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Aeromi
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w2gGmo1.png) http://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2018_WCS_Austin/Qualifiers/Europe WHERE TO WATCH  StarCraft |  O'GamingTV |  TaKeTVWHEN TO WATCH Group Stage: 14 April 2018 16:00 CET 15 April 2018 16:00 CET 21 April 2018 16:00 CET 29 April 2018 16:00 CET Playoffs: 12 May 2018 14:00 CET GROUP STAGE Group A:  ShoWTimE  HeRoMaRinE DnS HellraiserGroup B:  Nerchio uThermal  souL ClemGroup C: Serral Bly PtitDrogo StarbuckGroup D: Elazer Harstem Stephano MaNaPLAYOFFS TBD | ||
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DieuCure
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 Gogo HeRoMaRinE ! | ||
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Myrddrael
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HolydaKing
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ShoWTimE, HeRoMaRinEB: Nerchio, uThermalC: Serral, PtitDrogoD: Elazer, Harstem | ||
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arkedos
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Other than that I go with: A: ShoWTimE, HeRoMaRinEB: Nerchio, uThermalC: Serral, BlyD: Elazer, Harstem | ||
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Elentos
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On April 14 2018 23:09 Mozdk wrote: Nathanias looks tiny today. I'm not sure why. He looks tiny every day | ||
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Mozdk
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Wait? Is Nate a tiny man? | ||
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Elentos
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He's pretty short compared to the other casters. | ||
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Mozdk
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On April 14 2018 23:28 Elentos wrote: He's pretty short compared to the other casters. His hands and head looked tiny too. | ||
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D-light
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But what really matters is the size of his heart (for Starcraft). | ||
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Mozdk
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On April 14 2018 23:58 Boggyb wrote: Are those forges normally timed in this match up? I didn't see them get added. You normally add them right after taking your 3rd. | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 15 2018 00:01 Mozdk wrote: I didn't see them get added. You normally add them right after taking your 3rd. He added them around the 7:30-8:00 minute mark. | ||
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Mozdk
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On April 15 2018 00:03 Boggyb wrote: He added them around the 7:30-8:00 minute mark. I didn't watch at that time. Was he forced to delay his 3rd? If those times are correct and he was not delayed by aggression (his own or the Terran), then it's a bit late. But going collosi, you might have to delay them a bit. Because getting that first collosus is important in staying alive. | ||
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blackone
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On April 15 2018 00:22 xongnox wrote: Liberators didn't make that much, Heromarine just 3-base all-ined to death after getting a big opening advantage, and yep in every MU 40+ more army supply can compensate a 2-upgrade lead. ( 2-2 vs 2-0 ) HeroMarine didn't have a 40-army supply lead when their first major fight happened outside of the 3rd. He had liberators. | ||
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HolydaKing
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D-light
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On April 15 2018 00:41 HolydaKing wrote: what the heck is with showtime today. pretty bad control Probably been playing too much terran. Just waiting for that race switch tweet. | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 15 2018 00:47 D-light wrote: Probably been playing too much terran. Just waiting for that race switch tweet. It would be pretty funny if ShoWTime switched to Terran and uThermal switched to Protoss. | ||
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nunez
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+ Show Spoiler + https://clips.twitch.tv/AbstruseDeterminedCurryChocolateRain | ||
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D-light
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On April 15 2018 03:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This is a match between the two people who skill-wise should have made nation wars , but were cheated by the dumb voters. Dumb? Not for the non-americans. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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None of them can beat Serral, so why should you care? | ||
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Musicus
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DBooN
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DBooN
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Or neither I guess... | ||
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Nerchio
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On April 16 2018 01:00 DBooN wrote: Is nerchio too old? Nah, terrans just cried enough for their race to be broken on the current map pool :D | ||
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Elentos
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This game was a total mess boys. More please. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On April 16 2018 01:29 Boggyb wrote: What's the thinking behind getting ultras against mech? I dunno, but staying on Hydra/Roach/Viper was no solution either. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 16 2018 01:08 Nerchio wrote: Nah, terrans just cried enough for their race to be broken on the current map pool :D Is the map pool to blame? In TvZ Backwater is very good for terran, Eastwatch is good particularly as the game goes late, but the others don't seem too bad one way or another (Abio is arguably good for a terran with the right mindset). From a zerg perspective I guess it is a downgrade from having maps like Odyssey around... | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 16 2018 01:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is the map pool to blame? In TvZ Backwater is very good for terran, Eastwatch is good particularly as the game goes late, but the others don't seem too bad one way or another (Abio is arguably good for a terran with the right mindset). From a zerg perspective I guess it is a downgrade from having maps like Odyssey around... If the map pools is Terran favored, what will the TvZ win rates be in a neutral map pool? Low 40s? | ||
