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Poll: Head: Who advances?Snute / MarineLorD (14) 64% MajOr / MarineLorD (3) 14% puCK / Snute (2) 9% Snute / MajOr (2) 9% puCK / MajOr (1) 5% puCK / MarineLorD (0) 0% 22 total votes Your vote: Head: Who advances? (Vote): puCK / Snute
(Vote): puCK / MajOr
(Vote): puCK / MarineLorD
(Vote): Snute / MajOr
(Vote): Snute / MarineLorD
(Vote): MajOr / MarineLorD
Poll: Heart: Who advances?Snute / MarineLorD (13) 59% puCK / Snute (4) 18% MajOr / MarineLorD (2) 9% puCK / MajOr (1) 5% puCK / MarineLorD (1) 5% Snute / MajOr (1) 5% 22 total votes Your vote: Heart: Who advances? (Vote): puCK / Snute
(Vote): puCK / MajOr
(Vote): puCK / MarineLorD
(Vote): Snute / MajOr
(Vote): Snute / MarineLorD
(Vote): MajOr / MarineLorD
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Tuesday, Mar 22 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
Wrong date? 
Lickpiddy states the group plays on March 24, 2016 - 17:00 CST.
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With the way this tournament has gone so far, I can't predict this group.
Gunna go with Marinelord/Snute, but wouldnt surprise me if MajOr somehow pulled out a win here, even though his LAN experience has been underwhelming.
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Had no idea about this thing. Have something to watch tonight now 
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stop trying to make blink all-in happen
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On March 24 2016 18:28 Ej_ wrote:
stop trying to make blink all-in happen
They'll never give up on it.
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puCk bringing his fearsome macro play with a blink all-in into DTs and now proxy something (DTs???)
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On March 24 2016 18:39 Ej_ wrote:
puCk bringing his fearsome macro play with a blink all-in into DTs and now proxy something (DTs???)
Proxied adepts. Because there's no way he'd ever beat Snute straight up.
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so Scarlett is going to play a non-Zerg, rip her
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On March 24 2016 18:43 Ej_ wrote:
so Scarlett is going to play a non-Zerg, rip her
I think she could beat puCK. With MajOr it would depend on whether he feels like killing himself with his multitasking like against Snute at Katowice. Don't think she'd have much of a chance against ReaperLorD.
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Central Protocol in a bo3 wow
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France12911 Posts
I'm always saddened that protoss doesn't look good when winning :/.
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Looked like puck had the control all game with adept opener, is zerg still the weakest race atm?
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On March 24 2016 18:51 coL.hendralisk wrote:
Looked like puck had the control all game with adept opener, is zerg still the weakest race atm?
Nope. ZvP is like 55:45
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On March 24 2016 18:51 coL.hendralisk wrote:
Looked like puck had the control all game with adept opener, is zerg still the weakest race atm?
Nah, long term aligulac winrate for zerg is 56% in ZvP
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Ah must be tuning in at bad times cuz everytime it seems the zerg gets handled lol
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wait, this is a Premier WCS tournament? I totally missed that Oo
Seems like the players missed it too, an open bracket with only 13 players of which most are unknown Chinese players? This doesn't feel like a premier tournament at all
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On March 24 2016 18:57 coL.hendralisk wrote:
Ah must be tuning in at bad times cuz everytime it seems the zerg gets handled lol
must just be you. Maybe you're bad luck or something? 
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On March 24 2016 18:59 Yello wrote:
wait, this is a Premier WCS tournament? I totally missed that Oo
Seems like the players missed it too, an open bracket with only 13 players of which most are unknown Chinese players? This doesn't feel like a premier tournament at all
Well the players qualified through a qualifier, and flying to china for an open bracket is kind of expensive.
Besides how cool is it to have a Mongolian player in ro8! :D
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Very poor execution by MajOr, both on the offense and defense.
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On March 24 2016 19:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 18:59 Yello wrote:
wait, this is a Premier WCS tournament? I totally missed that Oo
Seems like the players missed it too, an open bracket with only 13 players of which most are unknown Chinese players? This doesn't feel like a premier tournament at all Well the players qualified through a qualifier, and flying to china for an open bracket is kind of expensive. Besides how cool is it to have a Mongolian player in ro8! :D
...superhyped for Sioras to make the impossible come true!
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On March 24 2016 19:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 18:59 Yello wrote:
wait, this is a Premier WCS tournament? I totally missed that Oo
Seems like the players missed it too, an open bracket with only 13 players of which most are unknown Chinese players? This doesn't feel like a premier tournament at all Well the players qualified through a qualifier, and flying to china for an open bracket is kind of expensive. Besides how cool is it to have a Mongolian player in ro8! :D
understandable but still feels off to me.
With the mongolz coming out of nowhere in CS:GO and now a Mongolian SC2 player nobody ever heard about showing up in Shanghai, is there a secret Esports society hidden somewhere in Monoglia or what?
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Wow MarineLorD should have lost everything in that fight, why didn't MajOr kill the tanks? o.O
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This was the most mirrored game I've seen in a long time. Exactly the same openings with the same attack timings and everything and Marinelord taking slightly better trades all the time. Until he decides to take a big engagement without combat shields >.<
Also it feels really weird watching a stream without game sounds. This is the official English stream, right?
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On March 24 2016 19:18 Yello wrote:
This was the most mirrored game I've seen in a long time. Exactly the same openings with the same attack timings and everything and Marinelord taking slightly better trades all the time. Until he decides to take a big engagement without combat shields >.<
Also it feels really weird watching a stream without game sounds. This is the official English stream, right?
It is the official stream, but they're not on site, they restream a Chinese stream which is why there's no sound.
You can see MajOr wants to be TY in his play, every time.
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France12911 Posts
Wtf was that MLorD, why forgot CS  it was so won
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That's a huge blunder by MLord.
