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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
 IEM XII IEM Season XII - PyeongChang Streams & CastersFormat
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Poll: Elazer vs Zest Elazer Wins (59) Zest Wins (54) 113 total votes Your vote: Elazer vs Zest Poll: Scarlett vs Serral Serral Wins (70) Scarlett Wins (42) 112 total votes Your vote: Scarlett vs Serral Poll: Kelazhur vs sOs sOs Wins (88) Kelazhur Wins (11) 99 total votes Your vote: Kelazhur vs sOs | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
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Zaros
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
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Plopus
Switzerland112 Posts
On February 05 2018 22:55 marcesr wrote: Im sure it has been brought up elsewhere, but why do they fly players to Korea for a single Bo5? Is there a good reason for this? After Heromarine dropping out on the first day, this event feels like its half-over already. I don't know but I don't really like this kind of event. I prefer when you have something like 64 players. Going to another country to play only one best of 5 and then leave, it's juste a shame. Players like Demi, eGGz, Nice and Dns went there to loose 3 maps and that's it. I prefer the WCS format. Additionally, many matches are not really interesting in this tournament. I mean, who is interested in seing SoS vs Dns? That is not a match you want to see in a round of 16. | ||
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Pandemona
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Zaros
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The_Red_Viper
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FrkFrJss
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LTCM
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On February 05 2018 23:08 Plopus wrote: Additionally, many matches are not really interesting in this tournament. I mean, who is interested in seing SoS vs Dns? That is not a match you want to see in a round of 16. Me. I'm always interested in seeing $o$ play no matter the | ||
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rotta
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On February 05 2018 21:07 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Serral for the win! | ||
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Mike L
Germany162 Posts
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buffzerg33
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Myrddrael
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Silvanel
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starkiller123
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Diabolique
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I expect sOs to win this Olympic tournament. That is one thing, he has not won yet ... The matches yesterday were really not that interesting, because there were clear favorites and underdogs. Tomorrow, this will be different ... | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On February 06 2018 05:09 MilleudaFolles wrote: Scarlett is my favorite Starcraft player!!! When she wins i say to myself ''YES'', when she loses i say to myself ''NO'' This made me tear up a bit | ||
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rotta
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On February 06 2018 04:17 Myrddrael wrote: Serral sOs final QFT | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Realer passion than I've got. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
Please be good at SC2 once more, and not during a HSC. | ||
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pvsnp
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How long has that meme been around? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Elazer 2-3 ZestSerral 3-1 ScarlettKelazhur 0-3 sOsBly 1-3 Special | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Zzoram
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:00 Zzoram wrote: Zest coughing, weakness detected gonna be hard to overcome the gap when sick | ||
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geokilla
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I'd love to see what the stats for the Olympic channel stream are luckily the rest of the world watches the olympics live. if USA's NBC was in charge we'd get a few selection of matches with 12 hour tape delay | ||
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starkiller123
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imre
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Zzoram
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Shellshock
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SetGuitarsToKill
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starkiller123
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starkiller123
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chipmonklord17
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:22 starkiller123 wrote: ah Zest needs to learn how to macro People have been saying that since 2013 | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:23 chipmonklord17 wrote: I think I'd be more okay with Revelation if it didn't also detect lol if it didn't detect, PvZ would be awful | ||
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Topin
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:25 Topin wrote: how were the two first games? just got home Good aggro PvZ from both of them. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:25 Topin wrote: how were the two first games? just got home Pretty standard PvZ. Get lurkers or lose | ||
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breaker1328
Canada295 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:25 Topin wrote: how were the two first games? just got home Zest won game 1 with a cheese and great micro, Elazer won game 2 with a lurker timing attack. Quick games so far. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Shellshock
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SetGuitarsToKill
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geokilla
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imre
France9263 Posts
Seriously. That's so freaking disappointing. Not being good at PvZ is one thing but those shitty mistakes ... | ||
Nakajin
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Ansibled
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blooblooblahblah
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:33 blooblooblahblah wrote: That build is super strong but wow Zest knew it was coming for so long...really didn't react well enough if he doesn't lose his wall army outside of his wall for nothing he's probably fine... | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:33 Ansibled wrote: I like how the last 2 games they have been talking about how perfect Zest is playing as he's dying. #biasedCasting | ||
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Topin
Peru10078 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:36 Topin wrote: i thought it was going to be a hold for zest but he let his army died at the begining... what was he watching? I think he saw a reflection of his face in one of the camera, no way he could looked back at the screen | ||
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Shellshock
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SetGuitarsToKill
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breaker1328
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The_Templar
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On February 06 2018 12:47 Shellshock wrote: ez for zest on to game 5  | ||
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Shellshock
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SetGuitarsToKill
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geokilla
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starkiller123
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Zest please macro One day. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:52 geokilla wrote: What just happened?! Zest wasn't able to keep up with superior non-korean mechanics. | ||
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Shellshock
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NExt
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imre
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Topin
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Dirt McGirt
New Zealand129 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