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Elentos
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On April 16 2018 01:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is the map pool to blame? In TvZ Backwater is very good for terran, Eastwatch is good particularly as the game goes late, but the others don't seem too bad one way or another (Abio is arguably good for a terran with the right mindset). From a zerg perspective I guess it is a downgrade from having maps like Odyssey around... I definitely say Catalyst wasn't to blame for Nerchio playing the entire game from behind after losing 21 workers to banshees cause he didn't have a spore in his natural | ||
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HolydaKing
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On April 16 2018 01:38 Boggyb wrote: If the map pools is Terran favored, what will the TvZ win rates be in a neutral map pool? Low 40s? Depends on which Terrans get to play. | ||
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Boggyb
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Korea uses different map pools, so in this case, non Koreans. | ||
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On April 16 2018 01:55 HolydaKing wrote: Nerchio better end this soon before mass Raven + Ghosts appear. Though I dunno if soul is good enough to micro these. soul might get there, but I don't think he has the economy to rebuild on that for long. | ||
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HolydaKing
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nerchio really enjoyed that game. can't blame him. | ||
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argonautdice
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On April 16 2018 02:36 Shellshock wrote: nuked I thought you banned yourself | ||
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brickrd
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On April 16 2018 02:40 Lexender wrote: Nerchio is going to win after throwing a lead a 1000 times and then come here to complain that he couldn't win because terran OP and we don't know anything saying when we said he could win at any point, nah man youre right the top foreign players of all time should be listening to forum posts about how to play. that's why they aren't in GSL. all the koreans listen to forum posts, and that's why they're good | ||
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Azhrak
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D-light
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RaFox17
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On April 21 2018 23:55 D-light wrote: https://twitter.com/ENCE_Serral/status/987691912923680769 Serral is such a nice guy to give others a better chance to almost defeat him. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
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On April 22 2018 00:23 RaFox17 wrote: Serral is such a nice guy to give others a better chance to almost defeat him. I don't think Starbuck felt that way to be honest | ||
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Koivusto
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On April 21 2018 23:55 D-light wrote: https://twitter.com/ENCE_Serral/status/987691912923680769 I can only imagine how uncomfortable that can be :O | ||
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HolydaKing
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On April 22 2018 01:28 Koivusto wrote: Too easy for Serral. WCS needs to fly Stats or similar over. Yeah, but he's slightly vulnerable to Terrans. So if he meets uThermal or MajOr, these will probably his hardest matches this WCS. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On April 22 2018 04:06 Lexender wrote: Will there ever be a time were the foreigner scene isn't full with zergs everywhere? 2010? | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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On April 29 2018 23:28 Boggyb wrote: Mana used a stasis ward to trap the queens coming out of a Nydus. Great play. | ||
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Poopi
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Fucking amazing | ||
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hjpalpha
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-> reasoning: https://bit.ly/2r1PziR | ||
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Mun_Su
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On April 30 2018 03:28 hjpalpha wrote: I think the ro8 bracket for EU challenger is already determined (due to the wcs rules): Serral vs Stephano && Heromarine vs Nerchio && Uthermal vs Showtime && Elazer vs PtitDrogo com'on no Stephano vs Serral again | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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i mean clearly serral is a heavy favorite but if there are players to upset him, these are all good choices. for semis i gotta predict serral, heromarine, .. and last two are really tough but I guess I go with showtime and ptitdrogo | ||
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hjpalpha
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On May 02 2018 14:49 travis wrote: pretty insane ro8 i mean clearly serral is a heavy favorite but if there are players to upset him, these are all good choices. for semis i gotta predict serral, heromarine, .. and last two are really tough but I guess I go with showtime and ptitdrogo Yeah, HeRoMaRinE has been performing well against Nerchio recently, so i think (and hope) he will qualify. Serral is for sure the heavy favorite in his ro8 mathc (and in his semifinals too). I think Elazer against PtitDrogo will be close, favoring Drogo because of the Ping from Korea for Elazer. SchoWTimE vs uThermal will be a close one too, i think. But because of the current state of TvP ShoWTimE should be the favorite. Still i hope uThermal can beat him. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On May 02 2018 20:47 hjpalpha wrote: Yeah, HeRoMaRinE has been performing well against Nerchio recently, so i think (and hope) he will qualify. Serral is for sure the heavy favorite in his ro8 mathc (and in his semifinals too). I think Elazer against PtitDrogo will be close, favoring Drogo because of the Ping from Korea for Elazer. SchoWTimE vs uThermal will be a close one too, i think. But because of the current state of TvP ShoWTimE should be the favorite. Still i hope uThermal can beat him. heromarine in general is amazing and underrated. he doesn't seem to compete as much as other people of his caliber.. not sure why. but he often puts up some of the best performances of any foreigner. | ||