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These guys do not respect the Terran brocode.
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France12911 Posts
Now it's basetradeTvT with this map. Go MLorD
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Wow MLorD getting trashed this game.
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Major is tearing Mlord apart
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I think to say MajOr is inspired by TY doesn't do this justice
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Wow how is this attack working lol
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Am I the only one with choppy stream?
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MLord with 28 SCVs ... WTH
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This match is crazy they are so low on resources due to constant battles
EU is getting smacked here damn
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Scarlett > Elazer
Puck > Snute
Major > Marinelord
Where you at EU?
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On March 24 2016 19:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This match is crazy they are so low on resources due to constant battles
EU is getting smacked here damn
I like how MajOr had half the mineral income with twice the workers.
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On March 24 2016 19:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Scarlett > Elazer
Puck > Snute
Major > Marinelord
Where you at EU?
Nerchio > all NA
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Well I don't even know who to take between major and puck. I thought they'd both lose their initial match ups so I'm not even gonna guess.
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I really didn't expect NA to show up, but we've got at least one NA player in the quarters. Even more, this is the best case scenario to not have another Zerg (sorry snute). Regional diversity is looking nice, EU, SE Asia, and NA.
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On March 24 2016 19:45 breaker1328 wrote:
Well I don't even know who to take between major and puck. I thought they'd both lose their initial match ups so I'm not even gonna guess.
I'd favor MajOr, personally. He looked very good against MarineLorD and I don't really like puCK's PvT.
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On March 24 2016 19:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Scarlett > Elazer
Puck > Snute
Major > Marinelord
Where you at EU?
USA USA USA
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On March 24 2016 19:53 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 19:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Scarlett > Elazer
Puck > Snute
Major > Marinelord
Where you at EU? USA USA USA
Scarlett is Candian and Major is mexican....
So USA my ass (even though PUCK <3)
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In my dream scenario, Puck beats Major to advance, Snute beats Marinelord and then Major to advance.
Snute, please win. That's most important. D:
Of secondary importance is Major losing, though.
Gotta say, though, I think Major might take it over Puck, unless there's some weird Protoss shit that happens. Which is entirely possible with Puck.
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Some cool speedprism disruptor harass from Puck
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Those disruptors are so filthy
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This style isn't even any good. Stalker/disruptor sucks.
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This is really stupid - either MarineLord or Snute not getting to the bracket? Not playing against the Koreans? :-/
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Hahaha protoss is so superb, not
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On March 24 2016 19:58 Rehio wrote:
In my dream scenario, Puck beats Major to advance, Snute beats Marinelord and then Major to advance.
Snute, please win. That's most important. D:
Of secondary importance is Major losing, though.
Gotta say, though, I think Major might take it over Puck, unless there's some weird Protoss shit that happens. Which is entirely possible with Puck.
His best match up is terran so i am not worry about him.
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Major got all-in'ed two times.....
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On March 24 2016 19:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Scarlett > Elazer
Puck > Snute
Major > Marinelord
Where you at EU?
2 days from now? in the finals
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so why is puck fighting vs tank/lib/bunker from lowground? is this the best na player?
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France12911 Posts
pucK is so bad, please end fast I want to see MLorD vs Snute...
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Haha the disruptor prism is doing soooo much damage
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This is such a bad game ._.
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Major with worse micro than a platinum player.
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On March 24 2016 20:27 Elentos wrote:
This is such a bad game ._.
the winner plays scarlett, NA PLAYER IN RO4 BOYS
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Why get vikings when you could just let the prism kill everything you have
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France12911 Posts
This game is terrible xD never ends
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How is this the winners match? omg
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ZZZZ why he choose hidden base ? It's so hard to defend.
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well all terrible misplays considered (this game is a Dragon vs Cytoplasm award candidate), puCk's prism/ball usage is pretty good
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Well at least this was a constant fight game that is what we wanted from LotV
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HE BLINKED INTO 5 TANKS AND A LIBERATOR WTF AJGAGJADFJIO
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On March 24 2016 20:35 breaker1328 wrote:
The throw is real.
i dont even know whose throw this is
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This game is so ridiculous.
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omfg that suicide on tnaks
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On March 24 2016 20:36 Ej_ wrote:i dont even know whose throw this is
It's a game of Tennis.
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On March 24 2016 20:36 Ej_ wrote:i dont even know whose throw this is
pucks... lol, but then major right after. This is plat level game.
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don't know how i should feel about what i am seeing
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You see? Even foreigners are able to produce entertaining games :-)
I am just laughing when I see this :-)
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This game is just out of this world
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That was ridiculous puck. How did that win? I am very very confused.
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How the fuck did MajOr even manage to lose this shitty game? xD
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games like this are a good reason for suicide watch
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France12911 Posts
MajOr should really learn how to micro properly, this was a saad loss.
You can get away with it in TvT but in TvP and TvZ you just can't.
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I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though.
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On March 24 2016 20:40 breaker1328 wrote:
That was ridiculous puck. How did that win? I am very very confused.
Major's split was on point even surpass marineking.
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On March 24 2016 20:40 Elentos wrote:
How the fuck did MajOr even manage to lose this shitty game? xD
Eating storm after storm
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On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though.
I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-)
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So of all the players in this group, I really didn't expect puCK to be the one getting out first. Congrats to him though.
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On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-)
TY got trashed by foreigners in Dreamhack Winter tho ^^
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On March 24 2016 20:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:40 Elentos wrote:
How the fuck did MajOr even manage to lose this shitty game? xD Eating storm after storm
But puCK was on 2-base economy for 25 minutes AND lost the templar archives twice. Nothing about that game makes sense.
