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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1301
drg is better at mlb, ill never say otherwise
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1302
thank god it is bio, hopefully bio can bring it to game 7
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1303
On October 04 2015 17:39 LastManProductions wrote:
For those complaining about Terran, Innovation is the only Terran to win a GSL since MVP back in 2012.


And the only terran who made it to the finals as well.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 04 2015 08:41 GMT
#1304
anyway can we talk about actual games instead of having some people realize that mech > zerg 6 months late?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
October 04 2015 08:41 GMT
#1305
On October 04 2015 17:36 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:35 HellHound wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:31 pure.Wasted wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:30 Solar424 wrote:
PDD is the second most flawed mechanic in the game, next to forcefields. It just negates pretty much every attack that can hit it, and the sky terran army


What about Blinding Cloud?


You can walk out of a blinding cloud and keep attacking. Good luck doing that with a PDD


Siege Tanks can walk out of blinding cloud now?

By the same virtue, you can bait PDDs and not engage.

And then what?
You tech to what?
You make what army?
Mech isn't unbeatable but pretending that the extremelate game 180 supply army is not invincible is hilarious


We're not talking about balance at all. We're talking about abilities with zero interaction. Blinding Cloud vs mech effectively is one, same as PDD, same as Force Fields.

Rofl
You can spread out the tanks, zone/snipe the vipers with vikings etc.
vipers can try to flank to avoid the vikings

You can run away from pdd or have enough units to break through
you can't have great pdd usage you just spam them when an engage happens
you can't micro vs pdds you just run or commit
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 04 2015 08:41 GMT
#1306
On October 04 2015 17:40 bo1b wrote:
drg is better at mlb, ill never say otherwise


in his prime drg was just as good, maybe leenock as well. byul is in their tier though.
Calt
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland1140 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-04 08:42:02
October 04 2015 08:41 GMT
#1307
Inno going for bio, lookin forward to Terraform!
Maru | MMA | Ryung | MKP | NaDa | BoxeR | FOREVER SLAYERS
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
October 04 2015 08:41 GMT
#1308
Innovation doesn't have it in him to end Hots with a mech game
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
October 04 2015 08:41 GMT
#1309
Bio? I smell a game 7
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
October 04 2015 08:41 GMT
#1310
On October 04 2015 17:38 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see the problem with the last game. Zerg should have hit a timing, or set up a contain, and ended the game before letting Terran get to where it got.

That's all there is to it. That was super technical from Innovation, blaming the mechanics is a bit disrespectful to the amount of effort that went in there for both players.


It was a great game from INno, but unkillable compositions are very troubling, whether it's BC/Viking/Raven or LOTV's Carrier deathblob. There should always be a counter.

(I'm not saying that Zerg can't possibly counter that composition, I have absolutely no idea.)
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
October 04 2015 08:42 GMT
#1311
On October 04 2015 17:39 YyapSsap wrote:
That is beatable. Imo it really depends on who doesnt mentally drop the ball. For instance byul couldve just used a corrupter/viper ball with infestors and spores and just hook/kill units one by one whether its a viking or not.

The player who mentally lapses or gets impatient loses in those situations tbh. Byul I think lost mentally because he couldve have gotten 4~5 sh and harass the main while dancing vs the mech death ball.

In that last engagement neural parasite on the BCs wouldve actually worked.


Byul hooked a shit load of units, Inno just PDDed and ran it back to safety half the time.

Blocking 20 attacks from one PDD is absolutely ridiculous.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 04 2015 08:42 GMT
#1312
On October 04 2015 17:40 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:30 Seeker wrote:
Okay... I love INno and all... But that was seriously the most frustrating game to watch ever... What a crappy style to play... :/

Stop cheering for Terrans. Cheering for Terran is cheering for that.


That's not true at all. Cheering for players is not cheering for their mechanics, wtf

It is, at least to some extent. How they play is very important in cheering for them.


You're suggesting that people either stop cheering for Innovation or hope that he plays a style that gives him a much greater chance of losing, then? I can understand frustration with a particular style - Swarm hosts made me furious - but I don't sympathize with the idea that the players should be held accountable.

you don't have to hate the player, but it's hard to actively cheer for one who's going to win in a way that is both frustrating to play against and watch.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 04 2015 08:42 GMT
#1313
On October 04 2015 17:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bio? I smell a game 7

close spawns Cactus, you either all-in or lose your 4th
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
duckk
Profile Joined March 2013
United States622 Posts
October 04 2015 08:42 GMT
#1314
On October 04 2015 17:41 Ej_ wrote:
anyway can we talk about actual games instead of having some people realize that mech > zerg 6 months late?


It would be fine if blizzard didn't lie and say it was balanced.

Innovation has planned this series really well regardless of how dumb his wins have been.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
October 04 2015 08:42 GMT
#1315
On October 04 2015 17:40 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:30 Seeker wrote:
Okay... I love INno and all... But that was seriously the most frustrating game to watch ever... What a crappy style to play... :/

Stop cheering for Terrans. Cheering for Terran is cheering for that.


That's not true at all. Cheering for players is not cheering for their mechanics, wtf

It is, at least to some extent. How they play is very important in cheering for them.


You're suggesting that people either stop cheering for Innovation or hope that he plays a style that gives him a much greater chance of losing, then? I can understand frustration with a particular style - Swarm hosts made me furious - but I don't sympathize with the idea that the players should be held accountable.

Totally agree. Same thing applied to BL/infestor; I hated that playstyle with a passion, but when someone played it particularly well, or did something crazy with it, like Leenock vs HerO, you have to respect the player himself.
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
October 04 2015 08:43 GMT
#1316
uh oh spaghetti o
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
October 04 2015 08:43 GMT
#1317
On October 04 2015 17:41 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:38 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see the problem with the last game. Zerg should have hit a timing, or set up a contain, and ended the game before letting Terran get to where it got.

That's all there is to it. That was super technical from Innovation, blaming the mechanics is a bit disrespectful to the amount of effort that went in there for both players.


It was a great game from INno, but unkillable compositions are very troubling, whether it's BC/Viking/Raven or LOTV's Carrier deathblob. There should always be a counter.

(I'm not saying that Zerg can't possibly counter that composition, I have absolutely no idea.)

You can't really counter it it's more about having enough gas to do it.
I agree tho you can't really play like that vs mech
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 04 2015 08:43 GMT
#1318
Ugh Byul where is your spotting overlord
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 04 2015 08:43 GMT
#1319
GumBa crying tears of joy
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
October 04 2015 08:43 GMT
#1320
I'm about to cry for byul
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