great play by elazer in that last game, queen of blades shit right there. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:54 Shellshock wrote: Does this mean Scarlett has a chance against Zest in Code S? Sure. Then she loses to Leenock | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:54 Shellshock wrote: Does this mean Scarlett has a chance against Zest in Code S? Possibly. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:54 Shellshock wrote: Does this mean Scarlett has a chance against Zest in Code S? I totally think she does, might even get out of the group if she can beat leenock too. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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breaker1328
Canada295 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:54 Shellshock wrote: Does this mean Scarlett has a chance against Zest in Code S? I would say that, yes. She's not gonna beat Inno though. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:53 Shellshock wrote: THE GAP IS TOO BIG zest can't even beat jet lagged polish zergs The Elephant in the Room revision anyone? | ||
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raff100
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SoleSteeler
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Shellshock
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The_Templar
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On February 06 2018 12:56 Shellshock wrote: How quick does Serral 3-0? Depends. How fast does he concede? | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
The real quote is Zest can't beat an half decent Zerg. sOs is still the favorite imo but Elazer/Serral would be a worthy final opponent. | ||
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breaker1328
Canada295 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:56 starkiller123 wrote: hopefully sOs has better pvz than Zest, that was pretty painful to watch oh he does | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:55 iamho wrote: another zvz filled tournament, how disappointing Ugh, 2 zerg in top-4. David Kim pls. | ||
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Charoisaur
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SetGuitarsToKill
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pvsnp
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
Like, exponentially better PvZ, I might add. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:58 Charoisaur wrote: So disapponting he knocked out the proper koreans in the qualifier only to disappoint reminds me of special in ways | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
there should only be 1.33 zergs if the game was balanced. broken | ||
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chipmonklord17
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:58 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's okay if Elazer was floating 2k minerals because Zest was always floating 1.5k/1.5k himself what's new tho zest is king of poor pro level macro | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:58 pvsnp wrote: I knew Zest in his current form wasn't among the best Koreans, but this series showed just how far away he is. Elazer played solid, nothing exceptional. I would say his Sauron Zerg, multiple angle attacks in game 4 was pretty exceptional. Not many Zergs try to do that or are even capable of that. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:59 chipmonklord17 wrote: Elazer saying 3 of the top 5 ZvZ players are non Korean...I'm not sure if that's ridiculous or not 4, since Namshar has to be up there as well if Scarlett is | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:59 chipmonklord17 wrote: Elazer saying 3 of the top 5 ZvZ players are non Korean...I'm not sure if that's ridiculous or not we meme it up but EU ZvZ has been pretty strong for like 2 years even when compared to the Korean scene. He's probably right | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:59 chipmonklord17 wrote: Elazer saying 3 of the top 5 ZvZ players are non Korean...I'm not sure if that's ridiculous or not Hard to know, Serral and Elazer don't play Koreans that often, but European ZvZ is legit. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
This is bottom tier code S stats in the match up for more than a year. I doubt it'll ever be fixed and Zest runs are more dependant on the absence of Zergs on his path than anything else. | ||
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pvsnp
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On February 06 2018 13:00 Shellshock wrote: we meme it up but EU ZvZ has been pretty strong for like 2 years even when compared to the Korean scene. He's probably right Well, they certainly get plenty of ZvZ practice. | ||
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Kommander
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:59 Kommander wrote: I would say his Sauron Zerg, multiple angle attacks in game 4 was pretty exceptional. Not many Zergs try to do that or are even capable of that. Ya, Elazer's 3 prong attack had Zest confused about how best to split up his army to respond, causing him to leave his Immortals exposed for a moment and the Zergling surround ended it. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:01 D-light wrote: Good for Elazer for trying to do his best to balance out things with the anti-hype of his play. i've always liked elazer and neeb because they are always critical of their play post games. win or lose | ||
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pvsnp
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On February 06 2018 12:59 Kommander wrote: I would say his Sauron Zerg, multiple angle attacks in game 4 was pretty exceptional. Not many Zergs try to do that or are even capable of that. It was a good idea and he executed it well. But that's hardly the first time a Zerg has attacked on several fronts, or used dropperlords. Like I said, Elazer was solid. Zest on the other hand was making questionable decisions and unforced mistakes. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:59 chipmonklord17 wrote: Elazer saying 3 of the top 5 ZvZ players are non Korean...I'm not sure if that's ridiculous or not really only soO stands out to me for korean ZvZ, Dark is usually good vs foreigners but always loses to soO, i would say Rogue but then he lost badly to Scarlett... other than that maybe Solar? but he is also very inconsistent | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:00 Shellshock wrote: we meme it up but EU ZvZ has been pretty strong for like 2 years even when compared to the Korean scene. He's probably right That's why I'm unsure. soO and Dark aren't ZvZ slouches but that's ignoring solar, rogue, hell even Leenock has good ZvZ | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On February 06 2018 12:59 chipmonklord17 wrote: Elazer saying 3 of the top 5 ZvZ players are non Korean...I'm not sure if that's ridiculous or not I mean Solar lost to Leenock and Rogue is in a slump so it might be true. soO and Dark are #1 and #2 obv | ||
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imre
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On February 06 2018 13:02 starkiller123 wrote: really only soO stands out to me for korean ZvZ, Dark is usually good vs foreigners but always loses to soO, i would say Rogue but then he lost badly to Scarlett... other than that maybe Solar? but he is also very inconsistent Korean Z can be sum up to Dark and soO for more than a year imo. Rogue had an exceptional streak at the best time possible but looks to be back to his normal ro8 at best level. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:03 Charoisaur wrote: I mean Solar lost to Leenock and Rogue is in a slump so it might be true. soO and Dark are #1 and #2 obv who are you and what have you done with the real foreign doubt | ||
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pvsnp
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On February 06 2018 13:04 geokilla wrote: Korean SC2 hasn't been the same without ESF and KeSPA... Plus no new blood in the scene either. Can't think of any upcoming Korean players. Because there aren't any. The current generation is the last generation. | ||
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imre