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On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-)
i dont think it gets more embarassing than losing a macro game to a 6pool opening
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On March 24 2016 20:43 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-) TY got trashed by foreigners in Dreamhack Winter tho ^^
That was at the very beginning of LotV, when Koreans did not know the game well yet. Now, it is a different story.
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On March 24 2016 20:43 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-) TY got trashed by foreigners in Dreamhack Winter tho ^^
He lost to Lilbow's pre-patch mass adept all-ins and he barely lost to Nerchio. He completely annihilated puCK whose style honestly hasn't changed much since DH Winter.
Plus the Korean players won't really be jetlagged when they go from Seoul to Shanghai, so TY and Dear don't really have excuses.
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On March 24 2016 20:45 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:43 Poopi wrote:On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-) TY got trashed by foreigners in Dreamhack Winter tho ^^ That was at the very beginning of LotV, when Koreans did not know the game well yet. Now, it is a different story.
Worst excuse ever.
My guess is that terran was/is bad so koreans get upset more easily by foreign P/Z.
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On March 24 2016 20:46 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:43 Poopi wrote:On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-) TY got trashed by foreigners in Dreamhack Winter tho ^^ He lost to Lilbow's pre-patch mass adept all-ins and he barely lost to Nerchio. He completely annihilated puCK whose style honestly hasn't changed much since DH Winter. Plus the Korean players won't really be jetlagged when they go from Seoul to Shanghai, so TY and Dear don't really have excuses.
But the foreigners will be jetlagged so it wont count
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On March 24 2016 20:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:46 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 20:43 Poopi wrote:On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-) TY got trashed by foreigners in Dreamhack Winter tho ^^ He lost to Lilbow's pre-patch mass adept all-ins and he barely lost to Nerchio. He completely annihilated puCK whose style honestly hasn't changed much since DH Winter. Plus the Korean players won't really be jetlagged when they go from Seoul to Shanghai, so TY and Dear don't really have excuses. But the foreigners will be jetlagged so it wont count
Will they fly to Europe and back to Shanghai before the showmatches just for the jetlag?
Of course, since it's BO1 they could also try to cheese themselves to 500$.
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On March 24 2016 20:48 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On March 24 2016 20:46 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 20:43 Poopi wrote:On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-) TY got trashed by foreigners in Dreamhack Winter tho ^^ He lost to Lilbow's pre-patch mass adept all-ins and he barely lost to Nerchio. He completely annihilated puCK whose style honestly hasn't changed much since DH Winter. Plus the Korean players won't really be jetlagged when they go from Seoul to Shanghai, so TY and Dear don't really have excuses. But the foreigners will be jetlagged so it wont count Will they fly to Europe and back to Shanghai before the showmatches just for the jetlag? Of course, since it's BO1 they could also try to cheese themselves to 500$.
Just look at their faces you can see they are exhausted
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On March 24 2016 20:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:48 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 20:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On March 24 2016 20:46 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 20:43 Poopi wrote:On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-) TY got trashed by foreigners in Dreamhack Winter tho ^^ He lost to Lilbow's pre-patch mass adept all-ins and he barely lost to Nerchio. He completely annihilated puCK whose style honestly hasn't changed much since DH Winter. Plus the Korean players won't really be jetlagged when they go from Seoul to Shanghai, so TY and Dear don't really have excuses. But the foreigners will be jetlagged so it wont count Will they fly to Europe and back to Shanghai before the showmatches just for the jetlag? Of course, since it's BO1 they could also try to cheese themselves to 500$. Just look at their faces you can see they are exhausted https://twitter.com/InvasionHarstem/status/712668902459768834
At the time of the showmatches they'll have been in China for almost a week. If they're still exhausted by then, they'll have spent too much time channeling #RottiInTheClub.
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Rottiintheclub in China ended with mrBitter getting robbed last time
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Wow this opening went great for Snute.
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You need to eat healthy Artur..
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On March 24 2016 20:59 Penev wrote:
You need to eat healthy Artur..
healthy people don't get so sick
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On March 24 2016 20:59 Penev wrote:
You need to eat healthy Artur..
Artur 4-0'd his group, such peasantries are beneath him.
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Snute is still trying to make BL/inf happen in LotV
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Puck getting first place is crazy. Snute vs MarineLorD in the losermatch, lmao. Sounds more like the final.
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i mean it would be p terrible if terran was behind in supply during a hive tech switch
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On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-)
Well, only top 4 + 2 voted players have the chance to play the all-star matches against the Koreans.
So puck has to win Scarlett.
And so far, the top voted players are (Foreigners: Scarlett and Snute, Chinese: IA and Toodming)
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On March 24 2016 21:00 Elentos wrote:Artur 4-0'd his group, such peasantries are beneath him.
He would win GSL if he swore off fast food for sure, that's a fact and you know it
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wtf snute just gave 3 broods for free
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On March 24 2016 21:03 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:00 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 20:59 Penev wrote:
You need to eat healthy Artur.. Artur 4-0'd his group, such peasantries are beneath him. He would win GSL if he swore off fast food for sure, that's a fact and you know it
Seriously, who goes to China and instead of eating Chinese food goes to McDonalds?
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On March 24 2016 21:05 Ej_ wrote:
wtf snute just gave 3 broods for free
Yeah, that was weird. And one of the casters tried to make that sound good for Snute. Casting not quite on point.
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On March 24 2016 21:05 breaker1328 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:03 Penev wrote:On March 24 2016 21:00 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 20:59 Penev wrote:
You need to eat healthy Artur.. Artur 4-0'd his group, such peasantries are beneath him. He would win GSL if he swore off fast food for sure, that's a fact and you know it Seriously, who goes to China and instead of eating Chinese food goes to McDonalds?
the best foreigner
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On March 24 2016 21:06 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:05 breaker1328 wrote:On March 24 2016 21:03 Penev wrote:On March 24 2016 21:00 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 20:59 Penev wrote:
You need to eat healthy Artur.. Artur 4-0'd his group, such peasantries are beneath him. He would win GSL if he swore off fast food for sure, that's a fact and you know it Seriously, who goes to China and instead of eating Chinese food goes to McDonalds? the best foreigner
One of the 32 players of Starcraft 2.
