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Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
January 29 2016 11:18 GMT
#301
q about game 1, how do terrans beat storm tempest?
yo
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
January 29 2016 11:18 GMT
#302
On January 29 2016 20:17 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 20:16 Lexender wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:09 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 29 2016 19:57 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 29 2016 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
The thing is that terran could have died at pretty much any point. Now it's simply an even game^^


It didn't really feel like he could die at any point, I thought his defense was tight. And we shouldn't forget Classic is better than jjakji.

I don't know, if classic did a little bit better with his harass and his attack (especially his attack) he would have been quite ahead imo.
We can assume that Classic is the better player because of their hots feats, but that's really just an assumption tbh. (not that i would disagree with the statement)


I don't know how you do better with harass against that build, assuming there isn't mistakes from the terran.

And no we think Classic is the better player because he has better results, has shown better games for longer against a better opposition. We can also observe the game and see jjakji make a lot more mistakes than Classic did (eating every storm at Classic's natural with the 4 liberator 3 medivac attack, forget the two medivacs behind Classic's base for the tempest, eat all the storm at the key engage...) If we can't even say Classic is better than jjakji we can never say a protoss is better than a terran.


We could say the same thing about Byun, by HotS standards he is a way worst player than almost everybody hes played against (parting form example) so no, you cant say Classic is better than Jjakji just because hots results.


Which is why I also mentioned LotV, like precisely the game we just saw? Come on guys.

I think at Blizzcon Artosis kept going on about how underrated Classic is considering what a beast he is, and he said that next year at Blizzcon people will still underrate Classic. Looks like he was right .
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
January 29 2016 11:19 GMT
#303
Classic attacks into convex and storms his way to victory ..GG
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 29 2016 11:19 GMT
#304
Poll: Recommend Classic vs jjakji Game 2

Good Game (10)
 
71%

Meh Game (2)
 
14%

Excellent Game (1)
 
7%

Bad Game (1)
 
7%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Classic vs jjakji Game 2

(Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game

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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2971 Posts
January 29 2016 11:19 GMT
#305
He's no TY, that's for certain. Just roll over and die in game3 jjakji.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
January 29 2016 11:20 GMT
#306
On January 29 2016 20:15 Big J wrote:
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On January 29 2016 20:11 Salteador Neo wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:09 Big J wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:07 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:05 Big J wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:02 HellHound wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:00 deacon.frost wrote:
And we're back into "Protoss cannot defend multiple bases"? Please no

It's very difficult to defend your bases in the bottom right corner of the map when you move your entire army in the top left corner of the map.

Maybe we should make warpgates be able to warp in cannons to address this issue.


Yeah, you'd basically need a spell that can teleport your whole army to a base.

Well you need to leave the unit at home to overcharge pylons

Return the arbiter, remove MSC


I'm still waiting for players to realize how broken 50 energy recall is.


If MSC was fast enough to follow the army all the way to the enemy base, I'm sure all protoss would use it.

As it stands, MSC is better of defending against liberator harass, considering those things can't shoot at pylons.


I don't really see this interaction at all past 7-8mins. None of the liberators last game were defended with an MsC.


I know, I think we didn't even see the MSC most game lol. I was just talking in general, not about that specific game.
Revolutionist fan
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 29 2016 11:20 GMT
#307
On January 29 2016 20:19 Topdoller wrote:
Classic attacks into convex and storms his way to victory ..GG

jjakji lost a big part of his army doing nothing.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
January 29 2016 11:20 GMT
#308
On January 29 2016 20:17 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 20:16 Arvendilin wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:13 Pandemona wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:11 Musicus wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:10 Pandemona wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:07 Musicus wrote:
Hey Pande, I made this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/503047-community-feedback-update-january-29 for you!

News'd it



I'm a bit slow on stuff these days, having to do like 4 peoples job because they all died. Like anyone remember Lorning? he left me so i have to do all LRs and make them all. On top of that i have to sell tyres or i got not monies haha

I'm with you on the no monies part

Hmmm maybe you should try to get a disciple and teach them the ways of the LR? :0

I for one have no idea how one would properly set one up thats not complete dogshit

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/339146-sc2-lr-resources?page=93
All the LRs are pre made, it just becomes a copy paste exercise for whoever wants to do it for said day.
Hit the quote button, copy it all, create new thread in tournament section. Copy out the red text and use it as thread name (just to help us keep everything the same). Update the op with who wins and the maps. Add polls for recommend games and you are good. Literally just filling in the blank exercise as i can always do the pre made OPs for everyone

If you want to try you can try one of the Pro League matches next week if you want as im always around and can help out too. As we split each pro league match into an individual thread

Hmm that does sound relatively easy indeed :D

I will try it if an opportunity arrises, generally have university tho so probably would only be able to weekends
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
January 29 2016 11:20 GMT
#309
those 5 pylon cannons right before the victory screen pretty much sums up protoss

also, jjakji got screwed with the patch release
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
January 29 2016 11:20 GMT
#310
On January 29 2016 20:18 Killmouse wrote:
q about game 1, how do terrans beat storm tempest?

you need to zone HTs with ranged upgrade liberator so tempest can't get support from ground when attack liberator.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12298 Posts
January 29 2016 11:21 GMT
#311
On January 29 2016 20:18 Killmouse wrote:
q about game 1, how do terrans beat storm tempest?


