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Really awesome how far Valdes has gone btw, I think he pairs well with any of the others and brings out the best in them. His analysis might not be super strong, but I think he has become a really good caster otherwise.
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On June 17 2015 20:41 GTR wrote:
hard to imagine first cj major league finalist since hydra (pdpop msl 2011)
Does KeSPA Cup not count?
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On June 17 2015 20:41 GTR wrote:
hard to imagine first cj major league finalist since hydra (pdpop msl 2011)
He's still got enough residual IM left in him to win too!
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On June 17 2015 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:39 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On June 17 2015 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
PatchZerg wins. FMLiquibet You mean the patch that nerfed his race? you mean the patch that increased abduct range? checkmate Lot's of abducts in this series No Collosi either. Coincidence? (it very well may be because sOs is the greatest wing-it player of all times, but well :p)
Who needs collosi when two basing or 3 stargate builds exist though?
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On June 17 2015 20:40 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:40 Penev wrote:On June 17 2015 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On June 17 2015 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
PatchZerg wins. FMLiquibet You mean the patch that nerfed his race? you mean the patch that increased abduct range? checkmate All those abducts this series, just crazy To be fair, having increased abduct range does matter even if it's not used. We didn't see sOs go for colossus even once.
Yeah sure, I don't think Ej_ was that serious either
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hey im sad about him losing too but byul did just outplay him, his postioning and engagement taking was smart, and his long series game plan worked out really well.
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On June 17 2015 20:41 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:37 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:35 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:32 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:30 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:29 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:28 Alucen-Will- wrote:On June 17 2015 20:26 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:23 owlman wrote:
i hate those imba gold base ... get rid of those map next season plz Freewin map, after a 6pool BO win. Yet people call him the GSL winner and give 5 stars for that excuse of a game.The Byul hypetrain is pathetic, rofl I do think gold bases are rather imbalanced but you have to give Byul credit for having the guts to pull out a 6 pool in that situation. Great players have qualities like that, and Byul has hung in there against sOs craziness Oh yes, I like Byul, but that was not a 5 star game and the attitude of a couple of people here is really silly. Don't act like you're not hyping your favorite players like hell when they win (like when Maru win for example^^) I don't vote 1star games up to 5, no. Nor do I pretend Iron Fortress or Vaani are remotely close to being an even playing field in ZvP, no  Voting games is subjective, you can't ask people to vote in all objectiveness. There was an era when even a stupid TvP win would get tons of 5 stars because Terran won. While I dislike both maps, Vaani and IF are both decently balanced in ZvP http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/maps/684_Vaani_Research_Stationhttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/maps/680_Iron_Fortress You should consider the type of game though, and at the highest level I very rarely see Protoss win these games without Zerg fucking up. So does my ladder experience tell me, but that is less valuable of a source ! Of course, that would be a totally different analysis ; but while it means that these maps may be favoring one race or the other depending of the game's scenario, it also means that they are, on average, an even playing field for both races. Thus a win obtained on these maps is not particularly to be dispised, unlike a ZvP win on Daedalus 1.0 for example
I'll slightly disagree with you on that.
It means that the further into a season we get, the 'bad' Zergs that screw up and lose to all-ins because they didn't read them are gone. They do affect the map balance score. Later in the season, the map becomes favored for Zerg but because of the number of games played, it hardly affects the balance score.
I hope I explained that clear enough :s
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On June 17 2015 20:38 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
PatchZerg wins. FMLiquibet You mean the patch that nerfed his race? you mean the patch that increased abduct range? checkmate
I bet you were using the "but siege tanks have lower cooldown !" argument back when the mines got nerfed d:
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On June 17 2015 20:43 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:39 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On June 17 2015 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
PatchZerg wins. FMLiquibet You mean the patch that nerfed his race? you mean the patch that increased abduct range? checkmate Lot's of abducts in this series No Collosi either. Coincidence? (it very well may be because sOs is the greatest wing-it player of all times, but well :p) Who needs collosi when two basing or 3 stargate builds exist though?
If you don't understand the mistake in reasoning you are making here, all hope is lost.
If you do, stop trolling and get a hobby.
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On June 17 2015 20:43 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:41 GTR wrote:
hard to imagine first cj major league finalist since hydra (pdpop msl 2011) Does KeSPA Cup not count?
Well it's a cup, not a league.
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too bad sOs missplaced canons at goldbase, otherwise it would have gone other way and not just srtuggling
but w.e. Rain takes both of this worms in a straight way
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On June 17 2015 20:43 Musicus wrote:
Really awesome how far Valdes has gone btw, I think he pairs well with any of the others and brings out the best in them. His analysis might not be super strong, but I think he has become a really good caster otherwise.
I agree and he's is humble about his analysis skills so it's ok really
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On June 17 2015 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:43 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:39 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On June 17 2015 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
PatchZerg wins. FMLiquibet You mean the patch that nerfed his race? you mean the patch that increased abduct range? checkmate Lot's of abducts in this series No Collosi either. Coincidence? (it very well may be because sOs is the greatest wing-it player of all times, but well :p) Who needs collosi when two basing or 3 stargate builds exist though? If you don't understand the mistake in reasoning you are making here, all hope is lost. If you do, stop trolling and get a hobby.
Wow toasty, what's wrong with you today?