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Onlinelord channels his inner onliner.
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MarineLorD gonna go home with 0 WCS points?
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On March 24 2016 21:03 tub74557 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 20:42 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm really puzzled this is considered a Premier tournament. The games are entertaining for sure though. I just can't wait to see Puck playing against TY on Sunday!!!!! :-))) LOOOOL, Lilbow will look like a boss against Life :-) Well, only top 4 + 2 voted players have the chance to play the all-star matches against the Koreans. So puck has to win Scarlett. And so far, the top voted players are (Foreigners: Scarlett and Snute, Chinese: IA and Toodming)
Oh, that's great, thanks for the info! That means, Snute should be able to play even if he does not get to the semifinals!
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When will they do the all-star matches?
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1 - Snute won MLorD's map right there
2 - MLorD chose to play on Lerilak <.<
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On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches?
Sunday
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On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday
Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ...
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On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday
My god, children can watch; We'll have to distract them with thoroughly hidden eggs
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On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ...
i will update the all-stars thread when there is more info.
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Bridgehead gave us some of the best ZvP games. Mostly because Zerg could win a macro game there.
it was absolutely terrible in other matchups
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On March 24 2016 21:15 Kaizor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ... i will update the all-stars thread when there is more info.
Perfect, thanks. That will be such a great weekend! Proleague finals on Saturday, 24 Korea vs. foreigner matches on Sunday! Great!
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good to know that Snute loses to hellions just like I do
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On March 24 2016 21:15 Kaizor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ... i will update the all-stars thread when there is more info.
Yeah they might have to start earlier, unless they're not bothered by staying in the studio until late at night. I guess it depends on how long the breaks are between each games, but 24 games is a bit more than 1 1/2 full GSL groups. So it might take like 6 hours.
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Terran picking Lerilak and then winning on Central Protocol, is this the alternate universe where MKP beats NesTea?
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On March 24 2016 21:17 Ej_ wrote:
Bridgehead gave us some of the best ZvP games.
It also gave us proxy hatches and 1-base immortal all-ins.
And yeah it sucked in the other matchups.
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On March 24 2016 21:21 Ej_ wrote:
Terran picking Lerilak and then winning on Central Protocol, is this the alternate universe where MKP beats NesTea?
I think Central is a fair bit better for Terran than Lerilak tbh. I'm more confused Snute agreed to play on Central, but I guess he really wanted to get rid of Dusk Terrans and Orbital Commandyard.
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Snute needs to win this though since Nerchio's ZvZ >>> Nerchio's ZvT
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On March 24 2016 21:24 Ej_ wrote:
Snute needs to win this though since Nerchio's ZvZ >>> Nerchio's ZvT
Artur should have taken 2nd out of pity with the other fools in his group so he could play puCK.
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On March 24 2016 21:23 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:21 Ej_ wrote:
Terran picking Lerilak and then winning on Central Protocol, is this the alternate universe where MKP beats NesTea? I think Central is a fair bit better for Terran than Lerilak tbh. I'm more confused Snute agreed to play on Central, but I guess he really wanted to get rid of Dusk Terrans and Orbital Commandyard.
Super wide chokes all over the place are really good for Zerg though. Protoss is the one that gets really screwed over by this map. I think it's best for Zerg but it's not that far behind as far as being good for Terran is concerned.
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On March 24 2016 21:26 breaker1328 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:23 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:21 Ej_ wrote:
Terran picking Lerilak and then winning on Central Protocol, is this the alternate universe where MKP beats NesTea? I think Central is a fair bit better for Terran than Lerilak tbh. I'm more confused Snute agreed to play on Central, but I guess he really wanted to get rid of Dusk Terrans and Orbital Commandyard. Super wide chokes all over the place are really good for Zerg though. Protoss is the one that gets really screwed over by this map. I think it's best for Zerg but it's not that far behind as far as being good for Terran is concerned.
It's a great reaper map and the bases are very far apart, which means defending drops is a chore for Zerg. I like it better for Terran. It's okay for Zerg and unplayable for Protoss.
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On March 24 2016 21:24 Ej_ wrote:
Snute needs to win this though since Nerchio's ZvZ >>> Nerchio's ZvT
Are you actually sure, it will be C2 vs. D1, C1 vs. D2? The chinese production might draw it randomly again (1st places against 2nd places).
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On March 24 2016 21:29 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:24 Ej_ wrote:
Snute needs to win this though since Nerchio's ZvZ >>> Nerchio's ZvT Are you actually sure, it will be C2 vs. D1, C1 vs. D2? The chinese production might draw it randomly again (1st places against 2nd places).
It's what Nerchio said.
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On March 24 2016 21:05 breaker1328 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:03 Penev wrote:On March 24 2016 21:00 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 20:59 Penev wrote:
You need to eat healthy Artur.. Artur 4-0'd his group, such peasantries are beneath him. He would win GSL if he swore off fast food for sure, that's a fact and you know it Seriously, who goes to China and instead of eating Chinese food goes to McDonalds?
Usain Bolt.
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And now nobody has any workers left.
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how did Ulrena even make it to a bo3 TvZ
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On March 24 2016 21:39 Ej_ wrote:
how did Ulrena even make it to a bo3 TvZ
Snute vetoed Dusk and Orbital, which makes sense. MLorD vetoed Ruins and Prion, which I don't really agree with.
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Welp, there goes MLorD's tournament life. No WCS points for you.
