EPT[Code S] Ro4 Day 1 Season 2 2015 - Page 27
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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Penev
28453 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + inb4 someone violently defends gold bases | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 17 2015 20:59 Penev wrote: Let's at least all agree that gold bases are stupid + Show Spoiler + inb4 someone violently defends gold bases It depends. Gold bases placed without much thoughts are stupid. Gold bases can also be excellent, like on Habitation. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On June 17 2015 21:01 OtherWorld wrote: It depends. Gold bases placed without much thoughts are stupid. Gold bases can also be excellent, like on Habitation. What. Do you remember tvz, pvz, pvt on habitation? | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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w3c.TruE
Czech Republic1055 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
From the looks of things, taking the gold base seems a good choice. It is defendable, and doesn't put you that way behind even it is sniped, so it's a risk with a big pay-out with low downside. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 17 2015 21:02 bo1b wrote: What. Do you remember tvz, pvz, pvt on habitation? I remember that it gave us various styles in all MUs, it was a true innovation as a map, all while remaining statistically decently balanced (see here). I'd even argue that most of its flaws, that existed, dont get me wrong, were more caused by it being an axial symetry map than by the gold bases. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Especially when they are this easy to defend. The center gold on Vaani is fine, the other two are problematic. But I do like the mechanic of having different style bases, but Zealots suck and protoss has nothing mineral-heavy to compensate for a gold base. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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Penev
28453 Posts
On June 17 2015 21:01 OtherWorld wrote: It depends. Gold bases placed without much thoughts are stupid. Gold bases can also be excellent, like on Habitation. Really? I found that map, the whole gold mineral thing really, gimmicky. Map are never going to be absolutely balanced but they should be made as balanced as possible imo; Things like gold bases make that harder to do. On June 17 2015 21:13 bo1b wrote: I wish thedwf was here to list every example of bullshit deployed by protoss via 2 base gold builds on habitation station in literally every match up. Where is he? Haven't seen him for quite a while | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 17 2015 21:13 bo1b wrote: I wish thedwf was here to list every example of bullshit deployed by protoss via 2 base gold builds on habitation station in literally every match up. Yes, but other races had cool shit as well. On June 17 2015 21:14 Penev wrote: Really? I found that map, the whole gold mineral thing really, gimmicky. Map are never going to be absolutely balanced but they should be made as balanced as possible imo; Things like gold bases make that harder to do. Where is he? Haven't seen him for quite a while I find that it's one of the rare maps that managed to incorporate a creative and experimental (or "gimmicky" if you wanna call it that) element without being too gimmicky. But that's just personal opinion and, ultimately, a matter of taste d: And yeah I wonder where he is too | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
The only reason why a Protoss would cannon rush is to counter a quick expansion before pool by a greedy Zerg. Hence, I don't see cannon rush as being cheesy, as it's purely reactive and doesn't kill you on its own (as compared to 2-rax, 2-gate, or 6pool). Not saying that Protoss doesn't have cheesy builds in early to mid game. But I just feel that in the super early game, Zerg and Terran has more chance to cheese rush or economic greed, and still not be behind substantially (failed 2-rax transition to normal game, cannoned gold base transition to normal expo). | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19213 Posts
On June 17 2015 20:41 GTR wrote: hard to imagine first cj major league finalist since hydra (pdpop msl 2011) And it had to be a zerg too. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2623 Posts
On June 17 2015 21:02 bo1b wrote: What. Do you remember tvz, pvz, pvt on habitation? Yes, it was glorious + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mVzXMKk.jpg) | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36969 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On June 17 2015 21:20 RKC wrote: Close gold base is unfair to Protosses, clearly. Zerg always has an easier time expanding, while Terran can float CC in and out. And Protoss gateway units suck. The only reason why a Protoss would cannon rush is to counter a quick expansion before pool by a greedy Zerg. Hence, I don't see cannon rush as being cheesy, as it's purely reactive and doesn't kill you on its own (as compared to 2-rax, 2-gate, or 6pool). Not saying that Protoss doesn't have cheesy builds in early to mid game. But I just feel that in the super early game, Zerg and Terran has more chance to cheese rush or economic greed, and still not be behind substantially (failed 2-rax transition to normal game, cannoned gold base transition to normal expo). Gold base immortal sentry all in was borderline unstoppable without a major blunder from protoss in pvz, for pvt check out just about any game on habitation station to see what gold base protoss can do. I'm not saying that gold bases aren't good for zerg or terran, I'm saying that acting like protoss didn't have access to some of the most gimmicky bullshit is just completely untrue. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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