Yeah after the first round of matches I was seriously feeling winner of Life/Dark would definitely win this tournament given the way the bracket shaped up, but definitely feel like a player like herO could have some tricky stuff up his sleeve and take it all for sure. Very interesting "Final Four" here.
And after just watching the VODs from yesterday, god I love Tasteless and Artosis, almost goes without saying... they're fucking hilarious and I also like how they conjecture about the meta considering all this "newness" and all. Please jesus let them never stop commentating Starcraft and stay around forever. <3
Life vs Zestin in GSL Preseason 1 semifinals. Life has the #2 Headband. Life is at 39.24% Blizzcon Chances, with a 58.06% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 41.82%, or 35.67% if they lose. Zest is at 30.55% Blizzcon Chances, with a 41.94% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 34.15%, or 27.95% if they lose.
ByuL vs herOin in GSL Preseason 1 semifinals. ByuL is at 54.52% Blizzcon Chances, with a 42.42% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 57.5%, or 52.32% if they lose. herO is at 70.84% Blizzcon Chances, with a 57.58% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 72.66%, or 68.38% if they lose.
Life has a 30.22% chance to win ----going from 39.24% to 47.4% if they get 1st, or 35.7% if they don't. herO has a 27.02% chance to win ----going from 70.84% to 77.52% if they get 1st, or 68.37% if they don't. Zest has a 22.99% chance to win ----going from 30.55% to 39.18% if they get 1st, or 27.98% if they don't. ByuL has a 19.77% chance to win ----going from 54.52% to 63.45% if they get 1st, or 52.32% if they don't.
I think the final would be Life and herO, however if Zest somehow win against Life then the final would be PvP with herO then Zest would win because Zest's PvP is still impeccable. If it's ZvZ final, however, then I truly have no idea, the match up is too weird for my liking.
Hm, looking at the player list of SSL and GSL I wonder if there is any shakeup in who's who in Korea. It seems like some relatively weaker players have surged in skill in the foreigner world but has LotV changed that at all in SK?
On December 18 2015 18:39 Heartland wrote: Hm, looking at the player list of SSL and GSL I wonder if there is any shakeup in who's who in Korea. It seems like some relatively weaker players have surged in skill in the foreigner world but has LotV changed that at all in SK?
Sorry and ByuN, Forte looks better than Salvation too
I imagine the usual good players will rise to the top again before too long. Some of the weaker players would have gotten a good head start on LotV since they wouldn't have had to practice for SPL or WCS or anything.
On December 18 2015 18:41 Yello wrote: so after watching SC2 for I think 14 hours straight yesterday, now it's back to watching sc2 after 8 hours of sleep xD
On December 18 2015 18:39 Heartland wrote: Hm, looking at the player list of SSL and GSL I wonder if there is any shakeup in who's who in Korea. It seems like some relatively weaker players have surged in skill in the foreigner world but has LotV changed that at all in SK?
i'd chalk it up to not having fully settled, a lot of the blizzcon peeps prob had a lot less practice than the B teamers and qualifiers have always the most volatile
On December 18 2015 18:39 Heartland wrote: Hm, looking at the player list of SSL and GSL I wonder if there is any shakeup in who's who in Korea. It seems like some relatively weaker players have surged in skill in the foreigner world but has LotV changed that at all in SK?
i'd chalk it up to not having fully settled, a lot of the blizzcon peeps prob had a lot less practice than the B teamers and qualifiers have always the most volatile
my point is sort of the opposite, Life, Zest, herO and ByuL (to some degree anyway) are HotS stars. You don't see a random B teamer surge in skill and make it to the top here. In the foreigner world there's Showtime and Nerchio who suddenly exploded in skill.
On December 18 2015 18:39 Heartland wrote: Hm, looking at the player list of SSL and GSL I wonder if there is any shakeup in who's who in Korea. It seems like some relatively weaker players have surged in skill in the foreigner world but has LotV changed that at all in SK?
I think ByuN is here to dominate.
All these Kespa pros have turned into domesticated weaklings while ByuN has been a savage on the run.
On December 18 2015 18:41 Yello wrote: so after watching SC2 for I think 14 hours straight yesterday, now it's back to watching sc2 after 8 hours of sleep xD
Daed gaem Hurricane is good, Soulkey is back too
not watching and playing HotS for most of 2015 was exactly the break I needed. I didn't think it was possible, but combined with LotV actually being good that restored my passion
On December 18 2015 18:39 Heartland wrote: Hm, looking at the player list of SSL and GSL I wonder if there is any shakeup in who's who in Korea. It seems like some relatively weaker players have surged in skill in the foreigner world but has LotV changed that at all in SK?
i'd chalk it up to not having fully settled, a lot of the blizzcon peeps prob had a lot less practice than the B teamers and qualifiers have always the most volatile
my point is sort of the opposite, Life, Zest, herO and ByuL (to some degree anyway) are HotS stars. You don't see a random B teamer surge in skill and make it to the top here. In the foreigner world there's Showtime and Nerchio who suddenly exploded in skill.
it's probably gonna happen for a few koreans, but it's less likely than foreigners i would suppose since the gap in skill in Korea is much bigger than in foreignworld
If we assume that eating or attaching yourself to the body part of a Korean progamer, like changing your hand for that of someone else, would give you their powers which body part would you take from which Korean progamer to gain their respective skill?
On December 18 2015 18:54 Heartland wrote: If we assume that eating or attaching yourself to the body part of a Korean progamer, like changing your hand for that of someone else, would give you their powers which body part would you take from which Korean progamer to gain their respective skill?
On December 18 2015 18:54 Heartland wrote: If we assume that eating or attaching yourself to the body part of a Korean progamer, like changing your hand for that of someone else, would give you their powers which body part would you take from which Korean progamer to gain their respective skill?