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On February 06 2018 13:04 geokilla wrote: Korean SC2 hasn't been the same without ESF and KeSPA... Plus no new blood in the scene either. Can't think of any upcoming Korean players. Last upcoming player to reach relevancy was Solar. That sums up the korean scene pretty well. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:04 geokilla wrote: Korean SC2 hasn't been the same without ESF and KeSPA... Plus no new blood in the scene either. Can't think of any upcoming Korean players. Looking at Aligulac there's this guy name Lero who seems be able to take games off decent foreigners in online tournaments but other than that, ya. | ||
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Topin
Peru10078 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:04 geokilla wrote: Korean SC2 hasn't been the same without ESF and KeSPA... Plus no new blood in the scene either. Can't think of any upcoming Korean players. thats the big elephant in the room | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:02 starkiller123 wrote: really only soO stands out to me for korean ZvZ, Dark is usually good vs foreigners but always loses to soO, i would say Rogue but then he lost badly to Scarlett... other than that maybe Solar? but he is also very inconsistent Solar lost to Leenock, not Solar | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Looking at Aligulac there's this guy name Lero who seems be able to take games off decent foreigners in online tournaments but other than that, ya. There's still Nightmare, Rookie, Eagle, and DRGLing. Unless they've retired since I last checked | ||
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pvsnp
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On February 06 2018 13:09 chipmonklord17 wrote: There's still Nightmare, Rookie, Eagle, and DRGLing. Unless they've retired since I last checked Not sure about their status, but regardless of that those guys are from the KeSPA teamhouses, aren't they? So they're not actually new players, they're just the youngest of the old players. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:09 chipmonklord17 wrote: There's still Nightmare, Rookie, Eagle, and DRGLing. Unless they've retired since I last checked DRGLing retired | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:09 chipmonklord17 wrote: There's still Nightmare, Rookie, Eagle, and DRGLing. Unless they've retired since I last checked DRGLing GSL champion 2020. Calling it. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
no i was saying Solar is another player that sometimes has good ZvZ, i know he didn't play Scarlett in GSL | ||
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Topin
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Speed vs DRGLing | ||
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pvsnp
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Being perfectly honest, I expect 2019 to be the last year of Korean SC2. Too many players are too close to enlistment age. Even if the money is still there, there won't be any players to play. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:09 chipmonklord17 wrote: There's still Nightmare, Rookie, Eagle, and DRGLing. Unless they've retired since I last checked Also Prince and HHs | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:10 pvsnp wrote: Not sure about their status, but regardless of that those guys are from the KeSPA teamhouses, aren't they? So they're not actually new players, they're just the youngest of the old players. Ya I was looking for players who have never touched a team house to my knowledge. Most of those guys besides Rookie haven't be active lately | ||
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Topin
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On February 06 2018 13:11 pvsnp wrote: Being perfectly honest, I expect 2019 to be the last year of Korean SC2. Too many players are too close to enlistment age. Even if the money is still there, there won't be any players to play. we still need to know if its going to be WCS in 2019 | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:11 pvsnp wrote: Being perfectly honest, I expect 2019 to be the last year of Korean SC2. Too many players are too close to enlistment age. And then foreigners will be the best players in the world A dark age | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
How come I've never seen any of their games, aside from DRGLing? They didn't make it past Code B either? | ||
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pvsnp
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On February 06 2018 13:13 Charoisaur wrote: And then foreigners will be the best players in the world A dark age Best by default. After everyone on the other side of the gap is dead and gone, can you still call it a gap? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:13 geokilla wrote: How come I've never seen any of their games, aside from DRGLing? They didn't make it past Code B either? I think they tried qualifiers. I remember Prince losing last year twice to Elazer... | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:13 geokilla wrote: How come I've never seen any of their games, aside from DRGLing? They didn't make it past Code B either? Of all those players I listed + Prince and HHs I've seen them from code A qualifiers and from streams like State's. I believe Eagle, Nightmare, and Rookie were all Samsung rookies | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:14 Topin wrote: Serrals dad look scary Kinda like a bond villain. Nice guy from everything I've heard though, and travels a bunch with Serral and whatnot | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:15 jedi1982 wrote: am LOVING the player videos. Great production quality! Is there a link to them? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/530811-more-than-a-game-sos-bly-serral-pandabearme-zest | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On January 19 2018 04:56 Inflicted wrote: Zest won't make the finals too predictable | ||
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pvsnp
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On February 06 2018 13:15 starkiller123 wrote: INnoVation just needs to convince his younger brother to drop league and pick up sc2, easy iirc Dankshrine asked Inno about that and he basically said he didn't care what his younger brother did | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:18 pvsnp wrote: iirc Dankshrine asked Inno about that and he basically said he didn't care what his younger brother did what? Inno is such a passionate guy /s | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:15 starkiller123 wrote: INnoVation just needs to convince his younger brother to drop league and pick up sc2, easy Nah SKT needs a rookie before they blow up | ||
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pvsnp
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On February 06 2018 13:21 starkiller123 wrote: im glad they brought back the weird shield/round thing trophy back Wait what? I missed it. You mean this (horrendous) style? ![[image loading]](http://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2016%2F1218%2Fr164041_1296x729_16-9.jpg) | ||
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breaker1328
Canada295 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:13 geokilla wrote: How come I've never seen any of their games, aside from DRGLing? They didn't make it past Code B either? NightMare was the guy that made DT blink work one time against Gumiho in GSL 2017 S1. That's the only player from the "up and comers" that I can remember seeing a game from. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:23 pvsnp wrote: Wait what? I missed it. You mean this (horrendous) style? yeah looks exactly like that, I'm pretty sure Kaelaris walks in front of it everyone time he walks from the analysis desk to the casters | ||
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pvsnp
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On February 06 2018 13:27 starkiller123 wrote: yeah looks exactly like that, I'm pretty sure Kaelaris walks in front of it everyone time he walks from the analysis desk to the casters First Gyeonggi, now Pyeongchang, what is it with Korean IEMs and horrible trophy designs? | ||
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The_Templar
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The_Red_Viper
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:29 pvsnp wrote: First Gyeonggi, now Pyeongchang, what is it with Korean IEMs and horrible trophy designs? i could be mistaken though | ||
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United States97276 Posts
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MASTERCAKES
United States127 Posts
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Charoisaur
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JackONeill
