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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 04 2015 08:38 GMT
#1281
I don't see the problem with the last game. Zerg should have hit a timing, or set up a contain, and ended the game before letting Terran get to where it got.

That's all there is to it. That was super technical from Innovation, blaming the mechanics is a bit disrespectful to the amount of effort that went in there for both players.
maru lover forever
duckk
Profile Joined March 2013
United States622 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1282
I wonder what the impact of removing PF's from the game would be. Would give zerg a chance to actually attack and force terran to position better without nerfing any actual unit.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1283
On October 04 2015 17:38 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:36 LastManProductions wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:33 mderg wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 LastManProductions wrote:
And people complained about Swarm Hosts...lol...only in the end do they realize ...It was mech's fault all along.

Swarm Hosts in PvZ were at least as awful as Swarm Host vs mech ZvT


There was a lot more that Protoss could do to counter Swarm Hosts. It actually took more skill then was given credit for zerg to go late game SH and execute it really well.


only Snute could do it at the top level consistently.

RorO too ! But he was only playing in Proleague pretty much
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1284
On October 04 2015 17:38 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:36 LastManProductions wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:33 mderg wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 LastManProductions wrote:
And people complained about Swarm Hosts...lol...only in the end do they realize ...It was mech's fault all along.

Swarm Hosts in PvZ were at least as awful as Swarm Host vs mech ZvT


There was a lot more that Protoss could do to counter Swarm Hosts. It actually took more skill then was given credit for zerg to go late game SH and execute it really well.


only Snute could do it at the top level consistently.

he forced herO to become the best anti-SH player
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1285
On October 04 2015 17:38 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see the problem with the last game. Zerg should have hit a timing, or set up a contain, and ended the game before letting Terran get to where it got.

That's all there is to it. That was super technical from Innovation, blaming the mechanics is a bit disrespectful to the amount of effort that went in there for both players.

so like immortal all-in vs BL/inf?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1286
That is beatable. Imo it really depends on who doesnt mentally drop the ball. For instance byul couldve just used a corrupter/viper ball with infestors and spores and just hook/kill units one by one whether its a viking or not.

The player who mentally lapses or gets impatient loses in those situations tbh. Byul I think lost mentally because he couldve have gotten 4~5 sh and harass the main while dancing vs the mech death ball.

In that last engagement neural parasite on the BCs wouldve actually worked.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1287
BLIZZARD PLEASE BUFF BIO! WE WANT BIO AGAIN!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Jinchu
Profile Joined April 2015
89 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1288
On October 04 2015 17:37 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:36 Jinchu wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:34 The_Templar wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:30 Seeker wrote:
Okay... I love INno and all... But that was seriously the most frustrating game to watch ever... What a crappy style to play... :/

Stop cheering for Terrans. Cheering for Terran is cheering for that.


That's not true at all. Cheering for players is not cheering for their mechanics, wtf

Cheering for a player is at least in part cheering for how they play, no?

For fans of foreign players, it's usually more primal.

Yes, but for a player like INnoVation it's a little harder to cheer for anything besides his play

I like to think that Korean players are expressing themselves through their play.
LastManProductions
Profile Joined September 2013
United States252 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1289
For those complaining about Terran, Innovation is the only Terran to win a GSL since MVP back in 2012.
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1290
On October 04 2015 17:37 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:30 Seeker wrote:
Okay... I love INno and all... But that was seriously the most frustrating game to watch ever... What a crappy style to play... :/

Stop cheering for Terrans. Cheering for Terran is cheering for that.


That's not true at all. Cheering for players is not cheering for their mechanics, wtf

It is, at least to some extent. How they play is very important in cheering for them.


nah that cant be right. Stephano was one of themost beloved foreigners. He was also a wild abuser of both bl/infestr and SH

ugh, not beloved by all. that guy just rubbed me the wrong way, both in play and personality, ever since IPL3 lol
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1291
On October 04 2015 17:39 Seeker wrote:
BLIZZARD PLEASE BUFF BIO! WE WANT BIO AGAIN!

after years of people asking mech to be viable, look where we are
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
October 04 2015 08:39 GMT
#1292
On October 04 2015 17:36 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:35 HellHound wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:31 pure.Wasted wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:30 Solar424 wrote:
PDD is the second most flawed mechanic in the game, next to forcefields. It just negates pretty much every attack that can hit it, and the sky terran army


What about Blinding Cloud?


