Such passion :O I'd love for both SKT players to advance, but I don't really believe in them. Dark has been looking worse and worse while TY is still a god, and Classic hasn't impressed me at all in his SSL group.
Haha i was about to create this in LR Resources then figured id be posting it anyway so i might as well just post it now xD should be easy day for me to do whilst balancing work.
Dark actually has to practice for two tournaments back to back so I think he may have to sacrifice either GSL or SSL. Don't think he will be able to cope with both at the same time.
On August 11 2016 00:46 spir00 wrote: Dark actually has to practice for two tournaments back to back so I think he may have to sacrifice either GSL or SSL. Don't think he will be able to cope with both at the same time.
He's further in this one, more reasonable to sacrifice GSL tbh. But he might not have to sacrifice either, as he can advance from his GSL group with just ZvT, the matchup he practices for SSL as well.
On August 11 2016 00:46 spir00 wrote: Dark actually has to practice for two tournaments back to back so I think he may have to sacrifice either GSL or SSL. Don't think he will be able to cope with both at the same time.
He's further in this one, more reasonable to sacrifice GSL tbh. But he might not have to sacrifice either, as he can advance from his GSL group with just ZvT, the matchup he practices for SSL as well.
Same as last season. Dark chose SSL semis over GSL RO16. And I remember him saying in some interview afterwards how it was tough preparing for two tournaments back-to-back and that he was focusing on SSL. Of course, it was different matchups back then. Still, it may be tough preparing against different opponents with different play styles, even of the same race.
On August 11 2016 00:34 Pandemona wrote: Haha i was about to create this in LR Resources then figured id be posting it anyway so i might as well just post it now xD should be easy day for me to do whilst balancing work.
finally finished my lab work and wanted to do this thread only to see it was made already. Sorry for not showing up for 3 weeks now, working in the lab from 9 to 6 every day didn't leave much free time to follow SC2 at all It's crazy to me that you can do all those ops while being at work, I could never do that
On August 11 2016 00:34 Pandemona wrote: Haha i was about to create this in LR Resources then figured id be posting it anyway so i might as well just post it now xD should be easy day for me to do whilst balancing work.
finally finished my lab work and wanted to do this thread only to see it was made already. Sorry for not showing up for 3 weeks now, working in the lab from 9 to 6 every day didn't leave much free time to follow SC2 at all It's crazy to me that you can do all those ops while being at work, I could never do that
Haha i shouldn't be able too but i do because no one else can. I enjoy doing LRs, its fun but i just put my work off and work through lunch to catch up or overtime xD its fine
On August 11 2016 18:22 Aeromi wrote: I really do not like Rapid style, looks like he's doing way too much to create some hype
Happy birthday :D So many birthdays today, Tasteless, you, 2 people in my family as well
People fuck a lot on November 11 :D
Haha, congrats man. You probably wrecked me on ladder the other day
Really? When did we play?
3-4 days ago on KSS, ZvP
Oh, it was not me then! O'Gaming did a 172 hours marathon last week and I gave my account so people could play their races/random as I don't really care anymore on being master
On August 11 2016 18:22 Aeromi wrote: I really do not like Rapid style, looks like he's doing way too much to create some hype
Happy birthday :D So many birthdays today, Tasteless, you, 2 people in my family as well
People fuck a lot on November 11 :D
Haha, congrats man. You probably wrecked me on ladder the other day
Really? When did we play?
3-4 days ago on KSS, ZvP
Oh, it was not me then! O'Gaming did a 172 hours marathon last week and I gave my account so people could play their races/random as I don't really care anymore on being master
On August 11 2016 18:30 Isualin wrote: I hate the phrase "let them get to that stage" "That stage" of the game for ultras with chitinous upgrade is basically 15-17 minutes into game
On August 11 2016 18:30 Isualin wrote: I hate the phrase "let them get to that stage" "That stage" of the game for ultras with chitinous upgrade is basically 15-17 minutes into game
this map is so annoying for TvZ. So difficult to kill a zerg before ultralisks. Seems like TY decided to not even try that and go for split-map ghost-liberator
TY you moron, all you had to do was send 1 of your ravens to your main and have it patrol around the base while making the turret walls as well as leave a little bit of ground bio. That would have stopped Dark constantly remaking Nyduses there.
Problem with KT players is they lack creativity to deal these situations. Flash had it, Zest has it, and TY is also showing it.
On August 11 2016 18:53 Heartland wrote: this entire lategame has looked unfair
Shhhh, we're not allowed to call out imbalance!
Woooow, what an amazing game, Dark played sooooo well, r-right guys? The way he...turtled? No, 'transitioned', yes, the way he transitioned to the late game and how he threw away those ultras? No, how he 'harassed' with those Ultras, amazing play! TY couldn't do anything against those Brood Lords and Vipers, what amazing parasitc bombs from Dark!
On August 11 2016 18:57 FritzPfotl_ wrote: I don't really understand what TY was hoping to achieve with all those ravens. Looks like the nydus really messed up his late game plan.
Yeah, the nydus crippled his production so he floated a ton of minerals and a lot of gas but couldn't build anything. Maybe he should have built barracks instead of engineering bays to block off that pathway ; )
On August 11 2016 18:53 Heartland wrote: this entire lategame has looked unfair
Shhhh, we're not allowed to call out imbalance!
Woooow, what an amazing game, Dark played sooooo well, r-right guys? The way he...turtled? No, 'transitioned', yes, the way he transitioned to the late game and how he threw away those ultras? No, how he 'harassed' with those Ultras, amazing play! TY couldn't do anything against those Brood Lords and Vipers, what amazing parasitc bombs from Dark!
