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One thing is sure, the ZvP tomorrow will be a lot better than this...
Still happy for soO, time to train some more though^^
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On January 22 2016 19:27 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:24 Penev wrote:On January 22 2016 19:21 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 19:18 Tsubbi wrote:
zerg defense: drone pulling, spore cancelling, surround, queen from base to base and back, zerglings
protoss defense: OVERCHARGE It's not like every T1 unit is slower than ling except for shade and stalker and every t1 unit is slower than speedling. And it's not like Protoss needs a perfect wall otherwise they're dead. C'mon, I hate pylon cannons too, but be reasonable. I think everyone at this point understands it's a band aid for bad design It's also terrible for the Protoss image. Whether reasonable or not, even some P are saying the cannon is just stupid. And it makes pro players look like they can only press one button while their opponent T and Z have clearly visible micro that viewers see and appreciate. It's like a bad Hollywood movie where one the one hand you have the crafty underdog and against him is a black and red wearing ogre with a big club.
I'm protoss and I don't like Overcharge at all (same with Adepts  ), but at the same time I know protoss needs PO to even stay alive. Wish we could get real fixes instead of bandaids like that~~
But at the same time, no matter how many skillfull moves Protoss'd make in a game, he would still receive hate for just being Protoss. Happens on ladder too, when I outplay my opponents all game long, having obs everywhere, harrasing and attacking in few places while also defending and all I get is 'nice race you have there" to put it mildly.
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I'm so jealous of that little kid! My parents never took me to GSL games when I was like 8 
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On January 22 2016 19:31 Arvendilin wrote:I'm so jealous of that little kid! My parents never took me to GSL games when I was like 8
well to be fair to your parents it's half a world away and unless you're 14 GSL didn't exist back then ;P
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On January 22 2016 19:31 Arvendilin wrote:I'm so jealous of that little kid! My parents never took me to GSL games when I was like 8
its their fault it is not you playing against dear now!
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On January 22 2016 19:30 OsaX Nymloth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:27 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2016 19:24 Penev wrote:On January 22 2016 19:21 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 19:18 Tsubbi wrote:
zerg defense: drone pulling, spore cancelling, surround, queen from base to base and back, zerglings
protoss defense: OVERCHARGE It's not like every T1 unit is slower than ling except for shade and stalker and every t1 unit is slower than speedling. And it's not like Protoss needs a perfect wall otherwise they're dead. C'mon, I hate pylon cannons too, but be reasonable. I think everyone at this point understands it's a band aid for bad design It's also terrible for the Protoss image. Whether reasonable or not, even some P are saying the cannon is just stupid. And it makes pro players look like they can only press one button while their opponent T and Z have clearly visible micro that viewers see and appreciate. It's like a bad Hollywood movie where one the one hand you have the crafty underdog and against him is a black and red wearing ogre with a big club. I'm protoss and I don't like Overcharge at all (same with Adepts ), but at the same time I know protoss needs PO to even stay alive. Wish we could get real fixes instead of bandaids like that~~ But at the same time, no matter how many skillfull moves Protoss'd make in a game, he would still receive hate for just being Protoss. Happens on ladder too, when I outplay my opponents all game long, having obs everywhere, harrasing and attacking in few places while also defending and all I get is 'nice race you have there" to put it mildly.
There was a time when this wasn't the case, though. Remember how Rain played at his peak? Everyone appreciated that. Too bad the game has been patched away from a situation where that was viable.
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On January 22 2016 19:27 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:26 Elentos wrote:
I think Trust could have won every game. I think soO could have won every game.
I mean, I could have also said a better player would have won every game from the positions Trust was in.
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On January 22 2016 19:30 OsaX Nymloth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:27 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2016 19:24 Penev wrote:On January 22 2016 19:21 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 19:18 Tsubbi wrote:
zerg defense: drone pulling, spore cancelling, surround, queen from base to base and back, zerglings
protoss defense: OVERCHARGE It's not like every T1 unit is slower than ling except for shade and stalker and every t1 unit is slower than speedling. And it's not like Protoss needs a perfect wall otherwise they're dead. C'mon, I hate pylon cannons too, but be reasonable. I think everyone at this point understands it's a band aid for bad design It's also terrible for the Protoss image. Whether reasonable or not, even some P are saying the cannon is just stupid. And it makes pro players look like they can only press one button while their opponent T and Z have clearly visible micro that viewers see and appreciate. It's like a bad Hollywood movie where one the one hand you have the crafty underdog and against him is a black and red wearing ogre with a big club. I'm protoss and I don't like Overcharge at all (same with Adepts ), but at the same time I know protoss needs PO to even stay alive. Wish we could get real fixes instead of bandaids like that~~ But at the same time, no matter how many skillfull moves Protoss'd make in a game, he would still receive hate for just being Protoss. Happens on ladder too, when I outplay my opponents all game long, having obs everywhere, harrasing and attacking in few places while also defending and all I get is 'nice race you have there" to put it mildly.