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But frankly he lost the moment he was 3 bases vs 5 | ||
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breaker1328
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:27 Shellshock wrote: feel like every scarlett zvz i've seen lately is mutas Yeah, a lot of times I see mutas. I think it's because a lot of Zergs I feel like don't really go mutas. They mostly go roaches in the mid-game. | ||
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Ansibled
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 06 2018 13:36 Ansibled wrote: They should switch colours. They should let players pick their colors | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:37 Socke wrote: is this set matchstarttimes with a long break after short series or mostly reasonable short breaks inbetween matches? felt like a pretty long break after the elazer vs zest series but I don't know how much time exactly | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:38 Shellshock wrote: felt like a pretty long break after the elazer vs zest series but I don't know how much time exactly didn't seem too bad, at least not compared to some of the breaks we have endured in past tournaments | ||
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Then Scarlett could regame more often  Also she's crushing right now and that's wicked cool | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:41 Charoisaur wrote: I thought Serral had 20k MMR. What happened? i heard 30k | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:41 D-light wrote: Championship into shit I guess. This is neat. standard sc2 | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:44 AzAlexZ wrote: lol Elazer 3-1 Zest Neeb vZ > Zest vZ Neeb > Zest in general at this point | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:46 Shellshock wrote: the commentators can't keep the names straight. calling serral scarlett and scarlett serral What do you expect? They're faceless foreigners. | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:48 leublix wrote: Missed Elazer vs Zest but the result isn't surprising, Zest vs Zerg is a special kind of match-up ever since lotv. How were the games? Did Zest's godly macro show up? yes | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:48 leublix wrote: Missed Elazer vs Zest but the result isn't surprising, Zest vs Zerg is a special kind of match-up ever since lotv. How were the games? Did Zest's godly macro show up? Zest Macro™ showed up in full force | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:44 Charoisaur wrote: Well Serral was the only real threat to sOs so this is nice But for a better final, I wanna Serral to advance here. I just do not see how Elazer or Scarlett can beat sOs in a bo7 series. | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Jesus Christ Tastless and Pig have gotten Serral and Scarlett's names wrong more often than right I like when Tasteless called him Terran in one of the games instead of Serral | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:54 Alarak89 wrote: But for a better final, I wanna Serral to advance here. I just do not see how Elazer or Scarlett can beat sOs in a bo7 series. For a foreigner vs korean match a one-sided stomp is the most entertaining kind of game | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:54 pvsnp wrote: They keep mixing up the names. Pig and Tasteless are experienced casters, I expected better from them. See! weird ass circular trophy | ||
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Hmm? Sorry, I was in the bathroom and missed it. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:04 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: anti-climatic ending -. - I dont think so!! more is coming. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:04 pvsnp wrote: Hmm? Sorry, I was in the bathroom and missed it. camera panned across it | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: How did that even happen? Instant disconnects don't just happen Didn't you watch Blizzcon 2014? | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: How did that even happen? Instant disconnects don't just happen Finland DDoSed PyeongChang as the attack hit | ||
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But in today's day and age. I guess I'm just used to the lag out instead of the instadrop | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:06 [Phantom] wrote: What happened? Went for some water and when I went back the game was stopped? People say someone rage quit or had conection problems? Serral disconnected from the game as Scarlett cheesed him | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:57 Charoisaur wrote: For a foreigner vs korean match a one-sided stomp is the most entertaining kind of game Then you can enjoy next match first. | ||
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On February 06 2018 12:54 imre wrote: good games by Elazer but god protoss is terrible vs Zerg. There you go. | ||
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Congrats sOs. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Keep some thears for your hockey team | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:16 starkiller123 wrote: wow did not expect Scarlett to beat Serral at all, very impressive, I can't tell if Serral played worse than normal or if Scarlett was over performing A combination of both? Scarlett made next to no mistakes, especially with decision making, and Serral wasn't as proactive has he's been previously. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:16 [Phantom] wrote: The better player won, so no problem. Cheat or not. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:18 Shellshock wrote: what if kela beats sos Korea implodes on itself I mean more than the scene already is | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:18 Shellshock wrote: what if kela beats sos Time to go back to bw | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Korea implodes on itself I mean more than the scene already is i will be beyond amazed, Kelazhur hasn't beaten a good protoss since June of last year when he beat ShowTime in a bo3 i think | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:25 yht9657 wrote: Seriously among all the top Koreans, sOs is one the last guys you'd count on for preserving Korean hope. He is just able to beat and lose to any player in the world at the same time. Dark or any top KR Terran besides TY is better suited for slaughtering foreigners. Except DNS | ||
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wut | ||
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Ask that guy. :^) | ||
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The original message had said "Cheat or not the better player won, so no problem" and then was edited, I guess he was just adding it back  | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:35 Kommander wrote: Well shit, now I'm rooting for sOs I'm now rooting for sOs vicariously through his mom | ||
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This sOs spotlight though...I legit shed a tear. What a great story. | ||
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Guess reaching 10k MMR on the EU server isn't that impressive. Scarlett was #3 on KR last time I checked which is much more impressive. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:35 Kommander wrote: Well shit, now I'm rooting for sOs Everybody is rooting for sOs. Everybody who is not Brazilian. Everyone wants a better car for his mom. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:39 Avaek wrote: that sOs spotlight was beautiful, are these spotlights posted anywhere online so i can link to my friends? ESL channel on youtube | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:39 Diabolique wrote: Everybody is rooting for sOs. Everybody who is not Brazilian. Everyone wants a better car for his mom. i have never been a sOs fan and i want him to win lol, bring on the cheese | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:38 Charoisaur wrote: Why do people consider this an upset? Serral is a foreigner. Scarlett is a GSL ro16 player who recently beat the world champion. Guess reaching 10k MMR on the EU server isn't that impressive. Scarlett was #3 on KR last time I checked which is much more impressive. Also not sure how people expect Kelazhur to lose to sOs. Kela is the best player in South America while sOs isn't even the best in South Korea, which is a way smaller place. | ||
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leublix