Eh, I don't think it's necessarily imba so you don't have to piggyback your balance whine on me.
On August 11 2016 18:54 sashkata wrote: No seeker missiles? what happened?
Probably didn't have enough energy.
I'd be surprised, most of them were build a long time before the fight no?
He probably just gave up at that point tbh. He probably made the ravens for PDD & detection but all his vikings died and a few seeker missiles wouldn't save him the game at that point.
TY is playing so badly. These strategies are making very little sense to me at least. I think there's a reason that some Terrans are doing the 2/1/1 fast stim timing with two medivacs essentially every single TvZ...it's that good of a build. It puts on heavy pressure and gives a tempo advantage which Terran needs going into the mid-game or else the Zerg expands at a crazy rate like Dark does and you just get overran pretty easily.
On August 11 2016 18:53 Heartland wrote: this entire lategame has looked unfair
Shhhh, we're not allowed to call out imbalance!
Woooow, what an amazing game, Dark played sooooo well, r-right guys? The way he...turtled? No, 'transitioned', yes, the way he transitioned to the late game and how he threw away those ultras? No, how he 'harassed' with those Ultras, amazing play! TY couldn't do anything against those Brood Lords and Vipers, what amazing parasitc bombs from Dark!
On August 11 2016 18:57 FritzPfotl_ wrote: I don't really understand what TY was hoping to achieve with all those ravens. Looks like the nydus really messed up his late game plan.
Yeah, the nydus crippled his production so he floated a ton of minerals and a lot of gas but couldn't build anything. Maybe he should have built barracks instead of engineering bays to block off that pathway ; )
There's no point in making enough marines to keep your minerals low though.
On August 11 2016 18:53 Heartland wrote: this entire lategame has looked unfair
Shhhh, we're not allowed to call out imbalance!
Woooow, what an amazing game, Dark played sooooo well, r-right guys? The way he...turtled? No, 'transitioned', yes, the way he transitioned to the late game and how he threw away those ultras? No, how he 'harassed' with those Ultras, amazing play! TY couldn't do anything against those Brood Lords and Vipers, what amazing parasitc bombs from Dark!
Eh, I don't think it's necessarily imba so you don't have to piggyback your balance whine on me.
Alright then, can anyone tell me how terran is supossed to deal with Brood/Viper/Corruptor?
On August 11 2016 18:53 Heartland wrote: this entire lategame has looked unfair
Shhhh, we're not allowed to call out imbalance!
Woooow, what an amazing game, Dark played sooooo well, r-right guys? The way he...turtled? No, 'transitioned', yes, the way he transitioned to the late game and how he threw away those ultras? No, how he 'harassed' with those Ultras, amazing play! TY couldn't do anything against those Brood Lords and Vipers, what amazing parasitc bombs from Dark!
Eh, I don't think it's necessarily imba so you don't have to piggyback your balance whine on me.
Alright then, can anyone tell me how terran is supossed to deal with Brood/Viper/Corruptor?
Easy, dont let the zerg get into late game on equal footing. As infuriating that may look or feel -__-
On August 11 2016 18:53 Heartland wrote: this entire lategame has looked unfair
Shhhh, we're not allowed to call out imbalance!
Woooow, what an amazing game, Dark played sooooo well, r-right guys? The way he...turtled? No, 'transitioned', yes, the way he transitioned to the late game and how he threw away those ultras? No, how he 'harassed' with those Ultras, amazing play! TY couldn't do anything against those Brood Lords and Vipers, what amazing parasitc bombs from Dark!
Eh, I don't think it's necessarily imba so you don't have to piggyback your balance whine on me.
Alright then, can anyone tell me how terran is supossed to deal with Brood/Viper/Corruptor?
Use your broken midgame advantage and kill the zerg before he reaches that composition
Shitty design but that's how blizzard has balanced this matchup
On August 11 2016 18:53 Heartland wrote: this entire lategame has looked unfair
Shhhh, we're not allowed to call out imbalance!
Woooow, what an amazing game, Dark played sooooo well, r-right guys? The way he...turtled? No, 'transitioned', yes, the way he transitioned to the late game and how he threw away those ultras? No, how he 'harassed' with those Ultras, amazing play! TY couldn't do anything against those Brood Lords and Vipers, what amazing parasitc bombs from Dark!
Eh, I don't think it's necessarily imba so you don't have to piggyback your balance whine on me.
Alright then, can anyone tell me how terran is supossed to deal with Brood/Viper/Corruptor?
Short answer, you don't unless you literally have 50 starports and barracks with an economy 10 times the zerg. Then maybe you can outproduce them and send waves of units to whittle them down to eventually win. But in normal situations, outside of a zerg completely throwing a game, Terran has no chance.
On August 11 2016 18:53 Heartland wrote: this entire lategame has looked unfair
Shhhh, we're not allowed to call out imbalance!
Woooow, what an amazing game, Dark played sooooo well, r-right guys? The way he...turtled? No, 'transitioned', yes, the way he transitioned to the late game and how he threw away those ultras? No, how he 'harassed' with those Ultras, amazing play! TY couldn't do anything against those Brood Lords and Vipers, what amazing parasitc bombs from Dark!
Eh, I don't think it's necessarily imba so you don't have to piggyback your balance whine on me.
Alright then, can anyone tell me how terran is supossed to deal with Brood/Viper/Corruptor?
Use your broken midgame advantage and kill the zerg before he reaches that composition
Shitty design but that's how blizzard has balanced this matchup
Incidentally it's the same with late game TvP but you don't have a ridiculous advantage in the midgame.