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I do hope Blizz is going to make more games that don't look like a Disney cartoon
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On March 24 2016 21:46 Elentos wrote:
Welp, there goes MLorD's tournament life. No WCS points for you.
BLIZZARD LITERALLY KILLING ESPORTS! Oh wait...
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On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ...
Starts the same time as the playoffs which is 12pm local time/12am ET/6am CEST (Europe switches to summer time that day), full 24 maps must be played so length should be similar to 6 best of 5s. 6 maps, 4 match ups on each map, and every player must play 4 maps, each map winner takes $500.
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On March 24 2016 21:51 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ... Starts the same time as the playoffs which is 12pm local time/12am ET/6am CEST (Europe switches to summer time that day), full 24 maps must be played so length should be similar to 6 best of 5s. 6 maps, 4 match ups on each map, and every player must play 4 maps, each map winner takes $500.
6 AM on a Sunday? Will there be VODs? That's so unwatchable T_T
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Why are they running Star Wars commercials in the break? Some Sith in a mask. A monkey using force lighting etc.
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On March 24 2016 21:51 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ... Starts the same time as the playoffs which is 12pm local time/12am ET/6am CEST (Europe switches to summer time that day), full 24 maps must be played so length should be similar to 6 best of 5s. 6 maps, 4 match ups on each map, and every player must play 4 maps, each map winner takes $500.
Aaaah, 6 a.m. on Sunday :-(
Thanks for the info ...
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On March 24 2016 21:53 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:51 digmouse wrote:On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ... Starts the same time as the playoffs which is 12pm local time/12am ET/6am CEST (Europe switches to summer time that day), full 24 maps must be played so length should be similar to 6 best of 5s. 6 maps, 4 match ups on each map, and every player must play 4 maps, each map winner takes $500. 6 AM on a Sunday? Will there be VODs? That's so unwatchable T_T
I'll bug them to upload to youtube or somewhere, also pretty sure their twitch channel has archving enabled.
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On March 24 2016 22:02 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 21:53 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:51 digmouse wrote:On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ... Starts the same time as the playoffs which is 12pm local time/12am ET/6am CEST (Europe switches to summer time that day), full 24 maps must be played so length should be similar to 6 best of 5s. 6 maps, 4 match ups on each map, and every player must play 4 maps, each map winner takes $500. 6 AM on a Sunday? Will there be VODs? That's so unwatchable T_T I'll bug them to upload to youtube or somewhere, also pretty sure their twitch channel has archving enabled.
What will the international main stream be for Ro8 plus? Still the same one or an ESL one? Since Rotti and co will cast from then on.
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wtf was that build by Major
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MajOr got rekt harder than the stream feed this game.
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On March 24 2016 22:06 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:02 digmouse wrote:On March 24 2016 21:53 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:51 digmouse wrote:On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ... Starts the same time as the playoffs which is 12pm local time/12am ET/6am CEST (Europe switches to summer time that day), full 24 maps must be played so length should be similar to 6 best of 5s. 6 maps, 4 match ups on each map, and every player must play 4 maps, each map winner takes $500. 6 AM on a Sunday? Will there be VODs? That's so unwatchable T_T I'll bug them to upload to youtube or somewhere, also pretty sure their twitch channel has archving enabled. What will the international main stream be for Ro8 plus? Still the same one or an ESL one? Since Rotti and co will cast from then on.
From tomorrow English casts will be on https://www.twitch.tv/neotvbaoxue with full native production.
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So Snute is busting Major's natural, and he then calls down 3 MULES right there where Snute is attacking?
Ok... I mean sure he had almost no chance to comeback but if there is any way for Terran to comeback it is with the MULES, that certainly didn't help.
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Greedy greedy Major. Think he might scout this time?
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On March 24 2016 22:10 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:06 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 22:02 digmouse wrote:On March 24 2016 21:53 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:51 digmouse wrote:On March 24 2016 21:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 24 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 21:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When will they do the all-star matches? Sunday Do you know, will they announce some detailed info? 24 matches are quite a lot of matches ... it might take the whole day, so I am wondering when do they start ... Starts the same time as the playoffs which is 12pm local time/12am ET/6am CEST (Europe switches to summer time that day), full 24 maps must be played so length should be similar to 6 best of 5s. 6 maps, 4 match ups on each map, and every player must play 4 maps, each map winner takes $500. 6 AM on a Sunday? Will there be VODs? That's so unwatchable T_T I'll bug them to upload to youtube or somewhere, also pretty sure their twitch channel has archving enabled. What will the international main stream be for Ro8 plus? Still the same one or an ESL one? Since Rotti and co will cast from then on. From tomorrow English casts will be on https://www.twitch.tv/neotvbaoxue with full native production.
Okay, well I hope it'll be archived so I can watch it at reasonable EU times. Thanks.
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Snute is hungry for some tacos.
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Nerchio vs Snute in ro8, damn
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Well, Snute just earned an extra thousand bucks in a little less than ten minutes.
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On March 24 2016 19:58 Rehio wrote:
In my dream scenario, Puck beats Major to advance, Snute beats Marinelord and then Major to advance.
Snute, please win. That's most important. D:
Of secondary importance is Major losing, though.
Gotta say, though, I think Major might take it over Puck, unless there's some weird Protoss shit that happens. Which is entirely possible with Puck.
The dream scenario is achieved!
Snuuuuuuuuuute!
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ZParcraft tournament
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How the hell did Major even beat MLord? I only saw the games against Puck and Snute.
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F*ck MLorD eliminated, this mappool really terrible with the only decent maps easily vetoed.
I guess no T ro8 at 6am will be fun not to watch
Go Drogo I guess
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On March 24 2016 22:17 Jono7272 wrote:ZParcraft tournament
AKA foreign Starcraft.
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Damned, Snute vs. Nerchio, I hope, the loser will be revived against the Koreans ...
