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dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
May 09 2015 21:13 GMT
#2921
On May 10 2015 06:11 Yorkie wrote:
Not every comp should be viable in every matchup LOL. "Siege tanks were good vs toss in BW therefore they should be good in sc2" is a shit argument


i've seen some players make siege tanks work in bio composition vs toss. but it's really rare and mostly depends on exploiting maps and positioning.
Zest, Rain, Life, Stats, Flash, PartinG, herO
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 09 2015 21:13 GMT
#2922
On May 10 2015 06:11 Yorkie wrote:
Not every comp should be viable in every matchup LOL. "Siege tanks were good vs toss in BW therefore they should be good in sc2" is a shit argument

Here we go, the usual super short-sighted remarks
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
May 09 2015 21:13 GMT
#2923
On May 10 2015 06:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:06 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
Playing best PvTer on earth. Go quick third and lose to insanely good decision making and micro.

"HEY GUYS! GUYS LISTEN! GUYS! MECH SUCKS! GUYS!"

The tears are real.


there is a reason nobody plays mech at the pro level...


This just in: Parting and Gumiho aren't programers. Good to know.


What he's saying is this only the 3rd game on pro lvl we've seen mech in a year. The others were Flash on Deadwing and the other I think was MMA. Not sure about the last one.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 09 2015 21:13 GMT
#2924
On May 10 2015 06:12 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:11 brickrd wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:06 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
Playing best PvTer on earth. Go quick third and lose to insanely good decision making and micro.

"HEY GUYS! GUYS LISTEN! GUYS! MECH SUCKS! GUYS!"

The tears are real.

what? everyone has always said mech sucks vs protoss. because it does. a lot. no one does it and it hardly works even when they do

the fast third was presumably to compensate for the fact that mech fucking sucks


Yoda won with it against San though. And I've seen Gumiho win with it many times too.

if the first thing you can say in defense of mechvp is "yoda won with it against san once" then you just made my own point for me
TL+ Member
Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
May 09 2015 21:13 GMT
#2925
On May 10 2015 06:12 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:12 Ctesias wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:10 KingAlphard wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:06 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
Playing best PvTer on earth. Go quick third and lose to insanely good decision making and micro.

"HEY GUYS! GUYS LISTEN! GUYS! MECH SUCKS! GUYS!"

The tears are real.


there is a reason nobody plays mech at the pro level...


It's weaker than bio but that doesn't mean that it SUX.


It is considerably weaker, which actually means it does suck.


Anything in this game is weaker than bio, including mech.

Bio, mech. What else is there?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 09 2015 21:13 GMT
#2926
On May 10 2015 06:12 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:10 KingAlphard wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:06 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
Playing best PvTer on earth. Go quick third and lose to insanely good decision making and micro.

"HEY GUYS! GUYS LISTEN! GUYS! MECH SUCKS! GUYS!"

The tears are real.


there is a reason nobody plays mech at the pro level...


It's weaker than bio but that doesn't mean that it SUX.



LOL, where is your proof for that? I can also say mass oracle phoenix doesn't suck vs terran and protoss players just don't play that because collossus builds are better.

maybe if you weren't [here I edited out some insults] you'd notice that a progamer chose mech as his strategy vs the best PvT player in the world
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
May 09 2015 21:14 GMT
#2927
Ugh roach hydra doesn't work against bio terran blizzard why can't you fix that my favorite comp should always be viable because I said so and because hydras were good in ZvT in brood war
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 09 2015 21:14 GMT
#2928
On May 10 2015 06:13 dazed25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:11 Yorkie wrote:
Not every comp should be viable in every matchup LOL. "Siege tanks were good vs toss in BW therefore they should be good in sc2" is a shit argument


i've seen some players make siege tanks work in bio composition vs toss. but it's really rare and mostly depends on exploiting maps and positioning.


Like Gumiho vs Parting, game 1 from the legendary DH Tours finals 2015.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
May 09 2015 21:14 GMT
#2929
On May 10 2015 06:13 Strela wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:12 Tiaraju9 wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:12 Ctesias wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:10 KingAlphard wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:06 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
Playing best PvTer on earth. Go quick third and lose to insanely good decision making and micro.

"HEY GUYS! GUYS LISTEN! GUYS! MECH SUCKS! GUYS!"

The tears are real.


there is a reason nobody plays mech at the pro level...


It's weaker than bio but that doesn't mean that it SUX.


It is considerably weaker, which actually means it does suck.


Anything in this game is weaker than bio, including mech.

Bio, mech. What else is there?


Sky Terran and Biomech.