On August 11 2016 19:01 Kovzirg wrote: TY is playing so badly. These strategies are making very little sense to me at least. I think there's a reason that some Terrans are doing the 2/1/1 fast stim timing with two medivacs essentially every single TvZ...it's that good of a build. It puts on heavy pressure and gives a tempo advantage which Terran needs going into the mid-game or else the Zerg expands at a crazy rate like Dark does and you just get overran pretty easily.
TvZ mostly revolves around the 4th of the Zerg. Seeing that the 4th is so far away from the Terran compared to other maps I think it makes at least some sense to go straight for the late game on New Gettysburg.
On August 11 2016 18:53 Heartland wrote: this entire lategame has looked unfair
Shhhh, we're not allowed to call out imbalance!
Woooow, what an amazing game, Dark played sooooo well, r-right guys? The way he...turtled? No, 'transitioned', yes, the way he transitioned to the late game and how he threw away those ultras? No, how he 'harassed' with those Ultras, amazing play! TY couldn't do anything against those Brood Lords and Vipers, what amazing parasitc bombs from Dark!
Eh, I don't think it's necessarily imba so you don't have to piggyback your balance whine on me.
Alright then, can anyone tell me how terran is supossed to deal with Brood/Viper/Corruptor?
Terran's late game has always sucked. You do it the same way you have always done it...by abusing Terran's mid-game strength.
KT needs a mad genius like sOs to be a coach to teach their player some strategies. I didn't have much confidence with TY coming into today's match (expecting Dark to go 3-1), honestly I hope at least Stats can pull off a win against Classic. It's been a depressing several days as a KT fan as of late, they need a win just to count as a morale boost.
Looks like TY finally can get a win at least. Basically his drops and harass crippled Dark's economy enough to the point he couldn't get the cheeselord, corruptor, viper scumbag comp.
On August 11 2016 19:22 Heartland wrote: but... but... I thought Terran autolost in the late game?
It helps a lot that the zerg's strategy was 1) Choose a composition 2) See that said composition isn't working against the current composition of the opponent 3) Repeat without changing composition
Zerg really needs queen range unless you guys agree that harrassment is cool shit like DKIM. Late game of zerg just needs to torn down like -1 armor for ultralisk and remove invincible nydus. From design perspective,queen's buff is on of the best move for this game to reduce power of harrassment.
On August 11 2016 19:31 seemsgood wrote: Zerg really needs queen range unless you guys agree that harrassment is cool shit like DKIM. Late game of zerg just needs to torn down like -1 armor for ultralisk and remove invincible nydus. From design perspective,queen's buff is on of the best move for this game to reduce power of harrassment.
On August 11 2016 19:31 seemsgood wrote: Zerg really needs queen range unless you guys agree that harrassment is cool shit like DKIM. Late game of zerg just needs to torn down like -1 armor for ultralisk and remove invincible nydus. From design perspective,queen's buff is on of the best move for this game to reduce power of harrassment.
From design perspective you should nerf liberators so mutas can actually be used and allow zergs some form of midgame harassment
Then you nerf zerg's lategame and revert the queen range buff
On August 11 2016 19:31 seemsgood wrote: Zerg really needs queen range unless you guys agree that harrassment is cool shit like DKIM. Late game of zerg just needs to torn down like -1 armor for ultralisk and remove invincible nydus. From design perspective,queen's buff is on of the best move for this game to reduce power of harrassment.
On August 11 2016 19:31 seemsgood wrote: Zerg really needs queen range unless you guys agree that harrassment is cool shit like DKIM. Late game of zerg just needs to torn down like -1 armor for ultralisk and remove invincible nydus. From design perspective,queen's buff is on of the best move for this game to reduce power of harrassment.
From design perspective you should nerf liberators so mutas can actually be used and allow zergs some form of midgame harassment
Then you nerf zerg's lategame and revert the queen range buff
Mutas right now can be use as timing harrassment or go full leenock.Its zerg player's choice.
On August 11 2016 19:31 seemsgood wrote: Zerg really needs queen range unless you guys agree that harrassment is cool shit like DKIM. Late game of zerg just needs to torn down like -1 armor for ultralisk and remove invincible nydus. From design perspective,queen's buff is on of the best move for this game to reduce power of harrassment.
On August 11 2016 19:31 seemsgood wrote: Zerg really needs queen range unless you guys agree that harrassment is cool shit like DKIM. Late game of zerg just needs to torn down like -1 armor for ultralisk and remove invincible nydus. From design perspective,queen's buff is on of the best move for this game to reduce power of harrassment.
From design perspective you should nerf liberators so mutas can actually be used and allow zergs some form of midgame harassment
Then you nerf zerg's lategame and revert the queen range buff
Mutas right now can be use as timing harrassment or go full leenock.Its zerg player's choice.
On August 11 2016 19:31 seemsgood wrote: Zerg really needs queen range unless you guys agree that harrassment is cool shit like DKIM. Late game of zerg just needs to torn down like -1 armor for ultralisk and remove invincible nydus. From design perspective,queen's buff is on of the best move for this game to reduce power of harrassment.
Why would we want less harassment?
Seriously ??? wrong forum i guess.
On August 11 2016 19:32 IMPrime wrote:
On August 11 2016 19:31 seemsgood wrote: Zerg really needs queen range unless you guys agree that harrassment is cool shit like DKIM. Late game of zerg just needs to torn down like -1 armor for ultralisk and remove invincible nydus. From design perspective,queen's buff is on of the best move for this game to reduce power of harrassment.
