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On May 01 2017 02:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
I was wondering if anyone noticed the 10 hp nerf during the tournament? I did not notice it in my own games, if I didnt read the patchnotes or w/e I would not even have known about the nerf.
This tournament has barely had TvP's though (like a third of the number of the other non-mirrors). It's definitely noticeable if you look at more games. Among other things Protoss's PvT winrate on aligulac fell off a cliff.
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I don't feel like the games I've seen lately have had Adepts be that obnoxious really.
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On May 01 2017 02:48 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:46 Ej_ wrote:On May 01 2017 02:45 Fango wrote:On May 01 2017 02:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:42 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Adepts get nerfed to the ground and people are still complaining...
Neeb is just much better than Major "Adepts get nerfed to the ground" - Protoss still wins with adepts, Zealots nowhere to be seen. I don't know Kev... Even if adepts got removed from the game you wouldn't see zealots in PvT until the late-game. If they got removed you wouldn't see protosses get the most ez wins I think they ever have. And that's taking blink allins into account 2014 blink was the most imbalanced period in history of SC2 so you're pretty much making shit up now Some terrans defended blink 2014. It was imbalanced as fuck, but when a terran actually won it was incredible. With this I honestly don't know what major could have done. walled of better I guess?
It's simple,you just have to ask yourself "Would INnoVation win this?", then "Would Maru win this?", then "Would TY win this?", "Would aLive win this?", etc.
and the answer is always pretty much the same. The difference between good and amazing players can be in very little things that just amount on top of each other in a game and build up a big advantage,
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On May 01 2017 02:47 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:45 Poopi wrote:On May 01 2017 02:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Neeb will probably win now. he has a good record against TRUE and Nerchio struggles in ZvP Nerchio is a mastermind tho, he always complain about protoss knowing perfectly that he can win ZvP anyways, in order to give confidence to the protosses and crush them. I doubt any pro player puts much stock into what another says about their worst match ups.
That's why it's brilliant: even if they don't do it consciously, a part of them starts to think it, and in the public eyes if Nerchio wins he is that good, while if he loses it's just protoss being strong.
Zergs and terrans hate protoss so much that they often use this tool to make them feel guilty :D
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On May 01 2017 02:48 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:45 Fango wrote:On May 01 2017 02:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:42 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Adepts get nerfed to the ground and people are still complaining...
Neeb is just much better than Major "Adepts get nerfed to the ground" - Protoss still wins with adepts, Zealots nowhere to be seen. I don't know Kev... Even if adepts got removed from the game you wouldn't see zealots in PvT until the late-game. If they got removed you wouldn't see protosses get the most ez wins I think they ever have. And that's taking blink allins into account yeah adepts don't take any skill............ Don't have to split shades in in multiple places, focus firing workers and canceling shades at the right moment while macroing at home. It's so easy, a monkey could do that.
No offence man, but it's really not that hard. Unless the warp prism is under fire you can keep just warping in every cycle and shade them between patches.
Litterally every protoss player right now can do it with no struggles, and once the adepts get in there they usually always win. That's an ez victory if I've ever seen one.
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People wanted a strong gateway unit so not every game is turtle into T3.
It got implemented and now we see action-packed multitasking-intensive games.
But people are still whining because Protoss shouldn't be able to win games.
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On May 01 2017 02:50 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:48 Charoisaur wrote:On May 01 2017 02:45 Fango wrote:On May 01 2017 02:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:42 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Adepts get nerfed to the ground and people are still complaining...
Neeb is just much better than Major "Adepts get nerfed to the ground" - Protoss still wins with adepts, Zealots nowhere to be seen. I don't know Kev... Even if adepts got removed from the game you wouldn't see zealots in PvT until the late-game. If they got removed you wouldn't see protosses get the most ez wins I think they ever have. And that's taking blink allins into account yeah adepts don't take any skill............ Don't have to split shades in in multiple places, focus firing workers and canceling shades at the right moment while macroing at home. It's so easy, a monkey could do that. No offence man, but it's really not that hard. Unless the warp prism is under fire you can keep just warping in every cycle and shade them between patches. Litterally every protoss player right now can do it with no struggles, and once the adepts get in there they usually always win. That's an ez victory if I've ever seen one.
That's just flat out lying but whatever, salt is going to be salty.
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On May 01 2017 02:47 Kaewins wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:44 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:42 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Adepts get nerfed to the ground and people are still complaining...