On December 18 2015 18:54 Heartland wrote: If we assume that eating or attaching yourself to the body part of a Korean progamer, like changing your hand for that of someone else, would give you their powers which body part would you take from which Korean progamer to gain their respective skill?
what
My mind strays okay
i dont know if its me being really tired and not being able to understand that long sentence or you just being crazy
On December 18 2015 18:54 Heartland wrote: If we assume that eating or attaching yourself to the body part of a Korean progamer, like changing your hand for that of someone else, would give you their powers which body part would you take from which Korean progamer to gain their respective skill?
what
My mind strays okay
i dont know if its me being really tired and not being able to understand that long sentence or you just being crazy
Both.
So:
If you could chop off a body part of a Korean progamer and attach it to yourself to gain that persons powers, which would it be? Like: Mvp's brain, Life's hands or whatever.
On December 18 2015 18:54 Heartland wrote: If we assume that eating or attaching yourself to the body part of a Korean progamer, like changing your hand for that of someone else, would give you their powers which body part would you take from which Korean progamer to gain their respective skill?
what
My mind strays okay
i dont know if its me being really tired and not being able to understand that long sentence or you just being crazy
Both.
So:
If you could chop off a body part of a Korean progamer and attach it to yourself to gain that persons powers, which would it be? Like: Mvp's brain, Life's hands or whatever.
On December 18 2015 18:54 Heartland wrote: If we assume that eating or attaching yourself to the body part of a Korean progamer, like changing your hand for that of someone else, would give you their powers which body part would you take from which Korean progamer to gain their respective skill?
what
My mind strays okay
i dont know if its me being really tired and not being able to understand that long sentence or you just being crazy
Both.
So:
If you could chop off a body part of a Korean progamer and attach it to yourself to gain that persons powers, which would it be? Like: Mvp's brain, Life's hands or whatever.
ez, Nada's body, Zest's head, MC's self-confidence. I won't be good at SC2, but girls would love it
On December 18 2015 18:54 Heartland wrote: If we assume that eating or attaching yourself to the body part of a Korean progamer, like changing your hand for that of someone else, would give you their powers which body part would you take from which Korean progamer to gain their respective skill?
what
My mind strays okay
i dont know if its me being really tired and not being able to understand that long sentence or you just being crazy
Both.
So:
If you could chop off a body part of a Korean progamer and attach it to yourself to gain that persons powers, which would it be? Like: Mvp's brain, Life's hands or whatever.
On December 18 2015 18:54 Heartland wrote: If we assume that eating or attaching yourself to the body part of a Korean progamer, like changing your hand for that of someone else, would give you their powers which body part would you take from which Korean progamer to gain their respective skill?
what
My mind strays okay
i dont know if its me being really tired and not being able to understand that long sentence or you just being crazy
Both.
So:
If you could chop off a body part of a Korean progamer and attach it to yourself to gain that persons powers, which would it be? Like: Mvp's brain, Life's hands or whatever.
ez, Nada's body, Zest's head, MC's self-confidence. I won't be good at SC2, but girls would love it
On December 18 2015 19:15 MiniFotToss wrote: lol Life brings the cheese and wins Zest, roast this scrub PLZ!!!!!!
Guys, I get the feeling he doesnt like Life
No I just like Zest, lol sorry for the Salt.
lol Life brings the cheese and wins
Also this comment is neutral
Life won game 2 with no cheese.
This game isn't only about playing long macro games youknow
i know I play both toss and zerg
also, Zergling rush not a cheese???? Cuz I've heard people say cannon rush and adept rushes are cheeses, they're all rushes
Everything toss does is a dirty cheese
so Zerling rushes qualify too then. so it's a cheese I really hate that term to be honest
Things that are also cheeses - 2 base roach ling attack, 3 base roach attacks, anything involving mutas, not dying to immortal pushes, hive rushes , making static D
On December 18 2015 19:15 MiniFotToss wrote: lol Life brings the cheese and wins Zest, roast this scrub PLZ!!!!!!
Guys, I get the feeling he doesnt like Life
No I just like Zest, lol sorry for the Salt.
lol Life brings the cheese and wins
Also this comment is neutral
Life won game 2 with no cheese.
This game isn't only about playing long macro games youknow
i know I play both toss and zerg
also, Zergling rush not a cheese???? Cuz I've heard people say cannon rush and adept rushes are cheeses, they're all rushes
Everything toss does is a dirty cheese
so Zerling rushes qualify too then. so it's a cheese I really hate that term to be honest
Things that are also cheeses - 2 base roach ling attack, 3 base roach attacks, anything involving mutas, not dying to immortal pushes, hive rushes , making static D
what if you build the static d with drones on your enemy's creep along with actionjesuslings?
On December 18 2015 19:15 MiniFotToss wrote: lol Life brings the cheese and wins Zest, roast this scrub PLZ!!!!!!
Guys, I get the feeling he doesnt like Life
No I just like Zest, lol sorry for the Salt.
lol Life brings the cheese and wins
Also this comment is neutral
Life won game 2 with no cheese.
This game isn't only about playing long macro games youknow
i know I play both toss and zerg
also, Zergling rush not a cheese???? Cuz I've heard people say cannon rush and adept rushes are cheeses, they're all rushes
Everything toss does is a dirty cheese
so Zerling rushes qualify too then. so it's a cheese I really hate that term to be honest
Things that are also cheeses - 2 base roach ling attack, 3 base roach attacks, anything involving mutas, not dying to immortal pushes, hive rushes , making static D
I don't think making static D should qualify it's a method of defense. UNLESS it's overcharge pylons, that's DEFINITELY cheese
On December 18 2015 19:15 MiniFotToss wrote: lol Life brings the cheese and wins Zest, roast this scrub PLZ!!!!!!
Guys, I get the feeling he doesnt like Life
No I just like Zest, lol sorry for the Salt.
lol Life brings the cheese and wins
Also this comment is neutral
Life won game 2 with no cheese.
