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On October 29 2016 05:24 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:23 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:21 sparklyresidue wrote:On October 29 2016 05:20 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:20 sparklyresidue wrote:
HTF did Elazer beat Solar? Awesome for him, did not expect. ZvZ happened Right, which Solar is godly at. Sometimes even god flips a coin and it lands on the wrong side. gods have coins with only heads, argument invalid
It landed on the edge.
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On October 29 2016 05:24 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:24 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:23 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:21 sparklyresidue wrote:On October 29 2016 05:20 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:20 sparklyresidue wrote:
HTF did Elazer beat Solar? Awesome for him, did not expect. ZvZ happened Right, which Solar is godly at. Sometimes even god flips a coin and it lands on the wrong side. gods have coins with only heads, argument invalid It landed on the edge.
no edges either
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On October 29 2016 05:21 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:20 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:20 sparklyresidue wrote:
HTF did Elazer beat Solar? Awesome for him, did not expect. ZvZ happened Right, which Solar is godly at.
It could have been a 2-0 even, but Elazer goofed a bit and lost his advantage in the second map. Solar noticed and went for the jugular.
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why are theese brfeaks so long
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On October 29 2016 05:24 Kerence wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:15 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:10 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:09 Fango wrote:On October 29 2016 05:07 ArtyK wrote:
On a side note, foreigners took 8 maps off koreans so far before the groups are over.
Koreans are still favorites sure, but where are the people who said foreigners wouldn't take a single map :> No one predicted them to not take a single map. Just to not get out of any group Some TL guys did on various threads some months ago it wasn't known yet that the korean scene is collapsing And? This is still 200K for the winner and you're supposedly playing against weaker players this year :p pretty sure this affects the mentality of the players. I don't think it's a coincidence that foreigners are now catching up after 18 years of complete korean dominance at the exact same time all the teams are disbanding. right they instantly got way worse after leaving the practice house I think they've been aware of the situatio since long before the teams actually disbanded, and yeah that was bound to affect their training regimen Most likely. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but TotalBiscuit commented on this when Proleague was cancelled. Show nested quote +Cynicalbrit_official wrote:
Keeping GSL running shouldn't be a problem as long as Blizzard keeps their wallet open. The problem is filling it with top talent when you have no semi-pro scene, no up-and-comers and no teamhouse infrastructure.
More than all of that however, is keeping the morale of the Korean pros up. There were already some pretty reliable reports that a bunch of KeSPA Koreans did not practice hard for KeSPA cup because they knew this was coming. Motivation and morale over there is at an all time low and has been steadily declining since the region lock announcement.
What I think a lot of people don't realize is that Korean pros really valued playing in foreign countries. Not for prize money, but to actually get out and see the world and play in front of enthusiastic crowds. It was the #1 priority of every Korean player I've ever negotiated a contract with or tried to sign, way above salary.
Imagine after all that, you get told "we don't want you anymore". Heartbreaking. Now even if there was a reversal of the region lock, most of the Korean scene is teamless and would be reliant on precious few qualifier spots to be able to afford to come to a foreign event in the first place. Foreign teams don't wanna sign them because they can't use their players in events outside of Korea and Korean events are on at horrible times for the majority of the west and get poor viewership.
Source: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loq/
I really understand why Blizzard chose to revive the foreign scene instead of the korean one but we'll only be able to tell if that was the good choice in 2 years or so
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I wonder if viOLet will announce his retirement in the chat if he gets beat bad enough here
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On October 29 2016 05:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
why are theese brfeaks so long
Just watch WESG qualifiers and these breaks go by like nothing.
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On October 29 2016 05:26 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
why are theese brfeaks so long Just watch WESG qualifiers and these breaks go by like nothing.
Or civ 6 with day9
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On October 29 2016 05:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
why are theese brfeaks so long
It's pretty bad. I had a friend over yesterday that has no interest in Starcraft or competitive esport srs bsns stuff. I got him to watch after spinning the tale of Drogo and getting him interested. He enjoyed watching the first game.
And then there was a 20 minute setup.