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On June 17 2015 20:47 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:43 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:39 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On June 17 2015 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
PatchZerg wins. FMLiquibet You mean the patch that nerfed his race? you mean the patch that increased abduct range? checkmate Lot's of abducts in this series No Collosi either. Coincidence? (it very well may be because sOs is the greatest wing-it player of all times, but well :p) Who needs collosi when two basing or 3 stargate builds exist though? If you don't understand the mistake in reasoning you are making here, all hope is lost. If you do, stop trolling and get a hobby. Wow toasty, what's wrong with you today?
Low tolerance for stupidity, I guess. Finals week does that to me. I should have a Snickers ^^
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On June 17 2015 20:44 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:41 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:37 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:35 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:32 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:30 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:29 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:28 Alucen-Will- wrote:On June 17 2015 20:26 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:23 owlman wrote:
i hate those imba gold base ... get rid of those map next season plz Freewin map, after a 6pool BO win. Yet people call him the GSL winner and give 5 stars for that excuse of a game.The Byul hypetrain is pathetic, rofl I do think gold bases are rather imbalanced but you have to give Byul credit for having the guts to pull out a 6 pool in that situation. Great players have qualities like that, and Byul has hung in there against sOs craziness Oh yes, I like Byul, but that was not a 5 star game and the attitude of a couple of people here is really silly. Don't act like you're not hyping your favorite players like hell when they win (like when Maru win for example^^) I don't vote 1star games up to 5, no. Nor do I pretend Iron Fortress or Vaani are remotely close to being an even playing field in ZvP, no Voting games is subjective, you can't ask people to vote in all objectiveness. There was an era when even a stupid TvP win would get tons of 5 stars because Terran won. While I dislike both maps, Vaani and IF are both decently balanced in ZvP http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/maps/684_Vaani_Research_Stationhttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/maps/680_Iron_Fortress You should consider the type of game though, and at the highest level I very rarely see Protoss win these games without Zerg fucking up. So does my ladder experience tell me, but that is less valuable of a source ! Of course, that would be a totally different analysis ; but while it means that these maps may be favoring one race or the other depending of the game's scenario, it also means that they are, on average, an even playing field for both races. Thus a win obtained on these maps is not particularly to be dispised, unlike a ZvP win on Daedalus 1.0 for example I'll slightly disagree with you on that. It means that the further into a season we get, the 'bad' Zergs that screw up and lose to all-ins because they didn't read them are gone. They do affect the map balance score. Later in the season, the map becomes favored for Zerg but because of the number of games played, it hardly affects the balance score. I hope I explained that clear enough :s
Yeah I get your idea. Seems to makes sense, although it would need a precise analysis.
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On June 17 2015 20:48 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:47 Penev wrote:On June 17 2015 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:43 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:39 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On June 17 2015 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
PatchZerg wins. FMLiquibet You mean the patch that nerfed his race? you mean the patch that increased abduct range? checkmate Lot's of abducts in this series No Collosi either. Coincidence? (it very well may be because sOs is the greatest wing-it player of all times, but well :p) Who needs collosi when two basing or 3 stargate builds exist though? If you don't understand the mistake in reasoning you are making here, all hope is lost. If you do, stop trolling and get a hobby. Wow toasty, what's wrong with you today? Low tolerance for stupidity, I guess. Finals week does that to me. I should have a Snickers ^^
You might want to read back your own posts (look in the mirror) but at least get that snickers first idd; You seem very hangry
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On June 17 2015 20:52 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:48 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:47 Penev wrote:On June 17 2015 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:43 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:39 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On June 17 2015 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
PatchZerg wins. FMLiquibet You mean the patch that nerfed his race? you mean the patch that increased abduct range? checkmate Lot's of abducts in this series No Collosi either. Coincidence? (it very well may be because sOs is the greatest wing-it player of all times, but well :p) Who needs collosi when two basing or 3 stargate builds exist though? If you don't understand the mistake in reasoning you are making here, all hope is lost. If you do, stop trolling and get a hobby. Wow toasty, what's wrong with you today? Low tolerance for stupidity, I guess. Finals week does that to me. I should have a Snickers ^^ You might want to read back your own posts (look in the mirror) but at least get that snickers first idd; You seem very hangry
Top-level pun right there d:
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I'm going to Hungary on vacation this summer, maybe that explains :p
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On June 17 2015 20:47 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:43 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 17 2015 20:39 bo1b wrote:On June 17 2015 20:38 Ej_ wrote:On June 17 2015 20:37 OtherWorld wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
PatchZerg wins. FMLiquibet You mean the patch that nerfed his race? you mean the patch that increased abduct range? checkmate Lot's of abducts in this series No Collosi either. Coincidence? (it very well may be because sOs is the greatest wing-it player of all times, but well :p) Who needs collosi when two basing or 3 stargate builds exist though? If you don't understand the mistake in reasoning you are making here, all hope is lost. If you do, stop trolling and get a hobby. Wow toasty, what's wrong with you today?
The player he wanted to win lost, he made a lot of salty posts about it in a low amount of time, got called out for it, tried to play off being a dick, called out on it again, and has proceeded to the final destination of taking the high ground in regards to balance wining.
"These two maps are imbalanced" which is well and good when talking about the average zvp but complaining about losing nexus first vs a 6 pool is stupid as shit in the same way that cannon rush vs 2 hatch before pool on that map is just as stupid a way to lose, and the following game was a failed cheese. Oh well.
Gold bases are stupid though.
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