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On October 29 2016 05:35 Elentos wrote:
Stats went nexus first against a 12-pool against soO in Shoutcraft and lost 0 probes. Dear's micro man.
That's pretty godly to be fair.
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Doctor's appointment didn't take as long as I thought
Did I miss anything besides Poland shitting on Korea?
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On October 29 2016 05:36 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:35 Elentos wrote:
Stats went nexus first against a 12-pool against soO in Shoutcraft and lost 0 probes. Dear's micro man. this was dreadful And yet I'm not sure it'll be enough for viOlet.
I'm not sure either
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On October 29 2016 05:36 Fango wrote:
This series is over. Dear 100% tilted he will throw this series and then Showtime will get ro8
i can confirm what this guy just said, as an tilt expert (way better than wolf btw) dear is indeed 100% tilted
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On October 29 2016 05:37 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:36 Fango wrote:
This series is over. Dear 100% tilted he will throw this series and then Showtime will get ro8 i can confirm what this guy just said, as an tilt expert (way better than wolf btw) dear is indeed 100% tilted
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On October 29 2016 05:36 Kerence wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:31 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:29 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:24 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:15 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:
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it wasn't known yet that the korean scene is collapsing And? This is still 200K for the winner and you're supposedly playing against weaker players this year :p pretty sure this affects the mentality of the players. I don't think it's a coincidence that foreigners are now catching up after 18 years of complete korean dominance at the exact same time all the teams are disbanding. right they instantly got way worse after leaving the practice house I think they've been aware of the situatio since long before the teams actually disbanded, and yeah that was bound to affect their training regimen Most likely. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but TotalBiscuit commented on this when Proleague was cancelled. Cynicalbrit_official wrote:
Keeping GSL running shouldn't be a problem as long as Blizzard keeps their wallet open. The problem is filling it with top talent when you have no semi-pro scene, no up-and-comers and no teamhouse infrastructure.
More than all of that however, is keeping the morale of the Korean pros up. There were already some pretty reliable reports that a bunch of KeSPA Koreans did not practice hard for KeSPA cup because they knew this was coming. Motivation and morale over there is at an all time low and has been steadily declining since the region lock announcement.
What I think a lot of people don't realize is that Korean pros really valued playing in foreign countries. Not for prize money, but to actually get out and see the world and play in front of enthusiastic crowds. It was the #1 priority of every Korean player I've ever negotiated a contract with or tried to sign, way above salary.
Imagine after all that, you get told "we don't want you anymore". Heartbreaking. Now even if there was a reversal of the region lock, most of the Korean scene is teamless and would be reliant on precious few qualifier spots to be able to afford to come to a foreign event in the first place. Foreign teams don't wanna sign them because they can't use their players in events outside of Korea and Korean events are on at horrible times for the majority of the west and get poor viewership.
Source: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loq/ I really understand why Blizzard chose to revive the foreign scene instead of the korean one but we'll only be able to tell if that was the good choice in 2 years or so I mean, what else could they have done for the korean scene anyway? They pretty much already fund GSL. Sure I dislike the WCS rules, but it didn't effect what happened that much. The korean scene might have lived a little longer if they didn't region lock WCS, but I doubt much would have changed. I might have prevented a bunch of retirements. PartinG, HerO, Fantasy, Rain, Jaedong, Soulkey all retired or lost motivation because of wcs changes. Sure. TB also commented on how region lock cut of any other chance of funding for proleague teams: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/581cnr/5_kespa_teams_have_disbanded/d8woogp/And as you say some players might have stuck around longer. I'm not agreeing about the region lock anyway, I think it's stupid. But outside of that there's not much Blizzard could have done to prevent the situation in Korea.
As much as I appreciate TBs constant contributions to SC2, he does not automatically know what the fuck he's talking about simply by being TB and worse, he says this shit for attention as his income is derived from being paid attention to.
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LOL the overlord distraction
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United States97277 Posts
I take everything I said about Dear being underrated back
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HAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
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The retard magnet overlord. Been a long time :D
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On October 29 2016 05:37 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:36 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:31 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:29 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:24 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:15 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 ArtyK wrote:
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And? This is still 200K for the winner and you're supposedly playing against weaker players this year :p pretty sure this affects the mentality of the players. I don't think it's a coincidence that foreigners are now catching up after 18 years of complete korean dominance at the exact same time all the teams are disbanding. right they instantly got way worse after leaving the practice house I think they've been aware of the situatio since long before the teams actually disbanded, and yeah that was bound to affect their training regimen Most likely. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but TotalBiscuit commented on this when Proleague was cancelled. Cynicalbrit_official wrote:
Keeping GSL running shouldn't be a problem as long as Blizzard keeps their wallet open. The problem is filling it with top talent when you have no semi-pro scene, no up-and-comers and no teamhouse infrastructure.