From design perspective you should nerf liberators so mutas can actually be used and allow zergs some form of midgame harassment
Then you nerf zerg's lategame and revert the queen range buff
Mutas right now can be use as timing harrassment or go full leenock.Its zerg player's choice.
I was just asking a question...
this is SC2 General now, you can't like this game (and also everybody has a game design degree)
I really don't like fighting Queens they have so much power for being a unit which was designed to not really fight. They have a fuckton of HP, good armor type and creeps spreads so incredibly fast with so many. Don't think Zerg op though, just don't like that design.
On August 11 2016 19:44 CruelZeratul wrote: I really don't like fighting Queens they have so much power for being a unit which was designed to not really fight. They have a fuckton of HP, good armor type and creeps spreads so incredibly fast with so many. Don't think Zerg op though, just don't like that design.
I kinda agree. I have the same problem with the adept. It's tanky, has a great ability, and of course deals a lot of damage.
Was pretty impressive how TY turned this into an actual game after it started to look like Dark couldn't lose from the spot he was in (killed 4th, no mining at 3rd) but that's about it.
Well, no Terrans left in SSL, now it's just like season 1.
On August 11 2016 19:45 Phredxor wrote: Tune in to see TY lose. Nice.
Fall of KT i guess.stats next.
Yep, expecting Classic to 3-2 Stats
Yeah, KT falling to pieces just in time for PL finals. Makes sense.
Best (or worst) part is if KT even manages to defeat either SKT or Afreeca, Jin Air still got their number.
It would not be in all-kill format though, so that's pretty nice for KT
That's true, Jin Air has made KT their bitch in AK format. The standard format, it gives KT a decent chance on a head to head, still expect JA to win that though
On August 11 2016 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Wow dark won? Tvz seems pretty balanced now with the queen buff. Did dark play ling bane muta, roach ravager or his ravager bane corruptor style?
On August 11 2016 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Wow dark won? Tvz seems pretty balanced now with the queen buff. Did dark play ling bane muta, roach ravager or his ravager bane corruptor style?
On August 11 2016 19:45 Phredxor wrote: Tune in to see TY lose. Nice.
Fall of KT i guess.stats next.
Yep, expecting Classic to 3-2 Stats
Yeah, KT falling to pieces just in time for PL finals. Makes sense.
Best (or worst) part is if KT even manages to defeat either SKT or Afreeca, Jin Air still got their number.
It would not be in all-kill format though, so that's pretty nice for KT
That's true, Jin Air has made KT their bitch in AK format. The standard format, it gives KT a decent chance on a head to head, still expect JA to win that though
On August 11 2016 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Wow dark won? Tvz seems pretty balanced now with the queen buff. Did dark play ling bane muta, roach ravager or his ravager bane corruptor style?
lol mutas
They're pretty common in korea now. I think solar went mutas almost every game in his bo9 vs byun.
On August 11 2016 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Wow dark won? Tvz seems pretty balanced now with the queen buff. Did dark play ling bane muta, roach ravager or his ravager bane corruptor style?
lol mutas
They're pretty common in korea now. I think solar went mutas almost every game in his bo9 vs byun.
I'm pretty sure Solar and Leenock are the only Zergs who make mutas regularly
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
On August 11 2016 19:45 Phredxor wrote: Tune in to see TY lose. Nice.
Fall of KT i guess.stats next.
Yep, expecting Classic to 3-2 Stats
Yeah, KT falling to pieces just in time for PL finals. Makes sense.
Best (or worst) part is if KT even manages to defeat either SKT or Afreeca, Jin Air still got their number.
It would not be in all-kill format though, so that's pretty nice for KT
That's true, Jin Air has made KT their bitch in AK format. The standard format, it gives KT a decent chance on a head to head, still expect JA to win that though
At the moment I wouldn't even favor us over SKT.
If Stats get bopped 3-0. Then I have no confidence in KT unless they get a revolution during practice for the SPL matches later this month.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
the flair checks out
Yeah flair/comment match is 100%. I guess that's something?
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
the flair checks out
It's strange. I'm sure Jin Air fans used to be like regular people.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
On August 11 2016 19:45 Phredxor wrote: Tune in to see TY lose. Nice.
Fall of KT i guess.stats next.
Yep, expecting Classic to 3-2 Stats
Yeah, KT falling to pieces just in time for PL finals. Makes sense.
Best (or worst) part is if KT even manages to defeat either SKT or Afreeca, Jin Air still got their number.
It would not be in all-kill format though, so that's pretty nice for KT
That's true, Jin Air has made KT their bitch in AK format. The standard format, it gives KT a decent chance on a head to head, still expect JA to win that though
At the moment I wouldn't even favor us over SKT.
If Stats get bopped 3-0. Then I have no confidence in KT unless they get a revolution during practice for the SPL matches later this month.
If Stats loses today we're in deep shit. Probably even against Afreeca.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
Maru is losing to zest more often than not. Zest lost to ryung and TaeJa. Ryung = Best Terran 2016.
On August 11 2016 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Wow dark won? Tvz seems pretty balanced now with the queen buff. Did dark play ling bane muta, roach ravager or his ravager bane corruptor style?
On August 11 2016 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Wow dark won? Tvz seems pretty balanced now with the queen buff. Did dark play ling bane muta, roach ravager or his ravager bane corruptor style?
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
the flair checks out
It's strange. I'm sure Jin Air fans used to be like regular people.
Some of us still are. Maru love is a weird...thing...
On August 11 2016 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Wow dark won? Tvz seems pretty balanced now with the queen buff. Did dark play ling bane muta, roach ravager or his ravager bane corruptor style?
Queen style.
And which other units did he make?