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DieuCure
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Azhrak
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Go go Serral! | ||
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Aeromi
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On May 12 2018 21:03 Azhrak wrote: Playoffs starting now on https://www.twitch.tv/starcraft Go go Serral! Stephano* | ||
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D-light
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hexhaven
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R.I.P. | ||
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stilt
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HolydaKing
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(Yes yes, Neeb, Special and Scarlett have shown good results too, but those have been pretty long in the state that they can do beat koreans sometimes. Also they're not EU.) | ||
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D-light
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On May 12 2018 22:05 HolydaKing wrote: Easy to cheer for Serral, I want a foreigner that can compete with the best (aka koreans) and he is the only one that really shows some promise in that regard, as he has improved immensely in comparison to say 2 years ago. I wish he was stronger against Terrran though, I think HeroMarine could actually take him out for that reason. Other guy I'll be cheering for is uThermal, which is also the only foreigner I'd see favored against Serral (sadly ^^). (Yes yes, Neeb, Special and Scarlett have shown good results too, but those have been pretty long in the state that they can do beat koreans sometimes. Also they're not EU.) I mean uThermal himself said during the final day of NW5 that he'd still consider Serral the favorite against himself. The edge is probably one of smaller ones for Serral though when it comes to playing against foreigners, especially if uthermal doesn't go full tilt. | ||
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On May 12 2018 22:05 HolydaKing wrote: Easy to cheer for Serral, I want a foreigner that can compete with the best (aka koreans) and he is the only one that really shows some promise in that regard, as he has improved immensely in comparison to say 2 years ago. I wish he was stronger against Terrran though, I think HeroMarine could actually take him out for that reason. Other guy I'll be cheering for is uThermal, which is also the only foreigner I'd see favored against Serral (sadly ^^). (Yes yes, Neeb, Special and Scarlett have shown good results too, but those have been pretty long in the state that they can do beat koreans sometimes. Also they're not EU.) no way a foreign terran can beat Serral. he smashed Special at the last WCS who's better than thermal or Heromarine. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On May 12 2018 23:30 Charoisaur wrote: no way a foreign terran can beat Serral. he smashed Special at the last WCS who's better than thermal or Heromarine. you may be right in a bo5. i just saw him losing against uThermal in some online tournament recently, but I think that was only bo1. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 12 2018 23:50 HolydaKing wrote: you may be right in a bo5. i just saw him losing against uThermal in some online tournament recently, but I think that was only bo1. In bo1 anyone can beat anyone. People think Serral has poor ZvT because he lost to Maru but forget that not every terran can play like Maru. | ||
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D-light
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On May 12 2018 23:50 HolydaKing wrote: you may be right in a bo5. i just saw him losing against uThermal in some online tournament recently, but I think that was only bo1. Yeah, uThermal held a big roach ravager all-in long enough on a map he got to choose in the PeopleImages thing. | ||
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D-light
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On May 12 2018 23:57 Noonius wrote: is everything's gonna be played today? Yup, all of EU. | ||
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good | ||
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stilt
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2T in 1/2 wcs eu, that's pretty rare. | ||
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Boggyb
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On May 13 2018 02:30 Charoisaur wrote: SHITTY RAVAGER BUILD Not shitty in that game. | ||
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D-light
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On May 13 2018 02:30 Charoisaur wrote: SHITTY RAVAGER BUILD They can't keep getting away with it! | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 13 2018 02:39 VengefulTree wrote: Wait how did Drogo beat Elazer :O Wooohooo! By playing well | ||
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D-light
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On May 13 2018 02:39 VengefulTree wrote: Wait how did Drogo beat Elazer :O Wooohooo! By playing less sloppy than Elazer. And I assume Elazer playing from Korea also has something to do with it also? | ||
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Nerchio
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On May 13 2018 02:39 VengefulTree wrote: Wait how did Drogo beat Elazer :O Wooohooo! Elazer is playing from KR ;d | ||
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Penev
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hey you're not a native speaker, you shouldn't make a mistake like that | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 13 2018 02:49 Penev wrote: hey you're not a native speaker, you shouldn't make a mistake like that no idea what you're talking about | ||