This game isn't only about playing long macro games youknow
i know I play both toss and zerg
also, Zergling rush not a cheese???? Cuz I've heard people say cannon rush and adept rushes are cheeses, they're all rushes
Everything toss does is a dirty cheese
so Zerling rushes qualify too then. so it's a cheese I really hate that term to be honest
Things that are also cheeses - 2 base roach ling attack, 3 base roach attacks, anything involving mutas, not dying to immortal pushes, hive rushes , making static D
I don't think making static D should qualify it's a method of defense. UNLESS it's overcharge pylons, that's DEFINITELY cheese
I like how you don't say anything about "not dying to immortal pushes" :D:D:D Also static D in your opponents natural is most definetly not cheesy
I think if Zest had that expansion up way earlier, Life would be a bit behind cuz of all the lings lost, but since Zest's expansion finished just as Life's third did, he has no advantage
On December 18 2015 19:33 deacon.frost wrote: Why place a ward on a ramp, why not on the way so he arrives later? Just asking to get better.
Probably to Stasis just part of the army so he can slaughter the other half.
yeah, but I would expect this thing on the ramp so I would send some lings to try triggering the thing. On the way though. Kinda similar to bane mines in the old TvZ for me. You expect them on the Z ramp(and you scan anyway, because vision)
I wonder if Life didn't make a mistake in unburrowing and attacking with the lurkers during the big attack, he lost so many ravagers and lings without the lurker support
On December 18 2015 19:38 Heartland wrote: I wonder if Life didn't make a mistake in unburrowing and attacking with the lurkers during the big attack, he lost so many ravagers and lings without the lurker support
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
they have to be exposed to wall off =/. But yeah if you lose both robo's you can't spend all your resources. Robo uits are expensive.
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
So you would agree that he should be open to compete with you on same terms?
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
He did try, but he didn't do a good enough job.
Life almost shit the bed with the amazing unburrow failure
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
So you would agree that he should be open to compete with you on same terms?
I am not against that but I still think there should be some tournaments just for foreigners
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
So there's no reason why this crappy player cannot go to WCS Welfare, right? So the region lock is big BS because you all can win against this crappy player
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
So there's no reason why this crappy player cannot go to WCS Welfare, right? So the region lock is big BS because you all can win against this crappy player
Sure, right now if Zest starts on even ground with all foreigner players and isn't thrown in Kespa super training camp for the next year I will be glad to welcome him in European tournaments After what I saw in this game, there is a couple of European protoss players that know Lotv better
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
match fixing!
you're not funny. please don't joke with that stuff.
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
match fixing!
I'm confused why the f**k would you make a joke about this or make a statement about his? This is so disrespectful
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
Remember that map pool is a joke right now. So Zest had a bad position or worse position to take the battle. That's why Life could take a posture where the lurkers were safe against balls of doom.
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
match fixing!
I'm confused why the f**k would you make a joke about this or make a statement about his? This is so disrespectful
People make jokes about all sorts of things. Especially on the internet.
On December 18 2015 19:44 ilikeredheads wrote: is there any particular reason why tasteless is keeping that beard....? Like did he lose a bet to Artosis or something?
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
match fixing!
I'm confused why the f**k would you make a joke about this or make a statement about his? This is so disrespectful
At least it's clearly a joke. The last Dreamhack some nutjobs were actually accusing Parting
On December 18 2015 19:44 ilikeredheads wrote: is there any particular reason why tasteless is keeping that beard....? Like did he lose a bet to Artosis or something?
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
match fixing!
I'm confused why the f**k would you make a joke about this or make a statement about his? This is so disrespectful
At least it's clearly a joke. The last Dreamhack some nutjobs were actually accusing Parting
I mean, it's like your mom jokes after your friend loses his mother.
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
So there's no reason why this crappy player cannot go to WCS Welfare, right? So the region lock is big BS because you all can win against this crappy player
Sure, right now if Zest starts on even ground with all foreigner players and isn't thrown in Kespa super training camp for the next year I will be glad to welcome him in European tournaments After what I saw in this game, there is a couple of European protoss players that know Lotv better
Youre delusional. You should just quietly shed a few tears of Joy over wcs welfare and hope Blizz doesnt change their mind next year. Fact of the matter is, none of you foreign 'pros' even remotely deserve this Kind of money. Makes me sick.
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
Remember that map pool is a joke right now. So Zest had a bad position or worse position to take the battle. That's why Life could take a posture where the lurkers were safe against balls of doom.
He had a stargate, I wonder why a void ray or 2 wouldn't be clever in that positioning. Life sacced all his ravagers and morphed all his hydras.
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
So there's no reason why this crappy player cannot go to WCS Welfare, right? So the region lock is big BS because you all can win against this crappy player
Sure, right now if Zest starts on even ground with all foreigner players and isn't thrown in Kespa super training camp for the next year I will be glad to welcome him in European tournaments After what I saw in this game, there is a couple of European protoss players that know Lotv better
Why don't you establish foreigner super training camp instead of whining about Kespa?
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
Remember that map pool is a joke right now. So Zest had a bad position or worse position to take the battle. That's why Life could take a posture where the lurkers were safe against balls of doom.
He had a stargate, I wonder why a void ray or 2 wouldn't be clever in that positioning. Life sacced all his ravagers and morphed all his hydras.
WEll he saw he hasn't any AtG damage. Don't make a fool from Life. Life would have reacted properly
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
match fixing!
I'm confused why the f**k would you make a joke about this or make a statement about his? This is so disrespectful
At least it's clearly a joke. The last Dreamhack some nutjobs were actually accusing Parting
I mean, it's like your mom jokes after your friend loses his mother.
Oh well, people.
Well no, that's a lot worse. That said, I didn't think it was funny but you have to be careful with banning jokes. Nothing worse than the atmosphere caused by taking things too seriously
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
To improve the game. Watching a Protoss build a death ball for 15 mins then A move across the map is never fun
Then buff Storm. You are at least guaranteed dmg on the first tick.
You are joking right? Storm is still brilliant and the fact you can recyle into Archons straight after using it is even better.
Perhaps Zest should have tried Templar tech or simply put his Robo in a better position.
He needs to be more aggresive. You cannot be a passive against Zerg on current map pool and balance. Templars are a joke, psi storm has a range of 9. Lurkers have the same range... guess what happens. Also disruptor doesn;t kill a lurker on 1 hit, psi storm does less dmg, doesn't it?