By minute 5 he already had his laptop out and was working.
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On October 29 2016 05:28 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
why are theese brfeaks so long It's pretty bad. I had a friend over yesterday that has no interest in Starcraft or competitive esport srs bsns stuff. I got him to watch after spinning the tale of Drogo and getting him interested. He enjoyed watching the first game. And then there was a 20 minute setup. By minute 5 he already had his laptop out and was working.
is it better in other competitive games ? I tried to watch a LoL tourney once and I got bored just because they spent like half an hour choosing their heroes
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On October 29 2016 05:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:24 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:15 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:10 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:09 Fango wrote:On October 29 2016 05:07 ArtyK wrote:
On a side note, foreigners took 8 maps off koreans so far before the groups are over.
Koreans are still favorites sure, but where are the people who said foreigners wouldn't take a single map :> No one predicted them to not take a single map. Just to not get out of any group Some TL guys did on various threads some months ago it wasn't known yet that the korean scene is collapsing And? This is still 200K for the winner and you're supposedly playing against weaker players this year :p pretty sure this affects the mentality of the players. I don't think it's a coincidence that foreigners are now catching up after 18 years of complete korean dominance at the exact same time all the teams are disbanding. right they instantly got way worse after leaving the practice house I think they've been aware of the situatio since long before the teams actually disbanded, and yeah that was bound to affect their training regimen Most likely. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but TotalBiscuit commented on this when Proleague was cancelled. Cynicalbrit_official wrote:
Keeping GSL running shouldn't be a problem as long as Blizzard keeps their wallet open. The problem is filling it with top talent when you have no semi-pro scene, no up-and-comers and no teamhouse infrastructure.
More than all of that however, is keeping the morale of the Korean pros up. There were already some pretty reliable reports that a bunch of KeSPA Koreans did not practice hard for KeSPA cup because they knew this was coming. Motivation and morale over there is at an all time low and has been steadily declining since the region lock announcement.
What I think a lot of people don't realize is that Korean pros really valued playing in foreign countries. Not for prize money, but to actually get out and see the world and play in front of enthusiastic crowds. It was the #1 priority of every Korean player I've ever negotiated a contract with or tried to sign, way above salary.
Imagine after all that, you get told "we don't want you anymore". Heartbreaking. Now even if there was a reversal of the region lock, most of the Korean scene is teamless and would be reliant on precious few qualifier spots to be able to afford to come to a foreign event in the first place. Foreign teams don't wanna sign them because they can't use their players in events outside of Korea and Korean events are on at horrible times for the majority of the west and get poor viewership.
Source: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loq/ I really understand why Blizzard chose to revive the foreign scene instead of the korean one but we'll only be able to tell if that was the good choice in 2 years or so
I mean, what else could they have done for the korean scene anyway? They pretty much already fund GSL. Sure I dislike the WCS rules, but it didn't effect what happened that much. The korean scene might have lived a little longer if they didn't region lock WCS, but I doubt much would have changed.
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On October 29 2016 05:26 Shellshock wrote:
I wonder if viOLet will announce his retirement in the chat if he gets beat bad enough here
As delicious as that seems I doubt someone will retire into a life of uncertainty after earning ten grand.
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tech issues or whatever are so bad they just doing highlights?
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"We know he can play this bad, let's see if he can do better"
Geoff is slaying me
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On October 29 2016 05:28 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
why are theese brfeaks so long It's pretty bad. I had a friend over yesterday that has no interest in Starcraft or competitive esport srs bsns stuff. I got him to watch after spinning the tale of Drogo and getting him interested. He enjoyed watching the first game. And then there was a 20 minute setup. By minute 5 he already had his laptop out and was working.
