EPT[KeSPA Cup] 2016 Global Qualifier - Page 22
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2217 Posts
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
On September 13 2016 20:26 Elentos wrote: Why is this the deciding quality of a Zerg player being bad? And does this mean that good Zerg players don't exist period? Some foreign zergs players were doing well in ZvT, as they should do because the match-up favors them. So good zerg players exist indeed  .It's not the deciding quality, I should rephrase: they are not as better compared to the top foreign zergs than korean terrans are better than the average top foreign terrans. As for protosses I suspect Neeb is capable of doing as well as the koreans star protosses. That's what I call "bad", of course they are very good, but compared to how good prime DRG was in ZvT (I don't remember who was super good in ZvP among koreans zergs) for example, Dark and the likes are bad. It's the same bad as how HopeTorture/ITR was bad in the first GSL: terrans were supposed to do well in TvZ, he was the best terran from that tournament, but he couldn't even win and time showed that he was indeed bad because much better terrans came after him. | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On September 13 2016 21:32 Poopi wrote: as they should do because the match-up favors them. We already have to agree to disagree after the first sentence I'm afraid. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
I thought everyone allins in qualifiers, Dark should have expected it after just losing SSL to the most basic of cheeses. He's the better Zerg, a single drone scout isn't gonna lose him a macro game but its the only way to prevent losing to cheese. Unless he pulls all his workers and maybe holds a hatch first. I really don't understand how Zergs can justify not drone scouting at least on large maps. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On September 13 2016 21:32 Poopi wrote: Some foreign zergs players were doing well in ZvT, as they should do because the match-up favors them. So good zerg players exist indeed .It's not the deciding quality, I should rephrase: they are not as better compared to the top foreign zergs than korean terrans are better than the average top foreign terrans. As for protosses I suspect Neeb is capable of doing as well as the koreans star protosses. That's what I call "bad", of course they are very good, but compared to how good prime DRG was in ZvT (I don't remember who was super good in ZvP among koreans zergs) for example, Dark and the likes are bad. It's the same bad as how HopeTorture/ITR was bad in the first GSL: terrans were supposed to do well in TvZ, he was the best terran from that tournament, but he couldn't even win and time showed that he was indeed bad because much better terrans came after him. Foreign Zergs are doing well in ZvT versus Terran's who aren't as good as the Koreans. This has been a fact since the beginning of SC2, Korean Terran's are a whole other beast then 99% of the foreign Terrans. So if you are really judging balance by foreign level of zvt, well then you should never discuss balance because you don't know what you are talking about. ZvT is not Zerg favored, if you would watch you would know this. I am also not stating it is Terran favored just as an FYI. A month ago or so I would say it was pretty Terran favored, but it seems to be evening out now. | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:13 blade55555 wrote: Foreign Zergs are doing well in ZvT versus Terran's who aren't as good as the Koreans. This has been a fact since the beginning of SC2, Korean Terran's are a whole other beast then 99% of the foreign Terrans. So if you are really judging balance by foreign level of zvt, well then you should never discuss balance because you don't know what you are talking about. ZvT is not Zerg favored, if you would watch you would know this. I am also not stating it is Terran favored just as an FYI. A month ago or so I would say it was pretty Terran favored, but it seems to be evening out now. Yet foreign zergs are supposedly not as good as korean ones either, thus if they are doing well vs foreign terrans without it being because of balance, it means it's an easier race at european level :o. I'm not judging balance so I'm even less judging balance by foreign zvt. I do watch and even the best korean terrans struggle vs medium to top zergs, depending on the map. What matches are you referring to that are a month old that make TvZ T favored for you? And why do you think it's evening out now? | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
Anyone else think it's weird that this qualifier isn't region locked at all, and yet there are EU and NA qualifiers that are region locked? And that no foreigners even tried this qualifier? Unless there's some rule that you can only participate in one qualifier? If I were a foreigner I would've rolled the dice in this one with no pressure to do well and then participated in my region locked one too. Also the NA one includes China, SEA, Taiwan, Oceania, and all of NA. EU includes... EU Also it's sad that there were 41 "notable" Korean signups on the liquipedia page... just goes to show how oversaturated the Korean scene is right now | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On September 14 2016 00:07 Darkhorse wrote: Not a terrible lineup but there are definitely some disappointments here lol. Pet beating Dark is meh Dark is already at Blizzcon and every now and then you're gonna drop some random ZvZs. aLive losing to TY is expected but sad as we're not gonna see him in forever. Patience knocking sOs and Inno out is interesting I guess. Feel bad for Super and Losira. Anyone else think it's weird that this qualifier isn't region locked at all, and yet there are EU and NA qualifiers that are region locked? And that no foreigners even tried this qualifier? Unless there's some rule that you can only participate in one qualifier? If I were a foreigner I would've rolled the dice in this one with no pressure to do well and then participated in my region locked one too. Also the NA one includes China, SEA, Taiwan, Oceania, and all of NA. EU includes... EU Also it's sad that there were 41 "notable" Korean signups on the liquipedia page... just goes to show how oversaturated the Korean scene is right now Harstem and TLO cited ping as the main reason, basically they said the ping is so bad there was not point in trying. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On September 14 2016 00:11 Silvana wrote: Harstem and TLO cited ping as the main reason, basically they said the ping is so bad there was not point in trying. Makes sense I guess. I still probably would've tried to cheese the shit out of people. No pressure to do well and hey maybe you get lucky and qualify lol. Can't fault them though there was like a 0.00000003% chance that would work. Still think it's odd that the global qualifier isn't region locked but there are region locked NA/EU qualifiers. And NA includes all of Asia less Korea lol | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17727 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17727 Posts
On September 14 2016 00:11 Silvana wrote: Harstem and TLO cited ping as the main reason, basically they said the ping is so bad there was not point in trying. and yet koreans play in qualifiers on the EU/NA servers (at least the ones they're allowed to play in) | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On September 14 2016 00:59 Die4Ever wrote: single elim brackets with no second chances? what kind of qualifier is this? lol A pretty standard online qualifier? | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On September 14 2016 00:11 Silvana wrote: Harstem and TLO cited ping as the main reason, basically they said the ping is so bad there was not point in trying. Not to mention for any NA players the qualifier started between midnight and 3AM depending on the time zone, that's brutal | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37067 Posts
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