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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
March 03 2016 20:59 GMT
#1561
On March 04 2016 05:55 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:54 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Polt v Hydra finals inc.
Who woulda thought?

something something Soularion jk I know power rank isn't a predictor

I genuinely thought - and I still think - Polt vs Hydra won't be the finals. Hydra looked pretty mortal vs Happy, and Polt still has big tests ahead of him in FireCake and Nerchio. Polt vs Hydra might be the finals, but it's definitely not guaranteed yet.
Writermaru pls
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2016 20:59 GMT
#1562
On March 04 2016 05:56 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:54 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:50 Aocowns wrote:
ZvT looks so stupid now, why cant we just go back to the actually good match up of muta/ling/bane vs bio/mine or bio/tank

TBH I hated watching it. Splits or no splits, it just looked like an endless stream of bio vs. an endless stream of lings. Watching actual big units die is much more satisfying imo.

it regressed from multitask heavy games to F2+A

Not at all. Liberator splitting is way more fun to watch than marine splitting.

splitting isn't a synonym to multitasking
"fun to watch" isn't a synonym to "fun to play"

I play neither Terran nor Zerg so I really don't have a stake in how fun TvZ is to play. All I know is that it looks a lot more interesting, and less people whine about it than my favorite style from HotS (slow mech pushes).

From a Protoss perspective, all three matchups are infinitely more fun. Especially PvP. I liked it before but it TvT was a chess match, PvP is now blitz chess.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
March 03 2016 20:59 GMT
#1563
On March 04 2016 05:58 holzofenbrot wrote:
I think Marinelord would have won easily if he got Banshee speed before he threw them all away to kill drones. Maybe even snipe Spire?


I feel banshee speed upgrade is pretty unexplored in general right now. It feels like there could be a mid-game timing where you can rather safely harass with banshees and at least force excessive static defense. Maybe even play a style not dissimilar to Oracle openers where you really, really want to preserve some early game banshees to get mid-game value out of them instead of the common Terran strategy of throwing them away.
Wat
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2658 Posts
March 03 2016 21:00 GMT
#1564
On March 04 2016 05:46 Faefae wrote:
this comp is just bad, you can't kill corrupter, he needs some groud units


But ground mech sucks balls, right now is either mass marine+medivac or die.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 21:01:21
March 03 2016 21:01 GMT
#1565
On March 04 2016 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:50 Aocowns wrote:
ZvT looks so stupid now, why cant we just go back to the actually good match up of muta/ling/bane vs bio/mine or bio/tank

TBH I hated watching it. Splits or no splits, it just looked like an endless stream of bio vs. an endless stream of lings. Watching actual big units die is much more satisfying imo.

When 2 good players matched up it looked fucking awesome if you knew what went into it and how intense the match up was, both tactically and mechanically

I find it much harder to see the difference between a fantastic player and a mediocre player when its all about weird maps and weird compositions that play out chaotically and unpredictably, or stuff that forces the game into weird one off scenarios and shit
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
March 03 2016 21:01 GMT
#1566
They lost their best players. Beside the one that has the highest average offline tournament placements in LotV.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
magicallypuzzled
Profile Joined June 2011
United States588 Posts
March 03 2016 21:01 GMT
#1567
hey we now have only 2 terrans left I guess the caster were just able to see the future.
is depressed
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 03 2016 21:02 GMT
#1568
On March 04 2016 05:59 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:58 holzofenbrot wrote:
I think Marinelord would have won easily if he got Banshee speed before he threw them all away to kill drones. Maybe even snipe Spire?


I feel banshee speed upgrade is pretty unexplored in general right now. It feels like there could be a mid-game timing where you can rather safely harass with banshees and at least force excessive static defense. Maybe even play a style not dissimilar to Oracle openers where you really, really want to preserve some early game banshees to get mid-game value out of them instead of the common Terran strategy of throwing them away.


The fusion core tech requirement and a 200/200 96 second cost make it a tough sell for the mid-game. You'd rather go liberator range most of the time.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 03 2016 21:02 GMT
#1569
OK time to actually play the game
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 03 2016 21:03 GMT
#1570
On March 04 2016 06:01 magicallypuzzled wrote:
hey we now have only 2 terrans left I guess the caster were just able to see the future.


I'd like to believe that they meant Polt had advanced on and there was only MLord and Masa left in the ro16.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
March 03 2016 21:03 GMT
#1571
On March 04 2016 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:56 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:54 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:50 Aocowns wrote:
ZvT looks so stupid now, why cant we just go back to the actually good match up of muta/ling/bane vs bio/mine or bio/tank

TBH I hated watching it. Splits or no splits, it just looked like an endless stream of bio vs. an endless stream of lings. Watching actual big units die is much more satisfying imo.

it regressed from multitask heavy games to F2+A

Not at all. Liberator splitting is way more fun to watch than marine splitting.

splitting isn't a synonym to multitasking
"fun to watch" isn't a synonym to "fun to play"

I play neither Terran nor Zerg so I really don't have a stake in how fun TvZ is to play. All I know is that it looks a lot more interesting, and less people whine about it than my favorite style from HotS (slow mech pushes).

From a Protoss perspective, all three matchups are infinitely more fun. Especially PvP. I liked it before but it TvT was a chess match, PvP is now blitz chess.

