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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 15:12:59
March 02 2016 15:12 GMT
#561
On March 03 2016 00:11 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:07 Soularion wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:05 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:03 ArtyK wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:01 Schelim wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:00 Soularion wrote:
On March 02 2016 23:57 Schelim wrote:
On March 02 2016 23:55 Soularion wrote:
by the way

I'm predicting 2/3 koreigners drop out before the Ro8~

there's only 3 Koreans in the whole tournament...

As in 2 out of 3, yus.

lol, i totally read foreigners. fair enough.

i guess looking at the bracket it does seem possible only Hydra makes it to RO8

you favor Dayshi over Polt ?


I think Polt has a better chance of going ro8 than hydra

yeah me too

i haven't been paying attention to the sc2 scene too much lately but i was under the impression Hydra was an actual Korean Korean and Polt has only been playing part-time and it's been showing? also, if Hydra beats Happy, he's up against an American so he's basically ro8 at that point.

Do note, both Neeb and Kelazhur have taken sets (Neeb in a much more important place, albeit) off Hydra in the past month or so. I actually predict an upset over Hydra, and viOLet's.. odd, while Polt should be able to make the Ro8 albeit I'll predict in sloppy fashion.

i'll take you guys' words for it, interested to hear Polt is fulltime again btw, did he not like his studies?

i have no clue who Neeb and Kelthuzad are, but i saw their nationalities and automatically wrote them off tbh. good for NA scene if they're good. i know Happy's been killing, but he always does that online and then goes full potato offline. trust someone that's been following him since war3 on that one.

Neeb is really really good. And Kelazhur is no joke either when he's on form.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
March 02 2016 15:12 GMT
#562
On March 03 2016 00:08 RaFox17 wrote:
Does any Z ground army beat that composition?


Pure ground? Not sure, you need some infestors and have a big bank for a huge ling remax.

But PiG needed to sprinkle his hydra/lurker army with 6~8 brood lords.
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
March 02 2016 15:12 GMT
#563
On March 03 2016 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:10 Musicus wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Kinda funny how Protoss were complaining how Lurkers are unbeatable on the ground at the start of LotV .

To be fair I thought the same. Going immortals vs lurkers seemed kinda counter intuitive


Completely agree! It just shows that everybody should just calm down and give the game half a year of competitive play to get figured out.

definitely !!! The game feels amazing both to play and watch atm, just let people tamper with it.

Still not sure if it is good that immortals wreck everything Z on the ground :/ Feels like shit design.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
March 02 2016 15:13 GMT
#564
On March 03 2016 00:12 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:10 Musicus wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Kinda funny how Protoss were complaining how Lurkers are unbeatable on the ground at the start of LotV .

To be fair I thought the same. Going immortals vs lurkers seemed kinda counter intuitive


Completely agree! It just shows that everybody should just calm down and give the game half a year of competitive play to get figured out.

definitely !!! The game feels amazing both to play and watch atm, just let people tamper with it.

Still not sure if it is good that immortals wreck everything Z on the ground :/ Feels like shit design.


if the Z does stuff it's way harder for the P to go for 16 immortals. Like the 1st aggression from PiG was that drop ling at min 10 or something...
Zest fanboy.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
March 02 2016 15:14 GMT
#565
On March 03 2016 00:12 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:10 Musicus wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Kinda funny how Protoss were complaining how Lurkers are unbeatable on the ground at the start of LotV .

To be fair I thought the same. Going immortals vs lurkers seemed kinda counter intuitive


Completely agree! It just shows that everybody should just calm down and give the game half a year of competitive play to get figured out.

definitely !!! The game feels amazing both to play and watch atm, just let people tamper with it.

Still not sure if it is good that immortals wreck everything Z on the ground :/ Feels like shit design.


IF PiG wasnt so far behind a ton of cracklings + runbys actually do wonders, you just have to look at Serral's ZvP
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 15:15:33
March 02 2016 15:14 GMT
#566
On March 03 2016 00:12 fezvez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:08 RaFox17 wrote:
Does any Z ground army beat that composition?


Pure ground? Not sure, you need some infestors and have a big bank for a huge ling remax.

But PiG needed to sprinkle his hydra/lurker army with 6~8 brood lords.

yeah infestors not on move command are key, and if you can get some brood lords you're in a solid spot, especially with the insane cracklings. The key is getting the hive tech and it can be pretty hard if the P is good at harassing.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 02 2016 15:15 GMT
#567
On March 03 2016 00:12 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:10 Musicus wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Kinda funny how Protoss were complaining how Lurkers are unbeatable on the ground at the start of LotV .

