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On February 03 2016 20:25 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:24 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Terrans really cant stop the whining. People don't like exciting games ending with an Ultra amove where Zerg point-and-clicks 2 spells and Terran does a gazillion things at once just to die less hard
Yeah, first and the last game was great to watch early on(Ling, bling, muta, infestor vs liberator, mine, marine thor) until the ultras come to roflstomp over the terran army  There was nothing strategic or micro intensive, simple a move to most recent terran base
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I agree with Scarlett's thoughts. TvZ is balanced, might be an amazing-er matchup if ultras are nerfed but let's wait and see if terrans can find a way around it first. Worst case, it's not like it's imba or anything. Terrans can still win, and win easily.
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A countdown for the break... the technology has returned. I'm so proud of you Afreeca.
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On February 03 2016 20:27 Phredxor wrote:
Jesus the salt is strong in here. People forget that Byun won a BO5 against Zerg like 2 days ago? He just got outplayed.
tvz overall probably isn't imbalanced but once ultras pop out the game is over and design-wise that's really bad.
Of course terran has good options to kill them before
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On February 03 2016 20:28 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:27 fezvez wrote:On February 03 2016 20:25 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
should probably
have 1 less armor honestly
but the matchup overall is pretty balanced Yeah, agreed. No need to make a drastic difference like revert the LotV buff like some claim yea even 1 less armor doubles the damage a marine does to them when both fully upgraded
I feel like they'd need to make adjustments to early/midgame if they nerfed zerg lategame. Byun would have ripped Curious apart if zerg wasn't so powerful at hive tech, and that's with Curious playing really well.
Not sure yet if ultras are too strong though, they might be.
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On February 03 2016 20:28 Sif_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:25 ecnahc wrote:On February 03 2016 20:25 Wintex wrote:
guys come on he didn't just win because of the ultras, curious defended a lot of pushes well to even survive you can't stop the whine in the LR sadly game shouldnt play out like that..... they were DEAD EVEN, trading left and right...as soon as ultra cavern and +3 armor upgraded finished curious simply stalled....Byun attacked top center base? sack it and expand on bottom. rinse and repeat until you have a handful of ultras and then its on auto pilot until its over
He lost a fight and had 30 scvs with less bases lol. Dead even is a strong word.
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On February 03 2016 20:29 Soularion wrote:
I agree with Scarlett's thoughts. TvZ is balanced, might be an amazing-er matchup if ultras are nerfed but let's wait and see if terrans can find a way around it first. Worst case, it's not like it's imba or anything. Terrans can still win, and win easily.
people need to take this attitude towards all of the balance whine, just fucking play the game if you enjoy it and stop if it's making you grind your teeth
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On February 03 2016 20:25 Sif_ wrote:
Seriously, if only ultras had some cool micro or a different mechanic.......but its just dumb that a unit can just walk forward and trample over anything on AN EVEN GAME WHERE BYUN WAS PRESSURING ALL THE TIMEEEE
Was not an even game, byun had a worse economy the whole game
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why did they cut that AOA ad? Nothing goes right today
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One of the best macro zergs in the game wins 3:2 in a matchup Dream said was 7:3 in favor of Terran and the LR is full of whine.
Never change, Terran players.
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All the people w/ terran icons be like "ultras op"
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On February 03 2016 20:31 Noonius wrote:
why did they cut that AOA ad? Nothing goes right today
#blamesonic
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@DLO
Look, I know it's not anti Protoss whine but you might want put the notification back up 
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On February 03 2016 20:31 Ej_ wrote:
One of the best macro zergs in the game wins 3:2 in a matchup Dream said was 7:3 in favor of Terran and the LR is full of whine.
Never change, Terran players.
Nah man, curious forgot how to be a fucking beast in this matchup post lotv.
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On February 03 2016 20:31 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 03 2016 20:28 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On February 03 2016 20:27 fezvez wrote:On February 03 2016 20:25 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
should probably
have 1 less armor honestly
but the matchup overall is pretty balanced Yeah, agreed. No need to make a drastic difference like revert the LotV buff like some claim yea even 1 less armor doubles the damage a marine does to them when both fully upgraded I feel like they'd need to make adjustments to early/midgame if they nerfed zerg lategame. Byun would have ripped Curious apart if zerg wasn't so powerful at hive tech, and that's with Curious playing really well. Not sure yet if ultras are too strong though, they might be. Look, I know it's not anti Protoss whine but you might want put the notification back up
Suddenly you like it? 
Wasn't even me who put it up!
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On February 03 2016 20:30 ecnahc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:29 Soularion wrote:
I agree with Scarlett's thoughts. TvZ is balanced, might be an amazing-er matchup if ultras are nerfed but let's wait and see if terrans can find a way around it first. Worst case, it's not like it's imba or anything. Terrans can still win, and win easily. people need to take this attitude towards all of the balance whine, just fucking play the game if you enjoy it and stop if it's making you grind your teeth
Some balance whine is justified. I think adepts were hella gross, and I think BL-infestor was hella gross, but this is not either of those things. I'm entirely sure terrans will find an answer to it, so just let the game evolve naturally, guys. It's not like ultras being strong are costing us awesome games, judging from this goddamn series!
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Question : is there a terran unit/comp which can fight ultras head on?
Like, simple scenario : 200/200 of ground terran units (pre-split, whatever you want) vs 200/00 of ultras. Both side 1A against each other.
I was thinking mass thors with tanks behind?
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On February 03 2016 20:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 20:28 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On February 03 2016 20:27 fezvez wrote:On February 03 2016 20:25 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
should probably
have 1 less armor honestly
but the matchup overall is pretty balanced Yeah, agreed. No need to make a drastic difference like revert the LotV buff like some claim yea even 1 less armor doubles the damage a marine does to them when both fully upgraded I feel like they'd need to make adjustments to early/midgame if they nerfed zerg lategame. Byun would have ripped Curious apart if zerg wasn't so powerful at hive tech, and that's with Curious playing really well. Not sure yet if ultras are too strong though, they might be.
I'd love to see it tested. I think TvZ is so exciting, but once upgraded Ultras are out, unless the Terran is massively ahead the excitement is gone. Make the armor upgrade +3 and see where it goes. You can always buff zerg midgame if needed.
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I am OK with A move non sense unit because ultra always be like that at the first beginning.It just need more counter than nerf imo.
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