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[DreamHack] LOTV Championship - Day 3 - Page 28

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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 28 2015 14:39 GMT
#541
On November 28 2015 23:38 Ansibled wrote:
StarCraft twitter account is actually really active during a tournament o.O


@Starcraftesports is always active during tournaments though
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 28 2015 14:40 GMT
#542
On November 28 2015 23:36 Pursuit_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:32 Big J wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:29 Pursuit_ wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:24 SBGamer wrote:


Lategame is terran favored NOW. Liberators are getting figured (or nerfed) out like the hots 3 rax timings. Sooner or later Liberator are going to be useless to build. We also thought Marauder Hellbat was good in HOTS as a new composition in the first months, but it got figured out aswell.


You can 'figure out' how to micro against 1-4 Liberators. You can't 'figure out' how to micro against 10+, you can either overrun them with vastly superior numbers, go around them or not let Terran get there to begin with.


Or make a tech that is just good against them as we have seen from many Protoss by including tempests.

Which is exactly like telling Terran to make ghosts and vikings to counter high templar and Collosi. It was theoretically possible, but much easier for Protoss than for terran in execution, and eventually terran gave up on that style altogether.

What? No, they didn't... Vikings were required as Colossi counterplay in both HOTS and WOL, and never stopped being counter to Colossi. Terrans were still making Ghosts against High Templars, just not all of them.

If you have an option and you are not using it, then I don't see the point in whining, nothing will change.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
November 28 2015 14:40 GMT
#543
On November 28 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:31 Fig wrote:
The whole point is that maybe terrans can't always get away with 3 cc's to start anymore. This game it obviously wasn't as safe as in HOTS

Are you for real? 3CC vs protoss was one of the riskiest builds for terran to do in hots.

What I want to know is why are people assuming it is safe now, so early on in LOTV?
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 28 2015 14:41 GMT
#544
On November 28 2015 23:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:38 Ansibled wrote:
StarCraft twitter account is actually really active during a tournament o.O


@Starcraftesports is always active during tournaments though

And it has 1000 followers while @StarCraft has 330,000.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
November 28 2015 14:41 GMT
#545
Nerchioooooooooooooo~~
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-28 14:43:47
November 28 2015 14:42 GMT
#546
On November 28 2015 23:40 Fig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:31 Fig wrote:
The whole point is that maybe terrans can't always get away with 3 cc's to start anymore. This game it obviously wasn't as safe as in HOTS

Are you for real? 3CC vs protoss was one of the riskiest builds for terran to do in hots.

What I want to know is why are people assuming it is safe now, so early on in LOTV?

It is safer compared to hots. And its safer to play 3 base than 2 base with the economy changes.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
November 28 2015 14:42 GMT
#547
On November 28 2015 23:40 Fig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:31 Fig wrote:
The whole point is that maybe terrans can't always get away with 3 cc's to start anymore. This game it obviously wasn't as safe as in HOTS

Are you for real? 3CC vs protoss was one of the riskiest builds for terran to do in hots.

What I want to know is why are people assuming it is safe now, so early on in LOTV?

It's obviously not the safest but some risk is necessary as you can't really deny a Protoss from taking an early 3rd of their own because they defend with adepts and pylons. Still, TY's variation with early marine production, cyclones and tanks is the safest early 3rd you can play.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
November 28 2015 14:43 GMT
#548
On November 28 2015 23:40 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:36 Pursuit_ wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:32 Big J wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:29 Pursuit_ wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:24 SBGamer wrote:


Lategame is terran favored NOW. Liberators are getting figured (or nerfed) out like the hots 3 rax timings. Sooner or later Liberator are going to be useless to build. We also thought Marauder Hellbat was good in HOTS as a new composition in the first months, but it got figured out aswell.


You can 'figure out' how to micro against 1-4 Liberators. You can't 'figure out' how to micro against 10+, you can either overrun them with vastly superior numbers, go around them or not let Terran get there to begin with.


Or make a tech that is just good against them as we have seen from many Protoss by including tempests.

Which is exactly like telling Terran to make ghosts and vikings to counter high templar and Collosi. It was theoretically possible, but much easier for Protoss than for terran in execution, and eventually terran gave up on that style altogether.

What? No, they didn't... Vikings were required as Colossi counterplay in both HOTS and WOL, and never stopped being counter to Colossi. Terrans were still making Ghosts against High Templars, just not all of them.

If you have an option and you are not using it, then I don't see the point in whining, nothing will change.

The most successful terran were making as few vikings and ghosts as possible until the game got into the much, much later stages. They were mostly relying on multipronged harass / attacks, huge surrounds and/or base trades.
In Somnis Veritas
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 28 2015 14:43 GMT
#549
On November 28 2015 23:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
This downtime though... GET ON WITH IT! My hype needs satisfaction


you hype needs to be cooled.

have some anti-hype boredom
rip passion
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 28 2015 14:44 GMT
#550
time for godchio
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Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
November 28 2015 14:44 GMT
#551
On November 28 2015 23:42 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:40 Fig wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:31 Fig wrote:
The whole point is that maybe terrans can't always get away with 3 cc's to start anymore. This game it obviously wasn't as safe as in HOTS

Are you for real? 3CC vs protoss was one of the riskiest builds for terran to do in hots.

What I want to know is why are people assuming it is safe now, so early on in LOTV?

It's obviously not the safest but some risk is necessary as you can't really deny a Protoss from taking an early 3rd of their own because they defend with adepts and pylons. Still, TY's variation with early marine production, cyclones and tanks is the safest early 3rd you can play.

I agree that it seems like a good way to open at the moment, so we'll see what happens going forward.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 28 2015 14:44 GMT
#552
Liquid'Showtime? Yes please!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 28 2015 14:45 GMT
#553
Why did Showtime fall down in hots? He had one great WCS run I think ?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
November 28 2015 14:45 GMT
#554
On November 28 2015 23:44 Musicus wrote:
Liquid'Showtime? Yes please!

I'd pay for that.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
November 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#555
On November 28 2015 23:37 TMStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:31 VmY wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:27 TMStarcraft wrote:
That said I'm glad TY lost and hope that Ts continue to lose so the history of nerfing T to shit early on doesn't happen again


Starcraft community in a nutshell.

Awful attitude.

Well I am exaggerating but trying to find positives is awful?

Trying to find positive things is great, saying you hope race X continues to lose because of nerf/buff reasons is dumb.
Why can't I quit you, siege tank? FanTaSy, Mvp.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#556
On November 28 2015 23:44 Lorning wrote:
time for godchio

the time has come
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
November 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#557
didn't know ShowTime was teamless as of now
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
November 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#558
Winner earns a bo5 with PartinG. Who played one of the most high-skill series in LotV so far just a few minutes ago. Definitely don't wanna miss out on that reward.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#559
On November 28 2015 23:46 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:44 Lorning wrote:
time for godchio

the time has come


showtime is an atheist

nerchio has no powers here. eat adepts and blink stalkers
rip passion
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 28 2015 14:47 GMT
#560
On November 28 2015 23:46 Elentos wrote:
Winner earns a bo5 with PartinG. Who played one of the most high-skill series in LotV so far just a few minutes ago. Definitely don't wanna miss out on that reward.


I mean they also get a meal's worth of money or so
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