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On November 06 2016 05:42 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 05:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2016 05:38 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2016 05:35 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 06 2016 05:30 Elentos wrote:On November 06 2016 05:29 Makro wrote:
TL.net on our side
Inb4 "It's also foolish to judge their competitiveness on a couple of bo3s" at this point i've been told not draw any conclusions from any starcraft game ever so idk anymore The point is that we didn't see foreigners get stomped universally. We saw Showtime advance first out of a group with Byun and Dear, we saw Elazer and Nerchio beat SSL champ Solar, Neeb has already proven that he can compete with the best and showed that again this tournament. On the whole this tournament showed that foreigners can compete against the best Koreans; they might not be able to win the whole thing but they can be competitive. And with a lucky draw, they could even win. If that's the progress in one year, then next year looks like things will be close to even -- especially if SC2 in Korea keeps crumbling. So? There always were foreigners who could compete against top koreans based on matchup, etc. Yes, but never on this scale. What scale are we talking about here exactly? Do we still have the same amount of top tier koreans? I stay by what i have said, foreigners got better (the scene as a whole) but koreans also got worse (the scene as a whole) Compared to 2014 that is Still remember back when HoTS released and Innovation was crushing zergs left and right, hopefully Byun can show me that in the finals tonight.
That guy was insane and 10 times better than Byun is today.
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France12906 Posts
On November 06 2016 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 05:35 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 06 2016 05:30 Elentos wrote:Inb4 "It's also foolish to judge their competitiveness on a couple of bo3s" at this point i've been told not draw any conclusions from any starcraft game ever so idk anymore The point is that we didn't see foreigners get stomped universally. We saw Showtime advance first out of a group with Byun and Dear, we saw Elazer and Nerchio beat SSL champ Solar, Neeb has already proven that he can compete with the best and showed that again this tournament. On the whole this tournament showed that foreigners can compete against the best Koreans; they might not be able to win the whole thing but they can be competitive. And with a lucky draw, they could even win. If that's the progress in one year, then next year looks like things will be close to even -- especially if SC2 in Korea keeps crumbling. So? There always were foreigners who could compete against top koreans based on matchup, etc.
Not as much as this lol.
Foreigners won far too much for my taste and that says something
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On November 06 2016 05:44 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Honestly I can see Byun getting a 3-0 in less than 30 minutes as well here
Maybe they can extend the finals to bo19 then
Stats took 3 maps off him out of 9 in October. I don't think it will be that easy for Byun
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On November 06 2016 05:42 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2016 05:35 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 06 2016 05:30 Elentos wrote:Inb4 "It's also foolish to judge their competitiveness on a couple of bo3s" at this point i've been told not draw any conclusions from any starcraft game ever so idk anymore The point is that we didn't see foreigners get stomped universally. We saw Showtime advance first out of a group with Byun and Dear, we saw Elazer and Nerchio beat SSL champ Solar, Neeb has already proven that he can compete with the best and showed that again this tournament. On the whole this tournament showed that foreigners can compete against the best Koreans; they might not be able to win the whole thing but they can be competitive. And with a lucky draw, they could even win. If that's the progress in one year, then next year looks like things will be close to even -- especially if SC2 in Korea keeps crumbling. So? There always were foreigners who could compete against top koreans based on matchup, etc. Yeh that's the stuchiu myth. He loves to bring up his Snute example despite Snute losing 6-7 straight bo3s/bo5s before/after his two wins over Classic/Rain (in bo3s).
So? Neeb also lost as far as i can see. Elazer as well. The point is that there always were foreigners who could *sometimes* compete against top tier koreans based on matchup, etc
Now we had some foreigners do the same. People overhype this "foreigners can compete" narrative, especially because how many foreigners actually are on that lvl now?
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United States97276 Posts
On November 06 2016 05:45 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 05:42 BigFan wrote:On November 06 2016 05:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2016 05:38 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2016 05:35 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 06 2016 05:30 Elentos wrote:Inb4 "It's also foolish to judge their competitiveness on a couple of bo3s" at this point i've been told not draw any conclusions from any starcraft game ever so idk anymore The point is that we didn't see foreigners get stomped universally. We saw Showtime advance first out of a group with Byun and Dear, we saw Elazer and Nerchio beat SSL champ Solar, Neeb has already proven that he can compete with the best and showed that again this tournament. On the whole this tournament showed that foreigners can compete against the best Koreans; they might not be able to win the whole thing but they can be competitive. And with a lucky draw, they could even win. If that's the progress in one year, then next year looks like things will be close to even -- especially if SC2 in Korea keeps crumbling. So? There always were foreigners who could compete against top koreans based on matchup, etc. Yes, but never on this scale. What scale are we talking about here exactly? Do we still have the same amount of top tier koreans? I stay by what i have said, foreigners got better (the scene as a whole) but koreans also got worse (the scene as a whole) Compared to 2014 that is Still remember back when HoTS released and Innovation was crushing zergs left and right, hopefully Byun can show me that in the finals tonight. That guy was insane and 10 times better than Byun is today.
maybe even 11 times better
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On November 06 2016 05:45 usopsama wrote:
The caster-hype for Byun is so cringey.
they hype a korean, what's the problem ?