Sadly, High Templar, Phoenix and Tempests murder Sky Terran hard.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 09 2015 21:14 GMT
#2930
On May 10 2015 06:13 dazed25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:11 Yorkie wrote:
Not every comp should be viable in every matchup LOL. "Siege tanks were good vs toss in BW therefore they should be good in sc2" is a shit argument


i've seen some players make siege tanks work in bio composition vs toss. but it's really rare and mostly depends on exploiting maps and positioning.

I think Gumiho already beat Parting(?) or some other high profile toss with marine-tank. It was on Nimbus though.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 09 2015 21:14 GMT
#2931
On May 10 2015 06:13 dazed25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:11 Yorkie wrote:
Not every comp should be viable in every matchup LOL. "Siege tanks were good vs toss in BW therefore they should be good in sc2" is a shit argument


i've seen some players make siege tanks work in bio composition vs toss. but it's really rare and mostly depends on exploiting maps and positioning.

siege tanks are for people who want RTS to be TBS anyway lol, its a horrible unit. "i took a good position and sieged therefore i deserve to win fights and win the game!"
TL+ Member
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
May 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#2932
On May 10 2015 06:13 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:12 KingAlphard wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:11 brickrd wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:06 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
Playing best PvTer on earth. Go quick third and lose to insanely good decision making and micro.

"HEY GUYS! GUYS LISTEN! GUYS! MECH SUCKS! GUYS!"

The tears are real.

what? everyone has always said mech sucks vs protoss. because it does. a lot. no one does it and it hardly works even when they do

the fast third was presumably to compensate for the fact that mech fucking sucks


Yoda won with it against San though. And I've seen Gumiho win with it many times too.

if the first thing you can say in defense of mechvp is "yoda won with it against san once" then you just made my own point for me


Well it's the most recent korean mech game in an important tournament that I remember ( I think it was proleague). But the winrates aren't that terrible.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#2933
On May 10 2015 06:14 Yorkie wrote:
Ugh roach hydra doesn't work against bio terran blizzard why can't you fix that my favorite comp should always be viable because I said so and because hydras were good in ZvT in brood war

They can't because they are clueless. They have been trying though, because they are not so clueless to believe pidgeonholing players into single possibilities is good.
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
May 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#2934
2 base blink i guess
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
May 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#2935
On May 10 2015 06:14 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:13 dazed25 wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:11 Yorkie wrote:
Not every comp should be viable in every matchup LOL. "Siege tanks were good vs toss in BW therefore they should be good in sc2" is a shit argument


i've seen some players make siege tanks work in bio composition vs toss. but it's really rare and mostly depends on exploiting maps and positioning.

siege tanks are for people who want RTS to be TBS anyway lol, its a horrible unit. "i took a good position and sieged therefore i deserve to win fights and win the game!"


Right, because the Colossus is a much more fun unit(!) :/
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
May 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#2936
Does Gumiho ever open normally?
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
May 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#2937
On May 10 2015 06:11 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:09 PoP wrote:
Gumiho decided to lose the game the moment he unsieged for absolutely no reason. Everything went downward from that point on

GuMiho decided to lose the game the moment he skipped stim


Excuse-me for my question, I'm just a nobody here, but are you actually Downfall the gm French terran player ?

I always read your alias "TheDwarf" for I don't know which reason before tonight ^_^
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
May 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#2938
On May 10 2015 06:14 brickrd wrote:
siege tanks are for people who want RTS to be TBS anyway lol, its a horrible unit. "i took a good position and sieged therefore i deserve to win fights and win the game!"


Are you even serious?
Administrator
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#2939
On May 10 2015 06:12 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:11 TheDwf wrote:
GuMiho decided to lose the game the moment he skipped stim


Haven't watched SC2 in a while and was happy to think mech was now maybe a little more viable in the matchup.

Still think he was in a very good spot, mech or not, and threw it.

Nah, TvP mech is still as extinct as ever, you were “lucky” enough to witness the 0.001%
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
May 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#2940
On May 10 2015 06:14 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 06:13 dazed25 wrote:
On May 10 2015 06:11 Yorkie wrote:
Not every comp should be viable in every matchup LOL. "Siege tanks were good vs toss in BW therefore they should be good in sc2" is a shit argument


i've seen some players make siege tanks work in bio composition vs toss. but it's really rare and mostly depends on exploiting maps and positioning.

siege tanks are for people who want RTS to be TBS anyway lol, its a horrible unit. "i took a good position and sieged therefore i deserve to win fights and win the game!"


I really hope you weren't around for the GomTvT era.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
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