More than all of that however, is keeping the morale of the Korean pros up. There were already some pretty reliable reports that a bunch of KeSPA Koreans did not practice hard for KeSPA cup because they knew this was coming. Motivation and morale over there is at an all time low and has been steadily declining since the region lock announcement.
What I think a lot of people don't realize is that Korean pros really valued playing in foreign countries. Not for prize money, but to actually get out and see the world and play in front of enthusiastic crowds. It was the #1 priority of every Korean player I've ever negotiated a contract with or tried to sign, way above salary.
Imagine after all that, you get told "we don't want you anymore". Heartbreaking. Now even if there was a reversal of the region lock, most of the Korean scene is teamless and would be reliant on precious few qualifier spots to be able to afford to come to a foreign event in the first place. Foreign teams don't wanna sign them because they can't use their players in events outside of Korea and Korean events are on at horrible times for the majority of the west and get poor viewership.
Source: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loq/ I really understand why Blizzard chose to revive the foreign scene instead of the korean one but we'll only be able to tell if that was the good choice in 2 years or so I mean, what else could they have done for the korean scene anyway? They pretty much already fund GSL. Sure I dislike the WCS rules, but it didn't effect what happened that much. The korean scene might have lived a little longer if they didn't region lock WCS, but I doubt much would have changed. I might have prevented a bunch of retirements. PartinG, HerO, Fantasy, Rain, Jaedong, Soulkey all retired or lost motivation because of wcs changes. Sure. TB also commented on how region lock cut of any other chance of funding for proleague teams: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/581cnr/5_kespa_teams_have_disbanded/d8woogp/And as you say some players might have stuck around longer. I'm not agreeing about the region lock anyway, I think it's stupid. But outside of that there's not much Blizzard could have done to prevent the situation in Korea. As much as I appreciate TBs constant contributions to SC2, he does not automatically know what the fuck he's talking about simply by being TB and worse, he says this shit for attention as his income is derived from being paid attention to.
He had a Korean team, he has more of a clue about the Korean scene than most people.
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Dear is just awful. I think that puts ShoWTime's victory into perspective.
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On October 29 2016 05:38 Soularion wrote:
"dear is underrated"
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someone needs to check if it's not ptitdrogo behind a mask
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On October 29 2016 05:37 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:36 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:31 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:29 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:24 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:15 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 ArtyK wrote:
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And? This is still 200K for the winner and you're supposedly playing against weaker players this year :p pretty sure this affects the mentality of the players. I don't think it's a coincidence that foreigners are now catching up after 18 years of complete korean dominance at the exact same time all the teams are disbanding. right they instantly got way worse after leaving the practice house I think they've been aware of the situatio since long before the teams actually disbanded, and yeah that was bound to affect their training regimen Most likely. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but TotalBiscuit commented on this when Proleague was cancelled. Cynicalbrit_official wrote:
Keeping GSL running shouldn't be a problem as long as Blizzard keeps their wallet open. The problem is filling it with top talent when you have no semi-pro scene, no up-and-comers and no teamhouse infrastructure.
More than all of that however, is keeping the morale of the Korean pros up. There were already some pretty reliable reports that a bunch of KeSPA Koreans did not practice hard for KeSPA cup because they knew this was coming. Motivation and morale over there is at an all time low and has been steadily declining since the region lock announcement.
What I think a lot of people don't realize is that Korean pros really valued playing in foreign countries. Not for prize money, but to actually get out and see the world and play in front of enthusiastic crowds. It was the #1 priority of every Korean player I've ever negotiated a contract with or tried to sign, way above salary.
Imagine after all that, you get told "we don't want you anymore". Heartbreaking. Now even if there was a reversal of the region lock, most of the Korean scene is teamless and would be reliant on precious few qualifier spots to be able to afford to come to a foreign event in the first place. Foreign teams don't wanna sign them because they can't use their players in events outside of Korea and Korean events are on at horrible times for the majority of the west and get poor viewership.