Mostly ling/bane, on Dusk Towers he started with roach/ravager/infestor though because he had to cancel his nydus all-in that got scouted.
On August 11 2016 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Wow dark won? Tvz seems pretty balanced now with the queen buff. Did dark play ling bane muta, roach ravager or his ravager bane corruptor style?
lol mutas
They're pretty common in korea now. I think solar went mutas almost every game in his bo9 vs byun.
I'm pretty sure Solar and Leenock are the only Zergs who make mutas regularly
going muta is a perfectly fine thing to do, but it's a limited investment in lotv, unlike hots where you could make your end goal to just have 35 mutas and basetrade. the difference is that muta in zvt can be hardcountered now whereas before you could keep making them and get by on skill. also mineral starvation in the faster economy makes it harder to rush 8 gas muta tech anyway
On August 11 2016 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: Wow dark won? Tvz seems pretty balanced now with the queen buff. Did dark play ling bane muta, roach ravager or his ravager bane corruptor style?
lol mutas
They're pretty common in korea now. I think solar went mutas almost every game in his bo9 vs byun.
I'm pretty sure Solar and Leenock are the only Zergs who make mutas regularly
going muta is a perfectly fine thing to do, but it's a limited investment in lotv, unlike hots where you could make your end goal to just have 35 mutas and basetrade. the difference is that muta in zvt can be hardcountered now whereas before you could keep making them and get by on skill
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
the flair checks out
It's strange. I'm sure Jin Air fans used to be like regular people.
Some of us still are. Maru love is a weird...thing...
Your love of DRG and San must keep you sane or something.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
The one thing I never understand about KT is how all the boys start slumping together. Not taking anything away from JinAir or Dark who are both monsters but all of the KT boys have been playing way beneath themselves.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
On August 11 2016 20:04 dazed25 wrote: The one thing I never understand about KT is how all the boys start slumping together. Not taking anything away from JinAir or Dark who are both monsters but all of the KT boys have been playing way beneath themselves.
On August 11 2016 20:04 dazed25 wrote: The one thing I never understand about KT is how all the boys start slumping together. Not taking anything away from JinAir or Dark who are both monsters but all of the KT boys have been playing way beneath themselves.
On August 11 2016 20:04 dazed25 wrote: The one thing I never understand about KT is how all the boys start slumping together. Not taking anything away from JinAir or Dark who are both monsters but all of the KT boys have been playing way beneath themselves.
Usually one guy avoids the slump and carries the team to safety though. Last year it was Stats. This year it's not happening atm.
Also would be nice if those interviews had, I don't know, English subtitles.
On August 11 2016 20:04 dazed25 wrote: The one thing I never understand about KT is how all the boys start slumping together. Not taking anything away from JinAir or Dark who are both monsters but all of the KT boys have been playing way beneath themselves.
On August 11 2016 20:04 dazed25 wrote: The one thing I never understand about KT is how all the boys start slumping together. Not taking anything away from JinAir or Dark who are both monsters but all of the KT boys have been playing way beneath themselves.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
the flair checks out
It's strange. I'm sure Jin Air fans used to be like regular people.
Some of us still are. Maru love is a weird...thing...
Your love of DRG and San must keep you sane or something.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
I agree, although... Zest. And skill wise he is still way better then TY which is kinda obvious if you see them play, even head to head. he was just unlucky getting the toughest opponents/groups possible.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
I agree, although... Zest. And skill wise he is still way better then TY which is kinda obvious if you see them play, even head to head. he was just unlucky getting the toughest opponents/groups possible.
I watch those few games they play against each other and I'm in awe that both of them are at such a high level. They're never one-sided, I don't know which ones you are watching.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
who is then the best terran?
Obviously Ryung.
It's uThermal.
Multiple tournament winner and pro player DeMuslim is it
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
who is then the best terran?
Obviously Ryung.
It's uThermal.
It's going to be TaeJa one last time because he eliminated the reigning GSL champion from his retirement home (a PC cafe where he plays Overwatch with Ryung)
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
who is then the best terran?
I would say skill wise = Maru Overall taking results into consiredation = TY (although I really dont like his showings against good players, there is no denying he achieved the most in LOTV so far, lucky draws or not)
On August 11 2016 20:11 Knatterking wrote: How does this new map choosing system work and does it even make sense?
Both players make a priority list of all maps. They are matched up against each other to see which ones are played. The highest priority map overall between both players is played first, etc.
On August 11 2016 19:50 MarianoSC2 wrote: As expected, TY is good but he just cant compare with the big guns, always losing to top tier players.
He'll probably be the only KeSPA Terran at Blizzcon though.
I hope not... he does not deserve to be considered the best terran. He made GSL finals only because he had the easiest oponents. He is just pure mediocre against the best players and its showing time and time again. Maru will make it
He made to the GSL finals because his TvT is godlike, and his other matchups are good enough to make it through group stages
TvT is his best matchup until he meets a top tier Terran. Maru shrecks him all the time, Inno is struggling at LOTV but he would have trouble against him for sure. He loses constantly to sOs, zest, he is no match for dark, hi proleague record is very bad. I really cant consider a player who has such mediocre results against the best players a top tier player, he beat Dream and Cure to get to GSL finals... that says it all, lol.
And Maru is not doing well enough outside of Proleague to be called the best Terran.
who is then the best terran?
Obviously Ryung.
It's uThermal.