Jjakji had a pretty good idea of that didn't he? At some point Classic wasn't mining at all and had only his first two nexus left. I'm pretty sure he had the game won if he didn't engage the way he did at the end. At the very least you can just continue not to engage and go kill buildings, there's no way Classic wins a base trade from that point on.
No will to live, no wish to die
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 29 2016 11:21 GMT
#312
On January 29 2016 20:16 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 20:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:09 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 29 2016 19:57 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 29 2016 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
The thing is that terran could have died at pretty much any point. Now it's simply an even game^^


It didn't really feel like he could die at any point, I thought his defense was tight. And we shouldn't forget Classic is better than jjakji.

I don't know, if classic did a little bit better with his harass and his attack (especially his attack) he would have been quite ahead imo.
We can assume that Classic is the better player because of their hots feats, but that's really just an assumption tbh. (not that i would disagree with the statement)


I don't know how you do better with harass against that build, assuming there isn't mistakes from the terran.

And no we think Classic is the better player because he has better results, has shown better games for longer against a better opposition. We can also observe the game and see jjakji make a lot more mistakes than Classic did (eating every storm at Classic's natural with the 4 liberator 3 medivac attack, forget the two medivacs behind Classic's base for the tempest, eat all the storm at the key engage...) If we can't even say Classic is better than jjakji we can never say a protoss is better than a terran.

You don't think he could have killed more workers than 7? The whole point of this is to kill workers, adepts two shot workers, he did a pretty BAD job at killing workers
This isn't about terran or protoss. It's just that it's a new game, results in hots only matter so much.


Against that build I don't know that you can kill a lot of workers if the terran doesn't mess up, no. Against a build like Bomber's vs Seed of course 7 is terrible.

I don't agree that he couldn't have executed that better tbh. But whatever, Classic probably is just the better player.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
January 29 2016 11:21 GMT
#313
it's pretty fucked up when terran has to bunker his 1st and 2nd mineral line as well as 2 bunkers at the front to not get fucked by adept
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
January 29 2016 11:21 GMT
#314
How would you do the stars for the polls?
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 29 2016 11:21 GMT
#315
On January 29 2016 20:20 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 20:17 Pandemona wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:16 Arvendilin wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:13 Pandemona wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:11 Musicus wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:10 Pandemona wrote:
On January 29 2016 20:07 Musicus wrote:
Hey Pande, I made this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/503047-community-feedback-update-january-29 for you!

News'd it



I'm a bit slow on stuff these days, having to do like 4 peoples job because they all died. Like anyone remember Lorning? he left me so i have to do all LRs and make them all. On top of that i have to sell tyres or i got not monies haha

I'm with you on the no monies part

Hmmm maybe you should try to get a disciple and teach them the ways of the LR? :0

I for one have no idea how one would properly set one up thats not complete dogshit

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/339146-sc2-lr-resources?page=93
All the LRs are pre made, it just becomes a copy paste exercise for whoever wants to do it for said day.
Hit the quote button, copy it all, create new thread in tournament section. Copy out the red text and use it as thread name (just to help us keep everything the same). Update the op with who wins and the maps. Add polls for recommend games and you are good. Literally just filling in the blank exercise as i can always do the pre made OPs for everyone

If you want to try you can try one of the Pro League matches next week if you want as im always around and can help out too. As we split each pro league match into an individual thread

Hmm that does sound relatively easy indeed :D

I will try it if an opportunity arrises, generally have university tho so probably would only be able to weekends

Yeah no worries, if you ever have time to do one just make the thread. If i have time i make them 24 hours before the first game starts, if not i wait until last 30minutes and post it when i figure no one else is xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
January 29 2016 11:22 GMT
#316
On January 29 2016 20:20 Noonius wrote:
those 5 pylon cannons right before the victory screen pretty much sums up protoss

also, jjakji got screwed with the patch release


The patch wasn't released yet.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
January 29 2016 11:22 GMT
#317
On January 29 2016 20:21 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 20:18 Killmouse wrote:
q about game 1, how do terrans beat storm tempest?


Jjakji had a pretty good idea of that didn't he? At some point Classic wasn't mining at all and had only his first two nexus left. I'm pretty sure he had the game won if he didn't engage the way he did at the end. At the very least you can just continue not to engage and go kill buildings, there's no way Classic wins a base trade from that point on.


Yeah Temptest/HT is pretty damn slow, so that's the way to go. If Jjakji didn't stand in storms and lose half his army he had a very good chance of winning the first game.
Mangooza
Profile Joined November 2015
89 Posts
January 29 2016 11:22 GMT
#318
On January 29 2016 20:22 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 20:20 Noonius wrote:
those 5 pylon cannons right before the victory screen pretty much sums up protoss

also, jjakji got screwed with the patch release


The patch wasn't released yet.

That's why he is screwed...
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 29 2016 11:22 GMT
#319
So reapers or the funky proxy ghost strat?
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
January 29 2016 11:22 GMT
#320
Jjakji forgot how good classic is in defend again drop back in HOTS.
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