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On March 24 2016 22:18 Elentos wrote:AKA foreign Starcraft.
I thought the liberator was going to bring balance to the force
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On March 24 2016 22:18 Zetter wrote:
How the hell did Major even beat MLord? I only saw the games against Puck and Snute.
In the first game MLorD forgot combat shields. In the 2nd game he got kinda rekt by 2 tankivacs and 4 vikings so he was behind all game.
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i have a feeling Snute purposely got 2nd in the group to show Nerchio who has the better zvz.
Shots fired.
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This tournament's seeding is really unfortunate though. 3 of the 4 favourites get grouped together and now the 2 that are left end up in the Ro8.
Oh, well. At least Scarlett is in too, and watching a complete unknown like Sioras come in and wreck face is always fun.
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Well, another tournament where ro8 should be the finals
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On March 24 2016 22:19 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:18 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 22:17 Jono7272 wrote:ZParcraft tournament AKA foreign Starcraft. I thought the liberator was going to bring balance to the force
Polt forever best foreign Terran 
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On March 24 2016 22:19 Kaizor wrote:
i have a feeling Snute purposely got 2nd in the group to show Nerchio who has the better zvz.
Shots fired.
I think the player he didn't want to play the most was Nerchio. Really sucks for him now.
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On March 24 2016 22:19 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:18 Zetter wrote:
How the hell did Major even beat MLord? I only saw the games against Puck and Snute. In the first game MLorD forgot combat shields. In the 2nd game he got kinda rekt by 2 tankivacs and 4 vikings so he was behind all game.
Thanks, then Major apparently didn't have the opportunity to fuck up that badly those two games.
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On March 24 2016 22:22 Zetter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:19 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 22:18 Zetter wrote:
How the hell did Major even beat MLord? I only saw the games against Puck and Snute. In the first game MLorD forgot combat shields. In the 2nd game he got kinda rekt by 2 tankivacs and 4 vikings so he was behind all game. Thanks, then Major apparently didn't have the opportunity to fuck up that badly those two games.
Well he tried in that 2nd game. It was way closer than it should have been. It ended with MLorD on 32 SCVs and MajOr on 52 SCVs, but MLorD had twice the income.
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On March 24 2016 22:22 Zetter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:19 Elentos wrote:On March 24 2016 22:18 Zetter wrote:
How the hell did Major even beat MLord? I only saw the games against Puck and Snute. In the first game MLorD forgot combat shields. In the 2nd game he got kinda rekt by 2 tankivacs and 4 vikings so he was behind all game. Thanks, then Major apparently didn't have the opportunity to fuck up that badly those two games.
Yeah his weaknesses can't be easily exploited in TvT whereas his strengths shine, too bad.
In g2 Major vs MLorD, MLorD got really greedy with his raxes so he had almost no army to deal with the double tankivac + viking harass, got super behind because of it.
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Where dat snitch at?37072 Posts
No terran again? ...WTF is going on with SC2?
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On March 24 2016 22:32 Seeker wrote:
No terran again? ...WTF is going on with SC2?
Terran was designed for Koreans, now Blizzard banned them.
Something like that? .
Edit: But seriously, the only good chinese players are zergs and the two good terrans in the tounrment landed in the same group, which was also the hardest.
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On March 24 2016 22:32 Seeker wrote:
No terran again? ...WTF is going on with SC2?
Foreign Terrans are offline chokers. Really doesn't have much to do with the game. Also doesn't help that the best Terrans in the tournament were in the same group.
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On March 24 2016 22:32 Seeker wrote:
No terran again? ...WTF is going on with SC2?
Terrible "creative" mappool
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On March 24 2016 22:34 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:32 Seeker wrote:
No terran again? ...WTF is going on with SC2? Foreign Terrans are offline chokers. Really doesn't have much to do with the game. Also doesn't help that the best Terrans in the tournament were in the same group.
I still don't get it, why did not Polt come for the easy money ...
Everybody gets a Chinese visa, no questions asked. If he knows, where to get it. In Hong Kong, express visa for a fee in a few hours. Would be worth it.
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On March 24 2016 22:34 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:32 Seeker wrote:
No terran again? ...WTF is going on with SC2? Terrible "creative" mappool
I don't see what the map pool had to do with it at all. MajOr got all-inned and wasn't prepared, doesn't change with the maps; against puCK he got good maps and played terribly. MarineLorD lost 2 macro games to Snute, that didn't have a lot to do with the maps either, he even got good spawns on Lerilak.
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Are vods being posted anywhere for the tournament? Id rather not stay up super late to watch the ro8 and just watch vods later tomorrow
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On March 24 2016 22:34 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:32 Seeker wrote:
No terran again? ...WTF is going on with SC2? Terrible "creative" mappool
Terran has the best winrate across all 3 races in KR where the map pool is almost the same (save for GSL)
foreign terrans just suck
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and this is why marinelord is a bit overrated. he will never attend finals in anything :/
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Rofl, Sioras used Harstem's computer to study his replays when Harstem wasn't in the room.
He only got a warning though.
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On March 24 2016 23:34 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 22:34 Poopi wrote:On March 24 2016 22:32 Seeker wrote:
No terran again? ...WTF is going on with SC2? Terrible "creative" mappool Terran has the best winrate across all 3 races in KR where the map pool is almost the same (save for GSL) foreign terrans just suck
So I can say koreans Z/P just suck and then that means the mappool is indeed terrible? :D.
Where do you get that winrate from, I don't see much terrans in SSL or online cups, and if GSL is out because different mappool, that leaves proleague which is bo1 in teams, this has nothing to do with 1v1 tourneys.
I didn't see the decisive games of MLorD/MajOr today but looking at the results: lerilak is meh, central is bad, ulrena is terrible to meh depending on the build (Snute doesn't do FireCake stuff so it becomes meh I guess).