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Gogo sOs. | ||
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Topin
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On February 06 2018 14:41 D-light wrote: Also not sure how people expect Kelazhur to lose to sOs. Kela is the best player in South America while sOs isn't even the best in South Korea, which is a way smaller place. hahahahaaha i cant stop laughing | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:41 D-light wrote: Also not sure how people expect Kelazhur to lose to sOs. Kela is the best player in South America while sOs isn't even the best in South Korea, which is a way smaller place. yea but south america sucks at the winter olympics. that's why people like Scarlett are so strong because the Canadians are in their element | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Nice little video from IEM https://twitter.com/IEM/status/960748680134324225 Why not both? A Protoss coached by Reddit would be unstoppable | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Nice little video from IEM https://twitter.com/IEM/status/960748680134324225 lmao Serral becoming a caster would kill me also props to Kelazhur on the controller vs touchpad question edit. damn sOs dove so deep for one marauder lol | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:46 D-light wrote: That short-range teleport ability seems broken. Even more so is that short range sprint ability. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Nice little video from IEM https://twitter.com/IEM/status/960748680134324225 At least most of them got the touchpad question right.  | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:51 The_Templar wrote: At least most of them got the touchpad question right. yeah, race swap to protoss and no problem | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:47 starkiller123 wrote: lmao Serral becoming a caster would kill me also props to Kelazhur on the controller vs touchpad question edit. damn sOs dove so deep for one marauder lol Kill you with the amount of hype maybe. I mean everyone who watched him cast in HSC won't be forgetting how he brought it. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:54 D-light wrote: Kill you with the amount of hype maybe. I mean everyone who watched him cast in HSC won't be forgetting how he brought it. I thought it was pretty much agreed on that all the Finns are top tier casters | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:54 D-light wrote: Kill you with the amount of hype maybe. I mean everyone who watched him cast in HSC won't be forgetting how he brought it. it would be hilarious, death by laughter | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:59 The_Templar wrote: I can't decide whether this is great or terrible for sOs. i think he dies now | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:46 Shellshock wrote: yea but south america sucks at the winter olympics. that's why people like Scarlett are so strong because the Canadians are in their element These replies are cracking me up lol. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:59 The_Templar wrote: I can't decide whether this is great or terrible for sOs. welp im an idiot, guess he can hold after all | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:02 starkiller123 wrote: welp im an idiot, guess he can hold after all No... I was right with you until kelazhur started being really passive. sOs is still even at best though. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:06 Inflicted wrote: Kelazhurs stimming way too much i feel like this has definitely happened before to Kelazhur | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:06 Inflicted wrote: Kelazhurs stimming way too much gotta keep that medivac energy low brah | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:08 Shellshock wrote: gotta keep that medivac energy low brah Hallmark of a good macro player, right there. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: Looks like Kelagod didn't go to the Day9 school of "just fucking kill him" and will probably die because of it At least he got the memo about nuc-lee-ar frickin' missiles! | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:09 Mordanis wrote: At least he got the memo about nuc-lee-ar frickin' missiles! ... Man, I really miss funday mondays. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:09 Mordanis wrote: At least he got the memo about nuc-lee-ar frickin' missiles! We will never have another Moletrap nuclear missile ever again. Feelsbadman | ||
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I'm not normally a fan of sOs, except for the occasional crazy awesome play he makes, but I'm rooting for him via his mother now. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: sOs reminding us that that Korea is in fact still good at Starcraft or is it that foreign terrans will never accomplish anything? | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:11 Shellshock wrote: or is it that foreign terrans will never accomplish anything? Half of neeb should count as foreign terran | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: sOs reminding us that that Korea is in fact still good at Starcraft Well, sOs is arguably a top Korean in his current form, unlike Zest. The 2-person limit and the abysmal state of [im]balance during the qualifiers means sOs is Korea's hope now, for better or worse (mostly worse) | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:09 The_Templar wrote: ... Man, I really miss funday mondays. P.S. I want lurkers. :C | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:13 Kommander wrote: I don't know why Rotti is surprised at the early probe scout/harass, this is pretty much standard sOs lol Fake hype for the normies. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:10 pvsnp wrote: Ranged libs are strong but they put a serious mobility limitation on the Terran army, and sOs has demonstrated the ability to outmaneuver Innovation's ranged libs. No surprise that he dismantled Kelazhur I'm not normally a fan of sOs, except for the occasional crazy awesome play he makes, but I'm rooting for him via his mother now. same, feels very strange yet somehow right also this game is just brutal | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:20 usopsama wrote: Kelazhur is showing us that the gap is closed. Such a close series. I know right? Just look at the supply. Dead even. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:20 The_Templar wrote: I know right? Just look at the supply. Dead even. Dead, you mean | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:22 The_Templar wrote: Someone want to explain to me exactly what sOs is doing? His best Zest impression | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:22 The_Templar wrote: Someone want to explain to me exactly what sOs is doing? Trying his best to throw Think he's just too far ahead though | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:11 Shellshock wrote: or is it that foreign terrans will never accomplish anything? That's the one good thing about the incoming death of the korean scene. Blizzard will be forced to buff terran to insane levels. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:23 Charoisaur wrote: That's the one good thing about the incoming death of the korean scene. Blizzard will be forced to buff terrans to insane levels. maybe ill finally make masters then, a man can dream | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:22 The_Templar wrote: Someone want to explain to me exactly what sOs is doing? Giving us hope that the gap is closing. I mean he was doing his Kela impression of dying. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I am not 100% sure how Kela came back in this game but damn dude Terran drops good unit | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:24 Yiome wrote: That is the worst defense against drop I have seen in quite a while It's picking back up. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:24 starkiller123 wrote: maybe ill finally make masters then, a man can dream Masters 3 is as low as ever | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:22 The_Templar wrote: Someone want to explain to me exactly what sOs is doing? It is called winning. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:26 psiANIDe wrote: "A good best of 5" says Rotti the protoss player lol tbh Kelazhur would probably never beat sOs regardless of the patch | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:26 starkiller123 wrote: well that game was actually very entertaining, weird but entertaining Throw into throw into throw is usually entertaining. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:27 starkiller123 wrote: tbh Kelazhur would probably never beat sOs regardless of the patch Special however Well assume Special can make it through #BlyonFire | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:26 IshinShishi wrote: seemed to me like kelazhur had at least 3 chances to just stim in and win the game at sos' third, needs more apm. A man can only stim so many times. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:28 Yiome wrote: Special however Well assume Special can make it through #BlyonFire Special is not that great in TvP either, should be a closer series though | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:27 starkiller123 wrote: tbh Kelazhur would probably never beat sOs regardless of the patch Yeah for sure, sOs is another level as we just saw. I just thought it was a funny quote...as a protoss player myself I agreed with him wholeheartedly! | ||
