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oh course Maru and Dark somehow end up in the same group, rough for those other two randos
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Really well handled by Maru!
It wasnt a disappointing match, especially on abyssal. 
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Dark is an infinitely better play than I could ever hope to be, but I don't get what he was trying game 2. Risky was saying that denying expansions was the correct strat over Zergling runbys/whatever, but when Maru's whole army is parked at his expansion, that doesn't seem right...
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Schedule for today :
Main : Has vs Enterprise / B : Dark vs Elusory
Main : TIME vs Has / B : Enterprise vs Probe
Main : Maru vs Ranger / B : Has vs Probe
* At this point Main stage switches to Hearthstone, so only one sc2 stream :
Probe vs Has
TIME vs HuT
Maru vs Elusory
Has vs HuT
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On January 11 2018 13:05 Boggyb wrote:
Dark is an infinitely better play than I could ever hope to be, but I don't get what he was trying game 2. Risky was saying that denying expansions was the correct strat over Zergling runbys/whatever, but when Maru's whole army is parked at his expansion, that doesn't seem right...
Agreed. Dark had that game in the bag but he just kept attacking with LBH/Ultra into Maru's sieged-up army around a planetary.....I think he lost like five full armies?
No crackling runbys, no bane drops, no teching up to BLs, just repeatedly charging straight into Maru's entire army. It's true that Maru had fewer bases, but he still had more than enough to keep his army maxed while Dark traded horribly.
Even if you have half the bases on the map, Leeroy Jenkins is not a winning strategy when your opponent is maxed out. And even if Dark won (he didn't), it would be a horribly sloppy, inefficient, and dangerous way of winning.
Dark was just playing poorly in general that game, at one point he let an uncloaked Ghost casually walk past transferring drones, stop at one of his saturated bases, and successfully land a nuke.
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On January 11 2018 13:17 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2018 13:05 Boggyb wrote:
Dark is an infinitely better play than I could ever hope to be, but I don't get what he was trying game 2. Risky was saying that denying expansions was the correct strat over Zergling runbys/whatever, but when Maru's whole army is parked at his expansion, that doesn't seem right... Agreed. Dark had that game in the bag but he just kept attacking with LBH/Ultra into Maru's sieged-up army around a planetary.....I think he lost like five full armies? No crackling runbys, no bane drops, no teching up to BLs, just repeatedly charging straight into Maru's entire army. It's true that Maru had fewer bases, but he still had more than enough to keep his army maxed while Dark traded horribly. Even if you have half the bases on the map, Leeroy Jenkins is not a winning strategy when your opponent is maxed out. And even if Dark won (he didn't), it would be a horribly sloppy, inefficient, and dangerous way of winning. Dark was just playing poorly in general that game, at one point he let an uncloaked Ghost casually walk past transferring drones, stop at one of his saturated bases, and successfully land a nuke.
yeah, usually zergs are 20-30 supply ahead when they smash their army into the terran army plus planetary, odd to watch
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TIME seems very dedicated to 2-basing against Protoss. I wonder if that's an anti-Has strategy or his view on the match up. That resulted in some super weird games against Probe and luckily Probe was able to handle the scrappy games.
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On January 11 2018 14:02 Boggyb wrote:
TIME seems very dedicated to 2-basing against Protoss. I wonder if that's an anti-Has strategy or his view on the match up. That resulted in some super weird games against Probe and luckily Probe was able to handle the scrappy games.
He said he did not scout Probe's third in game 3, not so sure about game 1 and game 2. But generally speaking Time favors this type of play anyways.
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H2h tiebreaker before map scores, how do I still get surprised by WESG formats
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On January 11 2018 21:07 Inflicted wrote:
H2h tiebreaker before map scores, how do I still get surprised by WESG formats
smh
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RIP Probe. After he beat TIME, I thought the worst case scenario was 3-1 in group with 4-0 not an outside possibility. According to aligulac, Probe hadn't lost to HuT in a series since 2014.
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As far as I know, we'll be without an English stream tonight because Wardi suffered a loss in his family (Rest in peace Bertie the Schnauzer).
edit: PiG might cast though he's probably going to ladder between series.
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On January 11 2018 23:10 Boggyb wrote:
RIP Probe. After he beat TIME, I thought the worst case scenario was 3-1 in group with 4-0 not an outside possibility. According to aligulac, Probe hadn't lost to HuT in a series since 2014.
