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Scarlett vs RuFF Double Harvest Showmatch - Page 2

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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
June 06 2015 21:08 GMT
#21
What we learned here, cheese is good in this economy
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Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
June 06 2015 21:09 GMT
#22
Showmatch is organized to study effects of economic tweaks on expansion play. Players cheese every game.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
June 06 2015 21:17 GMT
#23
On June 07 2015 06:09 Hier wrote:
Showmatch is organized to study effects of economic tweaks on expansion play. Players cheese every game.

I played on DH9 and it felt really bad ;(
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 06 2015 21:25 GMT
#24
made it just in time for the rubber match
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Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
June 06 2015 21:25 GMT
#25
On June 07 2015 06:17 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 06:09 Hier wrote:
Showmatch is organized to study effects of economic tweaks on expansion play. Players cheese every game.

I played on DH9 and it felt really bad ;(

How come? Maybe just unusual?
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 06 2015 21:34 GMT
#26
On June 07 2015 06:09 Hier wrote:
Showmatch is organized to study effects of economic tweaks on expansion play. Players cheese every game.

actually cheese is stronger since saturation on lower workers is more efficient (at least relatively to how it fares vs non-cheese in SC2 mining)
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
June 06 2015 21:51 GMT
#27
thank you for organizing.
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Bacon_Infinity
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada212 Posts
June 06 2015 22:09 GMT
#28
no problem, it was a lot of fun :D

we saw more cheese than we were expecting but got a good explanation of why from them after which was really cool
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Butters (Scot)
Profile Joined January 2015
Scotland471 Posts
June 06 2015 22:14 GMT
#29
On June 07 2015 06:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
What we learned here, cheese is good in this economy


the mineral difference means timings are outta the window thats why its so weird lol

main thing is getting games played on the mod, worst case its something that blizz can tuck away for a rainy day a couple of years down the line if they want to fresh the game up when the timings are figured out to the point of boredom

ty to Bacon_Infinity and meltdown
One rule in life, do what ever you want as long as you're not hurting anyone else (unless they are into that kinda thing ;) )
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 06 2015 22:14 GMT
#30
On June 07 2015 07:09 Bacon_Infinity wrote:
no problem, it was a lot of fun :D

we saw more cheese than we were expecting but got a good explanation of why from them after which was really cool


Shouldn't have been surprising honestly.
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Cluster__
Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
June 06 2015 22:22 GMT
#31
vods?
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Cluster__
Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
June 06 2015 22:23 GMT
#32
nvm found them here: http://www.twitch.tv/bacon_infinity/b/666565473
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Bacon_Infinity
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada212 Posts
June 06 2015 22:40 GMT
#33
Twitch VODs kind of suck so we put them up on youtube

It's still processing but will be up soon

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BlackLilium
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland426 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-13 10:47:20
June 13 2015 10:46 GMT
#34
On June 07 2015 06:09 Hier wrote:
Showmatch is organized to study effects of economic tweaks on expansion play. Players cheese every game.


Cheese, early agression and cutting out workers for a bigger army - these tactics seem more valid for DH9. I don't think they are OP though. If the defender knew about the new timings and aggression posibilities, he would be better prepared.
For example - that match where Scarlett went roaches on 8 mineral-mining workers. RuFF was surprised to see it so early and was not prepared. But if he knew that could happen, he could have scouted a bit earlier and raise an appriopriate defense - e.g. have a bunker actually finished.

In early days of WoL there were openers that people didn't know how to respond, too.
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