It's going to be TaeJa one last time because he eliminated the reigning GSL champion from his retirement home (a PC cafe where he plays Overwatch with Ryung)
Except by then it'll be TaeJa's dream to play with Ryung
Stats uses FFs, Immortals from Classic blocked off. Classic has an Archon, fails to break FFs. Then finally moves said Archon which breaks his FFs he was using xD
On August 11 2016 20:46 Pandemona wrote: Stats uses FFs, Immortals from Classic blocked off. Classic has an Archon, fails to break FFs. Then finally moves said Archon which breaks his FFs he was using xD
thought the same. And in the end Classic wins the fight rather convincingly.
This fight should tell you how PvP works. You previously used forcefields in PvP to keep immortals out of a fight. Now you use them to block out adepts.
what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
you take your adepts and shade them on top of your opponent
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
this is exactly what i was saying. stats attacked into PO after taking economic damage, which shouldn't have made his army immediately weak, and supplies seemed even. he had to back away. classic did apparently the same thing and won the fight
i mean, i guess it's just little details. but it's hard for a diamond non protoss playing viewer to figure out what the fuck any of that was
It's so hard to punish mistakes in PvP now with overcharge. First game for example, Stats would have had a super powerful blink timing vs the essentially failed stargate opening if it were HotS. But Classic just makes pylons at the front and can never be attacked at all.
All in all, the combination of adepts and new overcharge make PvP really dumb now
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
He was taking massive hits from defensive overcharge
On August 11 2016 20:52 Olli wrote: It's so hard to punish mistakes in PvP now with overcharge. First game for example, Stats would have had a super powerful blink timing vs the essentially failed stargate opening if it were HotS. But Classic just makes pylons at the front and can never be attacked at all.
All in all, the combination of adepts and new overcharge make PvP really dumb now
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
this is exactly what i was saying. stats attacked into PO after taking economic damage, which shouldn't have made his army immediately weak, and supplies seemed even. he had to back away. classic did apparently the same thing and won the fight
i mean, i guess it's just little details. but it's hard for a diamond non protoss playing viewer to figure out what the fuck any of that was
Classic had like 4 Archons to 0 when Stats attacked, and Stats Warp Prism was super late so no micro/reinforcements
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
It really is like RvR; The attacker loses
But seriously, Stats didn't have his WP in position
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
He was taking massive hits from defensive overcharge
Yeah that thing was up for like the full duration wailing away on him.
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
He was taking massive hits from defensive overcharge
just like Classic in the last fight, so what's the difference ? Did Classic have a far more overwhelming edge in that last fight ?
On August 11 2016 20:52 Olli wrote: It's so hard to punish mistakes in PvP now with overcharge. First game for example, Stats would have had a super powerful blink timing vs the essentially failed stargate opening if it were HotS. But Classic just makes pylons at the front and can never be attacked at all.
All in all, the combination of adepts and new overcharge make PvP really dumb now
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
He was taking massive hits from defensive overcharge
just like Classic in the last fight, so what's the difference ? Did Classic have a far more overwhelming edge in that last fight ?
Yeah, but the two pylons at the left flank really fucked up the fight for him too, he would've absolutely rolled Stats if not for those. And that's with a good 20-30 army supply advantage.
On August 11 2016 20:52 Olli wrote: It's so hard to punish mistakes in PvP now with overcharge. First game for example, Stats would have had a super powerful blink timing vs the essentially failed stargate opening if it were HotS. But Classic just makes pylons at the front and can never be attacked at all.
All in all, the combination of adepts and new overcharge make PvP really dumb now
interesting. i actually started to enjoy PvP a little at the end of HoTS. I also liked it at the start of LoTV (beta?) with the disruptor play.
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
this is exactly what i was saying. stats attacked into PO after taking economic damage, which shouldn't have made his army immediately weak, and supplies seemed even. he had to back away. classic did apparently the same thing and won the fight
i mean, i guess it's just little details. but it's hard for a diamond non protoss playing viewer to figure out what the fuck any of that was
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
He was taking massive hits from defensive overcharge
just like Classic in the last fight, so what's the difference ? Did Classic have a far more overwhelming edge in that last fight ?
He was up like 20 supply when the fight began and had an archon & immortal lead, those things don't really die all that fast. And it was still close.
On August 11 2016 20:52 Olli wrote: It's so hard to punish mistakes in PvP now with overcharge. First game for example, Stats would have had a super powerful blink timing vs the essentially failed stargate opening if it were HotS. But Classic just makes pylons at the front and can never be attacked at all.
All in all, the combination of adepts and new overcharge make PvP really dumb now
Adepts and new overcharge make TvP really dumb now too
On August 11 2016 20:49 brickrd wrote: what happened? did the damage from DTs really add up that much, or did stats mess up by walking across the map before classic's counterattack? or just army positioning/target fire?
i have no idea how pvp works now
Classic made more adepts
thing is Stats had way more adepts when he attacked Classic, and still lost the fight by quite a large margin. That put into question everything I thought I knew about current PvP.
He was taking massive hits from defensive overcharge
just like Classic in the last fight, so what's the difference ? Did Classic have a far more overwhelming edge in that last fight ?
In the last 2 minutes of the game Classic did cut probes and just massed adepts, while stats was probing. He had much more adepts than Stats when he attacked. More adepts = GG even with overcharge.
You cant really compare it with the previous cllash, when Stats messed up the warpins and had no archons while his adept advantage wasnt that siignificant
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
Give 'em the Nerazim charge from the campaign that cloaks zealots after the charge (but without the stun)
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
if charge gets changed to teleport-strike, what's the difference between them and adepts?
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
Reduce charge to a 100/100 upgrade and make adepts not ridiculously broken and that could do the trick
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
if charge gets changed to teleport-strike, what's the difference between them and adepts?
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
if charge gets changed to teleport-strike, what's the difference between them and adepts?