A Chinese caster said he saw Probe smashing his keyboard after the loss against Has. I am not sure if this was true but that two games must have been frustrating for him to even think of.
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That chinese caster is wrong
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Well, that tournament bracket gives Maru ample opportunities to exorcise his TvP demons.
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On January 12 2018 23:02 Boggyb wrote:
Well, that tournament bracket gives Maru ample opportunities to exorcise his TvP demons.
If it ever happens we will have the perfect finals 
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Has vs Maru is what everyone's been waiting for, hopefully it happens. I actually think Has is favoured more against top koreans than foreigners, assuming they haven't caught up with who he is yet.
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On January 13 2018 03:33 Fango wrote:
Has vs Maru is what everyone's been waiting for, hopefully it happens. I actually think Has is favoured more against top koreans than foreigners, assuming they haven't caught up with who he is yet.
Maru definitely knows who Has is. He probably has nightmares caused by the IEM Gyeonggi qualifier.
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On January 12 2018 22:25 mGGrinehart wrote:That chinese caster is wrong
Glad to hear that.
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On January 13 2018 03:33 Fango wrote:
Has vs Maru is what everyone's been waiting for, hopefully it happens. I actually think Has is favoured more against top koreans than foreigners, assuming they haven't caught up with who he is yet.
Yes. I really want to see footage of Has' proxy tempest that isn't filmed with a cellphone cam.
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On January 13 2018 08:39 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 03:33 Fango wrote:
Has vs Maru is what everyone's been waiting for, hopefully it happens. I actually think Has is favoured more against top koreans than foreigners, assuming they haven't caught up with who he is yet. Maru definitely knows who Has is. He probably has nightmares caused by the IEM Gyeonggi qualifier.
It wouldn't suprise me if Maru disregarded that series as just some random foreigner.
edit: just tuned in to the tournament, of course Has in cannon rushing this guys natural and third :D
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Messy game from Has. He almost lost to a Nydus which should've been a reasonably easy hold.
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On January 13 2018 12:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Messy game from Has. He almost lost to a Nydus which should've been a reasonably easy hold.
when is it not messy?
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On January 13 2018 12:51 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 12:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Messy game from Has. He almost lost to a Nydus which should've been a reasonably easy hold. when is it not messy?
Sometimes his opponent has the decency to die outright to the mind games.
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Maru still wearing a face mask. Hope he's doing better since he forfeited in Onpoong against Trap.
Ah yes, time for the tempest rush.
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this is roughly what I expected when I heard shield batteries were back
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That's what Maru gets for not doing his research.
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this would be frustrating to play against
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On January 13 2018 17:04 Shellshock wrote:
this would be frustrating to play against
A bit, yes.
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I always imagined there would be more blink + shield battery all ins then star gate ones tbh
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THE GOD
THE LEGEND
HAAAAAAAAAAS
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HAS TAKES GAME ONE GET HYPED
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Correction: Has is Great^2. lmao
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Cheeser Terran gets deflected.
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Oh shit phoenix. Genius stuff from Has.
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I've watched German Porn less dirty than this series
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Has is such a legend man.
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Phoenix was a nice touch, GJ legend.
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I didn't think this build was that great on Abyssal since the shield batteries aren't close to the ramp, but that's why I'm not Has. Going phoenixes there is art.
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this is disgusting and it shouldnt be in the game
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Que the Teamliquid Terran QQ brigade...
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Gogogogogogogogo HAS !
: D
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On January 13 2018 17:18 Solar424 wrote:
If it ain't broke...
Even Maru isn't dumb enough not to scout the third time though. Could still work of course.
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On January 13 2018 17:18 Argonauta wrote:
this is disgusting and it shouldnt be in the game
Why do you hate greatness ?
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Bad luck from Has to warp-in the stalker a second before the cyclone showed up in his main. RIP.
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Maru didn't 'figure this out', he blind countered it lol.
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Please Maru win ...
Sc2 need a bo7 Maru vs Dark
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On January 13 2018 17:24 DieuCure wrote:Please Maru win ... Sc2 need a bo7 Maru vs Dark
Maru won't beat Classic.
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Now the thousand dollar question is if you go for it again as Maru might not expect it after it failed so badly. You can take the gold and go for the macro version of this. If he sends a cyclone recall your entire mineral line there.
edit: Meh. Has took the wrong gold.