i'm interested about that drogo's tale
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On October 29 2016 05:29 Kerence wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:24 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:15 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:10 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:09 Fango wrote:
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No one predicted them to not take a single map. Just to not get out of any group Some TL guys did on various threads some months ago it wasn't known yet that the korean scene is collapsing And? This is still 200K for the winner and you're supposedly playing against weaker players this year :p pretty sure this affects the mentality of the players. I don't think it's a coincidence that foreigners are now catching up after 18 years of complete korean dominance at the exact same time all the teams are disbanding. right they instantly got way worse after leaving the practice house I think they've been aware of the situatio since long before the teams actually disbanded, and yeah that was bound to affect their training regimen Most likely. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but TotalBiscuit commented on this when Proleague was cancelled. Cynicalbrit_official wrote:
Keeping GSL running shouldn't be a problem as long as Blizzard keeps their wallet open. The problem is filling it with top talent when you have no semi-pro scene, no up-and-comers and no teamhouse infrastructure.
More than all of that however, is keeping the morale of the Korean pros up. There were already some pretty reliable reports that a bunch of KeSPA Koreans did not practice hard for KeSPA cup because they knew this was coming. Motivation and morale over there is at an all time low and has been steadily declining since the region lock announcement.
What I think a lot of people don't realize is that Korean pros really valued playing in foreign countries. Not for prize money, but to actually get out and see the world and play in front of enthusiastic crowds. It was the #1 priority of every Korean player I've ever negotiated a contract with or tried to sign, way above salary.
Imagine after all that, you get told "we don't want you anymore". Heartbreaking. Now even if there was a reversal of the region lock, most of the Korean scene is teamless and would be reliant on precious few qualifier spots to be able to afford to come to a foreign event in the first place. Foreign teams don't wanna sign them because they can't use their players in events outside of Korea and Korean events are on at horrible times for the majority of the west and get poor viewership.
Source: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loq/ I really understand why Blizzard chose to revive the foreign scene instead of the korean one but we'll only be able to tell if that was the good choice in 2 years or so I mean, what else could they have done for the korean scene anyway? They pretty much already fund GSL. Sure I dislike the WCS rules, but it didn't effect what happened that much. The korean scene might have lived a little longer if they didn't region lock WCS, but I doubt much would have changed.
that's why I think they did the smart choice. GSL had no business being the mecca of sc2 since the game isn't truly loved here.
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On October 29 2016 05:29 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:26 Shellshock wrote:
I wonder if viOLet will announce his retirement in the chat if he gets beat bad enough here As delicious as that seems I doubt someone will retire into a life of uncertainty after earning ten grand.
did he do his military service already? He's 26 soon...
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On October 29 2016 05:25 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:21 sparklyresidue wrote:On October 29 2016 05:20 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:20 sparklyresidue wrote:
HTF did Elazer beat Solar? Awesome for him, did not expect. ZvZ happened Right, which Solar is godly at. It could have been a 2-0 even, but Elazer goofed a bit and lost his advantage in the second map. Solar noticed and went for the jugular.
Damn. That's impressive. I'll have to watch the games later.
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On October 29 2016 05:29 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:28 Probe1 wrote:On October 29 2016 05:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
why are theese brfeaks so long It's pretty bad. I had a friend over yesterday that has no interest in Starcraft or competitive esport srs bsns stuff. I got him to watch after spinning the tale of Drogo and getting him interested. He enjoyed watching the first game. And then there was a 20 minute setup. By minute 5 he already had his laptop out and was working. is it better in other competitive games ? I tried to watch a LoL tourney once and I got bored just because they spent like half an hour choosing their heroes
.. yeah it's a lot worse actually. I got the same friend to watch the international just by calling him up and talking to him on the phone.
I don't know about LoL personally. But Dota, yeah, they are listening to what people in the SC2 scene are saying about accessibility.
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On October 29 2016 05:30 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:28 Probe1 wrote:On October 29 2016 05:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
why are theese brfeaks so long It's pretty bad. I had a friend over yesterday that has no interest in Starcraft or competitive esport srs bsns stuff. I got him to watch after spinning the tale of Drogo and getting him interested. He enjoyed watching the first game. And then there was a 20 minute setup. By minute 5 he already had his laptop out and was working. i'm interested about that drogo's tale
a guy with a beret and a moustache that shouldn't have been at a tournament ends up making a good run.
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