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
Reduce charge to a 100/100 upgrade and make adepts not ridiculously broken and that could do the trick
the charge cost reduction sounds great. but still chargelots and adepts seem to overlap quite a lot.
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
if charge gets changed to teleport-strike, what's the difference between them and adepts?
They are zealot.
zlots would wreck all your buildings in lategame too, not only workers
On August 11 2016 20:57 Penev wrote: Come on Stats, for your team
The KTpocalypse has begun. It's all Zest's fault, for he TaeJa'd the team. The blood is on his hands. All KT players will be eliminated from individual competition by next Friday. Then on the weekend they'll go 0-4, 0-4 against SKT.
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
Reduce charge to a 100/100 upgrade and make adepts not ridiculously broken and that could do the trick
the charge cost reduction sounds great. but still chargelots and adepts seem to overlap quite a lot.
I'm talking a really huge nerf to adepts.
Like, reducing adept HP to 40 shield/40 health. Or make them 75 gas. or removing shade entirely.
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
Reduce charge to a 100/100 upgrade and make adepts not ridiculously broken and that could do the trick
the charge cost reduction sounds great. but still chargelots and adepts seem to overlap quite a lot.
I'm talking a really huge nerf to adepts.
Like, reducing adept HP to 40 shield/40 health. Or make them 75 gas. or removing shade entirely.
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
Reduce charge to a 100/100 upgrade and make adepts not ridiculously broken and that could do the trick
the charge cost reduction sounds great. but still chargelots and adepts seem to overlap quite a lot.
I'm talking a really huge nerf to adepts.
Like, reducing adept HP to 40 shield/40 health. Or make them 75 gas. or removing shade entirely.
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
Reduce charge to a 100/100 upgrade and make adepts not ridiculously broken and that could do the trick
the charge cost reduction sounds great. but still chargelots and adepts seem to overlap quite a lot.
I'm talking a really huge nerf to adepts.
Like, reducing adept HP to 40 shield/40 health. Or make them 75 gas. or removing shade entirely.
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
Reduce charge to a 100/100 upgrade and make adepts not ridiculously broken and that could do the trick
the charge cost reduction sounds great. but still chargelots and adepts seem to overlap quite a lot.
I'm talking a really huge nerf to adepts.
Like, reducing adept HP to 40 shield/40 health. Or make them 75 gas. or removing shade entirely.
then why have adepts even in the game?
If you reduce their HP it means that they become harass units and not these bulky core army units that also just happen to destroy mineral lines in seconds (and marines can actually kill them in a timely manner). This is fine, units like the reaper exist as a harass/scout unit and are not made for actual fights.
If you make them 75 gas they don't become disposable harass units. You could still harass but losing them is a big deal. This is fine, units like the banshee and oracle exist as harass units that can do a lot of damage but losing them is a big deal.
Removing shade entirely just makes them stocky combat units. This is fine, units like the marauder exist as bulky combat units (ignore the fact that their bonus damage is against a different armoy type). Warp prism + adept is still good at killing workers, but you won't be able to shade to another mineral line.
On August 11 2016 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote: god i hate that unit so much, bring back the zealot. At this point charge needs to be changed to teleport-strike or some shit to make em viable again
Reduce charge to a 100/100 upgrade and make adepts not ridiculously broken and that could do the trick
the charge cost reduction sounds great. but still chargelots and adepts seem to overlap quite a lot.
I'm talking a really huge nerf to adepts.
Like, reducing adept HP to 40 shield/40 health. Or make them 75 gas. or removing shade entirely.
Classic finally showing his old self. Was a part of me thinking around 12 months ago he was gonna be that big boy toss. However he had slumped alot in LOTV. Looks ok in this series though, few mistakes but still on the money.
I don't know why Classic was fighting like that on the 3rd. The 3rd base took so much of his armies fire power it isn't worth it. He would have been better dragging Stats out or just forgetting that awful position.
On August 11 2016 21:15 Arvendilin wrote: Classic has like no idea how to play against purification novas it seems, just shows you how little they are used lol
He didn't have blink I think, not much else he can do except adept/phoenix
when the nova gets canceled because a phoenix lifts up a disruptor, does it put the nova on full cooldown? Because that would make really short lift and drop with just 3-4 phoenixes quite effective, wouldn't it?
On August 11 2016 21:15 Durnuu wrote: Classic better not lose the series after that. Otherwise I'm gonna be so mad, probably even more than I was after his series vs Patience last season
This is like that game in SSL season 2 back in HotS where Stats scouted a proxy stargate and missed unpowering the oracle by 1 shot, then lost and gave Classic back all his momentum.
On August 11 2016 21:17 Yello wrote: when the nova gets canceled because a phoenix lifts up a disruptor, does it put the nova on full cooldown? Because that would make really short lift and drop with just 3-4 phoenixes quite effective, wouldn't it?
On August 11 2016 21:17 Yello wrote: when the nova gets canceled because a phoenix lifts up a disruptor, does it put the nova on full cooldown? Because that would make really short lift and drop with just 3-4 phoenixes quite effective, wouldn't it?
Yes. that's what Zest abused vs Dear in GSL last season
On August 11 2016 21:15 Arvendilin wrote: Classic has like no idea how to play against purification novas it seems, just shows you how little they are used lol
I remember a recent game where Innovation kept taking massive hits from disruptors too. It's like SKT doesn't plan for uncommon stuff.
On August 11 2016 21:15 Arvendilin wrote: Classic has like no idea how to play against purification novas it seems, just shows you how little they are used lol
He didn't have blink I think, not much else he can do except adept/phoenix
Yeah he had no blink but he still could have tried splitting. He used to be Terran, he should know what splits are.
