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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
April 11 2016 11:01 GMT
#141
CJ getting 3-0'd is at least in the realm of what should be considered possible. SKT losing 0-3 to Afreeca would be most hilarious upset since SKT losing 0-3 to SBENU.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 11 2016 11:02 GMT
#142
On April 11 2016 20:01 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2016 19:58 Heartland wrote:
Ultras are good, but people have learned how to play vs them a lot more

Yes. Get so far ahead that the zerg can only afford a handful of them without any support.


It's about more than that really.
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
April 11 2016 11:03 GMT
#143
On April 11 2016 19:56 opisska wrote:
It's kinda understandable how dark ended up with pure ultra - he was scrambling for army, everything but ultras got always repeatedly killed, a lot of the army was split and even though lone ultras are not great, they are still the best thing you can buy for that money - two infestors and ten lings won't do much alone, a single ultra will at least slow down the bio for a while.

But in general, Dark was just not being greedy enough at the start. Also it's funny how he does make banes in ZvP and refuses to do so in ZvT

dark's macro at the start was great, and he even added in drones for his 4th after killing 70% of bomber's initial 2/4vacdrop force. so he was definitely appropriately 'greedy'. the biggest mistakes were transitioning into banelings and ultralisks rather than sticking on pure roach ravager infestor against an opponent that didn't have a single tank or mine. roach ravager queen with the early infestors dark had would keep him safe forever against bomber's 3base allin, there was no need to make banelings at all compared to adding in a few ravagers/another infestor and the ultra transition (if it ever had to happen) could've been delayed without problem. for example dark had those amazing fungals but no mass ravagers to combo the entire fungal field with. he probably expected bomber to play passive, which in and of itself is a bit weird since bomber has been doing 3cc ~60scv non-stop builds for 5++ years now XD

in the situation he was in though, you're correct, making pure mass ultra is the only reasonable choice since you have excess gas (but not mineral patches) and ultralisks are the only reasonable choice to spend minerals on at that point.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 11 2016 11:03 GMT
#144
haha, the prism!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
April 11 2016 11:03 GMT
#145
On April 11 2016 20:01 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2016 20:00 Penev wrote:
This could be the final game of the series

damn

It will be

maybe soO doesn't realize
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 11 2016 11:04 GMT
#146
for all the shit we give Blizzard they were right about boosting drop play
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 11 2016 11:05 GMT
#147
On April 11 2016 20:02 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2016 20:01 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 11 2016 19:58 Heartland wrote:
Ultras are good, but people have learned how to play vs them a lot more

Yes. Get so far ahead that the zerg can only afford a handful of them without any support.


It's about more than that really.

Well if you have such narrow view of the game as him, I can clearly see how they are imbalanced.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
April 11 2016 11:05 GMT
#148
On April 11 2016 20:04 Heartland wrote:
for all the shit we give Blizzard they were right about boosting drop play

not a fan of the Terran doomdrop tho
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 11 2016 11:05 GMT
#149
Oh Patience is ALL IN on his warp prism play lol
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
April 11 2016 11:05 GMT
#150
On April 11 2016 19:56 opisska wrote:
It's kinda understandable how dark ended up with pure ultra - he was scrambling for army, everything but ultras got always repeatedly killed, a lot of the army was split and even though lone ultras are not great, they are still the best thing you can buy for that money - two infestors and ten lings won't do much alone, a single ultra will at least slow down the bio for a while.

But in general, Dark was just not being greedy enough at the start. Also it's funny how he does make banes in ZvP and refuses to do so in ZvT

He rushed to ultralisk on like 130 supply, how is that not greedy?
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 11 2016 11:06 GMT
#151
uh oh
the nightmare of Protoss have arrived
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 11 2016 11:06 GMT
#152
On April 11 2016 20:03 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2016 19:56 opisska wrote:
It's kinda understandable how dark ended up with pure ultra - he was scrambling for army, everything but ultras got always repeatedly killed, a lot of the army was split and even though lone ultras are not great, they are still the best thing you can buy for that money - two infestors and ten lings won't do much alone, a single ultra will at least slow down the bio for a while.

But in general, Dark was just not being greedy enough at the start. Also it's funny how he does make banes in ZvP and refuses to do so in ZvT

dark's macro at the start was great, and he even added in drones for his 4th after killing 70% of bomber's initial 2/4vacdrop force. so he was definitely appropriately 'greedy'. the biggest mistakes were transitioning into banelings and ultralisks rather than sticking on pure roach ravager infestor against an opponent that didn't have a single tank or mine. roach ravager queen with the early infestors dark had would keep him safe forever against bomber's 3base allin, there was no need to make banelings at all compared to adding in a few ravagers/another infestor and the ultra transition (if it ever had to happen) could've been delayed without problem. for example dark had those amazing fungals but no mass ravagers to combo the entire fungal field with. he probably expected bomber to play passive, which in and of itself is a bit weird since bomber has been doing 3cc ~60scv non-stop builds for 5++ years now XD

in the situation he was in though, you're correct, making pure mass ultra is the only reasonable choice since you have excess gas (but not mineral patches) and ultralisks are the only reasonable choice to spend minerals on at that point.


Interesting analysis! I find it still hard to judge, when roach/ravager is good and when it isn't.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 11 2016 11:09 GMT
#153
Banes vs mass archon/stalker?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#154
And thats the 3-0
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Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#155
That was about the worst fight he could take lol
It appears I have been chosen.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#156
3-0 ! 3-0!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#157
amaigawd skt
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#158
breaking news : banelings suck against archons and immortals
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#159
Oh. That escalated fast
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#160
Patience killing the dream.
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