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wait that sounds bad | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:30 starkiller123 wrote: Smix should tell sOs everyone loves him now cause of his mom wait that sounds bad "We only like you because of your mother. Well played btw." | ||
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My god it is ugly. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:32 pvsnp wrote: Oh, I finally saw the trophy. My god it is ugly. A little less disappointed that Serral won't win this tournament and have to take a picture with it. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:32 pvsnp wrote: Oh, I finally saw the trophy. My god it is ugly. i would use it as a plate or something lol what other trophy has a practical function? | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:33 starkiller123 wrote: i would use it as a plate or something lol what other trophy has a practical function? You can drink from a bunch of them. | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:33 starkiller123 wrote: i would use it as a plate or something The Gyeonggi trophy was the same design, and people made plate memes: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LmgYd36.jpg) | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:37 pvsnp wrote: The Gyeonggi trophy was the same design, and people made plate memes: clearly iem are designing their trophies to help the pro korean scene, now INnoVation dosent need to waste money on plates, next GSL the trophy should be some fancy ass chopsticks or something edit. or maybe a washing machine | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:41 starkiller123 wrote: clearly iem are designing their trophies to help the pro korean scene, now INnoVation dosent need to waste money on plates, next GSL the trophy should be some fancy ass chopsticks or something edit. or maybe a washing machine Instead of G5L trophy, just a gift card to IKEA... | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:53 Waxangel wrote: the trophy is made out of actual silver D: If only soO were here, he'd be a shoe in | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: If only soO were here, he'd be a shoe in Problem is that it's a trophy for 1st place | ||
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I guess pre-bank for ultras. | ||
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I get they are trying to target relative newcomers, but really? | ||
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EDIT: Just like this shit. Let's see how he does. | ||
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Ultras are fat | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:22 Weavel wrote: Bly outplaying Special hard in this series. Outblying even. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:25 Ej_ wrote: Shitty ravager build is 12pool ravager, not proxy hatchery. Shitty ravager build has variants, sometimes it has 2 lings, sometimes a proxy hatch, sometimes both. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:26 pvsnp wrote: Shitty ravager build has variants, sometimes it has 2 lings, sometimes a proxy hatch, sometimes both. No. | ||
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If it has 3 ravagers at the 3 minute mark, that's shitty enough for me. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:29 Heartland wrote: Elazer beat Zest? Wtf, how? Elazer played well, Zest did not | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:27 pvsnp wrote: If it has 3 ravagers at the 3 minute mark, that's shitty enough for me. I hope someday one of the casters calls it the shitty ravager build on stream | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:29 Heartland wrote: Elazer beat Zest? Wtf, how? Zest macro and whatnot. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:29 Heartland wrote: Elazer beat Zest? Wtf, how? Zest sucks balls since 2017 | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:29 starkiller123 wrote: I hope someday one of the casters calls it the shitty ravager build on stream I don't think they're allowed to curse, are they? I know Tasteless has dropped the occasional "damn" though. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:33 pvsnp wrote: I don't think they're allowed to curse, are they? I know Tasteless has let the occasional "damn" slip through though. I don't think here they are. Pretty sure Afreeca gives no fucks about what Tasteless/Artosis say during GSL | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:33 pvsnp wrote: I don't think they're allowed to curse, are they? I know Tasteless has let the occasional "damn" slip through though. It's a shame we will never hear the full term of the magnet either. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:36 Mordanis wrote: I think Bly's 'd' key is broken Doesn't matter, he's never touched it anyways | ||
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But that was more Bly's losing the game than Major winning it. Bly seems tilted now shaking his head, it must have been a stressful game for both of them. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:40 Moobutt wrote: Bly is gonna do some next level cheese. Double proxy hatch, queen, speedling, spine crawler all in or some shit. Naw, he tilted himself out of cheesing and will lose in a macro game | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:39 pvsnp wrote: I want to see Bly win just for the Bly vs sOs craziness Proxy 2 gate vs proxy hatch? sounds good | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: Naw, he tilted himself out of cheesing and will lose in a macro game nydus cheese coming or mutas lol | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:45 Shellshock wrote: when was the last time 2 base muta worked in zvt? around a month ago in Bly vs uThermal on the same map | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:46 Ej_ wrote: around a month ago in Bly vs uThermal on the same map wow embarrassing for uthermal | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Mutas are the single worst unit in TvZ in the game man What about TvZ in real life? | ||
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That's definitely soO. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Mutas are the single worst unit in TvZ in the game man We still see them more often than BCs though | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:51 Moobutt wrote: do ultras path through the neon violet squares in the middle all dumb like i imaginethey would? They go around | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:54 Ej_ wrote: oh Tasteless, SpeCial is way bigger than Bly in many ways Special's pokemon collection is much bigger for sure | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:54 Fran_ wrote: When Special gets this rhythm in TvZ, he's monstrous. You mean when he gets to scout an all-in and then take 15 minutes planting bases before winning the game? | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:55 chipmonklord17 wrote: that idle ultra in the natural shaking its head in frustration is basically Bly right now Wisely sitting out this fight | ||
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Also, given how much Major struggled against Bly, sOs will wreck him tomorrow | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:57 pvsnp wrote: Still think Bly could've won if he just went nydus instead of mutas I agree but after game 4 he never was going to. The look on his face said it all. Dude was tilted as tilted could be | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:57 pvsnp wrote: Still think Bly could've won if he just went nydus instead of mutas Also, given how much Major struggled against Bly, sOs will wreck him tomorrow sOs was always gonna wreck this tournament, anyone that thought otherwise was a heretic. | ||