When I play zerg Everyone whines about race, When I play terran everyone whines about race, When I play protoss everyone whines about protoss, Also I get called faggot a lot :D
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On January 22 2016 19:32 dNa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:31 Arvendilin wrote:I'm so jealous of that little kid! My parents never took me to GSL games when I was like 8 well to be fair to your parents it's half a world away and unless you're 14 GSL didn't exist back then ;P
It didn't... BUT STILL!!!
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On January 22 2016 19:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:27 HellHound wrote:On January 22 2016 19:26 Elentos wrote:
I think Trust could have won every game. I think soO could have won every game. I mean, I could have also said a better player would have won every game from the positions Trust was in.
And a better zerg wouldn't have gotten himself in such positions :D what's your point tho
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On January 22 2016 19:33 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:30 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On January 22 2016 19:27 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2016 19:24 Penev wrote:On January 22 2016 19:21 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 19:18 Tsubbi wrote:
zerg defense: drone pulling, spore cancelling, surround, queen from base to base and back, zerglings
protoss defense: OVERCHARGE It's not like every T1 unit is slower than ling except for shade and stalker and every t1 unit is slower than speedling. And it's not like Protoss needs a perfect wall otherwise they're dead. C'mon, I hate pylon cannons too, but be reasonable. I think everyone at this point understands it's a band aid for bad design It's also terrible for the Protoss image. Whether reasonable or not, even some P are saying the cannon is just stupid. And it makes pro players look like they can only press one button while their opponent T and Z have clearly visible micro that viewers see and appreciate. It's like a bad Hollywood movie where one the one hand you have the crafty underdog and against him is a black and red wearing ogre with a big club. I'm protoss and I don't like Overcharge at all (same with Adepts ), but at the same time I know protoss needs PO to even stay alive. Wish we could get real fixes instead of bandaids like that~~ But at the same time, no matter how many skillfull moves Protoss'd make in a game, he would still receive hate for just being Protoss. Happens on ladder too, when I outplay my opponents all game long, having obs everywhere, harrasing and attacking in few places while also defending and all I get is 'nice race you have there" to put it mildly. There was a time when this wasn't the case, though. Remember how Rain played at his peak? Everyone appreciated that. Too bad the game has been patched away from a situation where that was viable.
I miss Rain
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On January 22 2016 19:33 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:30 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On January 22 2016 19:27 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2016 19:24 Penev wrote:On January 22 2016 19:21 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 19:18 Tsubbi wrote:
zerg defense: drone pulling, spore cancelling, surround, queen from base to base and back, zerglings
protoss defense: OVERCHARGE It's not like every T1 unit is slower than ling except for shade and stalker and every t1 unit is slower than speedling. And it's not like Protoss needs a perfect wall otherwise they're dead. C'mon, I hate pylon cannons too, but be reasonable. I think everyone at this point understands it's a band aid for bad design It's also terrible for the Protoss image. Whether reasonable or not, even some P are saying the cannon is just stupid. And it makes pro players look like they can only press one button while their opponent T and Z have clearly visible micro that viewers see and appreciate. It's like a bad Hollywood movie where one the one hand you have the crafty underdog and against him is a black and red wearing ogre with a big club. I'm protoss and I don't like Overcharge at all (same with Adepts ), but at the same time I know protoss needs PO to even stay alive. Wish we could get real fixes instead of bandaids like that~~ But at the same time, no matter how many skillfull moves Protoss'd make in a game, he would still receive hate for just being Protoss. Happens on ladder too, when I outplay my opponents all game long, having obs everywhere, harrasing and attacking in few places while also defending and all I get is 'nice race you have there" to put it mildly. There was a time when this wasn't the case, though. Remember how Rain played at his peak? Everyone appreciated that. Too bad the game has been patched away from a situation where that was viable.
