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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
May 31 2016 17:53 GMT
#321
Those abusive spots on these maps make me go mad xD
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 31 2016 17:57 GMT
#322
On June 01 2016 02:53 Nerchio wrote:
Those abusive spots on these maps make me go mad xD


A high ground area from which marines hit the extractor? Why not, the maps must be creativeTM at all costs!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 31 2016 18:02 GMT
#323
On June 01 2016 02:57 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 02:53 Nerchio wrote:
Those abusive spots on these maps make me go mad xD


A high ground area from which marines hit the extractor? Why not, the maps must be creativeTM at all costs!


The mapmaker mentioned before the tournament that he was thinking to change that area so that there would be a ramp to the corner bases.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 31 2016 18:33 GMT
#324
uThermal's late game TvZ isn't very good. He seems allergic to taking fourth bases, or building units that can beat ultras, and his pre-chitinous timings are dubious. Ultras are very good in general, but he's playing in a way that makes them unbeatable.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 31 2016 18:39 GMT
#325
Nerchio won't be happy with this game
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Ingvar
Profile Joined April 2015
Russian Federation421 Posts
May 31 2016 18:44 GMT
#326
Someone should team uThermal to build a 4th base. Does he have a mental block of some kind?
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 31 2016 18:44 GMT
#327
I don't really see why the AI issues with the blockers is such a problem. It happens to both players, so just get good and deal with it
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 31 2016 18:49 GMT
#328
On June 01 2016 03:44 opisska wrote:
I don't really see why the AI issues with the blockers is such a problem. It happens to both players, so just get good and deal with it


Having games hinge on whose AI bugs out doesn't seem that great. And just because the AI issues are symmetric doesn't mean they are equal for the different races.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 31 2016 18:53 GMT
#329
that went about as bad as it could have for uthermal
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 31 2016 18:55 GMT
#330
On June 01 2016 03:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 03:44 opisska wrote:
I don't really see why the AI issues with the blockers is such a problem. It happens to both players, so just get good and deal with it


Having games hinge on whose AI bugs out doesn't seem that great. And just because the AI issues are symmetric doesn't mean they are equal for the different races.


Have you ever watched or played BW? This whole blocker deal would count as a very minor inconvenience there ...

If a pro game is decided by known AI issues, it's 100% the player's fault they just need to practice for it. It's not that different from all the other things.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-31 19:03:28
May 31 2016 19:02 GMT
#331
On June 01 2016 03:55 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 03:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 01 2016 03:44 opisska wrote:
I don't really see why the AI issues with the blockers is such a problem. It happens to both players, so just get good and deal with it


Having games hinge on whose AI bugs out doesn't seem that great. And just because the AI issues are symmetric doesn't mean they are equal for the different races.


Have you ever watched or played BW? This whole blocker deal would count as a very minor inconvenience there ...

If a pro game is decided by known AI issues, it's 100% the player's fault they just need to practice for it. It's not that different from all the other things.


SCII ain't BW. If a bug disabled unit control groups on a map, it wouldn't be okay just because the Dune RTS didn't have control groups. Sure pros can and will practice for AI issues, but they shouldn't need to. Also while map balance should solely be based on the highest level, map playability needs to consider the average player.

edit: Those LOS blockers on Goojira are... messy.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 31 2016 19:03 GMT
#332
Haha that stationary overlord doesn't provide flying vision on the liberator spot
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Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
1986 Posts
May 31 2016 19:06 GMT
#333
Everyone knew going in that the blockers would be an issue. I think just remove them, the map still works without them.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 31 2016 19:08 GMT
#334
Incredible. uThermal built a fourth. He could have built it at the seven minute mark on site, and Nerchio probably wouldn't have denied it out of shear surprise.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 31 2016 19:10 GMT
#335
Haha this is like the final level of WoL for Uthermal. Ultralisks spawing from nydus from all sides
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
May 31 2016 19:11 GMT
#336
I cry every time a pro Terran sets up liberators in a way so that biles on one spot can kill multiple.
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
May 31 2016 19:12 GMT
#337
Its not possible to take 1 of the gases in the middle base, I was really sad
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 31 2016 19:13 GMT
#338
On June 01 2016 04:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Haha this is like the final level of WoL for Uthermal. Ultralisks spawing from nydus from all sides


I think he could have won that if he had had the nova ability from the Xel'naga artifact.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 31 2016 19:15 GMT
#339
On June 01 2016 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 04:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Haha this is like the final level of WoL for Uthermal. Ultralisks spawing from nydus from all sides


I think he could have won that if he had had the nova ability from the Xel'naga artifact.

Yeah. Map editors need to get on and implement that.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 31 2016 19:15 GMT
#340
I am not really getting what happened to uThermal. I know him as being pretty good, but here he keeps heatbutting into the same problem over and over again with the same approach that just doesn't seem to work. None of his wins were from a solid game and even sometimes using the bullshit of the map didn't work. I am not surprised by Nerchio winning, but I wouldn't expect uThermal to look that bad losing.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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