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Zest lost so bad Serral champion curse already against ZvZ one trick pony | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:58 chipmonklord17 wrote: I agree but after game 4 he never was going to. The look on his face said it all. Dude was tilted as tilted could be Calm down Wolf, if the spire hadn't been scouted you'd be saying how Bly bounced off the emotional disaster. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:58 Poopi wrote: Wtf how did Bly take two games? Zest lost so bad Serral champion curse already against ZvZ one trick pony Really good nydus all in Really shitty Ravager all in that Major shut his brain down during | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:58 Ej_ wrote: Calm down Wolf, if the spire hadn't been scouted you'd be saying how Bly bounced off the emotional disaster. Let's be real, only the GOAT Mvp would be able to resist the TILT. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:58 Ej_ wrote: Calm down Wolf, if the spire hadn't been scouted you'd be saying how Bly bounced off the emotional disaster. No I wouldn't, I said from the beginning he was tilted off the planet and was going to lose in a macro game. He was never going to cheese in this map after game 4. Ever | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:00 chipmonklord17 wrote: No I wouldn't, I said from the beginning he was tilted off the planet and was going to lose in a macro game. He was never going to cheese in this map after game 4. Ever 2 base muta is a cheese, not a macro build. | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:58 Poopi wrote: Wtf how did Bly take two games? Zest lost so bad Serral champion curse already against ZvZ one trick pony Serral choke one trick pony patchzerg | ||
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He built 7 mutas then threw down a 3rd hatch. That was pretty macro-y if you ask me. | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:01 chipmonklord17 wrote: He built 7 mutas then threw down a 3rd hatch. That was pretty macro-y if you ask me. ok | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:01 chipmonklord17 wrote: He built 7 mutas then threw down a 3rd hatch. That was pretty macro-y if you ask me. 2 base muta is definitely not a macro build, not since HOTS | ||
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That build has never worked on LOTV, could be good vs mech but it's a true gamble | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:02 Durnuu wrote: 2 base muta is definitely not a macro build, not since HOTS Again he was building a 3rd while his mutas were popping out. I'm not saying its the most macro of macro builds but that was a macro game. We'll never know if that would have turned into a 2 base all in had the spire not been scouted but he definitely macroed out of it | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:03 Tyrhanius wrote: That build has never worked on LOTV, could be good vs mech but it's a true gamble You should tweet that at Bly so he never makes the same mistake of using it. | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: Again he was building a 3rd while his mutas were popping out. I'm not saying its the most macro of macro builds but that was a macro game. We'll never know if that would have turned into a 2 base all in had the spire not been scouted but he definitely macroed out of it if the spire doesn't get scouted, there is no ebay wall, no turrets, no mine production. mutas kill off scvs, pick off the tanks and the terran dies to a speedling rally | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: Again he was building a 3rd while his mutas were popping out. I'm not saying its the most macro of macro builds but that was a macro game. We'll never know if that would have turned into a 2 base all in had the spire not been scouted but he definitely macroed out of it By that logic proxy 2 rax in TvZ is not a cheese but a macro build because Terran can macro even if Zerg holds it off. | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:05 Ej_ wrote: if the spire doesn't get scouted, there is no ebay wall, no turrets, no mine production. mutas kill off scvs, pick off the tanks and the terran dies to a speedling rally Or he does the build the same way he did and make 6-8 mutas and a 3rd, and keeps Major pinned down as he rushes to hive tech. Theorycrafting is fun! | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:04 Ej_ wrote: You should tweet that at Bly so he never makes the same mistake of using it. Bly is so unpredictible because himself doesn't really know what he is doing. | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:06 Durnuu wrote: By that logic proxy 2 rax in TvZ is not a cheese but a macro build because Terran can macro even if Zerg holds it off. Proxy 2 rax isn't meant to kill whereas 2base muta is so not the best comparison out there | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:27 Nerchio wrote: Am I the only one that loves 1080p? Finally we can see stuff on the screen xD Don't work for me T_T Also Leenock and Scarlett must be quite pleased to see Zest form in PvZ (even if Elazer is really strong) | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:31 Mun_Su wrote: Don't work for me T_T Also Leenock and Scarlett must be quite pleased to see Zest form in PvZ (even if Elazer is really strong) And Elazer even said he played suboptimally today. So yeah, Zest really needs to get his shit together. | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:27 Nerchio wrote: Am I the only one that loves 1080p? Finally we can see stuff on the screen xD I don't care tbh. Always managed to see everything even on 480p. | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:27 D-light wrote: I don't care tbh. Always managed to see everything even on 480p. True starcraft fans watch on 160p, out of nostalgia | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:36 Durnuu wrote: True starcraft fans watch on 160p, out of nostalgia on GomTV Player | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:38 Charoisaur wrote: Why do people consider this an upset? Serral is a foreigner. Scarlett is a GSL ro16 player who recently beat the world champion. Guess reaching 10k MMR on the EU server isn't that impressive. Scarlett was #3 on KR last time I checked which is much more impressive. And Serral was #1 on KR at one point :D | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:48 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: And Serral was #1 on KR at one point :D Scarlett shown an absolute horrid form, after she managed to upset Rogue in the GSL qualifiers. Went like 0-567685 against Neeb and protoss in general, and lost to every half-decent terran as well. Watched the series where Khelazur 3-0d her. The only good matchup for Scarlett lately is ZvZ, and she was eliminated in ro32 at WCS in an all zerg group. And it's not even the fact that she keeps getting knocked off, the games are all "well let s see if i can blindcounter or allin my opponent, well it looks like he went for something else than i tought he would, gg then". Watched about 20 scarlett games in the past few weeks, lots of early gg-s because she just made 60 drones and died to 5 hellbats or went allin on lings and the other guy managed to make a wall. Granted, most of the wins against high tier opponents were also ling-floods Im persoanlly quite sad that Serral was eliminated by Scarlett | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:26 pvsnp wrote: Shitty ravager build has variants, sometimes it has 2 lings, sometimes a proxy hatch, sometimes both. Proxy hatch ravager is the good version of the build so it's not shitty | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:08 Geo.Rion wrote: Scarlett shown an absolute horrid form, after she managed to upset Rogue in the GSL qualifiers. Went like 0-567685 against Neeb and protoss in general, and lost to every half-decent terran as well. Watched the series where Khelazur 3-0d her. The only good matchup for Scarlett lately is ZvZ, and she was eliminated in ro32 at WCS in an all zerg group. And it's not even the fact that she keeps getting knocked off, the games are all "well let s see if i can blindcounter or allin my opponent, well it looks like he went for something else than i tought he would, gg then". Watched about 20 scarlett games in the