• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:44
CEST 14:44
KST 21:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed14Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Who will win EWC 2025? Server Blocker Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Soulkey Muta Micro Map? Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 703 users

[SPL] Round 2 2016 - SKT T1 vs Afreeca Freecs - Page 8

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 15 Next All
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
April 11 2016 11:01 GMT
#141
CJ getting 3-0'd is at least in the realm of what should be considered possible. SKT losing 0-3 to Afreeca would be most hilarious upset since SKT losing 0-3 to SBENU.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
April 11 2016 11:02 GMT
#142
On April 11 2016 20:01 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2016 19:58 Heartland wrote:
Ultras are good, but people have learned how to play vs them a lot more

Yes. Get so far ahead that the zerg can only afford a handful of them without any support.


It's about more than that really.
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
April 11 2016 11:03 GMT
#143
On April 11 2016 19:56 opisska wrote:
It's kinda understandable how dark ended up with pure ultra - he was scrambling for army, everything but ultras got always repeatedly killed, a lot of the army was split and even though lone ultras are not great, they are still the best thing you can buy for that money - two infestors and ten lings won't do much alone, a single ultra will at least slow down the bio for a while.

But in general, Dark was just not being greedy enough at the start. Also it's funny how he does make banes in ZvP and refuses to do so in ZvT

dark's macro at the start was great, and he even added in drones for his 4th after killing 70% of bomber's initial 2/4vacdrop force. so he was definitely appropriately 'greedy'. the biggest mistakes were transitioning into banelings and ultralisks rather than sticking on pure roach ravager infestor against an opponent that didn't have a single tank or mine. roach ravager queen with the early infestors dark had would keep him safe forever against bomber's 3base allin, there was no need to make banelings at all compared to adding in a few ravagers/another infestor and the ultra transition (if it ever had to happen) could've been delayed without problem. for example dark had those amazing fungals but no mass ravagers to combo the entire fungal field with. he probably expected bomber to play passive, which in and of itself is a bit weird since bomber has been doing 3cc ~60scv non-stop builds for 5++ years now XD

in the situation he was in though, you're correct, making pure mass ultra is the only reasonable choice since you have excess gas (but not mineral patches) and ultralisks are the only reasonable choice to spend minerals on at that point.
Team Liquid
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
April 11 2016 11:03 GMT
#144
haha, the prism!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
April 11 2016 11:03 GMT
#145
On April 11 2016 20:01 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2016 20:00 Penev wrote:
This could be the final game of the series

damn

It will be

maybe soO doesn't realize
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
April 11 2016 11:04 GMT
#146
for all the shit we give Blizzard they were right about boosting drop play
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 11 2016 11:05 GMT
#147
On April 11 2016 20:02 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2016 20:01 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 11 2016 19:58 Heartland wrote:
Ultras are good, but people have learned how to play vs them a lot more

Yes. Get so far ahead that the zerg can only afford a handful of them without any support.


It's about more than that really.

Well if you have such narrow view of the game as him, I can clearly see how they are imbalanced.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
April 11 2016 11:05 GMT
#148
On April 11 2016 20:04 Heartland wrote:
for all the shit we give Blizzard they were right about boosting drop play

not a fan of the Terran doomdrop tho
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
April 11 2016 11:05 GMT
#149
Oh Patience is ALL IN on his warp prism play lol
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
April 11 2016 11:05 GMT
#150
On April 11 2016 19:56 opisska wrote:
It's kinda understandable how dark ended up with pure ultra - he was scrambling for army, everything but ultras got always repeatedly killed, a lot of the army was split and even though lone ultras are not great, they are still the best thing you can buy for that money - two infestors and ten lings won't do much alone, a single ultra will at least slow down the bio for a while.

But in general, Dark was just not being greedy enough at the start. Also it's funny how he does make banes in ZvP and refuses to do so in ZvT

He rushed to ultralisk on like 130 supply, how is that not greedy?
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 11 2016 11:06 GMT
#151
uh oh
the nightmare of Protoss have arrived
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 11 2016 11:06 GMT
#152
On April 11 2016 20:03 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2016 19:56 opisska wrote:
It's kinda understandable how dark ended up with pure ultra - he was scrambling for army, everything but ultras got always repeatedly killed, a lot of the army was split and even though lone ultras are not great, they are still the best thing you can buy for that money - two infestors and ten lings won't do much alone, a single ultra will at least slow down the bio for a while.

But in general, Dark was just not being greedy enough at the start. Also it's funny how he does make banes in ZvP and refuses to do so in ZvT

dark's macro at the start was great, and he even added in drones for his 4th after killing 70% of bomber's initial 2/4vacdrop force. so he was definitely appropriately 'greedy'. the biggest mistakes were transitioning into banelings and ultralisks rather than sticking on pure roach ravager infestor against an opponent that didn't have a single tank or mine. roach ravager queen with the early infestors dark had would keep him safe forever against bomber's 3base allin, there was no need to make banelings at all compared to adding in a few ravagers/another infestor and the ultra transition (if it ever had to happen) could've been delayed without problem. for example dark had those amazing fungals but no mass ravagers to combo the entire fungal field with. he probably expected bomber to play passive, which in and of itself is a bit weird since bomber has been doing 3cc ~60scv non-stop builds for 5++ years now XD

in the situation he was in though, you're correct, making pure mass ultra is the only reasonable choice since you have excess gas (but not mineral patches) and ultralisks are the only reasonable choice to spend minerals on at that point.


Interesting analysis! I find it still hard to judge, when roach/ravager is good and when it isn't.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
April 11 2016 11:09 GMT
#153
Banes vs mass archon/stalker?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#154
And thats the 3-0
Liquipedia"Expert"
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#155
That was about the worst fight he could take lol
It appears I have been chosen.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#156
3-0 ! 3-0!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#157
amaigawd skt
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#158
breaking news : banelings suck against archons and immortals
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#159
Oh. That escalated fast
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
April 11 2016 11:10 GMT
#160
Patience killing the dream.
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 15 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Epic.LAN
12:00
Epic.LAN 45 Group Stage
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 337
Lowko260
Creator 63
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 34763
EffOrt 698
Hyuk 583
Larva 550
Stork 543
Shuttle 539
firebathero 360
Pusan 195
Light 192
Snow 175
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 117
Rush 110
Barracks 85
Soulkey 84
ToSsGirL 74
zelot 51
TY 50
Aegong 47
sas.Sziky 40
Sharp 37
Backho 27
Sacsri 23
sSak 19
Icarus 18
Shinee 15
[sc1f]eonzerg 14
Bale 4
Terrorterran 1
Dota 2
Gorgc8547
singsing2518
qojqva936
Fuzer 245
XcaliburYe234
Counter-Strike
sgares466
allub99
Other Games
B2W.Neo1209
hiko399
DeMusliM390
Scarlett`364
Liquid`LucifroN108
Liquid`VortiX73
ArmadaUGS46
ROOTCatZ42
QueenE27
Trikslyr25
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2455
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos811
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
3h 16m
sebesdes vs SpeCial
Harstem vs YoungYakov
GgMaChine vs uThermal
CranKy Ducklings
21h 16m
Epic.LAN
23h 16m
CSO Contender
1d 4h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
Online Event
2 days
Esports World Cup
3 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
4 days
Esports World Cup
5 days
Esports World Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

JPL Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
Championship of Russia 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.