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On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 00:42 Musicus wrote:
Rofl, Sioras used Harstem's computer to study his replays when Harstem wasn't in the room.
He only got a warning though.
Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen.
Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go".
And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there.
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On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there.
I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players.
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Really unfortunate for nerchio/snute, that match up could have been the finals
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On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players.
Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true.
Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear.
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On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear.
This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low.
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On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low.
SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think.
Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays.
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On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays.
OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS.
Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar.
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On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar.
It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays.
How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal".
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On March 25 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:
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Smart guy :-)))
Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays. How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal".
OK, I see. You did not read my post and are trying to argue about it. Nice.
EDIT: I meant "this WCS system is ridiculous", you answer "the most tournaments are related to WCS"
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On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar.
today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious
common sense being redefined right in this thread
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On March 25 2016 04:28 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:
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Smart guy :-)))
Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious common sense being redefined right in this thread
You must be really smart when you learnt this. I would be interested in your IQ. You know, the IQ is not split equally around the globe, When you are from a country with much lower average IQ than in the west, then those things that are common sense in the west are not common sense for you. This is also related to the criminality. If you don't understand, what is a criminal act and what consequences it can have for you, when you are caught, then you do it. When you understand it, you don't do it. Therefore the criminality level differs in different countries.
And actually, the criminality level in Ulanbatar is quite high.
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Why are you trolling your own country?
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On March 25 2016 04:22 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:
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Seriously, what's wrong with you?
How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays. How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal". OK, I see. You did not read my post and are trying to argue about it. Nice. EDIT: I meant "this WCS system is ridiculous", you answer "the most tournaments are related to WCS"
I know you think the WCS sytem is ridiculous, and maybe you meant to say it, but you didn't, so don't tell me I didn't read your post.
Besides, Sioras placed above several well-known Australian and New Zealander pros, it's not like the qualifier was an amateur bracket, and finished above 3 of the best non-Korean Asian players in his group. Which tells me that even if SEA was grouped with more Asian countries - besides Korea - he'd have had a chance to qualify. Alas, that's not the reality we live in so we'll have to make due.
On March 25 2016 04:33 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:28 Ej_ wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:
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Seriously, what's wrong with you?
How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious common sense being redefined right in this thread You must be really smart when you learnt this. I would be interested in your IQ. You know, the IQ is not split equally around the globe, When you are from a country with much lower average IQ than in the west, then those things that are common sense in the west are not common sense for you. This is also related to the criminality. If you don't understand, what is a criminal act and what consequences it can have for you, when you are caught, then you do it. When you understand it, you don't do it. Therefore the criminality level differs in different countries. And actually, the criminality level in Ulanbatar is quite high.
Incidentally, Mongolia has the 6th highest average IQ in the world.
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On March 25 2016 04:55 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:22 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:
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I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation.
When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays. How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal". OK, I see. You did not read my post and are trying to argue about it. Nice. EDIT: I meant "this WCS system is ridiculous", you answer "the most tournaments are related to WCS" I know you think the WCS sytem is ridiculous, and maybe you meant to say it, but you didn't, so don't tell me I didn't read your post. Besides, Sioras placed above several well-known Australian and New Zealander pros, it's not like the qualifier was an amateur bracket, and finished above 3 of the best non-Korean Asian players in his group. Which tells me that even if SEA was grouped with more Asian countries - besides Korea - he'd have had a chance to qualify. Alas, that's not the reality we live in so we'll have to make due. Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:33 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:28 Ej_ wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:
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I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation.
When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen. Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go". And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious common sense being redefined right in this thread You must be really smart when you learnt this. I would be interested in your IQ. You know, the IQ is not split equally around the globe, When you are from a country with much lower average IQ than in the west, then those things that are common sense in the west are not common sense for you. This is also related to the criminality. If you don't understand, what is a criminal act and what consequences it can have for you, when you are caught, then you do it. When you understand it, you don't do it. Therefore the criminality level differs in different countries. And actually, the criminality level in Ulanbatar is quite high. Incidentally, Mongolia has the 6th highest average IQ in the world.
OK. WCS is ridiculous, but our discussion is even more ridiculous. So enough for me.
For me, it was a "common sense" that when I wrote "I am laughing about this situation, that could not happen at a normal tournament", it was nothing against the Chinese organizers, but against the ridiculous system that lets progress to such high caliber tournament mediocre players. But you are right, Sioras has beaten several normal players, so he might actually qualify also to a normal tournament.
I can assure you, Mongolia does not have the 6th highest average IQ in the world. The whole research looks very reasonably and I trust its data, with the one exception of Mongolia. I spent quite some time there - they had a coal mine, where they were mining with a huge Russian mining machine, One day, there was an accident, the machine broke and killed a few mongol miners. But nobody knew, how the machine operates and how to repair it. In the past, it has been always maintained and repaired by Russian engineers, but those left after the dissolution of USSR. So, Mongolia did not try to repair it or hire foreign engineers. They closed the mine. That is the mongol "common sense". But anyway, Mongolia is still Asia and Asian countries have the highest IQs in the world, so they will not be so bad, the probably lack more the education than the IQ.
Nevertheless, when a player sits in a public space at an opponent's computer and watches there some replays, that does not show very high IQ or understanding, what happens, when somebody catches him. But I am not in Shanghai, I did not see the setup of their computer hall, I do not know, whether it is not a huge PC room with hundreds of PCs, where anybody can sit at any PC, and where Sioras might have though that Harstem left and the computer is free now, so he sits there and "luckily for him", Harstem did not log off from Battle.net. If this was the case, he is "guilty". If he was just sitting at Harstem's computer, where it was obvious that he will come back and will see him, then he is just "stupid".