past few weeks, lots of early gg-s because she just made 60 drones and died to 5 hellbats or went allin on lings and the other guy managed to make a wall. Granted, most of the wins against high tier opponents were also ling-floods Im persoanlly quite sad that Serral was eliminated by Scarlett She lost in WCS because she was jetlagged otherwise she would have swept the tournament like every GSL ro16 player would've done | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:14 Charoisaur wrote: She lost in WCS because she was jetlagged otherwise she would have swept the tournament like every GSL ro16 player would've done uhumm, not sure there s any point in replying to you, since obviously you re a stray from an other dimension or a blatant troll, but pray tell why did scarlett go 0-5 against khelazor and 1-5 against Neeb just at WESG just a couple of days ago | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:48 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: And Serral was #1 on KR at one point :D That doesn't really count, and Scarlett would have 15k mmr in eu if she tried. Just like she'd demolish WCS in general. And beating Rogue who's been in absolute amazing shape after his championship in one bo3 is more impressive anyway. Ps. Thank god Leenock can't come steal all the foreigner welfare money. | ||
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It would be the best final because special won't handle sOs as far as I know sOs's Pvt. If Elazer looses to Scarlett so sOs'll win easily the final Both Elazer and sOs are really entertaining to watch | ||
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>ARE WE READY TO SAY YES ONCE MOAR???! YES! | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:30 Geo.Rion wrote: uhumm, not sure there s any point in replying to you, since obviously you re a stray from an other dimension or a blatant troll, but pray tell why did scarlett go 0-5 against khelazor and 1-5 against Neeb just at WESG just a couple of days ago Cmon dude, you think she really tried there? GSL players are known to hide their strategies in less important tournaments so it's harder for their opponents to study them. Didn't Zest get 3-0ed by Snute in some cup shortly before he won his GSL? | ||
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On February 06 2018 22:05 Charoisaur wrote: Cmon dude, you think she really tried there? GSL players are known to hide their strategies in less important tournaments so it's harder for their opponents to study them. Didn't Zest get 3-0ed by Snute in some ccup shortly before he won his GSL? ok, so you re just a troll, got it. Scarlett doesnt try in a 30.000$+ prizepool tournament with basically 4 pros and some amateurs, because... she doesnt care. I see, thanks for the input. | ||
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On February 06 2018 22:14 Nierlin wrote: Any RO8 VODs yet? https://www.twitch.tv/videos/226158084 | ||
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On February 06 2018 22:13 Geo.Rion wrote: ok, so you re just a troll, got it. Scarlett doesnt try in a 30.000$+ prizepool tournament with basically 4 pros and some amateurs, because... she doesnt care. I see, thanks for the input. she won a slot already back then so as it was only about money probably she decided to take a more rest to be ready for good run at IEM PChang which i`ve guess is more important then won the quali | ||
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On February 06 2018 21:58 Musicus wrote: How can anybody not cheer for Elazer vs sOs after all their Twitter bants and seeing how damn good Elazer is vs Protoss. This. If they're going to do pre-game interviews with players, there's some good banter potential. | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:27 Nerchio wrote: Am I the only one that loves 1080p? Finally we can see stuff on the screen xD Yep, it's great. Kinda sad that WCS is still in 720p, even with the warchest money that is supposed to help with WCS event production, after the prize money cap has been reached. | ||
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I guess I'll have to watch the vods. It's really hard to stay dominant for long in this game. He still has a shot at winning Katowice but there won't be as easy koreans as Zest there, the competition is gonna be fierce. | ||
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On February 06 2018 21:58 Musicus wrote: How can anybody not cheer for Elazer vs sOs after all their Twitter bants and seeing how damn good Elazer is vs Protoss. Implying people use twitter lol | ||
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Damn that brings back memories | ||
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Pretty sure that stuff got posted on TL and reddit. | ||
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On February 07 2018 00:20 Poopi wrote: I'm still baffled at how did Serral manage to even lose? I guess I'll have to watch the vods. It's really hard to stay dominant for long in this game. He still has a shot at winning Katowice but there won't be as easy koreans as Zest there, the competition is gonna be fierce. Serral doesn't have a shot at winning Katowice. He couldn't even win Pyeongchang over two Koreans, the second-tier Zest and the wildly inconsistent sOs. Most of Korea sat this one out and Serral still went out in the Ro8, not to a top Korean, not to Neeb, but to Scarlett. Hell, he didn't even advance far enough to play a Korean. The actual top Koreans will be in attendance at Katowice, and in full force. It will be an upset if Serral makes the Ro8. Not that I'm singling out Serral, of course, the same goes for any foreigner. | ||
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On February 07 2018 02:27 Musicus wrote: Pretty sure that stuff got posted on TL and reddit. Pretty sure it didn't (at least not TL) | ||
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But overall some great games ~~ Gogo Elazer. | ||
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On February 07 2018 04:23 Charoisaur wrote: Pretty sure it didn't (at least not TL) I think it was only in a LR thread on TL. | ||
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On February 07 2018 05:27 Soke wrote: Honestly, I think both Elazer and Scarlett might prefer to play sOs, even if they aren't favored against him. vT is both of their worst matchups. normally that's true but no one wants to deal with sOs' shit | ||
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On February 07 2018 05:29 Cricketer12 wrote: normally that's true but no one wants to deal with sOs' shit ^This is spot on, nobody ever actually wants to play sOs. This being aside from the fact that sOs is just flat-out better than Major. | ||
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On February 07 2018 07:06 Myrddrael wrote: sOs vs Elazer finals? Quite likely Would also be the closest possible final game, in my opinion. Elazer 3 - 1 ScarlettsOs 3 - 2 MajOrsOs 4 - 2 ElazerSomething like dat | ||
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sOs 3-1 or 3-0 MajOr. His style just counters him too hard (counters TY as well) | ||
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On February 07 2018 07:22 Fango wrote: Scarlett Elazer is coinflip. sOs 3-1 or 3-0 MajOr. His style just counters him too hard (counters TY as well) Will be hilarious if Major copied TY so well he copied how TY always collapses against sOs | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:47 Fango wrote: I wanna get up early to watch the final but I feel like the ro4 will be over in record time and I'll miss it anyway Missing sOs winning is never something you want to do though. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On February 07 2018 10:57 Waxangel wrote: hey guys, the beauty of TL.net as a COMMUNITY SITE is that anyone can make an LR thread Yeah, but it's easier if someone with CSS rights does it, so that you don't have to ping someone each time you do an edit to keep the page pretty (though I guess with the LP integration scripts, you don't need to edit in stuff as often as before). | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On February 07 2018 11:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah, but it's easier if someone with CSS rights does it, so that you don't have to ping someone each time you do an edit to keep the page pretty (though I guess with the LP integration scripts, you don't need to edit in stuff as often as before). back in my day we didn't need CSS/html to do an LR thread | ||
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