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Expected result but like ever Has' game against a top tier player, he lost like he won. lol
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RIP Has
Proxy Stargate, as it turns out, can't work 5 games in a row
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Has not unpredictable enough game 5. Oh well, good lesson.
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On January 13 2018 17:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
RIP Has
Proxy Stargate, as it turns out, can't work 5 games in a row
I still think it would've worked game 4 if he hid it at the gold. Maru didn't scout all the way up there.
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If Maru had lost to Has, it would've been the worst day of JAGW.
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On January 13 2018 17:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 17:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
RIP Has
Proxy Stargate, as it turns out, can't work 5 games in a row I still think it would've worked game 4 if he hid it at the gold. Maru didn't scout all the way up there.
It would have worked if the gold base little fight was dealt with more carefully. That engagement marked the downfall of his plan, otherwise he would have got more stalkers at maru's base.
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Also rigged bracket to ensure one Chinese player in RO4. XD
Tho time vs xigua might be the most evenly matched game this round.
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On January 13 2018 17:41 busyghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 17:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 13 2018 17:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
RIP Has
Proxy Stargate, as it turns out, can't work 5 games in a row I still think it would've worked game 4 if he hid it at the gold. Maru didn't scout all the way up there. It would have worked if the gold base little fight was dealt with more carefully. That engagement marked the downfall of his plan, otherwise he would have got more stalkers at maru's base.
Has's micro is quite bad when it comes to normal stuff. There was no way that engagement was going to go too well.
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On January 13 2018 17:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 17:41 busyghost wrote:On January 13 2018 17:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 13 2018 17:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
RIP Has
Proxy Stargate, as it turns out, can't work 5 games in a row I still think it would've worked game 4 if he hid it at the gold. Maru didn't scout all the way up there. It would have worked if the gold base little fight was dealt with more carefully. That engagement marked the downfall of his plan, otherwise he would have got more stalkers at maru's base. Has's micro is quite bad when it comes to normal stuff. There was no way that engagement was going to go too well.
Exactly, his winrate in LOTV against koreans is higher than that against Chinese mainlanders. His winrate against Koreans is a bit above 40% in terms of games, but only 35% against the latter.
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On January 13 2018 17:37 Parcelleus wrote:
Has not unpredictable enough game 5. Oh well, good lesson.
What lesson? He is Has 
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Classic going for charge before blink to stop these 2 base pushes
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some huge wm connections but wasnt enough... classic even had a 4th o.o
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balance is out of there, well done blizzard, well done.
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win on 2 bases or die trying - Maru
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It's almost sad that toss can go double forge, take a comfortable 3rd, and still hold a two base allin with just gateway units. At no point was Maru even close to breaking him
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On January 14 2018 12:48 Fango wrote:
It's almost sad that toss can go double forge, take a comfortable 3rd, and still hold a two base allin with just gateway units. At no point was Maru even close to breaking him
Classic does have a perfect read on Maru (with upgrades finishing at the exact time Maru pushes in), but even so it is kinda silly.
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That's the "I'm already dead. Fuck it, might as well" pull the boys.
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hehehe T_T and that was a good defense setup :/
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Really makes you wonder how Zest manages to lose all those PvTs.
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After a series like that I imagine Maru goes and immediately reads the balance patch notes again
"Only two more weeks.....only two more weeks....."
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Wow that was very well balanced.
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On January 14 2018 12:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Really makes you wonder how Zest manages to lose all those PvTs.
He loves blink stalkers too much
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On January 14 2018 12:59 pvsnp wrote:
After a series like that I imagine Maru goes and immediately reads the balance patch notes again
"Only two more weeks.....only two more weeks....."
Where can we see those?
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I don't understand how top level protosses can lose to terran right now. A-moving up a ramp against mines+liberators and still winnning is cringeworthy
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On January 14 2018 13:03 Fango wrote:
I don't understand how top level protosses can lose to terran right now. A-moving up a ramp against mines+liberators and still winnning is cringeworthy
Classic narrowly lost to Inno (2-3) in the IEM Katowice qualifiers. Aside from that he has lost 0 series against Terran since 4.0 happened.
Stats has also lost 0 series against Terran since 4.0 happened.
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Come on, this match doesn't even matter, both of them are qualified for the main event, so the only consequence of Maru's loss is that Protoss is going to be nerfed MORE into oblivion in the next patch, and Maru can take all the easy Chinese money once again.