Neeb is just much better than Major "Adepts get nerfed to the ground" - Protoss still wins with adepts, Zealots nowhere to be seen. I don't know Kev... Even if adepts got removed from the game you wouldn't see zealots in PvT until the late-game. Which is a testament of the current state of Protos and SC2 in general. It turns out zealots aren't very good against an army that can kite them into oblivion. Who knew. I thing called Zealot/Colossus existed, but it got shafted in favor of a unit, that is as tanky as a Zealot, is ranged and can teleport.
Zealot/Colossus?!? That sounds like a composition that gets hard countered by everything terran could possibly go for. When has anyone ever gone for that?
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It's simple,you just have to ask yourself "Would INnoVation win this?", then "Would Maru win this?", then "Would TY win this?", "Would aLive win this?", etc.
and the answe is always pretty much the same. The difference between good and amazing players can be in very little things that just amount on top of each other in a game and build up a big advantage,
Maru would've kept up the WM drops and just strangled Neeb's eco. TY would've had ghosts and slaughtered the army with EMPs. aLive would've....well he lost to herO, so I dunno. INnoVation would've just had three times as much bio and steamrolled right over Neeb's army.
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On May 01 2017 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:47 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:44 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:42 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Adepts get nerfed to the ground and people are still complaining...
Neeb is just much better than Major "Adepts get nerfed to the ground" - Protoss still wins with adepts, Zealots nowhere to be seen. I don't know Kev... Even if adepts got removed from the game you wouldn't see zealots in PvT until the late-game. Which is a testament of the current state of Protos and SC2 in general. It turns out zealots aren't very good against an army that can kite them into oblivion. Who knew. I thing called Zealot/Colossus existed, but it got shafted in favor of a unit, that is as tanky as a Zealot, is ranged and can teleport. Zealot/Colossus?!? That sounds like a composition that gets hard countered by everything terran could possibly go for. When has anyone ever gone for that?
Pigbaby beat Taeja handily in HotS with chargelot/colo build with mass observers
Now there are liberators so it wouldn't work 
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On May 01 2017 02:49 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:48 Fango wrote:On May 01 2017 02:46 Ej_ wrote:On May 01 2017 02:45 Fango wrote:On May 01 2017 02:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:42 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Adepts get nerfed to the ground and people are still complaining...
Neeb is just much better than Major "Adepts get nerfed to the ground" - Protoss still wins with adepts, Zealots nowhere to be seen. I don't know Kev... Even if adepts got removed from the game you wouldn't see zealots in PvT until the late-game. If they got removed you wouldn't see protosses get the most ez wins I think they ever have. And that's taking blink allins into account 2014 blink was the most imbalanced period in history of SC2 so you're pretty much making shit up now Some terrans defended blink 2014. It was imbalanced as fuck, but when a terran actually won it was incredible. With this I honestly don't know what major could have done. walled of better I guess? It's simple,you just have to ask yourself "Would INnoVation win this?", then "Would Maru win this?", then "Would TY win this?", "Would aLive win this?", etc. and the answer is always pretty much the same. The difference between good and amazing players can be in very little things that just amount on top of each other in a game and build up a big advantage,
Those guys still lose to this though.
Maybe I'm just salty because Major was playing much better this tournament. His macro and control has been insane. But then nope it doesn't matter how bad Neeb's PvT is, he can warp in Adepts and press the shade key
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On May 01 2017 02:50 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:47 Boggyb wrote:On May 01 2017 02:45 Poopi wrote:On May 01 2017 02:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Neeb will probably win now. he has a good record against TRUE and Nerchio struggles in ZvP Nerchio is a mastermind tho, he always complain about protoss knowing perfectly that he can win ZvP anyways, in order to give confidence to the protosses and crush them. I doubt any pro player puts much stock into what another says about their worst match ups. That's why it's brilliant: even if they don't do it consciously, a part of them starts to think it, and in the public eyes if Nerchio wins he is that good, while if he loses it's just protoss being strong. Zergs and terrans hate protoss so much that they often use this tool to make them feel guilty :D
There are vocal sections of the player base of each race that does that.
If a Terran player beats a Zerg player, Terran is OP.
If a Zerg player beats a Terran player, Zerg is OP.
And so on and so forth.
I don't put stock into what pro players say about balance because I don't trust or believe them.
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Those guys still lose to this though.