On December 18 2015 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Zest lost a game with 2k/1k on 3 bases, he played this game so well we should give him all the money in the world!
To be fair he did lose both his robos and a gate. But then again those were very exposed too.
Well played series by Life tho!
He just stood his 150 limit army with 2k/1k waiting for Life to kill him, he didn't even try picking the lurkers with colossus or stalkers
So there's no reason why this crappy player cannot go to WCS Welfare, right? So the region lock is big BS because you all can win against this crappy player
Sure, right now if Zest starts on even ground with all foreigner players and isn't thrown in Kespa super training camp for the next year I will be glad to welcome him in European tournaments After what I saw in this game, there is a couple of European protoss players that know Lotv better
Youre delusional. You should just quietly shed a few tears of Joy over wcs welfare and hope Blizz doesnt change their mind next year. Fact of the matter is, none of you foreign 'pros' even remotely deserve this Kind of money. Makes me sick.
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
To improve the game. Watching a Protoss build a death ball for 15 mins then A move across the map is never fun
Then buff Storm. You are at least guaranteed dmg on the first tick.
You are joking right? Storm is still brilliant and the fact you can recyle into Archons straight after using it is even better.
Perhaps Zest should have tried Templar tech or simply put his Robo in a better position.
He needs to be more aggresive. You cannot be a passive against Zerg on current map pool and balance. Templars are a joke, psi storm has a range of 9. Lurkers have the same range... guess what happens. Also disruptor doesn;t kill a lurker on 1 hit, psi storm does less dmg, doesn't it?
Maybe he could have shaded a few adepts into the lurker field to bait their attack, then storm the the field, BW play was similar wasnt it?
herO basically doing the same thing in PvZ that he does in PvT. Just really good decision making on where to send his adepts when and the opponent can only watch his workers dieing. This is not just sending adepts in and hope to kill something, this is perfectly executed harass to the point that it looks really scary
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
To improve the game. Watching a Protoss build a death ball for 15 mins then A move across the map is never fun
Then buff Storm. You are at least guaranteed dmg on the first tick.
You are joking right? Storm is still brilliant and the fact you can recyle into Archons straight after using it is even better.
Perhaps Zest should have tried Templar tech or simply put his Robo in a better position.
He needs to be more aggresive. You cannot be a passive against Zerg on current map pool and balance. Templars are a joke, psi storm has a range of 9. Lurkers have the same Do shades trigger attacks?
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
Remember that map pool is a joke right now. So Zest had a bad position or worse position to take the battle. That's why Life could take a posture where the lurkers were safe against balls of doom.
He had a stargate, I wonder why a void ray or 2 wouldn't be clever in that positioning. Life sacced all his ravagers and morphed all his hydras.
WEll he saw he hasn't any AtG damage. Don't make a fool from Life. Life would have reacted properly
Yeah of course, but then the lurker mass wouldn't absolutely fuck you like that.
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
To improve the game. Watching a Protoss build a death ball for 15 mins then A move across the map is never fun
Then buff Storm. You are at least guaranteed dmg on the first tick.
You are joking right? Storm is still brilliant and the fact you can recyle into Archons straight after using it is even better.
Perhaps Zest should have tried Templar tech or simply put his Robo in a better position.
He needs to be more aggresive. You cannot be a passive against Zerg on current map pool and balance. Templars are a joke, psi storm has a range of 9. Lurkers have the same range... guess what happens. Also disruptor doesn;t kill a lurker on 1 hit, psi storm does less dmg, doesn't it?
Maybe he could have shaded a few adepts into the lurker field to bait their attack, then storm the the field, BW play was similar wasnt it?
well, there were no adepts or anything so you just have to storm the Lurkers. But it depends a bit on the situation and what stage the game is in.
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
To improve the game. Watching a Protoss build a death ball for 15 mins then A move across the map is never fun
Then buff Storm. You are at least guaranteed dmg on the first tick.
You are joking right? Storm is still brilliant and the fact you can recyle into Archons straight after using it is even better.
Perhaps Zest should have tried Templar tech or simply put his Robo in a better position.
He needs to be more aggresive. You cannot be a passive against Zerg on current map pool and balance. Templars are a joke, psi storm has a range of 9. Lurkers have the same range... guess what happens. Also disruptor doesn;t kill a lurker on 1 hit, psi storm does less dmg, doesn't it?
Maybe he could have shaded a few adepts into the lurker field to bait their attack, then storm the the field, BW play was similar wasnt it?
Don't think that'd work too well. Sacrificing adepts to get off a storm or two that won't even kill the Lurkers doesn't seem like a good idea.
On December 18 2015 19:45 CruelZeratul wrote: Why did Protoss have to trade reliable AoE against this rng fuck? :/
To improve the game. Watching a Protoss build a death ball for 15 mins then A move across the map is never fun
Then buff Storm. You are at least guaranteed dmg on the first tick.
You are joking right? Storm is still brilliant and the fact you can recyle into Archons straight after using it is even better.
Perhaps Zest should have tried Templar tech or simply put his Robo in a better position.
He needs to be more aggresive. You cannot be a passive against Zerg on current map pool and balance. Templars are a joke, psi storm has a range of 9. Lurkers have the same range... guess what happens. Also disruptor doesn;t kill a lurker on 1 hit, psi storm does less dmg, doesn't it?
Maybe he could have shaded a few adepts into the lurker field to bait their attack, then storm the the field, BW play was similar wasnt it?
