs Serral, I forgot about that one. Although its worth noting Serral is not good against korean terran, especially mech as no one on EU plays it. But still, I think it's fairly clear that mech was a dead comp against SH. The terrans who were beating Zergs before (gumiho, Maru, Ty, Inno) all lost when they attempted mech vs SH. They should have won at least sometimes. ST2 was the worst, every terran went for mech and it didn't win a single map. Inno was even beating rogue with bio but lost the series by switching to mech. Gumiho vs Rogue must have been online then, couldn't find those games offline. I honestly can only disagree about SH making mech a dead comp. It at best went 50/50 with it, and that was mostly thanks to Rogue (the same argument that's currently used with Maru and Ghost/Raven). Also, INnoVation lost the last game in ST2 with bio (although I don't disagree, he did far better with bio than with mech in this series).
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On April 21 2018 15:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran Ehh... he played one good game. His ZvP is still bad. And Patience isn't in the same weight class as GuMiho. He does a cut drone at 55 supply, hydras, no B4 all-in and it has works, that's all.
Last game, his cheese fails.
The thing is there are not these all-ins vs terran, it doesn't work because as you have seen last game going of creep without vipers vs terran is a good way to throw the game even with T3 units.
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On April 21 2018 16:03 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 15:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 21 2018 15:54 pvsnp wrote: Losira looking much better against Protoss than Terran Ehh... he played one good game. His ZvP is still bad. And Patience isn't in the same weight class as GuMiho. How is his ZvZ?
Better though still not great I think, but I haven't seen any of it recently.
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This is the kind of imaginary-gladiator-fight shit I would argue about with my brother and friends back in the day.
Damn, those were good times.
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