On August 11 2016 21:17 Yello wrote: when the nova gets canceled because a phoenix lifts up a disruptor, does it put the nova on full cooldown? Because that would make really short lift and drop with just 3-4 phoenixes quite effective, wouldn't it?
I think so, the cooldown starts when the nova is launched so whatever happens after that shouldn't matter
Stats' 3 immortals in the previous game reminded me of that BW game where jaedong has drones blocking his reinforcements for like 7 minutes and still won the game
Rapid is really awesome. Keeps it light. Works well with Valdez. I feel like you always need a Tasteless or Rapid as part of a casting duo for comic relief
On August 11 2016 21:24 IMPrime wrote: Stats' 3 immortals in the previous game reminded me of that BW game where jaedong has drones blocking his reinforcements for like 7 minutes and still won the game
Darks aggressive Immortals in game 2 reminded me of how Shine (I think) proxy hatched Flash in BW to be able to Nydus rush him lol
On August 11 2016 21:26 Olli wrote: Stats is gonna win this, completely getting away with double upgrade vs single later forge with both playing charge/archon
On August 11 2016 21:26 Olli wrote: Stats is gonna win this, completely getting away with double upgrade vs single later forge with both playing charge/archon
On August 11 2016 21:28 Olli wrote: I think this is a scenario where you should get storm as Classic. He'll never win a straight up fight without some extra oomph
On August 11 2016 21:26 Olli wrote: Stats is gonna win this, completely getting away with double upgrade vs single later forge with both playing charge/archon
Classic will lift 4 immortals and win !
I'm a genius (seriously the immo advantage for Classic was huge and that was a pretty serious antitiming)
On August 11 2016 21:32 Elentos wrote: Yeah so Stats was a complete disappointment today.
cmon it's not like he played against a mediocre player. losing to classic is no shame
Classic isn't bad but just based on recent form and the level of play we've seen from both of them, Stats has a much higher level and he played underneath that today.
On July 28 2016 22:49 Durnuu wrote: With such play, Classic will definitely be a darkhorse in the ro8, meaning he actually has a shot at winning this SSL.
On August 11 2016 21:52 Silvana wrote: What the f is going on in the KT house?? :'(
An SKT agent snuck into KT's house and injected Zest and Stats's room with the slump virus. It's now taking effect. TY avoided their room because he was scared of violence, he just hit an insanely on-point opponent.
On August 11 2016 22:17 IMPrime wrote: Adept, liberator, and to an extent ravagers are ruining the game
I think ravagers are pretty harmless in that regard
Certainly ravagers are not as bad as adepts or liberators
But they singlehandedly own forcefields which were one of the big "balancing" factors in pvz in wol and hots, since you would need sentries to help stop early pushes as well as be able to have any sort of decent fight in the middle of the map. I think ravagers might be one of the reasons why toss has adepts, to put a little pressure on zergs early on (without adepts toss would have absolutely no harass units in pvz aside from warp prism drops - which aren't really that good without adepts in them - and oracles/phoenixes), and has photon overcharge, to help defend early ravagers.
Dark>>>Classic (Classic said himself that Dark kills him in practice)
Zest>>>Patience (this one ain't even close). Dear>>>Solar (most likely) Zest>>>Dear (last season he beat him 4-0 so yeah)
Finals gonna be Dark vs Zest, I think people predicted this a few weeks ago when it was confirmed they were in different brackets. Dunno who wins this.
On August 11 2016 23:56 massivez wrote: Zest is notoriously bad in PvZ.
You say that but he VERY rarely goes up against Zergs. He went vs SoO in GSL S1 and killed him, he went up against Solar in GSL S2 and killed him, the only big losses he's taken in Korea are to Rougue in SPL. Zest and Dark are 2:2 this year I think.
We don't know if he avoids Zergs because he's bad against them, or he focuses only on PvT/P because he barely ever has to PvZ.
On August 11 2016 23:56 massivez wrote: Zest is notoriously bad in PvZ.
You say that but he VERY rarely goes up against Zergs. He went vs SoO in GSL S1 and killed him, he went up against Solar in GSL S2 and killed him, the only big losses he's taken in Korea are to Rougue in SPL. Zest and Dark are 2:2 this year I think.
We don't know if he avoids Zergs because he's bad against them, or he focuses only on PvT/P because he barely ever has to PvZ.
He said in the group selection for GSL that he almost never loses against Zerg in practice but has trouble in tournament matches.
On August 11 2016 23:56 massivez wrote: Zest is notoriously bad in PvZ.
You say that but he VERY rarely goes up against Zergs. He went vs SoO in GSL S1 and killed him, he went up against Solar in GSL S2 and killed him, the only big losses he's taken in Korea are to Rougue in SPL. Zest and Dark are 2:2 this year I think.
We don't know if he avoids Zergs because he's bad against them, or he focuses only on PvT/P because he barely ever has to PvZ.
He said in the group selection for GSL that he almost never loses against Zerg in practice but has trouble in tournament matches.
if he mostly practices with leenock and losira I can see why
Funny how the rise of one KT coincides sharply with the slump of the other. Both in Starleagues and Proleagues. SKT had a stronger start of the year, then faded and got overtaken by KT in mid-year. Is the cycle turning once more?
On August 12 2016 14:08 RKC wrote: Funny how the rise of one KT coincides sharply with the slump of the other. Both in Starleagues and Proleagues. SKT had a stronger start of the year, then faded and got overtaken by KT in mid-year. Is the cycle turning once more?
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