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intotheheart
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On February 09 2017 23:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: Interesting. The only times i see protoss win is if the toss does some weird shit. Any time he plays defensive macro style terran seems to win with pretty much anything :D TY and ByuN are both really good players too, no? :O So it might just look off because of how good they are. That being said it does boil down to individual-game execution. | ||
Olli
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On February 09 2017 23:09 intotheheart wrote: TY and ByuN are both really good players too, no? :O So it might just look off because of how good they are. That being said it does boil down to individual-game execution. Let's also say it's much easier for Terran to execute properly than it is for protoss. That's my opinion at least. Pylon overcharge means that the most important thing in the midgame is essentially where you put your pylons and whether or not you're quick enough to react. If they get a single drop off, the game is as good as over. There's a bunch of separate issues stacked on top of each other, though. Some maps are so stupid for specific playstyles - whether it be liberator/tank pushes, or what ByuN did earlier (CC first with reactor/tech lab and no units). On 4p maps, Terran can do literally everything. Factory openings (like Cyclone pushes) kill you if you aren't prepared, so protoss has to essentially prepare for everything possible if they don't get significant scouting intel - which again leaves Terran free to do whatever they want. There's one single good macro build for protoss, which is a very defensive double forge/colossus build with 6 gates on 2 bases before taking a third. But that's so stupidly obvious by now that Terran can easily play around it. And the build definitely has its weaknesses, such as greedy CC first or even triple CC builds. | ||
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intotheheart
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The_Red_Viper
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On February 09 2017 23:13 Olli wrote: Let's also say it's much easier for Terran to execute properly than it is for protoss. That's my opinion at least. Pylon overcharge means that the most important thing in the midgame is essentially where you put your pylons and whether or not you're quick enough to react. If they get a single drop off, the game is as good as over. I actually don't think this is true. I would rather say protoss doesn't have as much opportunity to win purely based on execution. A good terran can outmultitask, outmicro the opponent because he has the tools to do so. The same isn't necessarily true for protoss and zerg. | ||
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intotheheart
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Ej_
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On February 09 2017 23:25 intotheheart wrote: I think we can argue about the nature of the races all we want, but the reality is that top-tier players kinda shatter the expectations anyway - it's part of what makes them top-tier. well yeah I mean the game is balanced around Dark existing atm | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Ramiz1989
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On February 09 2017 23:25 intotheheart wrote: I think we can argue about the nature of the races all we want, but the reality is that top-tier players kinda shatter the expectations anyway - it's part of what makes them top-tier. But it has always been like that, every time there are statistical imbalances there are few top players that just does well compared to everyone else. | ||
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intotheheart
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Rifkin
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On February 09 2017 23:23 The_Red_Viper wrote: I actually don't think this is true. I would rather say protoss doesn't have as much opportunity to win purely based on execution. A good terran can outmultitask, outmicro the opponent because he has the tools to do so. The same isn't necessarily true for protoss and zerg. very true. everyone hyping the terrans atm and what super great players they are. do ppl really think that for some coincidence all these terrans dominate so hard because, well, they are just so much better than the protoss and zerg players of their caliber? if a top korean terran perfectly uses all tools of his race, theres just so much a zerg/protoss, no matter how good of a player, can do against it. 3 rax reaper is still alive and kickin while ultras got nerfed back to the wonky crap unit they once were. | ||
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shadymmj
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He killed 24 drones early on, blew up the natural, secured a strong position at the choke and still got torn apart by vipers. I think in HotS mech was truly scary. | ||
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Ej_
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On February 16 2017 21:45 shadymmj wrote: i stopped playing sc2 because mech sucks so much, i know Terran is winning right now with bio but I don't see what ryung could have done better. He killed 24 drones early on, blew up the natural, secured a strong position at the choke and still got torn apart by vipers. I think in HotS mech was truly scary. in HotS mech was impossible to beat so yeah, it was scary. you are right there. Things that Ryung could have done better: kill any queen with hellbats, don't amove hellbats into roaches (i mean you already went hellbat "allin" vs roaches in the first place), hit your pre-hive timing before hive | ||
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