Major was exposed tho, it's not even choking it's just trying to get cheap tactically but harass heavy wins that did not work out because you can't get away with being inefficient at high lvl TvP (didn't see vs Snute but if it's against allins, he was already "lazy" in his defense at IEM).
It's almost like he would rather produce more stuff than micro his actual stuff, send his stuff in harass, rinse repeat until hopefully the opponent finally dies / has to all-in him in a bad position.
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On March 25 2016 00:53 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 23:34 Ej_ wrote:On March 24 2016 22:34 Poopi wrote:On March 24 2016 22:32 Seeker wrote:
No terran again? ...WTF is going on with SC2? Terrible "creative" mappool Terran has the best winrate across all 3 races in KR where the map pool is almost the same (save for GSL) foreign terrans just suck So I can say koreans Z/P just suck and then that means the mappool is indeed terrible? :D. Where do you get that winrate from, I don't see much terrans in SSL or online cups, and if GSL is out because different mappool, that leaves proleague which is bo1 in teams, this has nothing to do with 1v1 tourneys. I didn't see the decisive games of MLorD/MajOr today but looking at the results: lerilak is meh, central is bad, ulrena is terrible to meh depending on the build (Snute doesn't do FireCake stuff so it becomes meh I guess). Major was exposed tho, it's not even choking it's just trying to get cheap tactically but harass heavy wins that did not work out because you can't get away with being inefficient at high lvl TvP (didn't see vs Snute but if it's against allins, he was already "lazy" in his defense at IEM). It's almost like he would rather produce more stuff than micro his actual stuff, send his stuff in harass, rinse repeat until hopefully the opponent finally dies / has to all-in him in a bad position.
So you didn't watch the games and still blame the result of Snute vs MarineLorD entirely on the map pool?
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I don't blame the results, a question was asked in a manner that imply that terrans don't do well in general :"no terran... again??!" and my answer is that terrans are struggling in various tournaments mainly because of the mappool which isn't favorable for them in BoX because "on paper" they'll lose.
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Smart guy :-)))
Go Sioras, go!!!! :-)
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On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-)
Seriously, what's wrong with you?
How can you still root for the guy?
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On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy?
reminds me of that player from Azerbaijan who was facing Jaedong at WCG and switched in lobby last minute from Z to P so Jaedong thought he was playing vs a Zerg.
Then that guy got raped by a 1 hatch mutalisk build
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On March 25 2016 01:51 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? reminds me of that player from Azerbaijan who was facing Jaedong at WCG and switched in lobby last minute from Z to P so Jaedong thought he was playing vs a Zerg. Then that guy got raped by a 1 hatch mutalisk build
lmao, I hope Harstem desroys Sioras really hard too.
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On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy?
I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation.
When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen.
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On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen.
Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go".
And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there.
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On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there.
I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players.
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Really unfortunate for nerchio/snute, that match up could have been the finals
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On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players.
Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true.
Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear.
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On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear.
This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low.
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On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low.
SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think.
Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays.
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On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays.
OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS.
Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar.
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On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar.
It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays.
How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal".
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On March 25 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:
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Smart guy :-)))
Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays. How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal".
OK, I see. You did not read my post and are trying to argue about it. Nice.
EDIT: I meant "this WCS system is ridiculous", you answer "the most tournaments are related to WCS"
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On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar.
today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious
common sense being redefined right in this thread
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On March 25 2016 04:28 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:
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Smart guy :-)))
Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious common sense being redefined right in this thread
You must be really smart when you learnt this. I would be interested in your IQ. You know, the IQ is not split equally around the globe, When you are from a country with much lower average IQ than in the west, then those things that are common sense in the west are not common sense for you. This is also related to the criminality. If you don't understand, what is a criminal act and what consequences it can have for you, when you are caught, then you do it. When you understand it, you don't do it. Therefore the criminality level differs in different countries.
And actually, the criminality level in Ulanbatar is quite high.
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Why are you trolling your own country?
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On March 25 2016 04:22 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:
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Seriously, what's wrong with you?
How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays. How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal". OK, I see. You did not read my post and are trying to argue about it. Nice. EDIT: I meant "this WCS system is ridiculous", you answer "the most tournaments are related to WCS"
I know you think the WCS sytem is ridiculous, and maybe you meant to say it, but you didn't, so don't tell me I didn't read your post.
Besides, Sioras placed above several well-known Australian and New Zealander pros, it's not like the qualifier was an amateur bracket, and finished above 3 of the best non-Korean Asian players in his group. Which tells me that even if SEA was grouped with more Asian countries - besides Korea - he'd have had a chance to qualify. Alas, that's not the reality we live in so we'll have to make due.
On March 25 2016 04:33 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:28 Ej_ wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:
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Seriously, what's wrong with you?
How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious common sense being redefined right in this thread You must be really smart when you learnt this. I would be interested in your IQ. You know, the IQ is not split equally around the globe, When you are from a country with much lower average IQ than in the west, then those things that are common sense in the west are not common sense for you. This is also related to the criminality. If you don't understand, what is a criminal act and what consequences it can have for you, when you are caught, then you do it. When you understand it, you don't do it. Therefore the criminality level differs in different countries. And actually, the criminality level in Ulanbatar is quite high.
Incidentally, Mongolia has the 6th highest average IQ in the world.
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On March 25 2016 04:55 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:22 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:
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I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation.
When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays. How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal". OK, I see. You did not read my post and are trying to argue about it. Nice. EDIT: I meant "this WCS system is ridiculous", you answer "the most tournaments are related to WCS" I know you think the WCS sytem is ridiculous, and maybe you meant to say it, but you didn't, so don't tell me I didn't read your post. Besides, Sioras placed above several well-known Australian and New Zealander pros, it's not like the qualifier was an amateur bracket, and finished above 3 of the best non-Korean Asian players in his group. Which tells me that even if SEA was grouped with more Asian countries - besides Korea - he'd have had a chance to qualify. Alas, that's not the reality we live in so we'll have to make due. Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:33 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:28 Ej_ wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:
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I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation.
