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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 28 2015 14:35 GMT
#521
ARTUR ARTUR ARTUR

GOOOOOO
GOOGO ARTURRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
November 28 2015 14:35 GMT
#522
On November 28 2015 23:32 SBGamer wrote:
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On November 28 2015 23:31 Fig wrote:
The whole point is that maybe terrans can't always get away with 3 cc's to start anymore. This game it obviously wasn't as safe as in HOTS


Tell me then how can you keep up with a toss getting a fast 3rd base while being safe with MSC and adepts or by simple really cost efficient harass while getting the 3rd?

c'mon "simple"..... we aren't gonna get anywhere with that
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 28 2015 14:35 GMT
#523
On November 28 2015 23:33 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:31 VmY wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:27 TMStarcraft wrote:
That said I'm glad TY lost and hope that Ts continue to lose so the history of nerfing T to shit early on doesn't happen again


Starcraft community in a nutshell.

Awful attitude.

It's lilbowish; This tourney doesn't matter, only future ones


It's an interesting attitude. If you always look to future ones, nothing that happens now matters, and can thus be discarded.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 28 2015 14:35 GMT
#524
On November 28 2015 23:30 jeeeeohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:27 y0su wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:21 jeeeeohn wrote:
Uhh...I'm sure whatever team Parting belongs to won't like the sound of him playing hungover. How unprofessional can you possibly be to not only *do that* but to *admit it* on a live broadcast? No sense.

Edit: Like seriously this is your job dude.

I fully agree. He's currently saved by winning... Had he lost I'm sure there's be pitchforks everywhere.


Lol, like why are you playing up a "bad boy image" when your job is being a huge nerd? Who does Parting think he's fooling? Certainly not Smix, haha.

Life won IEM Shenzhen over Maru when extremely hangover
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
November 28 2015 14:36 GMT
#525
On November 28 2015 23:33 HellHound wrote:
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On November 28 2015 23:30 jeeeeohn wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:27 y0su wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:21 jeeeeohn wrote:
Uhh...I'm sure whatever team Parting belongs to won't like the sound of him playing hungover. How unprofessional can you possibly be to not only *do that* but to *admit it* on a live broadcast? No sense.

Edit: Like seriously this is your job dude.

I fully agree. He's currently saved by winning... Had he lost I'm sure there's be pitchforks everywhere.


Lol, like why are you playing up a "bad boy image" when your job is being a huge nerd? Who does Parting think he's fooling? Certainly not Smix, haha.
Drinking makes you a bad boy in your home country?

Plenty of people work with hangovers anyway. If he wants to drink and reduce his own chances at winning that's his own problem.
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
November 28 2015 14:36 GMT
#526
On November 28 2015 23:32 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:29 Pursuit_ wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:24 SBGamer wrote:


Lategame is terran favored NOW. Liberators are getting figured (or nerfed) out like the hots 3 rax timings. Sooner or later Liberator are going to be useless to build. We also thought Marauder Hellbat was good in HOTS as a new composition in the first months, but it got figured out aswell.


You can 'figure out' how to micro against 1-4 Liberators. You can't 'figure out' how to micro against 10+, you can either overrun them with vastly superior numbers, go around them or not let Terran get there to begin with.


Or make a tech that is just good against them as we have seen from many Protoss by including tempests.

Which is exactly like telling Terran to make ghosts and vikings to counter high templar and Collosi. It was theoretically possible, but much easier for Protoss than for terran in execution, and eventually terran gave up on that style altogether.
In Somnis Veritas
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 28 2015 14:36 GMT
#527
This downtime though... GET ON WITH IT! My hype needs satisfaction
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
November 28 2015 14:36 GMT
#528
Shame too. The moment TY starts looking better the brackets put him against PartinG. And then he does pretty much everything that works in LotV and still gets shut down. Didn't even accomplish his dream of finally beating PartinG offline.

Dreamhack? Dream fucked.

Sick series overall.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 28 2015 14:37 GMT
#529
On November 28 2015 23:35 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:33 Penev wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:31 VmY wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:27 TMStarcraft wrote:
That said I'm glad TY lost and hope that Ts continue to lose so the history of nerfing T to shit early on doesn't happen again


Starcraft community in a nutshell.

Awful attitude.

It's lilbowish; This tourney doesn't matter, only future ones


It's an interesting attitude. If you always look to future ones, nothing that happens now matters, and can thus be discarded.


If you took this all the way to the end, you realize you die and nothing matters. And thus what you do now is actually the only thing that matters.
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TMStarcraft
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia686 Posts
November 28 2015 14:37 GMT
#530
On November 28 2015 23:31 VmY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:27 TMStarcraft wrote:
That said I'm glad TY lost and hope that Ts continue to lose so the history of nerfing T to shit early on doesn't happen again


Starcraft community in a nutshell.