BW play vs Lurkers was getting a lot of Dragoons (and maybe reavers) and otherwise do stuff normal since Dragoons are actually decent against Lurkers compared to Speedlots :0
But ofcourse bating shots is part of like cute things you can do to make it hurt less bad
EDIT: Ohh and storm sucks in this game compared to BW
On December 18 2015 20:14 Tiaraju9 wrote: This map would be so much better if you get rid of that gold third base. Quick and easy fix.
then you would have a really hard-to-take wide-open third base that's close to impossible to defend. With the gold base it at least offers a reward that makes up for the difficulties. I think it's just an overall awful map, removing gold bases will not make it any better
On December 18 2015 20:14 Tiaraju9 wrote: This map would be so much better if you get rid of that gold third base. Quick and easy fix.
then you would have a really hard-to-take wide-open third base that's close to impossible to defend. With the gold base it at least offers a reward that makes up for the difficulties. I think it's just an overall awful map, removing gold bases will not make it any better
what about the other gold base right above it? remove that one
On December 18 2015 20:14 Tiaraju9 wrote: This map would be so much better if you get rid of that gold third base. Quick and easy fix.
then you would have a really hard-to-take wide-open third base that's close to impossible to defend. With the gold base it at least offers a reward that makes up for the difficulties. I think it's just an overall awful map, removing gold bases will not make it any better
what about the other gold base right above it? remove that one
Then it stays the same it is right now for the early and mid-game mostly, which means 95% of games on this map wouldn't change at all. No, I think gold bases have potential to be fun but the overall layout of this map is just not good.
Also can we start a petition to make GSL and S2SL do bo5s in the ro16 and bo7 in the semi-finals? These series are over way too quickly
On December 18 2015 20:23 Phredxor wrote: So confusing. First I heard Adepts were OP in the beta. Then everyone complained about Ravagers and Zerg being OP, now Adepts again?
only on pro lvl, they still suck in ladder compared to Ravagers and lurkers also, adepts destroy you if you're unprepared like widow mines, drops from terrans and muta's and DT's etc
On December 18 2015 20:14 Tiaraju9 wrote: This map would be so much better if you get rid of that gold third base. Quick and easy fix.
then you would have a really hard-to-take wide-open third base that's close to impossible to defend. With the gold base it at least offers a reward that makes up for the difficulties. I think it's just an overall awful map, removing gold bases will not make it any better
what about the other gold base right above it? remove that one
Then it stays the same it is right now for the early and mid-game mostly, which means 95% of games on this map wouldn't change at all. No, I think gold bases have potential to be fun but the overall layout of this map is just not good.
Also can we start a petition to make GSL and S2SL do bo5s in the ro16 and bo7 in the semi-finals? These series are over way too quickly
bo7 with these maps? and central protocol? HELL TO THE NO
On December 18 2015 20:23 Phredxor wrote: So confusing. First I heard Adepts were OP in the beta. Then everyone complained about Ravagers and Zerg being OP, now Adepts again?
On December 18 2015 20:23 Phredxor wrote: So confusing. First I heard Adepts were OP in the beta. Then everyone complained about Ravagers and Zerg being OP, now Adepts again?
They were a LOT more powerful at times during the Beta.
Granted, Chargelots annihilated everything at one point because of a bug.
On December 18 2015 20:23 Phredxor wrote: So confusing. First I heard Adepts were OP in the beta. Then everyone complained about Ravagers and Zerg being OP, now Adepts again?
On December 18 2015 20:23 Phredxor wrote: So confusing. First I heard Adepts were OP in the beta. Then everyone complained about Ravagers and Zerg being OP, now Adepts again?
Granted, Chargelots annihilated everything at one point because of a bug.
On December 18 2015 20:14 Tiaraju9 wrote: This map would be so much better if you get rid of that gold third base. Quick and easy fix.
then you would have a really hard-to-take wide-open third base that's close to impossible to defend. With the gold base it at least offers a reward that makes up for the difficulties. I think it's just an overall awful map, removing gold bases will not make it any better
what about the other gold base right above it? remove that one
Then it stays the same it is right now for the early and mid-game mostly, which means 95% of games on this map wouldn't change at all. No, I think gold bases have potential to be fun but the overall layout of this map is just not good.
Also can we start a petition to make GSL and S2SL do bo5s in the ro16 and bo7 in the semi-finals? These series are over way too quickly
bo7 with these maps? and central protocol? HELL TO THE NO
Then we would see more of those maps and see the imbalances as statistical evidence on the highest level and Blizzard could change them earlier. Or am I being too optimistic here?
On December 18 2015 20:23 Phredxor wrote: So confusing. First I heard Adepts were OP in the beta. Then everyone complained about Ravagers and Zerg being OP, now Adepts again?
Granted, Chargelots annihilated everything at one point because of a bug.
On December 18 2015 20:23 Phredxor wrote: So confusing. First I heard Adepts were OP in the beta. Then everyone complained about Ravagers and Zerg being OP, now Adepts again?
Granted, Chargelots annihilated everything at one point because of a bug.
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Charge did 30 dmg on the initial hit at one point. 10 chargelots just blew things up. The Redbull series highlighted some of these different points in time.
On December 18 2015 20:23 Phredxor wrote: So confusing. First I heard Adepts were OP in the beta. Then everyone complained about Ravagers and Zerg being OP, now Adepts again?
Granted, Chargelots annihilated everything at one point because of a bug.
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zealot charge did 30 dmg upon impact
What is it now 8?
I seen PtitDrogo use Chargalots a lot yesterday to good effect
On December 18 2015 20:32 Charoisaur wrote: I like adept shade micro in small numbers but when the numbers gets high it becomes quite ridicolous. Adepts should be early game only, like reapers.
On December 18 2015 20:39 Tankz123 wrote: Somewhere.. poopfeast420 feels a weird tingeling in his body.. he whispers to himself.. "It is time... I shall return and ask the best questions!"
Sadly, he asked REALLY good questions. It was hilarious.
