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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
September 10 2017 15:40 GMT
#101
On September 11 2017 00:40 Shellshock wrote:
Olli believes that 2011 HerO would beat Innovation today so...

2011 IdrA would surely beat todays Inno
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55573 Posts
September 10 2017 15:40 GMT
#102
On September 11 2017 00:40 Shellshock wrote:
Olli believes that 2011 HerO would beat Innovation today so...

But could 2017 HerO beat 2010 FruitDealer
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 10 2017 15:41 GMT
#103
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:21 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:15 Elentos wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:12 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
You say Stats had a good year? Damn you are right! I just noticed that he got top4 or better in 10 of the last 13 premier tournaments. WOW this might be the best 12 months of a starcraft2 player ever, damn. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, maybe some casters or writers might actually notice it as well now.


It isn't.

Dismissive. But I think even you can't deny that Stats doesn't get the praise he deserves for his 2017 from casters and the like.


That I can agree with. I don't agree at all that he's had the best year of any player ever.

I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate
TL+ Member
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 10 2017 15:41 GMT
#104
Poor TRUE, Neeb is gonna 3-0 him
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 10 2017 15:41 GMT
#105
On September 11 2017 00:40 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:40 Shellshock wrote:
Olli believes that 2011 HerO would beat Innovation today so...

But could 2017 HerO beat 2010 FruitDealer

Is Fruitdealer allowed to make spore crawlers?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 10 2017 15:41 GMT
#106
stop this best era talk or you'll summon angry stuchiu
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 15:42:43
September 10 2017 15:41 GMT
#107
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:21 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:15 Elentos wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:12 Olli wrote:
[quote]

It isn't.

Dismissive. But I think even you can't deny that Stats doesn't get the praise he deserves for his 2017 from casters and the like.


That I can agree with. I don't agree at all that he's had the best year of any player ever.

I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

shame that he didn't have the option to play mech himself
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 10 2017 15:42 GMT
#108
On September 11 2017 00:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
stop this best era talk or you'll summon angry TL Writers' bias "zerg is the manliest race" stuchiu

Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 10 2017 15:42 GMT
#109
On September 11 2017 00:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:21 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:15 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
Dismissive. But I think even you can't deny that Stats doesn't get the praise he deserves for his 2017 from casters and the like.


That I can agree with. I don't agree at all that he's had the best year of any player ever.

I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

shame that he didn't have the option to play mech

"it's just not as funny"
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
September 10 2017 15:42 GMT
#110
In one hand I dont want a ZvZ final, but I really want True to win.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 10 2017 15:43 GMT
#111
Mvp 2011 vs 2017 players = 4-0 everytime for sure

TOP would have 12K wcs points
TL+ Member
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
September 10 2017 15:43 GMT
#112
On September 11 2017 00:43 DieuCure wrote:
Mvp 2011 vs 2017 players = 4-0 everytime for sure

TOP would have 12K wcs points

2011 BitByBit would sweep 2017 GSL
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 10 2017 15:44 GMT
#113
On September 11 2017 00:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:21 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:15 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
Dismissive. But I think even you can't deny that Stats doesn't get the praise he deserves for his 2017 from casters and the like.


That I can agree with. I don't agree at all that he's had the best year of any player ever.

I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

shame that he didn't have the option to play mech himself


Cure is a real man. He don't fight paper with knife.
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55573 Posts
September 10 2017 15:44 GMT
#114
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:21 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:15 Elentos wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:12 Olli wrote:
[quote]

It isn't.

Dismissive. But I think even you can't deny that Stats doesn't get the praise he deserves for his 2017 from casters and the like.


That I can agree with. I don't agree at all that he's had the best year of any player ever.

I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

What a shame Cure got stomped in the only marine/tank vs marine/tank game of that series so he couldn't show his higher skill.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 10 2017 15:44 GMT
#115
the elephant in the room 2.0 is that 2017 players are shit and this era sux
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 10 2017 15:45 GMT
#116
On September 11 2017 00:44 Shellshock wrote:
the elephant in the room 2.0 is that 2017 players are shit and this era sux

If Overwatch players like myungsik and cure would switch they would instantly dominate the scene
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 10 2017 15:45 GMT
#117
On September 11 2017 00:43 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:43 DieuCure wrote:
Mvp 2011 vs 2017 players = 4-0 everytime for sure

TOP would have 12K wcs points

2011 BitByBit would sweep 2017 GSL



Easily, I mean, this era was like 8 sky above this one
TL+ Member
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 10 2017 15:46 GMT
#118
On September 11 2017 00:44 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:41 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:39 Ej_ wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:36 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:32 DieuCure wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:21 Olli wrote:
On September 11 2017 00:15 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
Dismissive. But I think even you can't deny that Stats doesn't get the praise he deserves for his 2017 from casters and the like.


That I can agree with. I don't agree at all that he's had the best year of any player ever.

I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it should be up for consideration at least imo


You can consider it, but I don't agree with it at all. If you're a good player nowadays, you're almost guaranteed a Ro16 in GSL since the competition is so thin now. Plus we've had years when players won 3 Korean tournaments in one year and never dropped off in skill, while Stats definitely did mid 2017. Mvp's 2011 was better imo, Zest's 2014 was as well. Arguments to be made about Life and Taeja when they peaked. Also an argument to be made about Maru in 2014 or 15. The last three I'm not sure though, but they felt much better at the time.


Everybody was bad at the time so it's pointless, example : harder to win 2 Champions League in a row nowadays than 5 in 50s.

You have to be fair.


Complete nonsense, and it isn't relevant anyway. People are not better now than they were in 2014 for example.



Yes I'm sure INnoVation 2017 would have gone 1-4 against Cure 2014 because he is weaker than ever now

Even 2003 INnoVation would roflstomp Cure


In 2014 he won only because Mech was a complete BS.

Cure's skill was higher, but mech can compensate

What a shame Cure got stomped in the only marine/tank vs marine/tank game of that series so he couldn't show his higher skill.



Lol you are 100% biased, sorry
TL+ Member
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
September 10 2017 15:48 GMT
#119
On September 11 2017 00:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 00:44 Shellshock wrote:
the elephant in the room 2.0 is that 2017 players are shit and this era sux

If Overwatch players like myungsik and cure would switch they would instantly dominate the scene

Btw what's going on with Myungsik? I heard he wanted to switch back to SC2 but he isn't playing in any tournaments.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
September 10 2017 15:48 GMT
#120
Show me the way of two-gate +1 Phoenix in sept 2017 bonjourno Neeb!
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