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I'm pretty sure Team Balance, they've watched this and they are sorry.
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In the first two games I was like "Dude, don't 2-base all in every game".
Then the third game happened. 16 more days.
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On January 14 2018 13:07 yht9657 wrote:
Come on, this match doesn't even matter, both of them are qualified for the main event, so the only consequence of Maru's loss is that Protoss is going to be nerfed MORE into oblivion in the next patch, and Maru can take all the easy Chinese money once again.
Despite the production quality, there's still 18K for first place. Almost double that of IEM Shangai or Super Tournament
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On January 14 2018 13:19 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2018 13:07 yht9657 wrote:
Come on, this match doesn't even matter, both of them are qualified for the main event, so the only consequence of Maru's loss is that Protoss is going to be nerfed MORE into oblivion in the next patch, and Maru can take all the easy Chinese money once again. Despite the production quality, there's still 18K for first place. Almost double that of IEM Shangai or Super Tournament
I'm sure the players care (a lot) about the prize money, but I personally couldn't give a shit. It's not like I'm getting any money, nor will top Koreans like Maru starve if they don't win huge prizes. WESG and Pyeongchang are just a circus show.
Personally, I'm glad that the balance patch will drop in time for the GSL to get serious with the Ro16, and for IEM Katowice, the big tournaments that actually count for something in terms of skill.
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On January 14 2018 13:24 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2018 13:19 Fango wrote:On January 14 2018 13:07 yht9657 wrote:
Come on, this match doesn't even matter, both of them are qualified for the main event, so the only consequence of Maru's loss is that Protoss is going to be nerfed MORE into oblivion in the next patch, and Maru can take all the easy Chinese money once again. Despite the production quality, there's still 18K for first place. Almost double that of IEM Shangai or Super Tournament I'm sure the players care (a lot) about the prize money, but I personally couldn't give a shit. It's not like I'm getting any money, nor will top Koreans like Maru starve if they don't win huge prizes. WESG and Pyeongchang are just a circus show. Personally, I'm glad that the balance patch will drop in time for the GSL to get serious with the Ro16, and for IEM Katowice, the big tournaments that actually count for something in terms of skill.
True, but the idea that Maru doesn't lose out at all here is still wrong. And I'm hoping at least 2 balance patches before katowice at least
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Classic is just a god. I'm not worried about anything
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Such a shame no matter how many patches we get before the main event there's not gonna be a TVT final again, the OP races are literally stealing money from hard-working Terran players.
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On January 14 2018 13:29 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2018 13:24 pvsnp wrote:On January 14 2018 13:19 Fango wrote:On January 14 2018 13:07 yht9657 wrote:
Come on, this match doesn't even matter, both of them are qualified for the main event, so the only consequence of Maru's loss is that Protoss is going to be nerfed MORE into oblivion in the next patch, and Maru can take all the easy Chinese money once again. Despite the production quality, there's still 18K for first place. Almost double that of IEM Shangai or Super Tournament I'm sure the players care (a lot) about the prize money, but I personally couldn't give a shit. It's not like I'm getting any money, nor will top Koreans like Maru starve if they don't win huge prizes. WESG and Pyeongchang are just a circus show. Personally, I'm glad that the balance patch will drop in time for the GSL to get serious with the Ro16, and for IEM Katowice, the big tournaments that actually count for something in terms of skill. True, but the idea that Maru doesn't lose out at all here is still wrong. And I'm hoping at least 2 balance patches before katowice at least
Well, the balance patch goes live on January 29.
On January 31, 2017 the Liberator was nerfed following the 3.8 balance issues in PvT. The next nerf (for WM) did not go live until March 7, after Katowice 2017 was finished. Judging by that schedule, I'd guess that we will know the contents of the next balance patch before Katowice 2018, but it will not yet be live.
And who knows where the meta will be by then? The Stalker nerf will certainly help Terrans out, and I for one hope that it will be enough.
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Btw, about Has, I found a song for him:
The Has (from The Fox)
Dark goes slow,
Byun three rax,
Shin Hyung driving and Maru splits.
herO smile,
soO hatch roach,
and the TY expand too much.
polt basetrade and Solar cheese,
and Reality build town hall.
But there's one build,
That no one knows,
What does the Has play?
