EPTit still produces that sweet sweet karma... sometimes
[GSL] Code A Season 1 2016 - Day 8 - Page 43
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Please keep the balance whine down, guys. Discussion's fine, whine is not. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
it still produces that sweet sweet karma... sometimes | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
I remember an awful lot of salt about parade pushing up till drg/curious beat innovation. I contributed to that salt. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:40 HellHound wrote: just mass thor wins due to supply efficiency So do mass tanks at 200/200 not that it matters 30 full upgrade hellbats can kill 1k lings with a move clearly hellbat is imbalanced and should be removed right? Finally someone said it, remove hellbats | ||
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HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote: The most funny thing about the whole whine is, that TvZ or PvT looks balanced based on numbers. And everybody is insanely about both MU. But PvZ numbers are fucked up and "nobody" cares. Sure, I can see how people are concerned about balance, hell no, they are not when they ignore this pit of despair by "lets give player some time to discover PvZ". Why this attitude cannot work for adepts or ultras is way beyond me... Because it affects terran I don't think adepts could be figured out tho there are only so many factors in the early game  | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9403 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:29 Soularion wrote: I agree with Scarlett's thoughts. TvZ is balanced, might be an amazing-er matchup if ultras are nerfed but let's wait and see if terrans can find a way around it first. Worst case, it's not like it's imba or anything. Terrans can still win, and win easily. I hate this "find a way around it" logic. Let me make a counterexample, where we assume Mauraders get +50 damage during the beta. And now the game is released and Mauruaders dominate everything, and I respond by "let's wait to we see Zergs and protosses find a way to beat it. Oh and btw, I am not gonna give you any exact deadline for zergs and protosses, your just gonna have to suffer like until I change my mind." No stupid shit is stupid shit. Ultralisks are an unfun a-move unit that never should have received better battle stats, but instead should have been slightly faster off-creep (does anyone enjoy being kited forever?) And it's not about win/rate in the matchup. If zerg wants other compensation buffs that's fine, but Ultralisks with their +2 armor is not the way to "balance" a matchup. We can also look at this logically. Ghosts is the only real counter to Ultralisks. However, with Fungal growth the skillcap is on the Zerg side since the projectile speed is fast enough. If anything, I believe Zergs will be better at winning late game regardless of how good the terran ghost control is. | ||
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Elentos
55554 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:39 OtherWorld wrote: I mean I thought ByuN was the new Terran god in LotV along with TYgod Well ByuN said he thinks TY is the best player in the world right now. Which means ByuN can logically not be our Terran god. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
yes, and bring back warhound | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:40 HellHound wrote: just mass thor wins due to supply efficiency So do mass tanks at 200/200 not that it matters 30 full upgrade hellbats can kill 1k lings with a move clearly hellbat is imbalanced and should be removed right? Marine,zealot,zergling counter Thor because usually thor alway in low number but if you can make a 200 supply pure thor then you don't even need hellbat. Same case with immortal. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:42 deacon.frost wrote: Isn't BW balanced by maps and the game is rather imbalanced? you can't separate game balance from map balance | ||
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HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:41 bo1b wrote: I remember an awful lot of salt about parade pushing up till drg/curious beat innovation. I contributed to that salt. I guess we can take this as a lesson that there's too many whine bitches so you should make an effort not to be tough bitches rather than whiny. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:42 deacon.frost wrote: Isn't BW balanced by maps and the game is rather imbalanced? maps are part of the game and balance. SC2 is also only balanced by maps, try to play the game when you don't have a single ramp entrance or your starting position is not next to resources.  | ||
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HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:42 seemsgood wrote: Marine,zealot,zergling counter Thor because usually thor alway in low number but if you can make a 200 supply pure thor then you don't even need hellbat. Same case with immortal. What's your point? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Nerf Thors | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:43 HellHound wrote: I guess we can take this as a lesson that there's too many whine bitches so you should make an effort not to be tough bitches rather than whiny. Thanks for the lesson. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Also i'm so RILED UP because I have class and can't watch Maru. mkofjqzemlkdfj I hope he goes through to Code S. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
Just saying. | ||
Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:40 Wintex wrote: The problem is, adepts literally made opening as T impossibly narrow and limited the game. A lategame issue can always be beaten if previous stuff has gone well, and there's more time to try develop a counter in the game. Another point to made is that BL-infestor actively won games no matter how behind the zerg was, while ultras only work as a 'free win' (read: if the zerg plays well, and if the terran's options are either not taken/don't quite work) if the zerg is ahead. | ||
Olli
Austria24420 Posts
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