I mean sure it looks more interesting to weekend fans that enjoy the weird one-off scenarios that this shit forces you to play, but that is not at all a good reward for sacrificing consistent high level competition
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2016 21:03 GMT
#1572
On March 04 2016 06:01 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:50 Aocowns wrote:
ZvT looks so stupid now, why cant we just go back to the actually good match up of muta/ling/bane vs bio/mine or bio/tank

TBH I hated watching it. Splits or no splits, it just looked like an endless stream of bio vs. an endless stream of lings. Watching actual big units die is much more satisfying imo.

When 2 good players matched up it looked fucking awesome if you knew what went into it and how intense the match up was, both tactically and mechanically

I find it much harder to see the difference between a fantastic player and a mediocre player when its all about weird maps and weird compositions that play out chaotically and unpredictably, or stuff that forces the game into weird one off scenarios and shit

There's only so much tactical and mechanical prowess that can make 1/6 of the game interesting when it involves the same 6-7 units fighting in the same way for 10-20 minutes per game. At least Ultralisks and Thors mixed it up a bit in the lategame.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
March 03 2016 21:03 GMT
#1573
On March 04 2016 06:00 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:46 Faefae wrote:
this comp is just bad, you can't kill corrupter, he needs some groud units


But ground mech sucks balls, right now is either mass marine+medivac or die.

Also for the record, the more ground units he makes, the weaker his air army gets, and therefore the more ground units he makes, the more he risks losing the air fight and dying to broodlords.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
March 03 2016 21:04 GMT
#1574
On March 04 2016 05:58 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:57 showstealer1829 wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:54 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Polt v Hydra finals inc.
Who woulda thought?


So....how long till they're banned from WCS too?

maybe we get Nerchio vs Neeb or Snute and everyone goes crazy

Snute will not make it to the next round. He is far too inconsistent. It would be awesome for him to shine though.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2016 21:05 GMT
#1575
On March 04 2016 06:03 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:56 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:54 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:50 Aocowns wrote:
ZvT looks so stupid now, why cant we just go back to the actually good match up of muta/ling/bane vs bio/mine or bio/tank

TBH I hated watching it. Splits or no splits, it just looked like an endless stream of bio vs. an endless stream of lings. Watching actual big units die is much more satisfying imo.

it regressed from multitask heavy games to F2+A

Not at all. Liberator splitting is way more fun to watch than marine splitting.

splitting isn't a synonym to multitasking
"fun to watch" isn't a synonym to "fun to play"

I play neither Terran nor Zerg so I really don't have a stake in how fun TvZ is to play. All I know is that it looks a lot more interesting, and less people whine about it than my favorite style from HotS (slow mech pushes).

From a Protoss perspective, all three matchups are infinitely more fun. Especially PvP. I liked it before but it TvT was a chess match, PvP is now blitz chess.

I mean sure it looks more interesting to weekend fans that enjoy the weird one-off scenarios that this shit forces you to play, but that is not at all a good reward for sacrificing consistent high level competition

I disagree. I think now it's a lot more to do with things like positioning and unit composition over pure mechanical ability, which in a strategy game is a good thing.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 03 2016 21:05 GMT
#1576
On March 04 2016 06:01 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:50 Aocowns wrote:
ZvT looks so stupid now, why cant we just go back to the actually good match up of muta/ling/bane vs bio/mine or bio/tank

TBH I hated watching it. Splits or no splits, it just looked like an endless stream of bio vs. an endless stream of lings. Watching actual big units die is much more satisfying imo.

When 2 good players matched up it looked fucking awesome if you knew what went into it and how intense the match up was, both tactically and mechanically

I find it much harder to see the difference between a fantastic player and a mediocre player when its all about weird maps and weird compositions that play out chaotically and unpredictably, or stuff that forces the game into weird one off scenarios and shit


Yeah, series like Innovation vs DongRaeGu or Maru vs Life probably won't come as often with this "survive until ultras"-metagame.

Still it's fun to see it still being explored. Would love two high level koreans battle it out using this mass air style.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 03 2016 21:05 GMT
#1577
On March 04 2016 06:04 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:58 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:57 showstealer1829 wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:54 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Polt v Hydra finals inc.
Who woulda thought?


So....how long till they're banned from WCS too?

maybe we get Nerchio vs Neeb or Snute and everyone goes crazy

Snute will not make it to the next round. He is far too inconsistent. It would be awesome for him to shine though.

I'm pretty sure he beats MaSa and he can beat viOLet. He still has a good chance imo.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
March 03 2016 21:06 GMT
#1578
On March 04 2016 06:04 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 05:58 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:57 showstealer1829 wrote:
On March 04 2016 05:54 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Polt v Hydra finals inc.
Who woulda thought?


So....how long till they're banned from WCS too?

maybe we get Nerchio vs Neeb or Snute and everyone goes crazy

Snute will not make it to the next round. He is far too inconsistent. It would be awesome for him to shine though.

His opponent is MaSa though. MaSa is so significant he doesn't even count as an actual Terran.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
March 03 2016 21:06 GMT
#1579
On March 04 2016 06:03 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 06:01 magicallypuzzled wrote:
hey we now have only 2 terrans left I guess the caster were just able to see the future.


I'd like to believe that they meant Polt had advanced on and there was only MLord and Masa left in the ro16.

You'd like to but then you remember they said there's 3 Terrans left before Polt played vs Dayshi.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
March 03 2016 21:06 GMT
#1580
mass air is on a timer against vipers just like bio is on a timer against ultras.

bio can go ghosts/liberators though, while air terran has nothing left to pull out of the hat
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