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EatingBomber
Profile Joined August 2015
1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-18 06:01:06
December 18 2016 06:00 GMT
#101
On December 18 2016 14:56 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2016 14:54 EatingBomber wrote:
Oh, nvm, the units tab showed it - 2 Medivacs at the very end and only one of them was present at the fight in INnoVation's natural.

Good god, he actually dared to drop 8 Marines with the 1 Medivac he had while facing an all-in. How good is he?


usually thats what a good player does. He is aware that 8 marines probably don't make for hold or not but they can make a difference when being offensive

Actually, I think against Gateways-Voids all-ins you want every single unit to be present - 8 Marines with stimpack (and a Medivac) are actually extremely valuable assets that you would want to have because the snowball effect with Protoss units in this kind of all-in, once all bio units are dead, almost certainly guarantees a win. INnoVation dropping with 8 Marines and the sole Medivac he had, I think was a sign of supreme confidence because it was super risky

Edit: What Charoisaur said as well.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
December 18 2016 06:00 GMT
#102
Innovation would never blow a 3-0 lead. He has this in the bag.
EatingBomber
Profile Joined August 2015
1017 Posts
December 18 2016 06:01 GMT
#103
On December 18 2016 15:00 Solar424 wrote:
Innovation would never blow a 3-0 lead. He has this in the bag.

LOL
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 18 2016 06:01 GMT
#104
On December 18 2016 14:59 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2016 14:56 TaKeTV wrote:
On December 18 2016 14:54 EatingBomber wrote:
Oh, nvm, the units tab showed it - 2 Medivacs at the very end and only one of them was present at the fight in INnoVation's natural.

Good god, he actually dared to drop 8 Marines with the 1 Medivac he had while facing an all-in. How good is he?


usually thats what a good player does. He is aware that 8 marines probably don't make for hold or not but they can make a difference when being offensive

when playing vs an allin it's usually not worth it to send units out to harass because you're already ahead just by holding the allin and if you don't hold the allin it doesn't matter if you kill 20 workers on the other side of the map because you have nothing to kill the army and lose.
in this game it worked but I think if he kept all his units at home he would've won even easier.


It does remove from your opponent the option of pulling back to regroup for another round of warp-ins before continuing the all-in, and puts pressure on them, so it isn't all bad. Not sure if it was good in this particular case, would have the check the replay carefully to know for sure.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16033 Posts
December 18 2016 06:01 GMT
#105
On December 18 2016 14:58 stuchiu wrote:
I'd have like to see if a better micro Protoss would've won anyway. Oh well.

this is the best micro toss in the highest skilled era. players of past years are low skill level compared to this.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 18 2016 06:03 GMT
#106
Looks like 2017 is gonna be the Return of the Machine. Again.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 18 2016 06:03 GMT
#107
On December 18 2016 15:01 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2016 14:58 stuchiu wrote:
I'd have like to see if a better micro Protoss would've won anyway. Oh well.

this is the best micro toss in the highest skilled era. players of past years are low skill level compared to this.

no one thinks stats is the micro toss
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 18 2016 06:03 GMT
#108
On December 18 2016 15:00 Solar424 wrote:
Innovation would never blow a 3-0 lead. He has this in the bag.


not sure if serious...

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33542 Posts
December 18 2016 06:03 GMT
#109
REVERSE SWEEP
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 18 2016 06:04 GMT
#110
channel the spirit of soulkey

or effort
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
December 18 2016 06:04 GMT
#111
I think the distraction just barely saved Inno since Stats charged head strong into two widow mines and lost everything, then again, 8 stimmed marines and a medivac would've probably secured the win without any risk attached.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 18 2016 06:04 GMT
#112
On December 18 2016 15:03 Waxangel wrote:
REVERSE SWEEP


that's a sure way to get triggered
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16033 Posts
December 18 2016 06:05 GMT
#113
On December 18 2016 15:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2016 14:59 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 18 2016 14:56 TaKeTV wrote:
On December 18 2016 14:54 EatingBomber wrote:
Oh, nvm, the units tab showed it - 2 Medivacs at the very end and only one of them was present at the fight in INnoVation's natural.

Good god, he actually dared to drop 8 Marines with the 1 Medivac he had while facing an all-in. How good is he?


usually thats what a good player does. He is aware that 8 marines probably don't make for hold or not but they can make a difference when being offensive

when playing vs an allin it's usually not worth it to send units out to harass because you're already ahead just by holding the allin and if you don't hold the allin it doesn't matter if you kill 20 workers on the other side of the map because you have nothing to kill the army and lose.
in this game it worked but I think if he kept all his units at home he would've won even easier.


It does remove from your opponent the option of pulling back to regroup for another round of warp-ins before continuing the all-in, and puts pressure on them, so it isn't all bad. Not sure if it was good in this particular case, would have the check the replay carefully to know for sure.

that's true but when he can't break you with his first push while a part of your army is on the other side of the map I don't think the allin would have any chance of working if all your units are at home even with additional warpins.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
December 18 2016 06:05 GMT
#114
what if soulkey was sitting in the front row right now, staring
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
December 18 2016 06:06 GMT
#115
On December 18 2016 14:52 Topin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2016 14:51 Nakajin wrote:
The demon speed of INnovation is to good for Stats

i didnt even notice, what was it?


The way he unburrow and burrow the mines against the void ray, only a true monster speed demon can do that.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 18 2016 06:06 GMT
#116
On December 18 2016 15:04 IshinShishi wrote:
I think the distraction just barely saved Inno since Stats charged head strong into two widow mines and lost everything, then again, 8 stimmed marines and a medivac would've probably secured the win without any risk attached.



you're overthinking this. The bottom line is that Inno is almost good enough for GumBa to regain his passion
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 18 2016 06:06 GMT
#117
On December 18 2016 15:04 Heyoka wrote:
channel the spirit of soulkey

or effort


ggplay

life
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16033 Posts
December 18 2016 06:06 GMT
#118
On December 18 2016 15:00 Solar424 wrote:
Innovation would never blow a 3-0 lead. He has this in the bag.

can't wait for Inno to fly 3 medivacs full of units into phoenixes.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3556 Posts
December 18 2016 06:06 GMT
#119
will Soulkey spirit try to fight a machine?
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 18 2016 06:06 GMT
#120
On December 18 2016 15:05 negativedge wrote:
what if soulkey was sitting in the front row right now, staring


that would mean that he has to actually show up for an event
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
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