On December 18 2015 20:48 Yello wrote: so why didn't byul break the first set of force fields at the ramp with corrosive biles? He would never hit the army with how good herO is at microing
Lack of a few months practice to instantly know the answer to such questions. Not that it would have helped you don't win fights in zvp while down 20 army supply
On December 18 2015 20:48 Yello wrote: so why didn't byul break the first set of force fields at the ramp with corrosive biles? He would never hit the army with how good herO is at microing
Lack of a few months practice to instantly know the answer to such questions. Not that it would have helped you don't win fights in zvp while down 20 army supply
would have been a better fight for Byul though if one third of his army wasn't cut off from attacking for the first part of the battle. Ravagers can deal a lot of damage with their auto-attack as well, probably way more than with corrosive biles because they actually hit stuff that way
On December 18 2015 20:48 Yello wrote: so why didn't byul break the first set of force fields at the ramp with corrosive biles? He would never hit the army with how good herO is at microing
Lack of a few months practice to instantly know the answer to such questions. Not that it would have helped you don't win fights in zvp while down 20 army supply
would have been a better fight for Byul though if one third of his army wasn't cut off from attacking for the first part of the battle. Ravagers can deal a lot of damage with their auto-attack as well, probably way more than with corrosive biles because they actually hit stuff that way
Bile drops instant new FF ? Unless protoss meses up badly and loses a bunch of shit to bile it's the same as always. You need more shit or critical tech ( lurkers in numbers)
On December 18 2015 20:50 seopthi wrote: Ravager was created ad hoc against force fields but I have never seen Corrosive Bile casted on one.
I don't think it's because zerg's would forget, but it is too slow. Perhaps it should be projectile similar to Fungal Growth
I think corossive bile is fine. forcefields were fine in straight up engagements, they were only a problem in things like forcefielding the ramp. Ravagers prevent this abuse.
On December 18 2015 20:50 seopthi wrote: Ravager was created ad hoc against force fields but I have never seen Corrosive Bile casted on one.
I don't think it's because zerg's would forget, but it is too slow. Perhaps it should be projectile similar to Fungal Growth
I think corossive bile is fine. forcefields were fine in straight up engagements, they were only a problem in things like forcefielding the ramp. Ravagers prevent this abuse.
Life's shirt looks so empty. Does KT have so few sponsors or something? I mean, herO's CJ shirt looks way better because of that (also better color imo ).
On December 18 2015 21:01 HolydaKing wrote: Life's shirt looks so empty. Does KT have so few sponsors or something? I mean, herO's CJ shirt looks way better because of that (also better color imo ).
On December 18 2015 21:01 HolydaKing wrote: Life's shirt looks so empty. Does KT have so few sponsors or something? I mean, herO's CJ shirt looks way better because of that (also better color imo ).
Just checked my LB. Damn you, herO! I believed in Zerg and put all on ByuL! Now you have to win because I haven't thought that Life herO could happen so I put my points on you! KILL THE NERD!!!
tasteless always interrupt artosis..... Its like tasteless has not much to say so he needs to interrupt so he can talk before artosis says it...................
That was one of the worst attacks I've seen by life. It would have been so easy to kill those Pylons with Ravagers instead of fighting in 2+ pylon cannons for a minute.
On December 18 2015 21:30 Undead1993 wrote: feels like life could have microed that a lot better but was like fk it i am gonna win anyway
Life could play a little more careful idd
Taking ill-advised engagements out of arrogance is a pretty recurring theme for Life, doesn't surprise me that he would fall victim to the same problem when he doesn't know exactly how strong his army is vs his opponent
On December 18 2015 21:30 Undead1993 wrote: feels like life could have microed that a lot better but was like fk it i am gonna win anyway
Life could play a little more careful idd
Taking ill-advised engagements out of arrogance is a pretty recurring theme for Life, doesn't surprise me that he would fall victim to the same problem when he doesn't know exactly how strong his army is vs his opponent
This time it was an ill-advised engagement, most of the time it is killer instinct destroying his opponent though
On December 18 2015 21:30 Undead1993 wrote: feels like life could have microed that a lot better but was like fk it i am gonna win anyway
Life could play a little more careful idd
"Little" is weak word here, he made quite big micro mistakes that costed him this game.
He lost his patience against Zest too but still won. It kinda is the way of Life I guess but if Zest had that Robo in a different place (or just powered) I think he'd lost that one as well..
On December 18 2015 21:35 Tiaraju9 wrote: I can name a few europeans that are better than Life at ZvP
I can't name a protoss that wouldn't die in herO's shoes
umm HELLO? MC and PartinG (maybe Hurricane, I have no idea about sOs, Rain or Stats)
sOs wouldn't get into that position. He's like an alchemist. He's now mixing Rotti builds with CatZ builds, adding some herO in it and then huge amount of insane powder to get the sOs builds! (actually sOs is pretty good in micro if he's not choking)
On December 18 2015 21:30 Undead1993 wrote: feels like life could have microed that a lot better but was like fk it i am gonna win anyway
Life could play a little more careful idd
Taking ill-advised engagements out of arrogance is a pretty recurring theme for Life, doesn't surprise me that he would fall victim to the same problem when he doesn't know exactly how strong his army is vs his opponent
This time it was an ill-advised engagement, most of the time it is killer instinct destroying his opponent though
Goes without saying that he usually kills his opponents, but he has had this problem in ZvP for most of the year. Against herO and Parting early on, against Stats, Zest, Classic and sOs later. He has a tendency to think he is in a slightly better position than he is - usually he's in the clear, sometimes not
On December 18 2015 21:35 Tiaraju9 wrote: I can name a few europeans that are better than Life at ZvP
I can't name a protoss that wouldn't die in herO's shoes
umm HELLO? MC and PartinG (maybe Hurricane, I have no idea about sOs, Rain or Stats)
sOs wouldn't get into that position. He's like an alchemist. He's now mixing Rotti builds with CatZ builds, adding some herO in it and then huge amount of insane powder to get the sOs builds! (actually sOs is pretty good in micro if he's not choking)
On December 18 2015 21:35 Tiaraju9 wrote: I can name a few europeans that are better than Life at ZvP
I can't name a protoss that wouldn't die in herO's shoes
umm HELLO? MC and PartinG (maybe Hurricane, I have no idea about sOs, Rain or Stats)
sOs wouldn't get into that position. He's like an alchemist. He's now mixing Rotti builds with CatZ builds, adding some herO in it and then huge amount of insane powder to get the sOs builds! (actually sOs is pretty good in micro if he's not choking)
sOs chokes?