Source: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loq/ I really understand why Blizzard chose to revive the foreign scene instead of the korean one but we'll only be able to tell if that was the good choice in 2 years or so I mean, what else could they have done for the korean scene anyway? They pretty much already fund GSL. Sure I dislike the WCS rules, but it didn't effect what happened that much. The korean scene might have lived a little longer if they didn't region lock WCS, but I doubt much would have changed. I might have prevented a bunch of retirements. PartinG, HerO, Fantasy, Rain, Jaedong, Soulkey all retired or lost motivation because of wcs changes. Sure. TB also commented on how region lock cut of any other chance of funding for proleague teams: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/581cnr/5_kespa_teams_have_disbanded/d8woogp/And as you say some players might have stuck around longer. I'm not agreeing about the region lock anyway, I think it's stupid. But outside of that there's not much Blizzard could have done to prevent the situation in Korea. As much as I appreciate TBs constant contributions to SC2, he does not automatically know what the fuck he's talking about simply by being TB and worse, he says this shit for attention as his income is derived from being paid attention to.
I don't think he's digging for attention
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On October 29 2016 05:37 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:36 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:31 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:29 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:24 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:15 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:12 ArtyK wrote:
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And? This is still 200K for the winner and you're supposedly playing against weaker players this year :p pretty sure this affects the mentality of the players. I don't think it's a coincidence that foreigners are now catching up after 18 years of complete korean dominance at the exact same time all the teams are disbanding. right they instantly got way worse after leaving the practice house I think they've been aware of the situatio since long before the teams actually disbanded, and yeah that was bound to affect their training regimen Most likely. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but TotalBiscuit commented on this when Proleague was cancelled. Cynicalbrit_official wrote:
Keeping GSL running shouldn't be a problem as long as Blizzard keeps their wallet open. The problem is filling it with top talent when you have no semi-pro scene, no up-and-comers and no teamhouse infrastructure.
More than all of that however, is keeping the morale of the Korean pros up. There were already some pretty reliable reports that a bunch of KeSPA Koreans did not practice hard for KeSPA cup because they knew this was coming. Motivation and morale over there is at an all time low and has been steadily declining since the region lock announcement.
What I think a lot of people don't realize is that Korean pros really valued playing in foreign countries. Not for prize money, but to actually get out and see the world and play in front of enthusiastic crowds. It was the #1 priority of every Korean player I've ever negotiated a contract with or tried to sign, way above salary.
Imagine after all that, you get told "we don't want you anymore". Heartbreaking. Now even if there was a reversal of the region lock, most of the Korean scene is teamless and would be reliant on precious few qualifier spots to be able to afford to come to a foreign event in the first place. Foreign teams don't wanna sign them because they can't use their players in events outside of Korea and Korean events are on at horrible times for the majority of the west and get poor viewership.
Source: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loq/ I really understand why Blizzard chose to revive the foreign scene instead of the korean one but we'll only be able to tell if that was the good choice in 2 years or so I mean, what else could they have done for the korean scene anyway? They pretty much already fund GSL. Sure I dislike the WCS rules, but it didn't effect what happened that much. The korean scene might have lived a little longer if they didn't region lock WCS, but I doubt much would have changed. I might have prevented a bunch of retirements. PartinG, HerO, Fantasy, Rain, Jaedong, Soulkey all retired or lost motivation because of wcs changes. Sure. TB also commented on how region lock cut of any other chance of funding for proleague teams: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/581cnr/5_kespa_teams_have_disbanded/d8woogp/And as you say some players might have stuck around longer. I'm not agreeing about the region lock anyway, I think it's stupid. But outside of that there's not much Blizzard could have done to prevent the situation in Korea. As much as I appreciate TBs constant contributions to SC2, he does not automatically know what the fuck he's talking about simply by being TB and worse, he says this shit for attention as his income is derived from being paid attention to.
Sure, but he still knows more than most. And he's not actually saying that region lock killed proleague you know?
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And he doesn't actually "say shit for attention" as his career is built on being trustworthy. Making shit up is actually not helping his income at all. Not to mention StarCraft is a passion project for him and he actually lost huge amounts of money on it. The fact that he's pretty much the only person among the casters I've seen repeatedly speak out against the WCS changes (even after his team disbanded) actually makes his input more interesting imo. No one else is giving insight into the scene from the same viewpoint as him.
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United States97277 Posts
this sort of multi pronged harass that is kind of delayed!
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