On June 30 2015 19:36 graNite wrote: I dont get why they are so Stalker heavy against someone how has only marauders every game...
What else do you get? If you go zealots, Maru will just drop on your army and make colo pretty useless.
double robo colossus and immortals maybe?
That would mean certain death in early game or gas starved in mid.
Only way to play against Maru is either Rain style = perfect defence or cheese = Parting. Toss have to prepare builds to catch Maru off guard. Use phoenixes to counter drops in early game and then defend well enough to eventually kill him with deathball
To be fair, it's pretty hard to kill Maru with deathball pre-storm. Watch herO vs Maru (SSL) g1 for an example of this.
On June 30 2015 19:36 graNite wrote: I dont get why they are so Stalker heavy against someone how has only marauders every game...
If you don't have stalkers, you'd probably get dropped all over Collosi
It's still a mistake IMO. Against that style (no vikings) if you get 0 stalkers, chargelots and cannons in each base and can make some archons, you'll win. It's not easy, but Zest definitely wildly overmade stalkers.
play one game like that and see how hard it is to defend EVERYWHERE in your base. Are you gonna put fking cannons everywhere in your base whie trying to replace charelots, cannons, getting archons AND colossus, on how many bases???????
On June 30 2015 19:36 MarianoSC2 wrote: Maru is a GOD against Terran and absolutely amazing against most Protoss if they dont have enough time to prepare. Only Life can beat him I think
Rain and herO made it look easy against him... also Maru is a GOD against terran????
TvT is Marus best matchup by far. He almost always 2:0 every Terran he goes head to head with. Absolute GOD. Yeah Toss can stop him but Zest and Stats are not Rain or Parting. hero got lucky, Maru underestimated him in that match
On June 30 2015 19:41 Soularion wrote: I think in general the correct answer to maru's style is just to play defensively with the fairly standard unit composition, and continue to weather the storm while getting zealot (or DT) harass on the back of it. Or, just hit a huge timing.
well yeah myungsik (lol) and rain kind of laid the blueprint against the style. only myungsik never counter attacked or harassed and just collapsed by giving away colossi and his phoenixes to widow mine.
It did snowball a bit. He lost 11 probes he shouldn't have, then couldnt hold his third. Judging whether stalker collossi is good vs Maru from that point on is silly.
On June 30 2015 19:41 Soularion wrote: I think in general the correct answer to maru's style is just to play defensively with the fairly standard unit composition, and continue to weather the storm while getting zealot (or DT) harass on the back of it. Or, just hit a huge timing.
I don't even think you particularly need to harass. Have cannons and units in each base, play hugely defensive while relying on 5-6 colossi to hold any frontal push. DTs can be a great tool, especially if you have to basetrade.
On June 30 2015 19:41 Soularion wrote: I think in general the correct answer to maru's style is just to play defensively with the fairly standard unit composition, and continue to weather the storm while getting zealot (or DT) harass on the back of it. Or, just hit a huge timing.
well yeah myungsik (lol) and rain kind of laid the blueprint against the style. only myungsik never counter attacked or harassed and just collapsed by giving away colossi and his phoenixes to widow mine.
Yeah. It's just that not many protosses have the multitasking or perfect defense required. Of course, that's fair. A very high multitask style like Maru's style /should/ be hard to counter. Just as long as it's not impossible, it's perfectly fine.
EPT