When his build isn't doing what is desired sOs can do dumb things(like blink missmicro, don't build units). Also being on hot streak helps
On December 18 2015 21:48 EatingBomber wrote: @Zealously: Are design complaints allowed in LR threads?
Historically they are a gray area, because on one hand design is often tied in with balance, but on the other there are often valid criticisms. When phrased somewhat constructively, we tend to leave design criticism be. Blatant whining, no.
On December 18 2015 21:48 EatingBomber wrote: @Zealously: Are design complaints allowed in LR threads?
Since when the LR was not about design complaints anyway?
Well, I had the impression that people were hostile to such complaints, possibly due to a rule or something, so that's why I'm asking
They are hostile cause you are getting in the way of their whining. As long as you don't wish cancer on people or just blatantly spam adept imba it's k
I wonder how Zergs can deal with the adept pressure. I am not a good player but I think a big problem is also scouting. How do you know if you are up against a blinkstalker push or against mass adept push? And even if you know, I don't think you can get out enough roaches. Ideas?
On December 18 2015 21:53 JazVM wrote: I wonder how Zergs can deal with the adept pressure. I am not a good player but I think a big problem is also scouting. How do you know if you are up against a blinkstalker push or against mass adept push? And even if you know, I don't think you can get out enough roaches. Ideas?
You go mass roach ling vs either so it doesn't matter which it is
On December 18 2015 21:53 JazVM wrote: I wonder how Zergs can deal with the adept pressure. I am not a good player but I think a big problem is also scouting. How do you know if you are up against a blinkstalker push or against mass adept push? And even if you know, I don't think you can get out enough roaches. Ideas?
On December 18 2015 21:53 JazVM wrote: I wonder how Zergs can deal with the adept pressure. I am not a good player but I think a big problem is also scouting. How do you know if you are up against a blinkstalker push or against mass adept push? And even if you know, I don't think you can get out enough roaches. Ideas?
Or chargelots. All strong pushes that come from gateway + twilight council tech.
On December 18 2015 21:53 JazVM wrote: I wonder how Zergs can deal with the adept pressure. I am not a good player but I think a big problem is also scouting. How do you know if you are up against a blinkstalker push or against mass adept push? And even if you know, I don't think you can get out enough roaches. Ideas?
How many gases herO took in the last match?
Good point since adept cost twice lesser gas than stalker.
On December 18 2015 21:53 JazVM wrote: I wonder how Zergs can deal with the adept pressure. I am not a good player but I think a big problem is also scouting. How do you know if you are up against a blinkstalker push or against mass adept push? And even if you know, I don't think you can get out enough roaches. Ideas?
How many gases herO took in the last match?
Good point since adept cost twice lesser gas than stalker.
The two base version of this push is easily scoutable because the toss will not have any gas at natural. The three base version is very hard to scout because he will have 4 gas distriubted over 3 bases but that version supports a shit ton of different army compositions.
Either way it's hard to deal with, even the theoretical best counter (banelings) has problems with it since a lot of them die before they reach adepts and adepts have quite high HP overall.
On December 18 2015 22:15 AWalker9 wrote: WCS fully announced today and herO has already qualified for half of the Korean leagues that will take place this year.
On December 18 2015 22:15 AWalker9 wrote: WCS fully announced today and herO has already qualified for half of the Korean leagues that will take place this year.
hahaha yea it's fucked, and terran is fucked too
It hurts hardest when people who know what they're talking about say it.
Will this require you to totally overhaul WCS Predictor?
Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
When's the last time Parting won a tournament in Korea?
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
When's the last time Parting won a tournament in Korea?
Weren't we talking about micro? I agree herO is a better player overall. Doesn't PartinG hold the record of code S apparence of something? He is not irrelevant in Korea and he is considered as a really strong player.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
When's the last time Parting won a tournament in Korea?
Weren't we talking about micro? I agree herO is a better player overall. Doesn't PartinG hold the record of code S apparence of something? He is not irrelevant in Korea and he is considered as a really strong player.
Longest consecutive streak of Code S appearances and the only player to make 10 consecutive Ro16s. I'm not gonna get into a discussion of who has the best micro though.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
parting never had better micro than herO lol
PartinG has much better micro than herO... I didn't even know that herO's micro had a claim to being one of the best until I read it right here.
I really hate Protoss. Really, really, really hate them. Nothing much seems to have changed since HotS...Zerg really tries to kill them before the ~12min mark or so, and it's over if they don't vs. a very skilled Protoss.
On December 19 2015 08:11 mierin wrote: I really hate Protoss. Really, really, really hate them. Nothing much seems to have changed since HotS...Zerg really tries to kill them before the ~12min mark or so, and it's over if they don't vs. a very skilled Protoss.
Did you even watch the games? herO was trying desperately to kill Byul and Life in the early game. Zest tried sitting back and got stomped. Zerg clearly has the late game advantage.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
parting never had better micro than herO lol
PartinG has much better micro than herO... I didn't even know that herO's micro had a claim to being one of the best until I read it right here.
Yeah, honestly I think that PartinG may have the best micro in all of SC2. He was Maru's kryptonite for so long specifically because he was the only player who could consistently win micro battles against him.
Edit: Or at least Parting may hold the record for best micro we've seen so far. Last I saw him play, he'd fallen off a bit.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
When's the last time Parting won a tournament in Korea?
Weren't we talking about micro? I agree herO is a better player overall. Doesn't PartinG hold the record of code S apparence of something? He is not irrelevant in Korea and he is considered as a really strong player.
Longest consecutive streak of Code S appearances and the only player to make 10 consecutive Ro8s. I'm not gonna get into a discussion of who has the best micro though.
10 Ro16s though he probably does have the most nonconsecutive Ro8 appearances
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
parting never had better micro than herO lol
PartinG has much better micro than herO... I didn't even know that herO's micro had a claim to being one of the best until I read it right here.