Awful attitude.

Well I am exaggerating but trying to find positives is awful?
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12559 Posts
November 28 2015 14:37 GMT
#531
On November 28 2015 23:36 Pursuit_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:32 Big J wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:29 Pursuit_ wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:24 SBGamer wrote:


Lategame is terran favored NOW. Liberators are getting figured (or nerfed) out like the hots 3 rax timings. Sooner or later Liberator are going to be useless to build. We also thought Marauder Hellbat was good in HOTS as a new composition in the first months, but it got figured out aswell.


You can 'figure out' how to micro against 1-4 Liberators. You can't 'figure out' how to micro against 10+, you can either overrun them with vastly superior numbers, go around them or not let Terran get there to begin with.


Or make a tech that is just good against them as we have seen from many Protoss by including tempests.

Which is exactly like telling Terran to make ghosts and vikings to counter high templar and Collosi. It was theoretically possible, but much easier for Protoss than for terran in execution, and eventually terran gave up on that style altogether.


The game is two weeks old and you already know what's possible or not?
No will to live, no wish to die
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 28 2015 14:37 GMT
#532
On November 28 2015 23:30 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:23 stuchiu wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:18 Big J wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:17 Ctesias wrote:
Well, at least the second and the third game were excellent.


They were pretty good indeed. Once these players stop making blatantly bad attack decisions LotV could really top HotS.

I don't get this attitude, in general games are best when both people make these kind of mistakes.
When you have the situation that people know perfectly what they are doing and the game doesn't force mistakes anymore it gets stale and boring.


Gumiho vs MMA,
Gumiho vs Losira
Taeja vs Inno
Taeja vs Life
Ryung vs Flash

I could go on, but there are games that are perfectly played and incredibly exciting.

I doubt these games very "perfectly played". This includes micro, macro and decision making.
Errors in gameplay (if on both sides) lead to outplay potential for the other player. Which makes a game exciting and good.


Id say they were.

Well i disagree then "Perfect play" leads to snowbally gameplay in an asymmetrical game imo.
If it is too easy to play 'close to perfect' then the better race at any given time will just win right there. Which would be horribly boring
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 28 2015 14:38 GMT
#533
On November 28 2015 23:31 Fig wrote:
The whole point is that maybe terrans can't always get away with 3 cc's to start anymore. This game it obviously wasn't as safe as in HOTS

Are you for real? 3CC vs protoss was one of the riskiest builds for terran to do in hots.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 28 2015 14:38 GMT
#534
StarCraft twitter account is actually really active during a tournament o.O
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-28 14:39:47
November 28 2015 14:38 GMT
#535
On November 28 2015 23:30 jeeeeohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:27 y0su wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:21 jeeeeohn wrote:
Uhh...I'm sure whatever team Parting belongs to won't like the sound of him playing hungover. How unprofessional can you possibly be to not only *do that* but to *admit it* on a live broadcast? No sense.

Edit: Like seriously this is your job dude.

I fully agree. He's currently saved by winning... Had he lost I'm sure there's be pitchforks everywhere.


Lol, like why are you playing up a "bad boy image" when your job is being a huge nerd? Who does Parting think he's fooling? Certainly not Smix, haha.


He's not trying to fool people - anyone that has met him knows he has a taste for alcohol. I'm not saying he got shitfaced last night, but if Parting says he had "a bit of alcohol" then you can be reasonably sure he did. Koreans often tend to explain why they (think they) performed poorly - even after they win.

Besides, Parting is one of the more popular SC2 players. Like it or not, he is closely attached to how people view him. If his image is being the slightly cocky, slightly care-free guy, then that's going to be what he plays up. He's an entertainer.
AdministratorBreak the chains
SBGamer
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany115 Posts
November 28 2015 14:38 GMT
#536
On November 28 2015 23:34 jeeeeohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:31 SBGamer wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:28 jeeeeohn wrote:
Parting played very well, and I wouldn't even call this an all-in. He pulled Ty apart by alternating between the natural and main with constant warp-ins and blinks. It was just great control and had he actually just blinked in like a true "all-in" he would've gotten wrecked.


It was not an all in. It was pressure since Protoss can easily get a 3rd base, upgrades and tech behind that. The problem is that you can just die to the pressure if you dont prepare. You need bunkers, tanks and cyclone(s) to hold off this pressure. Which makes TY behind in tech and upgrades. And if you hold that ''all in'', you cant punish the toss. Pylon Skillcharge, Disruptors and some gateway units are more than enough to hold the counter attack.