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On March 25 2016 05:39 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 04:55 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 04:22 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:
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Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go".
And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. It's called common sense because it's based on logic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you're not supposed to access the PC of someone else and watch the replays. How many big tournaments can you name that are not related to WCS this year? And how many of those even have separate qualifiers for separate regions at all? Yes, last year SEA would have probably been grouped with Korea for online qualifiers, but that system is gone so there's no point in calling it "normal". OK, I see. You did not read my post and are trying to argue about it. Nice. EDIT: I meant "this WCS system is ridiculous", you answer "the most tournaments are related to WCS" I know you think the WCS sytem is ridiculous, and maybe you meant to say it, but you didn't, so don't tell me I didn't read your post. Besides, Sioras placed above several well-known Australian and New Zealander pros, it's not like the qualifier was an amateur bracket, and finished above 3 of the best non-Korean Asian players in his group. Which tells me that even if SEA was grouped with more Asian countries - besides Korea - he'd have had a chance to qualify. Alas, that's not the reality we live in so we'll have to make due. On March 25 2016 04:33 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:28 Ej_ wrote:On March 25 2016 04:13 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 04:04 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2016 03:56 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 03:03 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 02:03 Diabolique wrote:On March 25 2016 01:59 Musicus wrote:
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Okay, thanks for explaining, because it's really hard to get that from "Smart guy, go Sioras go".
And saying that it would never happen if only top players were at the event is stupid, since unsportsmanlike behaviour is not related to experience or skill. Otherwise we would have no matchfixing problems in Korea. Not everything is so great there. I mean, I believe Sioras, if he is saying that he did not know, that this is not "legal". I do not think, any Korean would do it in a public space with the risk of being seen. Therefore, that would never happen in a tournament with the top players. Well just because you think that, it does not make it true. But let's say it's true. Even if WCS was not region locked, the SEA region would still get a slot and Sioras would still have been at the tournament. Even if SEA would not longer get a slot, there would still be open brackets tournaments wher non-top players would appear. This is the first offline tournament for Sioras, right? If this was a normal tournament, SEA region would not have a specific slot. They would have a qualifier together with some other Asian countries and the probability that an amateur, who was not on any other tournament before, would get through, would be very low. SEA has separate qualifiers for all WCS-related tournaments this year I think. Nevertheless, it's common fucking sense that you're not allowed to go to someone's PC and check out their replays. OMG. Yes. This is exactly what I was saying. SEA has separate qualifiers FOR WCS RELATED TOURNAMENTS. Well, if you are at your first tournament, you have no idea what is common fucking sense. Usually, you learn to understand that on your first low level tournament in suburbs of Ulanbatar. today I learned: going into someone's else computer and probably using his b.net account is not necessarily seen as malicious common sense being redefined right in this thread You must be really smart when you learnt this. I would be interested in your IQ. You know, the IQ is not split equally around the globe, When you are from a country with much lower average IQ than in the west, then those things that are common sense in the west are not common sense for you. This is also related to the criminality. If you don't understand, what is a criminal act and what consequences it can have for you, when you are caught, then you do it. When you understand it, you don't do it. Therefore the criminality level differs in different countries. And actually, the criminality level in Ulanbatar is quite high. Incidentally, Mongolia has the 6th highest average IQ in the world. + Show Spoiler +OK. WCS is ridiculous, but our discussion is even more ridiculous. So enough for me.
For me, it was a "common sense" that when I wrote "I am laughing about this situation, that could not happen at a normal tournament", it was nothing against the Chinese organizers, but against the ridiculous system that lets progress to such high caliber tournament mediocre players. But you are right, Sioras has beaten several normal players, so he might actually qualify also to a normal tournament.
I can assure you, Mongolia does not have the 6th highest average IQ in the world. The whole research looks very reasonably and I trust its data, with the one exception of Mongolia. I spent quite some time there - they had a coal mine, where they were mining with a huge Russian mining machine, One day, there was an accident, the machine broke and killed a few mongol miners. But nobody knew, how the machine operates and how to repair it. In the past, it has been always maintained and repaired by Russian engineers, but those left after the dissolution of USSR. So, Mongolia did not try to repair it or hire foreign engineers. They closed the mine. That is the mongol "common sense". But anyway, Mongolia is still Asia and Asian countries have the highest IQs in the world, so they will not be so bad, the probably lack more the education than the IQ.
Nevertheless, when a player sits in a public space at an opponent's computer and watches there some replays, that does not show very high IQ or understanding, what happens, when somebody catches him. But I am not in Shanghai, I did not see the setup of their computer hall, I do not know, whether it is not a huge PC room with hundreds of PCs, where anybody can sit at any PC, and where Sioras might have though that Harstem left and the computer is free now, so he sits there and "luckily for him", Harstem did not log off from Battle.net. If this was the case, he is "guilty". If he was just sitting at Harstem's computer, where it was obvious that he will come back and will see him, then he is just "stupid".
what if the mongolians problem from your personal experience was money or connection ? or even a political issue ?
anyway i don't understand how you guys went to an IQ discussion about a guy that behaved like this, he's maybe lying and he did it that on purpose, fully knowing that was wrong (huge gamble nonetheless)
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On March 25 2016 01:55 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:On March 25 2016 01:40 Diabolique wrote:Smart guy :-))) Go Sioras, go!!!! :-) Seriously, what's wrong with you? How can you still root for the guy? I am not rooting for him, I am just laughing about the situation. When you have a professional tournament with the top players, something like this would never happen. When you have a tournament, where an amateur with no competition experience can come that far, that is saying something about the level of players in that tournament. And then, things like that can happen.
No, they just throw games and get arrested. That's so professional.
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