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On February 03 2016 20:36 Ghanburighan wrote:
As we're in downtime discussion mode. I actually would like ghost design explored. The way that snipe works is weird both against Z and P, and it's extinct versus T. It doesn't really need to be stronger per se, but rather less gimmicky.
i agree, the ghost and cyclone could definitely use some quality of life kind of changes, not a power increase but some kind of ease of use changes would be awesome
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I wish Ghost snipes weren't channeled, bring back the old Snipe. I still remember MVP hotkeying snipe hotkey to mousewheel and spamming them against JulyZerg in GSL ages ago to annihilate the ultras.
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On February 03 2016 20:37 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Discussion's fine, but whine is quicker. Getting banned is slow with liquor.
Yeah I thought of that while writing the mod note I guess I gotta take my tears to reddit then
literally bringing water to the ocean
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On February 03 2016 20:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:36 bo1b wrote:On February 03 2016 20:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Discussion's fine, but whine is quicker. Getting banned is slow with liquor.
Yeah I thought of that while writing the mod note Your poetry is inspirational. It's Ozzy ;(
To be fair thats in the upper bounds of what I expected out of a protoss player.
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On February 03 2016 20:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:36 bo1b wrote:On February 03 2016 20:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Discussion's fine, but whine is quicker. Getting banned is slow with liquor.
Yeah I thought of that while writing the mod note Your poetry is inspirational. It's Ozzy ;(
but but
if you get banned you drown your banrage in alcohol, so why is getting banned slow with liquor?
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Austria24417 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:
lol ByuN getting rekt
still no logic in SC2
> play Curious in Code A
> be Code A
Looks fine to me?
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time for 'logan' to wipe the floor with billowy
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On February 03 2016 20:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:
lol ByuN getting rekt
still no logic in SC2 > play Curious in Code A > be Code A Looks fine to me?
I mean I thought ByuN was the new Terran god in LotV along with TYgod
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On February 03 2016 20:36 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:33 Musicus wrote:On February 03 2016 20:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 03 2016 20:28 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On February 03 2016 20:27 fezvez wrote:On February 03 2016 20:25 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
should probably
have 1 less armor honestly
but the matchup overall is pretty balanced Yeah, agreed. No need to make a drastic difference like revert the LotV buff like some claim yea even 1 less armor doubles the damage a marine does to them when both fully upgraded I feel like they'd need to make adjustments to early/midgame if they nerfed zerg lategame. Byun would have ripped Curious apart if zerg wasn't so powerful at hive tech, and that's with Curious playing really well. Not sure yet if ultras are too strong though, they might be. I'd love to see it tested. I think TvZ is so exciting, but once upgraded Ultras are out, unless the Terran is massively ahead the excitement is gone. Make the armor upgrade +3 and see where it goes. You can always buff zerg midgame if needed. tankivac removed would make zerg midgame stronger :D
I don't see how tankivac is at all a problem when they never show up if zergs just to mutas. Tankivac pretty much is the only option terrans have against roach ravager, and is pretty rewarding of the micro. Like honestly, there were 0 tankivacs in the muta games.
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I've heard good things about protoss changes. Don't let me down pls.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:33 Soularion wrote:On February 03 2016 20:30 ecnahc wrote:On February 03 2016 20:29 Soularion wrote:
I agree with Scarlett's thoughts. TvZ is balanced, might be an amazing-er matchup if ultras are nerfed but let's wait and see if terrans can find a way around it first. Worst case, it's not like it's imba or anything. Terrans can still win, and win easily. people need to take this attitude towards all of the balance whine, just fucking play the game if you enjoy it and stop if it's making you grind your teeth Some balance whine is justified. I think adepts were hella gross, and I think BL-infestor was hella gross, but this is not either of those things. I'm entirely sure terrans will find an answer to it, so just let the game evolve naturally, guys. It's not like ultras being strong are costing us awesome games, judging from this goddamn series! i heard the exact same things being said about BL/infestor and adepts. just let the game evolve...
The most funny thing about the whole whine is, that TvZ or PvT looks balanced based on numbers. And everybody is insanely about both MU. But PvZ numbers are fucked up and "nobody" cares.
Sure, I can see how people are concerned about balance, hell no, they are not when they ignore this pit of despair by "lets give player some time to discover PvZ". Why this attitude cannot work for adepts or ultras is way beyond me...
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On February 03 2016 20:38 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 03 2016 20:36 bo1b wrote:On February 03 2016 20:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Discussion's fine, but whine is quicker. Getting banned is slow with liquor.
Yeah I thought of that while writing the mod note Your poetry is inspirational. It's Ozzy ;( To be fair thats in the upper bounds of what I expected out of a protoss player.
Less chill than T players
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Austria24417 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:39 bo1b wrote:
I've heard good things about protoss changes. Don't let me down pls.
Billowy may not be the perfect guy to put your hopes in
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On February 03 2016 20:27 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:26 Quay wrote:
I really don't see how to beat that apart from being ahead by a large margin. I see even the best terrans struggle with this matchup to the point where they just give it up. Late game tvz is just imbalanced at the moment. Terrans doing better now then zerg did in 2013 at least.
Zerg did fine in 2013.
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On February 03 2016 20:33 fezvez wrote:
Question : is there a terran unit/comp which can fight ultras head on?
Like, simple scenario : 200/200 of ground terran units (pre-split, whatever you want) vs 200/00 of ultras. Both side 1A against each other.
I was thinking mass thors with tanks behind?
just mass thor wins due to supply efficiency
So do mass tanks at 200/200 not that it matters
30 full upgrade hellbats can kill 1k lings with a move clearly hellbat is imbalanced and should be removed right?
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On February 03 2016 20:39 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 03 2016 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:
lol ByuN getting rekt
still no logic in SC2 > play Curious in Code A > be Code A Looks fine to me? I mean I thought ByuN was the new Terran god in LotV along with TYgod
gatekeeper > god
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On February 03 2016 20:38 yoshi245 wrote:
I wish Ghost snipes weren't channeled, bring back the old Snipe. I still remember MVP hotkeying snipe hotkey to mousewheel and spamming them against JulyZerg in GSL ages ago to annihilate the ultras.
Old ghost destroy everything living not only ultra.
I rather bring snipe back in HOTS and find another solution more holding position because terran.
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billowy? ffs why didnt anyone stop this kid from choosing a name like that
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On February 03 2016 20:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:33 Soularion wrote:On February 03 2016 20:30 ecnahc wrote:On February 03 2016 20:29 Soularion wrote:
I agree with Scarlett's thoughts. TvZ is balanced, might be an amazing-er matchup if ultras are nerfed but let's wait and see if terrans can find a way around it first. Worst case, it's not like it's imba or anything. Terrans can still win, and win easily. people need to take this attitude towards all of the balance whine, just fucking play the game if you enjoy it and stop if it's making you grind your teeth Some balance whine is justified. I think adepts were hella gross, and I think BL-infestor was hella gross, but this is not either of those things. I'm entirely sure terrans will find an answer to it, so just let the game evolve naturally, guys. It's not like ultras being strong are costing us awesome games, judging from this goddamn series! i heard the exact same things being said about BL/infestor and adepts. just let the game evolve...
The problem is, adepts literally made opening as T impossibly narrow and limited the game.
A lategame issue can always be beaten if previous stuff has gone well, and there's more time to try develop a counter in the game.
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