I mean, Zerg can do the same thing with Roach / Rav pressure as far as I can tell. The answer is always information, preparation, and execution. Ty's only scout was a reaper that almost got immediately killed. Had he done some type of two base push of his own, he could've hit before blink and done some damage, rendering that pressure inneffective. At least, that's my opinion as a layman.


TY knew/(anticipated) it is going to be an ''all in''/pressure. Why else would he build bunkers, tanks and cyclone to hold it? He made the correct decision. That Zerg can do a similar thing does not make it any good. TvZ is something different, even though it has its problems as well.
Bomber is love, Maru is life.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 28 2015 14:39 GMT
#537
On November 28 2015 23:36 Pursuit_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:32 Big J wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:29 Pursuit_ wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:24 SBGamer wrote:


Lategame is terran favored NOW. Liberators are getting figured (or nerfed) out like the hots 3 rax timings. Sooner or later Liberator are going to be useless to build. We also thought Marauder Hellbat was good in HOTS as a new composition in the first months, but it got figured out aswell.


You can 'figure out' how to micro against 1-4 Liberators. You can't 'figure out' how to micro against 10+, you can either overrun them with vastly superior numbers, go around them or not let Terran get there to begin with.


Or make a tech that is just good against them as we have seen from many Protoss by including tempests.

Which is exactly like telling Terran to make ghosts and vikings to counter high templar and Collosi. It was theoretically possible, but much easier for Protoss than for terran in execution, and eventually terran gave up on that style altogether.

Oh please this is a completely tempo dependent statement that requires a settled metagame.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
November 28 2015 14:39 GMT
#538
On November 28 2015 23:34 jeeeeohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:31 SBGamer wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:28 jeeeeohn wrote:
Parting played very well, and I wouldn't even call this an all-in. He pulled Ty apart by alternating between the natural and main with constant warp-ins and blinks. It was just great control and had he actually just blinked in like a true "all-in" he would've gotten wrecked.


It was not an all in. It was pressure since Protoss can easily get a 3rd base, upgrades and tech behind that. The problem is that you can just die to the pressure if you dont prepare. You need bunkers, tanks and cyclone(s) to hold off this pressure. Which makes TY behind in tech and upgrades. And if you hold that ''all in'', you cant punish the toss. Pylon Skillcharge, Disruptors and some gateway units are more than enough to hold the counter attack.


I mean, Zerg can do the same thing with Roach / Rav pressure as far as I can tell. The answer is always information, preparation, and execution. Ty's only scout was a reaper that almost got immediately killed. Had he done some type of two base push of his own, he could've hit before blink and done some damage, rendering that pressure inneffective. At least, that's my opinion as a layman.

I don't think there's a sensible 2-base push that would have accomplished anything. Maybe something with tanks but at best that means PartinG stops the pressure and just backstabs you with the warp prism while your stuff isn't at home.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
November 28 2015 14:39 GMT
#539
On November 28 2015 23:37 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 23:36 Pursuit_ wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:32 Big J wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:29 Pursuit_ wrote:
On November 28 2015 23:24 SBGamer wrote:


Lategame is terran favored NOW. Liberators are getting figured (or nerfed) out like the hots 3 rax timings. Sooner or later Liberator are going to be useless to build. We also thought Marauder Hellbat was good in HOTS as a new composition in the first months, but it got figured out aswell.


You can 'figure out' how to micro against 1-4 Liberators. You can't 'figure out' how to micro against 10+, you can either overrun them with vastly superior numbers, go around them or not let Terran get there to begin with.


Or make a tech that is just good against them as we have seen from many Protoss by including tempests.

Which is exactly like telling Terran to make ghosts and vikings to counter high templar and Collosi. It was theoretically possible, but much easier for Protoss than for terran in execution, and eventually terran gave up on that style altogether.


The game is two weeks old and you already know what's possible or not?

Not at all, just my observations as a terran who plays for late game bio liberator every game in TvP.
In Somnis Veritas
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
November 28 2015 14:39 GMT
#540
On November 28 2015 23:31 HeroMystic wrote:
I'm Terran-biased (despite playing Random) and I loved all of those games (except game 1 'cause I didn't watch it).

My only form of balance whine is how easily Adepts shred a mineral line, mainly because Blizzard nerfed Blue Flame Hellions for the same reason.

Otherwise, I love the display of TvP right now. If games continue to be like that then LotV is looking better than I initially thought.

I would be OK with a small nerf to the adept damage so that it doesn't 2-shot workers without the upgrade but the upgrade would increase damage and attack speed at the same time.
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