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They are just overhyping Byun. And I dont know why
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On November 06 2016 05:46 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 05:45 usopsama wrote:
The caster-hype for Byun is so cringey. they hype a korean, what's the problem ?
He's not a KeSPA player. And he never was one either.
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The passive aggressiveness in this thread is real
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On November 06 2016 05:46 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 05:45 usopsama wrote:
The caster-hype for Byun is so cringey. they hype a korean, what's the problem ?
Not KeSPA would be my guess :p
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On November 06 2016 05:46 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 05:45 usopsama wrote:
The caster-hype for Byun is so cringey. they hype a korean, what's the problem ?
went through a hiatus and not kespa bred, so not pure blood
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either way this series goes, were gonna get an awesome finals.
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If I'd live in Azeroth I would just shrug if the burning legion would invade.. again..
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On November 06 2016 05:45 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 05:42 BigFan wrote:On November 06 2016 05:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2016 05:38 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2016 05:35 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 06 2016 05:30 Elentos wrote:Inb4 "It's also foolish to judge their competitiveness on a couple of bo3s" at this point i've been told not draw any conclusions from any starcraft game ever so idk anymore The point is that we didn't see foreigners get stomped universally. We saw Showtime advance first out of a group with Byun and Dear, we saw Elazer and Nerchio beat SSL champ Solar, Neeb has already proven that he can compete with the best and showed that again this tournament. On the whole this tournament showed that foreigners can compete against the best Koreans; they might not be able to win the whole thing but they can be competitive. And with a lucky draw, they could even win. If that's the progress in one year, then next year looks like things will be close to even -- especially if SC2 in Korea keeps crumbling. So? There always were foreigners who could compete against top koreans based on matchup, etc. Yes, but never on this scale. What scale are we talking about here exactly? Do we still have the same amount of top tier koreans? I stay by what i have said, foreigners got better (the scene as a whole) but koreans also got worse (the scene as a whole) Compared to 2014 that is Still remember back when HoTS released and Innovation was crushing zergs left and right, hopefully Byun can show me that in the finals tonight. That guy was insane and 10 times better than Byun is today.
No but basically the same skill level
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On November 06 2016 05:48 Penev wrote:
If I'd live in Azeroth I would just shrug if the burning legion would invade.. again..
Azeroth citizen must watch every Blizzcon with a lot of fear
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On November 06 2016 05:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 05:45 Hider wrote:On November 06 2016 05:42 BigFan wrote:On November 06 2016 05:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2016 05:38 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2016 05:35 Plexa wrote:On November 06 2016 05:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 06 2016 05:30 Elentos wrote:Inb4 "It's also foolish to judge their competitiveness on a couple of bo3s" at this point i've been told not draw any conclusions from any starcraft game ever so idk anymore The point is that we didn't see foreigners get stomped universally. We saw Showtime advance first out of a group with Byun and Dear, we saw Elazer and Nerchio beat SSL champ Solar, Neeb has already proven that he can compete with the best and showed that again this tournament. On the whole this tournament showed that foreigners can compete against the best Koreans; they might not be able to win the whole thing but they can be competitive. And with a lucky draw, they could even win. If that's the progress in one year, then next year looks like things will be close to even -- especially if SC2 in Korea keeps crumbling. So? There always were foreigners who could compete against top koreans based on matchup, etc. Yes, but never on this scale. What scale are we talking about here exactly? Do we still have the same amount of top tier koreans? I stay by what i have said, foreigners got better (the scene as a whole) but koreans also got worse (the scene as a whole) Compared to 2014 that is Still remember back when HoTS released and Innovation was crushing zergs left and right, hopefully Byun can show me that in the finals tonight. That guy was insane and 10 times better than Byun is today. No but basically the same skill level
but how do you compare skill level from 2013 to 2016 ?
#summoningstuchiu
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I wish they would get some ASUS ROG or Nvidia commercials. I can't handle one more WoW or Overwatch commercial
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Canada8989 Posts
By the way huge prop to Blizzard for not having any technical difficulty
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