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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 10 2017 15:49 GMT
#121
On September 11 2017 00:48 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:44 Shellshock wrote:
the elephant in the room 2.0 is that 2017 players are shit and this era sux

If Overwatch players like myungsik and cure would switch they would instantly dominate the scene

Btw what's going on with Myungsik? I heard he wanted to switch back to SC2 but he isn't playing in any tournaments.

I think he played in some olimoleagues and then realized this game was too easy because the skill was too low so he went back to real games
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 15:50:20
September 10 2017 15:49 GMT
#122
On September 11 2017 00:44 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:41 Charoisaur wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:21 Olli wrote:
[quote]

That I can agree with. I don't agree at all that he's had the best year of any player ever.

I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

shame that he didn't have the option to play mech himself


Cure is a real man. He don't fight paper with knife.

Yeah he did the exact opposite and then disappeared into irrelevancy once he was exposed as a relict of an era where you could win half of your TvT and TvP matches by randomly boosting medivacs to your opponents main and brainlessly spam 4M after brainless 3CC banshee in TvZ.
Once the game changed and it required adaptation, forced positional play, Cure became irrelevant. Because that's what he was and always will be. One of the one-hit wonders that can't adapt. People that after years finally found their tune, but couldn't play any other music.
The Cures, the MyuNgSiKs, the Lilbows. All of them are just pebbles, rocks for players like Zest or INnoVation to step onto. All of those 1 season characters eventually disappear like droplets in the rain.
So don't bullshit me about "skil", "manliness" or "honor". Because even Mvp made INnoVation work harder with less things he had. Because even Mvp with half of the "skillful" EAPM Cure had, achieved more. Because Zest got abused by 5rax drop spam on Nimbus and then won a GSL a year later. While Cure was playing Overwatch.

Because class is permament and the Cures are temporary.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 10 2017 15:49 GMT
#123
On September 11 2017 00:48 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:44 Shellshock wrote:
the elephant in the room 2.0 is that 2017 players are shit and this era sux

If Overwatch players like myungsik and cure would switch they would instantly dominate the scene

Btw what's going on with Myungsik? I heard he wanted to switch back to SC2 but he isn't playing in any tournaments.


He got stomped in qualifiers, lost motivation

The real comebacks are Ragnarok and Cure ( and Cure gave him a lesson last year on Frost )
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 10 2017 15:49 GMT
#124
this is a close series
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4957 Posts
September 10 2017 15:50 GMT
#125
Uggh disgusting
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
September 10 2017 15:50 GMT
#126
On September 11 2017 00:46 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:44 Elentos wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:21 Olli wrote:
[quote]

That I can agree with. I don't agree at all that he's had the best year of any player ever.

I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

What a shame Cure got stomped in the only marine/tank vs marine/tank game of that series so he couldn't show his higher skill.



Lol you are 100% biased, sorry


Stupid facts getting in the way of your Cure hype, wow
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 10 2017 15:50 GMT
#127
True is on another level

a level down that is
Neosteel Enthusiast
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 10 2017 15:50 GMT
#128
TRUE should save his aligulac points and just forfeit game 3
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4957 Posts
September 10 2017 15:51 GMT
#129
On September 11 2017 00:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:46 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:44 Elentos wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

What a shame Cure got stomped in the only marine/tank vs marine/tank game of that series so he couldn't show his higher skill.



Lol you are 100% biased, sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02HA1SL7Zlc&list=PLFVgw8Tv8pV0rufNHZ4J7jgsUp48k406D&index=27
Stupid facts getting in the way of your Cure hype, wow



LOL that Wolf's hair
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 10 2017 15:51 GMT
#130
On September 11 2017 00:49 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:44 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:41 Charoisaur wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

shame that he didn't have the option to play mech himself


Cure is a real man. He don't fight paper with knife.

Yeah he did the exact opposite and then disappeared into irrelevancy once he was exposed as a relict of an era where you could win half of your TvT and TvP matches by randomly boosting medivacs to your opponents main and brainlessly spam 4M after brainless 3CC banshee in TvZ.
Once the game changed and it required adaptation, forced positional play, Cure became irrelevant. Because that's what he was and always will be. One of the one-hit wonders that can't adapt. People that after years finally found their tune, but couldn't play any other music.
The Cures, the MyuNgSiKs, the Lilbows. All of them are just pebbles, rocks for players like Zest or INnoVation to step onto. All of those 1 season characters eventually disappear like droplets in the rain.
So don't bullshit me about "skil", "manliness" or "honor". Because even Mvp made INnoVation work harder with less things he had. Because even Mvp with half of the "skillful" EAPM Cure had, achieved more. Because Zest got abused by 5rax drop spam on Nimbus and then won a GSL a year later. While Cure was playing Overwatch.

Because class is permament and the Cures are temporary.

I almost cried
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24236 Posts
September 10 2017 15:51 GMT
#131
shockingly easy. What a massacre.
Gurbak
Profile Joined January 2017
France622 Posts
September 10 2017 15:51 GMT
#132
why are we talking about the overwatch player again?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
September 10 2017 15:52 GMT
#133
On September 11 2017 00:49 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:44 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:41 Charoisaur wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

shame that he didn't have the option to play mech himself


Cure is a real man. He don't fight paper with knife.

Yeah he did the exact opposite and then disappeared into irrelevancy once he was exposed as a relict of an era where you could win half of your TvT and TvP matches by randomly boosting medivacs to your opponents main and brainlessly spam 4M after brainless 3CC banshee in TvZ.
Once the game changed and it required adaptation, forced positional play, Cure became irrelevant. Because that's what he was and always will be. One of the one-hit wonders that can't adapt. People that after years finally found their tune, but couldn't play any other music.
The Cures, the MyuNgSiKs, the Lilbows. All of them are just pebbles, rocks for players like Zest or INnoVation to step onto. All of those 1 season characters eventually disappear like droplets in the rain.
So don't bullshit me about "skil", "manliness" or "honor". Because even Mvp made INnoVation work harder with less things he had. Because even Mvp with half of the "skillful" EAPM Cure had, achieved more. Because Zest got abused by 5rax drop spam on Nimbus and then won a GSL a year later. While Cure was playing Overwatch.

Because class is permament and the Cures are temporary.

Damn
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
September 10 2017 15:52 GMT
#134
Neeb sentencing TRUE to death by machine
Liquipedia"Expert"
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 10 2017 15:52 GMT
#135
Did Lilbow's overwatch career ever take off?
Neosteel Enthusiast
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 10 2017 15:52 GMT
#136
Poor TRUE though like damn. Neeb will definitely win this tournament
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 10 2017 15:53 GMT
#137
NeebvZ just doesn't look fair this tournament at all
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 10 2017 15:53 GMT
#138
sC was 10x the player innovation was before his 3rd punctured lung that forced him to switch to heroes of the storm
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
September 10 2017 15:53 GMT
#139
On September 11 2017 00:48 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:44 Shellshock wrote:
the elephant in the room 2.0 is that 2017 players are shit and this era sux

If Overwatch players like myungsik and cure would switch they would instantly dominate the scene

Btw what's going on with Myungsik? I heard he wanted to switch back to SC2 but he isn't playing in any tournaments.

I'm sure he'll be in the Super Tournament qualifiers, but he's been having trouble getting back to a decent level really.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 10 2017 15:53 GMT
#140
On September 11 2017 00:53 Shellshock wrote:
sC was 10x the player innovation was before his 3rd punctured lung that forced him to switch to heroes of the storm

sC is actually a god that has carried his team on multiple positions in HotS :D. He's really good.
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