To be fair I thought the same. Going immortals vs lurkers seemed kinda counter intuitive


Completely agree! It just shows that everybody should just calm down and give the game half a year of competitive play to get figured out.

definitely !!! The game feels amazing both to play and watch atm, just let people tamper with it.

Still not sure if it is good that immortals wreck everything Z on the ground :/ Feels like shit design.

Immortals destroy pretty much every ground unit of every race, so at least they're consistent.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
March 02 2016 15:15 GMT
#568
On March 03 2016 00:12 fezvez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:08 RaFox17 wrote:
Does any Z ground army beat that composition?


Pure ground? Not sure, you need some infestors and have a big bank for a huge ling remax.

But PiG needed to sprinkle his hydra/lurker army with 6~8 brood lords.

just casually sprinkle a tech tier and like 2000 gas in there lol

seriously though, infestors are quite good against immortal adept chargelot imo, i expect to see more of them if protoss keeps playing this way
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 02 2016 15:15 GMT
#569
On March 03 2016 00:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:09 sAsImre wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:08 opisska wrote:
They have reverted Immortals back to WoL beta on warpgate? I can't understand how someone made 16 Immortals in an actual robo?!


2 robo producing almost non stop. Immortals are good against every ground Z unit now.

yeah everyone goes double robo nowadays. It's pretty good.


Interesting. I have somehow managed to almost completely skip PvZ of all matchups lately, so I haven't seem much. Last time I saw someone going immortal-archon against lurkers, it did not go very well though ... probably it just got figured out better.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
March 02 2016 15:15 GMT
#570
On March 03 2016 00:12 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:10 Musicus wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Kinda funny how Protoss were complaining how Lurkers are unbeatable on the ground at the start of LotV .

To be fair I thought the same. Going immortals vs lurkers seemed kinda counter intuitive


Completely agree! It just shows that everybody should just calm down and give the game half a year of competitive play to get figured out.

definitely !!! The game feels amazing both to play and watch atm, just let people tamper with it.

Still not sure if it is good that immortals wreck everything Z on the ground :/ Feels like shit design.


The thing is - if zerg doesn't do anything aggressive early on - you need immortals. Chargelots alone or blink stalkers alone can't do anything, you need some tech units. Either immortals or distruptors, which aren't so reliable so the answer why we see double robo immortal is pretty obvious.
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
March 02 2016 15:16 GMT
#571
On March 03 2016 00:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:12 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:10 Musicus wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Kinda funny how Protoss were complaining how Lurkers are unbeatable on the ground at the start of LotV .

To be fair I thought the same. Going immortals vs lurkers seemed kinda counter intuitive


Completely agree! It just shows that everybody should just calm down and give the game half a year of competitive play to get figured out.

definitely !!! The game feels amazing both to play and watch atm, just let people tamper with it.

Still not sure if it is good that immortals wreck everything Z on the ground :/ Feels like shit design.

Immortals destroy pretty much every ground unit of every race, so at least they're consistent.

I can appreciate that
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
March 02 2016 15:17 GMT
#572
wtf huk
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
TL+ Member
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 02 2016 15:17 GMT
#573
Wow the banelings worked after all
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 02 2016 15:17 GMT
#574
On March 03 2016 00:15 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 00:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:09 sAsImre wrote:
On March 03 2016 00:08 opisska wrote:
They have reverted Immortals back to WoL beta on warpgate? I can't understand how someone made 16 Immortals in an actual robo?!


2 robo producing almost non stop. Immortals are good against every ground Z unit now.

yeah everyone goes double robo nowadays. It's pretty good.


Interesting. I have somehow managed to almost completely skip PvZ of all matchups lately, so I haven't seem much. Last time I saw someone going immortal-archon against lurkers, it did not go very well though ... probably it just got figured out better.

For having played the P side a lot on the ladder, I can tell you immortal chargelot archon usually gets vaporized when done out of 1 robo but can absolutely dominate when done out of 2. The double robo idea is actually pretty new (maybe 1,5 month ?).
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 02 2016 15:17 GMT
#575
That was some top 3 control
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 02 2016 15:17 GMT
#576
Banelings in PvZ, what did the world come to.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
March 02 2016 15:17 GMT
#577
On March 03 2016 00:17 opisska wrote:
Banelings in PvZ, what did the world come to.


the lotv trailer
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 02 2016 15:18 GMT
#578
HUK!!!! Fantastic play!
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Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
March 02 2016 15:18 GMT
#579
sucks that a few good players are gonna get knocked out with nothing and one of these 2 will advance
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 02 2016 15:18 GMT
#580
On March 03 2016 00:18 Shellshock wrote:
HUK!!!! Fantastic play!

I can't really tell if HuK is playing that good or if PiG is helping him a bit too much.
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