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Dark was super sloppy that game with engagements, glad TIME was able to punish that and take a map
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if he had used the cyclones to kill the overseer he would have won the engage with unstoppable cloaked banshees right?
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On January 14 2018 14:15 pzlama333 wrote:
Btw, about Has, I found a song for him:
The Has (from The Fox)
Dark goes slow,
Byun three rax,
Shin Hyung driving and Maru splits.
herO smile,
soO hatch roach,
and the TY expand too much.
polt basetrade and Solar cheese,
and Reality build town hall.
But there's one build,
That no one knows,
What does the Has play?
That's pretty cool, where did you find that?
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wtf how did Has take two games off Maru
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On January 14 2018 16:21 Waxangel wrote:
wtf how did Has take two games off Maru
Proxy Stargate and Proxy Stargate, respectively
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Maru playing so disrespectful vs TIME, going to go 5. Its really not fun to watch when Maru plays against people he thinks he is way better than and does the same all in every game in a row
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time ourmicroing maru, wow
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On January 14 2018 16:33 starkiller123 wrote:
Maru playing so disrespectful vs TIME, going to go 5. Its really not fun to watch when Maru plays against people he thinks he is way better than and does the same all in every game in a row
...and he paid the price for it.
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On January 14 2018 16:37 yht9657 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2018 16:33 starkiller123 wrote:
Maru playing so disrespectful vs TIME, going to go 5. Its really not fun to watch when Maru plays against people he thinks he is way better than and does the same all in every game in a row ...and he paid the price for it.
yeah its nice to see him get punished for it
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On January 14 2018 16:44 maruzest wrote:Maru... I can't understand why
Time's micro and early-mid game aggression is what he excels at, he is the No. 2 player in China right after IAsonu.
Going 2rax for four games is not the ideal way to show that you are a lot superior than someone.
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On January 14 2018 16:33 starkiller123 wrote:
Maru playing so disrespectful vs TIME, going to go 5. Its really not fun to watch when Maru plays against people he thinks he is way better than and does the same all in every game in a row
Last year he was even more BM in wesg APAC as he basically nukes his way to the grand finals.
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Holy shit I tuned out. Maru what the heck?
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TIME beat Maru?! lol
That's what he deserves for playing so arrogantly.
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Sometimes I feel that, being one of the few players luck enough on a stable team like JAGW, is not helping with Maru's mentality.
Other Korean players that lost their team and have to live a harder life seem to value the prize money a lot more and playing a lot more online tournament help them to know when they should not to underestimate their opponents.
While Maru is still being Maru after all these years. Fun to watch sometimes, but then he lost a TvT series like this.
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bo7 to bo5 due to time constraints, what a joke...
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On January 14 2018 21:58 busyghost wrote:
bo7 to bo5 due to time constraints, what a joke...
Doesn't matter, would be 4-1 for protoss
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On January 14 2018 22:22 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2018 21:58 busyghost wrote:
bo7 to bo5 due to time constraints, what a joke... Doesn't matter, would be 4-1 for protoss
Those gosh darn adepts just keep finding a way.
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This hilariously direct product placement for the main sponsor drink is working... I'm gonna go look for it at the Asian supermarket when I get a chance.
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On January 14 2018 21:58 busyghost wrote:
bo7 to bo5 due to time constraints, what a joke...
The schedule did not change, take a look at the official website.
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On January 14 2018 22:40 Icarus2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2018 21:58 busyghost wrote:
bo7 to bo5 due to time constraints, what a joke... The schedule did not change, take a look at the official website.
Yeah, I just got informed on the neotv forums. Still, I felt that this ended too fast for the long wait...
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On January 14 2018 22:22 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2018 21:58 busyghost wrote:
bo7 to bo5 due to time constraints, what a joke... Doesn't matter, would be 4-1 for protoss
Could be 4-2 since they would've been forced to play on Battle of the Boardwalk (which incidentally impressed us all by not getting played a single time over the entire tournament).
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In game 2 Classic built two proxy gateways in Dark's main, funny game
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On January 15 2018 05:34 starkiller123 wrote:
In game 2 Classic built two proxy gateways in Dark's main, funny game
Classic did a really good job of blindsiding Dark in both games 2 and 4.
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EPT
Elusory 
Dark
Ranger
Enterprise 
Deruziel 
World Electronic Sports Games 2017/Asia-Pacific