Yeah, honestly I think that PartinG may have the best micro in all of SC2. He was Maru's kryptonite for so long specifically because he was the only player who could consistently win micro battles against him.
Edit: Or at least Parting may hold the record for best micro we've seen so far. Last I saw him play, he'd fallen off a bit.
PartinG is the only one I have seen holding unscouted proxy 2-gates. herO always died to them.
On December 19 2015 18:51 Jenia6109 wrote: herO showing that Protoss lowest winrate in LotV is nothing when you are top progamer and better player
Life very good player. Look at Zerg very weak. GSL lose 0:3 in final versus Protoss. in Other tournament homestory cup Zerg also doing weak. Maybe your perception a little bit on wrong foot
14 Zerg entered tournament and 9 already eliminated. So 65% of Zerg gone 8 Terrans entered tournament only 1 eliminated. So 12,5% of Terran gone. 10 Protoss entered tournament and 6 eliminated. So 60% of Protoss gone.
Many good Zerg gone. Scarlett, TLO, Stephano
Reaper and Adept strong early pressure. Reaper regeneration and Adept so much life. Adept strong in early, mid and late. Upgrade and they fight everything
It big mistake to think Zerg strong because Solar doing good.Starcraft 2 Lotv in early stages. Protoss is not bad
Pretty sure you are trolling but... Do you realize Stephano is retired, Scarlett barely played LotV and TLO while not especially in shape was eliminated by... A korean. Life lost hard but he won hard series too so hard to conclude anything.
On December 19 2015 20:26 Poopi wrote: Pretty sure you are trolling but... Do you realize Stephano is retired, Scarlett barely played LotV and TLO while not especially in shape was eliminated by... A korean. Life lost hard but he won hard series too so hard to conclude anything.
I only look at math because it never lies. Scarlett very good Nation Wars. TLO training very much. he should advance from group stage in medium strength event, TOP is korean but TLO playing long and very much LOTV. Enemy being a korean is no excuse!
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
parting never had better micro than herO lol
Parting had a better micro than any protoss players. That's why Maru always lost to Parting.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
parting never had better micro than herO lol
Parting had a better micro than any protoss players. That's why Maru always lost to Parting.
Now Parting is playing really bad though.
I agree, I think Parting at his peak had the best micro.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
parting never had better micro than herO lol
Parting had a better micro than any protoss players. That's why Maru always lost to Parting.
Now Parting is playing really bad though.
I agree, I think Parting at his peak had the best micro.
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
parting never had better micro than herO lol
Parting had a better micro than any protoss players. That's why Maru always lost to Parting.
Now Parting is playing really bad though.
I agree, I think Parting at his peak had the best micro.
On December 22 2015 07:20 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On December 21 2015 11:20 TheDougler wrote:
On December 21 2015 11:07 highsis wrote:
On December 19 2015 07:25 sharkie wrote:
On December 19 2015 03:59 wjat wrote:
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
parting never had better micro than herO lol
Parting had a better micro than any protoss players. That's why Maru always lost to Parting.
Now Parting is playing really bad though.
I agree, I think Parting at his peak had the best micro.
Indeed. I thought this was common knowledge.
Popular opinion. Undisputed fact confirmed.
As opposed to your extremely factual arguments like "anyone with their eyes open could see it"?
On December 22 2015 07:20 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On December 21 2015 11:20 TheDougler wrote:
On December 21 2015 11:07 highsis wrote:
On December 19 2015 07:25 sharkie wrote:
On December 19 2015 03:59 wjat wrote:
On December 19 2015 03:37 BlackZetsu wrote: Anyone with their eyes open could see that herO had the best micro in Sc2. Now that we have an expansion that actually rewards the player with the best micro, herO is basically unstoppable.
lol have you heard about Maru? PartinG also have a better micro imo.
parting never had better micro than herO lol
Parting had a better micro than any protoss players. That's why Maru always lost to Parting.
Now Parting is playing really bad though.
I agree, I think Parting at his peak had the best micro.
Indeed. I thought this was common knowledge.
Popular opinion. Undisputed fact confirmed.
Even a progamer said Hero's blink is the second best to Parting in one of GSL group selections where both were present, although I don't remember which one it was. Recently one of GSL casters said in his stream(paraphrased) that Parting lacks a kin understanding of when to engage and when to withdraw compared to other top protoss players but his micro skill alone wins him a match even in impossible fights.
Parting was the only protoss who could take on Zerg with Immortal all-in during late HOTS and his 45-3 record against Terran at some point during 2015 proves the point too. I don't think Parting is overall a better player than hero(at their peak) because he has many weaknesses. Parting's minimap awareness is somewhat lacking, he fights unfavourable battles and take losses, his decision making is not top notch; however, his micro is, IMO, indisputably the best among protoss players and that's what made him one of the best protosses.
Parting beat Rogue in 120 vs 200 supply. Parting, in his games against TY in 2015, took massive probe losses and lost couple of badly chosen engagements but still came out on top with unbelievable micro. If Parting had more versatility with his micro intact I could see him being the only Bonzwa of SC2.
Hero, on the other hand, is not a player whose strength is as limited as Parting's is. Hero's blink micro is more of his favoured strategy than his strength. Hero excels at mindgames, lategames, macro and micro, but he doesn't particularly have a better micro than Parting.
This comparison is somewhat moot at this point since Parting has fallen quite low after his long break from SC2 from middle of 2015. He is no longer a player with Hero's caliber at this point and most likely henceforth; lost skills don't come back easily at pro-level.
Even a progamer said Hero's blink is the second best to Parting in one of GSL group selections where both were present, although I don't remember which one it was.
Yes, Dream making a joke at GSL Ro16 group selection is dispositive of the issue.
It's the match Parting playing against Rogue; Protoss had 2 bases with 120 supply and 3 immortals while Zerg had fully saturated 4 bases(1 gold) with 200 supply and burrow move upgraded roaches; Paring kept pressing Zerg for nearly 5 minutes, forcing massive losses to Rogue with his incredible micro, then won the game. The game has one of the best protoss engagement I've ever seen in SC2.
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