I actually don't think that is true. Protoss always was the unwanted child in sc2, i said this time and time again but i really think it's mostly about the aesthetics of 200 supply protoss armies/forcefields/etc
It looks bad and unbalanced even if it isn't. Add questionable design choices to that which snowball the game very fast and you get the protoss appreciation we have right now.
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On January 22 2016 19:37 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:35 Elentos wrote:On January 22 2016 19:27 HellHound wrote:On January 22 2016 19:26 Elentos wrote:
I think Trust could have won every game. I think soO could have won every game. I mean, I could have also said a better player would have won every game from the positions Trust was in. And a better zerg wouldn't have gotten himself in such positions :D what's your point tho
That Trust carelessly wasted one of 2 chances to play in Code S this year.
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How do I get AoA to deliver chicken to me? Oo
TvT Hype!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No idea who is better atm...
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On January 22 2016 19:38 OsaX Nymloth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:33 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2016 19:30 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On January 22 2016 19:27 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2016 19:24 Penev wrote:On January 22 2016 19:21 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 19:18 Tsubbi wrote:
zerg defense: drone pulling, spore cancelling, surround, queen from base to base and back, zerglings
protoss defense: OVERCHARGE It's not like every T1 unit is slower than ling except for shade and stalker and every t1 unit is slower than speedling. And it's not like Protoss needs a perfect wall otherwise they're dead. C'mon, I hate pylon cannons too, but be reasonable. I think everyone at this point understands it's a band aid for bad design It's also terrible for the Protoss image. Whether reasonable or not, even some P are saying the cannon is just stupid. And it makes pro players look like they can only press one button while their opponent T and Z have clearly visible micro that viewers see and appreciate. It's like a bad Hollywood movie where one the one hand you have the crafty underdog and against him is a black and red wearing ogre with a big club. I'm protoss and I don't like Overcharge at all (same with Adepts ), but at the same time I know protoss needs PO to even stay alive. Wish we could get real fixes instead of bandaids like that~~ But at the same time, no matter how many skillfull moves Protoss'd make in a game, he would still receive hate for just being Protoss. Happens on ladder too, when I outplay my opponents all game long, having obs everywhere, harrasing and attacking in few places while also defending and all I get is 'nice race you have there" to put it mildly. There was a time when this wasn't the case, though. Remember how Rain played at his peak? Everyone appreciated that. Too bad the game has been patched away from a situation where that was viable. I miss Rain
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ioioiobb
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They really should rebrand to ADEPT. ADEPT.KeeN, ADEPT.Bomber, ADEPT.aLive, ADEPT.Curious...
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On January 22 2016 19:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 19:38 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On January 22 2016 19:33 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2016 19:30 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On January 22 2016 19:27 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2016 19:24 Penev wrote:On January 22 2016 19:21 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 19:18 Tsubbi wrote:
zerg defense: drone pulling, spore cancelling, surround, queen from base to base and back, zerglings
protoss defense: OVERCHARGE It's not like every T1 unit is slower than ling except for shade and stalker and every t1 unit is slower than speedling. And it's not like Protoss needs a perfect wall otherwise they're dead. C'mon, I hate pylon cannons too, but be reasonable. I think everyone at this point understands it's a band aid for bad design It's also terrible for the Protoss image. Whether reasonable or not, even some P are saying the cannon is just stupid. And it makes pro players look like they can only press one button while their opponent T and Z have clearly visible micro that viewers see and appreciate. It's like a bad Hollywood movie where one the one hand you have the crafty underdog and against him is a black and red wearing ogre with a big club. I'm protoss and I don't like Overcharge at all (same with Adepts ), but at the same time I know protoss needs PO to even stay alive. Wish we could get real fixes instead of bandaids like that~~ But at the same time, no matter how many skillfull moves Protoss'd make in a game, he would still receive hate for just being Protoss. Happens on ladder too, when I outplay my opponents all game long, having obs everywhere, harrasing and attacking in few places while also defending and all I get is 'nice race you have there" to put it mildly. There was a time when this wasn't the case, though. Remember how Rain played at his peak? Everyone appreciated that. Too bad the game has been patched away from a situation where that was viable. I miss Rain http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ioioiobb np
I should clarify: I miss Rain in SC2
Stardust recently also started streaming BW. Kinda wished he'd be back for LotV.
Ok, now for matchup I don't care, so back to work.
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EPT