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Penev
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*well | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16074 Posts
I know, it was a joke as I ninja edited my post | ||
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Penev
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On May 13 2018 02:57 Charoisaur wrote: I know, it was a joke as I ninja edited my post you expected me to go back a page? way too lazy for that happy birthday btw | ||
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On May 13 2018 03:10 Poopi wrote: Wtf mech in TvP? Since when is it working? Well, with bio being dead outside of 2 base allins terrans must try something new. | ||
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Boggyb
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On May 13 2018 03:10 Poopi wrote: Wtf mech in TvP? Since when is it working? uThermal has been using it to decent effect for the last few weeks. | ||
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Poopi
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gogo uthermal | ||
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D-light
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On May 13 2018 04:48 HolydaKing wrote: I think uThermal can play better, he is just too salty atm? Serral playing great like always though. When things don't go his way he can get a bit emotional indeed. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On May 13 2018 04:50 -KG- wrote: Serral just has mad skills It is known. | ||
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Charoisaur
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Watching Serral winning everything is much more exciting than watching faceless koreans win everything. | ||
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On May 13 2018 04:58 Charoisaur wrote: region lock worked! Watching Serral winning everything is much more exciting than watching faceless koreans win everything. "Serral wasn't born in Korea, so it's all cool." - Blizzard | ||
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HolydaKing
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On May 13 2018 05:00 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: "Shit games are too short. Lets have a big break!" To be fair they just keep their "after 3 maps, we take a break" plan going... Even if it is very annoying now. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On May 13 2018 04:59 -KG- wrote: Oh best of 7...more pain coming :s whoops I already closed the stream | ||
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HolydaKing
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On May 13 2018 05:03 Penev wrote: who will be the european champion? Avilo of course. | ||
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D-light
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On May 13 2018 05:03 Penev wrote: who will be the european champion? In Eurovision? | ||
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pvsnp
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I hope Serral doesn't turn into 2017 Neeb, the constant hype got pretty cringeworthy by the time Valencia rolled around. | ||
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On May 13 2018 05:09 pvsnp wrote: Did the casters always spend this much time hyping up Serral? It gets pretty tedious after awhile hearing the same stuff over and over. Saying he's the best foreigner ten more times doesn't change the fact that he's.....still the best foreigner. I hope Serral doesn't turn into 2017 Neeb, the hype got pretty cringeworthy by the time Valencia rolled around. He won't. Protoss wasn't super OP when Neeb was dominating, so even if Serral wins 3/4, it won't be nearly as impressive. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Either Australia or Israel, much Europe. | ||
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stilt
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He might still loses this game but he was so far behind. edi : ok he won  | ||
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On May 13 2018 05:30 MarianoSC2 wrote: Okay Serral is obviously really good but is it just me or are all the players suddenly brain dead when playing against him?Just wtf was that from uthermal? Heromarine played extremely poorly for his standards as well. Oh man He has that korean aura. | ||
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On May 13 2018 05:34 Azhrak wrote: Serral is the best, no way around it. Looking forward to Austin. Let's see if Serral can do what Neeb did last year and win 3 WCS events. I do hope we get a Neeb-Serral final, I would not give up on Neeb too quickly on stage in a lan he may be able to retake his throne. | ||
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On May 13 2018 05:34 Azhrak wrote: Serral is the best, no way around it. Neeb beating Rogue is more impressive than anything Serral has ever done, especially since all of Serral's victories of note have come in ZvP which has been somewhere between borderline unlosable and very Zerg favored the entire time. | ||
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FrkFrJss
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However, I do agree that Neeb beating Rogue is more impressive than Serral beating Classic. | ||
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Boggyb
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On May 13 2018 11:23 FrkFrJss wrote: I wouldn't put ZvP in the unwinnable category the last five months it's only really been around 55% as the best Protosses have won against the best Zergs. PvZ was at ~43% before the dropper lord nerf. According to Aligulac's balance report, there have been only 6 periods in the history of the game with a matchup in a worse state. Hell, I think even notorious anti-Protoss balance whining Zergs were relatively silent and that should tell you something. | ||
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D-light
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On May 13 2018 16:09 DBooN wrote: Lol, yeah serral only abusing his race while neeb skillfully beat rogue with mass air + Hts. *beat Rogue who once again played some amazing Starcraft as well as the very consistent performer he is | ||
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