When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious common sense being redefined right in this thread You must be really smart when you learnt this. I would be interested in your IQ. You know, the IQ is not split equally around the globe, When you are from a country with much lower average IQ than in the west, then those things that are common sense in the west are not common sense for you. This is also related to the criminality. If you don't understand, what is a criminal act and what consequences it can have for you, when you are caught, then you do it. When you understand it, you don't do it. Therefore the criminality level differs in different countries. And actually, the criminality level in Ulanbatar is quite high. Incidentally, Mongolia has the 6th highest average IQ in the world.
OK. WCS is ridiculous, but our discussion is even more ridiculous. So enough for me.
For me, it was a "common sense" that when I wrote "I am laughing about this situation, that could not happen at a normal tournament", it was nothing against the Chinese organizers, but against the ridiculous system that lets progress to such high caliber tournament mediocre players. But you are right, Sioras has beaten several normal players, so he might actually qualify also to a normal tournament.
I can assure you, Mongolia does not have the 6th highest average IQ in the world. The whole research looks very reasonably and I trust its data, with the one exception of Mongolia. I spent quite some time there - they had a coal mine, where they were mining with a huge Russian mining machine, One day, there was an accident, the machine broke and killed a few mongol miners. But nobody knew, how the machine operates and how to repair it. In the past, it has been always maintained and repaired by Russian engineers, but those left after the dissolution of USSR. So, Mongolia did not try to repair it or hire foreign engineers. They closed the mine. That is the mongol "common sense". But anyway, Mongolia is still Asia and Asian countries have the highest IQs in the world, so they will not be so bad, the probably lack more the education than the IQ.
Nevertheless, when a player sits in a public space at an opponent's computer and watches there some replays, that does not show very high IQ or understanding, what happens, when somebody catches him. But I am not in Shanghai, I did not see the setup of their computer hall, I do not know, whether it is not a huge PC room with hundreds of PCs, where anybody can sit at any PC, and where Sioras might have though that Harstem left and the computer is free now, so he sits there and "luckily for him", Harstem did not log off from Battle.net. If this was the case, he is "guilty". If he was just sitting at Harstem's computer, where it was obvious that he will come back and will see him, then he is just "stupid".
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On March 25 2016 05:39 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:55 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 04:22 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:
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Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go".
And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays. How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal". OK, I see. You did not read my post and are trying to argue about it. Nice. EDIT: I meant "this WCS system is ridiculous", you answer "the most tournaments are related to WCS" I know you think the WCS sytem is ridiculous, and maybe you meant to say it, but you didn't, so don't tell me I didn't read your post. Besides, Sioras placed above several well-known Australian and New Zealander pros, it's not like the qualifier was an amateur bracket, and finished above 3 of the best non-Korean Asian players in his group. Which tells me that even if SEA was grouped with more Asian countries - besides Korea - he'd have had a chance to qualify. Alas, that's not the reality we live in so we'll have to make due. On March 25 2016 04:33 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:28 Ej_ wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:
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Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go".
And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious common sense being redefined right in this thread You must be really smart when you learnt this. I would be interested in your IQ. You know, the IQ is not split equally around the globe, When you are from a country with much lower average IQ than in the west, then those things that are common sense in the west are not common sense for you. This is also related to the criminality. If you don't understand, what is a criminal act and what consequences it can have for you, when you are caught, then you do it. When you understand it, you don't do it. Therefore the criminality level differs in different countries. And actually, the criminality level in Ulanbatar is quite high. Incidentally, Mongolia has the 6th highest average IQ in the world. + Show Spoiler +OK. WCS is ridiculous, but our discussion is even more ridiculous. So enough for me.
For me, it was a "common sense" that when I wrote "I am laughing about this situation, that could not happen at a normal tournament", it was nothing against the Chinese organizers, but against the ridiculous system that lets progress to such high caliber tournament mediocre players. But you are right, Sioras has beaten several normal players, so he might actually qualify also to a normal tournament.
I can assure you, Mongolia does not have the 6th highest average IQ in the world. The whole research looks very reasonably and I trust its data, with the one exception of Mongolia. I spent quite some time there - they had a coal mine, where they were mining with a huge Russian mining machine, One day, there was an accident, the machine broke and killed a few mongol miners. But nobody knew, how the machine operates and how to repair it. In the past, it has been always maintained and repaired by Russian engineers, but those left after the dissolution of USSR. So, Mongolia did not try to repair it or hire foreign engineers. They closed the mine. That is the mongol "common sense". But anyway, Mongolia is still Asia and Asian countries have the highest IQs in the world, so they will not be so bad, the probably lack more the education than the IQ.
Nevertheless, when a player sits in a public space at an opponent's computer and watches there some replays, that does not show very high IQ or understanding, what happens, when somebody catches him. But I am not in Shanghai, I did not see the setup of their computer hall, I do not know, whether it is not a huge PC room with hundreds of PCs, where anybody can sit at any PC, and where Sioras might have though that Harstem left and the computer is free now, so he sits there and "luckily for him", Harstem did not log off from Battle.net. If this was the case, he is "guilty". If he was just sitting at Harstem's computer, where it was obvious that he will come back and will see him, then he is just "stupid".
what if the mongolians problem from your personal experience was money or connection ? or even a political issue ?
anyway i don't understand how you guys went to an IQ discussion about a guy that behaved like this, he's maybe lying and he did it that on purpose, fully knowing that was wrong (huge gamble nonetheless)
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On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen.
No, they just throw games and get arrested. That's so professional.
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