You can walk out of a blinding cloud and keep attacking. Good luck doing that with a PDD


Siege Tanks can walk out of blinding cloud now?

By the same virtue, you can bait PDDs and not engage.

And then what?
You tech to what?
You make what army?
Mech isn't unbeatable but pretending that the extremelate game 180 supply army is not invincible is hilarious


We're not talking about balance at all. We're talking about abilities with zero interaction. Blinding Cloud vs mech effectively is one, same as PDD, same as Force Fields.


Not at all. PDD is much more effective in what it does than blinding cloud. Splitting versus blinding cloud works, splitting against PDD doesn't. You actually have to blinding cloud in a good location instead of throwing PDDs hap-hazardously in front of you
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1293
On October 04 2015 17:38 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see the problem with the last game. Zerg should have hit a timing, or set up a contain, and ended the game before letting Terran get to where it got.

That's all there is to it. That was super technical from Innovation, blaming the mechanics is a bit disrespectful to the amount of effort that went in there for both players.

Both players put a ton of effort into that game

And Innovation won in the end easily because the threw down 4000 PDDs

See why people are mad?
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1294
On October 04 2015 17:39 Seeker wrote:
BLIZZARD PLEASE BUFF BIO! WE WANT BIO AGAIN!


NO, WE WANT LESS RETARDED MECH, NOT MORE RETARDED BIO!!!
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1295
On October 04 2015 17:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:30 Seeker wrote:
Okay... I love INno and all... But that was seriously the most frustrating game to watch ever... What a crappy style to play... :/

Stop cheering for Terrans. Cheering for Terran is cheering for that.


That's not true at all. Cheering for players is not cheering for their mechanics, wtf

It is, at least to some extent. How they play is very important in cheering for them.


You're suggesting that people either stop cheering for Innovation or hope that he plays a style that gives him a much greater chance of losing, then? I can understand frustration with a particular style - Swarm hosts made me furious - but I don't sympathize with the idea that the players should be held accountable.
AdministratorBreak the chains
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1296
On October 04 2015 17:39 Jinchu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:37 The_Templar wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:36 Jinchu wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:34 The_Templar wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 04 2015 17:30 Seeker wrote:
Okay... I love INno and all... But that was seriously the most frustrating game to watch ever... What a crappy style to play... :/

Stop cheering for Terrans. Cheering for Terran is cheering for that.


That's not true at all. Cheering for players is not cheering for their mechanics, wtf

Cheering for a player is at least in part cheering for how they play, no?

For fans of foreign players, it's usually more primal.

Yes, but for a player like INnoVation it's a little harder to cheer for anything besides his play

I like to think that Korean players are expressing themselves through their play.


everyone expresses themselves through their play to an extent.
Moderator
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1297
#TeamINno!!

INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1298
On October 04 2015 17:40 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 17:39 Seeker wrote:
BLIZZARD PLEASE BUFF BIO! WE WANT BIO AGAIN!


NO, WE WANT LESS RETARDED MECH, NOT MORE RETARDED BIO!!!


Why do you post in caps half the time?
AdministratorBreak the chains
TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1299
On October 04 2015 17:39 Seeker wrote:
BLIZZARD PLEASE BUFF BIO! WE WANT BIO AGAIN!

They heard your cries and have introduced 8 armor ultras in legacy!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 04 2015 08:40 GMT
#1300
On October 04 2015 17:36 The_Templar wrote:
GSL Finals: (Z)ByuL vs (T)INnoVation

Game 6
———————————————
2-3

Map: Cactus Valley

ByuL spawns in the bottom left
INnoVation spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatchery first vs CC first.
Third hatch/pool/gas for byuL, barracks/gas -> marine for INnoVation.

3:00
Bunker at INnoVation's natural.

4:00
Factory begins production.
Three queens for ByuL.

5:00
Lair for ByuL.
INnoVation getting two more barracks.
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