Maybe I'm just salty because Major was playing much better this tournament. His macro and control has been insane. But then nope it doesn't matter how bad Neeb's PvT is, he can warp in Adepts and press the shade key
I think his point was that they lose to guys like Stats, not Neeb.
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On May 01 2017 02:53 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +It's simple,you just have to ask yourself "Would INnoVation win this?", then "Would Maru win this?", then "Would TY win this?", "Would aLive win this?", etc.
and the answe is always pretty much the same. The difference between good and amazing players can be in very little things that just amount on top of each other in a game and build up a big advantage,
Maru would've kept up the WM drops and just strangled Neeb's eco. TY would've had ghosts and slaughtered the army with EMPs. aLive would've....well he lost to herO, so I dunno. INnoVation would've just had three times as much bio and steamrolled right over Neeb's army.
aLive lost to herO pre-patch and herO is twice as good as Neeb.
Right now he'd slaughter Neeb
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On May 01 2017 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:47 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:44 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:42 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Adepts get nerfed to the ground and people are still complaining...
Neeb is just much better than Major "Adepts get nerfed to the ground" - Protoss still wins with adepts, Zealots nowhere to be seen. I don't know Kev... Even if adepts got removed from the game you wouldn't see zealots in PvT until the late-game. Which is a testament of the current state of Protos and SC2 in general. It turns out zealots aren't very good against an army that can kite them into oblivion. Who knew. I thing called Zealot/Colossus existed, but it got shafted in favor of a unit, that is as tanky as a Zealot, is ranged and can teleport. Zealot/Colossus?!? That sounds like a composition that gets hard countered by everything terran could possibly go for. When has anyone ever gone for that?
When the game was actually more fun to play and watch.
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On May 01 2017 02:54 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:50 Poopi wrote:On May 01 2017 02:47 Boggyb wrote:On May 01 2017 02:45 Poopi wrote:On May 01 2017 02:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Neeb will probably win now. he has a good record against TRUE and Nerchio struggles in ZvP Nerchio is a mastermind tho, he always complain about protoss knowing perfectly that he can win ZvP anyways, in order to give confidence to the protosses and crush them. I doubt any pro player puts much stock into what another says about their worst match ups. That's why it's brilliant: even if they don't do it consciously, a part of them starts to think it, and in the public eyes if Nerchio wins he is that good, while if he loses it's just protoss being strong. Zergs and terrans hate protoss so much that they often use this tool to make them feel guilty :D There are vocal sections of the player base of each race that does that. If a Terran player beats a Zerg player, Terran is OP. If a Zerg player beats a Terran player, Zerg is OP. And so on and so forth. I don't put stock into what pro players say about balance because I don't trust or believe them.
I can assure you that zergs and terrans unite against protoss.
Like on Twitter both zergs and terrans pros would make fun of protoss for being the easy race.
It's partially true, but you don't see protoss and zergs team up against terrans, because zergs and terrans both hate protoss the most and would rather play ZvT/TvZ.
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On May 01 2017 02:54 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2017 02:49 Ej_ wrote:On May 01 2017 02:48 Fango wrote:On May 01 2017 02:46 Ej_ wrote:On May 01 2017 02:45 Fango wrote:On May 01 2017 02:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On May 01 2017 02:42 Kaewins wrote:On May 01 2017 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Adepts get nerfed to the ground and people are still complaining...
Neeb is just much better than Major "Adepts get nerfed to the ground" - Protoss still wins with adepts, Zealots nowhere to be seen. I don't know Kev... Even if adepts got removed from the game you wouldn't see zealots in PvT until the late-game. If they got removed you wouldn't see protosses get the most ez wins I think they ever have. And that's taking blink allins into account 2014 blink was the most imbalanced period in history of SC2 so you're pretty much making shit up now Some terrans defended blink 2014. It was imbalanced as fuck, but when a terran actually won it was incredible. With this I honestly don't know what major could have done. walled of better I guess? It's simple,you just have to ask yourself "Would INnoVation win this?", then "Would Maru win this?", then "Would TY win this?", "Would aLive win this?", etc. and the answer is always pretty much the same. The difference between good and amazing players can be in very little things that just amount on top of each other in a game and build up a big advantage, Those guys still lose to this though. Maybe I'm just salty because Major was playing much better this tournament. His macro and control has been insane. But then nope it doesn't matter how bad Neeb's PvT is, he can warp in Adepts and press the shade key
They don't lose to this when it's Neeb doing the adepting.
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