Man I really got not only the worst map pool vs terran, but also the worst spawns.

Arch of Janus (my veto), Grime, Sky Garden, Neon Violet Square, God's Garden (inno's veto)

Both neon violet and grime have centered mains instead of corner mains which really sucks vs terran. the "in-base" natural on neon violet holds no value to zerg. And from there, I have to just break down rocks up until minute 12 similar to playing Interloper. Not very fun for zerg.

Grime needs a more accessible 4th.

And then to top it off as if having a centered main instead of a corner main wasn't bad enough, I get unlucky with a 1 in 3 chance and get the worst possible spawns vs terran on sky garden. Leaves me with 2 choices: Letting terran expand freely across the map while i desperately try to keep my main intact vs vacs while trying to drag it to a 40 minute hive game, or all-in with an air-related build (this is what i tried).

Mappers really need to take into account that we don't want spawn related coin flips, and zerg doesn't want to spawn into terran all the time. Focus on fair development and balance. Imagine what pro games play out like before designing the map instead of relying on memes like this. We went over this in 2010 and 2011 already with lost temple and metalopolis. The air spawns on Sky Garden don't even have a sensible 4th for zerg outside of the super-remote gold base, which you'll never have creep control over anyway.

/rant

Zaros

United Kingdom3692 Posts

September 18 2017 13:12 GMT

#217

On September 18 2017 22:08 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Man I really got not only the worst map pool vs terran, but also the worst spawns.

Arch of Janus (my veto), Grime, Sky Garden, Neon Violet Square, God's Garden (inno's veto)

Both neon violet and grime have centered mains instead of corner mains which really sucks vs terran. the "in-base" natural on neon violet holds no value to zerg. And from there, I have to just break down rocks up until minute 12 similar to playing Interloper. Not very fun for zerg.

Grime needs a more accessible 4th.

And then to top it off as if having a centered main instead of a corner main wasn't bad enough, I get unlucky with a 1 in 3 chance and get the worst possible spawns vs terran on sky garden. Leaves me with 2 choices: Letting terran expand freely across the map while i desperately try to keep my main intact vs vacs while trying to drag it to a 40 minute hive game, or all-in with an air-related build (this is what i tried).

Mappers really need to take into account that we don't want spawn related coin flips, and zerg doesn't want to spawn into terran all the time. Focus on fair development and balance. Imagine what pro games play out like before designing the map instead of relying on memes like this. We went over this in 2010 and 2011 already with lost temple and metalopolis. The air spawns on God's Garden don't even have a sensible 4th for zerg outside of the super-remote gold base, which you'll never have creep control over anyway.

/rant

Maybe blame the judges for choosing the questionable maps in the first place

Liquid`Snute

Norway839 Posts

September 18 2017 13:19 GMT

#218

Sure, i was a bit busy with montreal this time around so i didn't judge, will do what i can to be judging in the next one. I hope I'm not alone in that having a 1/3 chance of air and 2/3 chance of long distance is fundamentally bad and should be instantly rejected by default. Others might think differently about spawn coinflips tho.

Ej_

47656 Posts

September 18 2017 13:20 GMT

#219

Nah Sky Garden is a shitshow.

Elentos

55585 Posts

September 18 2017 13:21 GMT

#220

On September 18 2017 22:19 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Sure, i was a bit busy with montreal this time around so i didn't judge, will do what i can to be judging in the next one. I hope I'm not alone in that having a 1/3 chance of air and 2/3 chance of long distance is fundamentally bad and should be instantly rejected by default. Others might think differently about spawn coinflips tho.

I don't get why you wouldn't disable close by air spawns on a map like that. Close by air is always gonna be problematic.

Not that I think cross spawns on a map that size would work out amazingly.