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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 08 2015 22:28 GMT
#2821
On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:18 Musicus wrote:
Seems like no admin was involved when Hyun recovered the game, he also just chose the time himself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/35bs3g/dreamhack_fantasy_vs_hyun_game_1_resume/cr308wk

Fantasy should've said no but said yes. Still lost a lot of respect for Hyun, he commited all his roaches into the attack way before the lag started and then just recovered waaaaaaay before that.

I don't think DH is even aware of this.

Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed.

Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true.

need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking

I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert.

It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
May 08 2015 22:28 GMT
#2822
Bane hype
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 08 2015 22:29 GMT
#2823
On May 09 2015 07:24 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:23 brickrd wrote:
there's literally nothing left for zerg that actually straight up counters storm other than good positioning and like... ultras, i guess. storm is even decent against broods


So zerg actually have to split now? How fucking fascinating.

??? not sure where that salt came from... no QQ and didn't call anything imba, just makign observations about the way the game works now?

anyway point is pvz is about moment to moment zone control and if you just "split" away from storms with roach/hydra you're bleeding supply and losing ground while protoss is gaining in army efficiency. roach/hydra has to do something, it's an aggressive composition, so storms are basically extra forcefields that do damage unless zerg has enough of a supply advantage to tank through them

i'm not saying storm is OP but that it's extremely potent again now that SH are irrelevant and yet another extreme incentive for zerg to allin or bank everything on a hive tech guessing game, which i don't think results in the best race interaction
TL+ Member
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
May 08 2015 22:29 GMT
#2824
That voice impression , awkward moment...
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
May 08 2015 22:29 GMT
#2825
On May 09 2015 07:28 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:25 Liquid`Snute wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Zergs, Broodlord/Infestor just doesn't work, stop trying to bring it back :/

what else?


Ling muta.

Or something new.

Tbh it does seem a bit broken at the moment, but of course it will get fixed if the stats show that it is.


SH all the way
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
May 08 2015 22:30 GMT
#2826
Is ro8 bo3?
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
May 08 2015 22:30 GMT
#2827
On May 09 2015 07:28 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:25 Liquid`Snute wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Zergs, Broodlord/Infestor just doesn't work, stop trying to bring it back :/

what else?


Ling muta.

Or something new.

Tbh it does seem a bit broken at the moment, but of course it will get fixed if the stats show that it is.

"something new"?

also, ling/muta is easy to prepare for if you'd know that's all Zerg could do in macro
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 08 2015 22:31 GMT
#2828
On May 09 2015 07:30 GumBa wrote:
Is ro8 bo3?

I think we're gonna have a reunion with bo5 finals.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 08 2015 22:31 GMT
#2829
On May 09 2015 07:30 GumBa wrote:
Is ro8 bo3?

Bo5
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 08 2015 22:31 GMT
#2830
On May 09 2015 07:24 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:23 brickrd wrote:
there's literally nothing left for zerg that actually straight up counters storm other than good positioning and like... ultras, i guess. storm is even decent against broods


So zerg actually have to split now? How fucking fascinating.


Depending on the army, Zerg splitting doesnt do much. Splitting roach hydra viper for instance means you're wasting time not attacking meaning the collosus stalker ball just kills you.
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TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
May 08 2015 22:31 GMT
#2831
On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:18 Musicus wrote:
Seems like no admin was involved when Hyun recovered the game, he also just chose the time himself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/35bs3g/dreamhack_fantasy_vs_hyun_game_1_resume/cr308wk

Fantasy should've said no but said yes. Still lost a lot of respect for Hyun, he commited all his roaches into the attack way before the lag started and then just recovered waaaaaaay before that.

I don't think DH is even aware of this.

Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed.

Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true.

need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking

I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert.

It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen


Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 08 2015 22:31 GMT
#2832
On May 09 2015 07:30 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:28 Mozdk wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:25 Liquid`Snute wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Zergs, Broodlord/Infestor just doesn't work, stop trying to bring it back :/

what else?


Ling muta.

Or something new.

Tbh it does seem a bit broken at the moment, but of course it will get fixed if the stats show that it is.

"something new"?

also, ling/muta is easy to prepare for if you'd know that's all Zerg could do in macro

ling/muta is prepared for by doing literally the standard macro build every protoss is doing. one of the main reasons blink/sentry is so strong is because it has enough antiair to preempt early muta.
TL+ Member
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 08 2015 22:32 GMT
#2833
Muta base trade is basically a gamble like 3 hatcg/10 pool/gold pool
Moderator
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
May 08 2015 22:32 GMT
#2834
On May 09 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:24 Mozdk wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 brickrd wrote:
there's literally nothing left for zerg that actually straight up counters storm other than good positioning and like... ultras, i guess. storm is even decent against broods


So zerg actually have to split now? How fucking fascinating.


Depending on the army, Zerg splitting doesnt do much. Splitting roach hydra viper for instance means you're wasting time not attacking meaning the collosus stalker ball just kills you.


Well vs that army it doesn't. But moving out of storms makes sense. For all races.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
May 08 2015 22:32 GMT
#2835
On May 09 2015 07:32 stuchiu wrote:
Muta base trade is basically a gamble like 3 hatcg/10 pool/gold pool

how is 3 hatch gamble? I guess they could cannon rush?
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
May 08 2015 22:33 GMT
#2836
On May 09 2015 07:32 stuchiu wrote:
Muta base trade is basically a gamble like 3 hatcg/10 pool/gold pool


WHAT? Is 10 pool a gamble?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 08 2015 22:33 GMT
#2837
On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:18 Musicus wrote:
Seems like no admin was involved when Hyun recovered the game, he also just chose the time himself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/35bs3g/dreamhack_fantasy_vs_hyun_game_1_resume/cr308wk

Fantasy should've said no but said yes. Still lost a lot of respect for Hyun, he commited all his roaches into the attack way before the lag started and then just recovered waaaaaaay before that.

I don't think DH is even aware of this.

Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed.

Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true.

need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking

I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert.

It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen


Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied

lol

He rebooted the game and completely changed it with knowledge he gained from the way it played out first. That's not sportsman-like, whether Fantasy complains or not.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
May 08 2015 22:33 GMT
#2838
The thing is toss haven't scouted, have no tempest, so don't have his finished deathball, Zerg gets his ultimate T3, the longest you take to tech, and still get destroyed by just blink stalkers.

The broodlords are just so slow, and even with max/upgrades, so easy to just blink in them and crush them without taking huge lost....

I'm happy i can play LOTV, and no longer HOTS.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 08 2015 22:34 GMT
#2839
On May 09 2015 07:32 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:24 Mozdk wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 brickrd wrote:
there's literally nothing left for zerg that actually straight up counters storm other than good positioning and like... ultras, i guess. storm is even decent against broods


So zerg actually have to split now? How fucking fascinating.


Depending on the army, Zerg splitting doesnt do much. Splitting roach hydra viper for instance means you're wasting time not attacking meaning the collosus stalker ball just kills you.


Well vs that army it doesn't. But moving out of storms makes sense. For all races.

not really? see my post, you can't just continually move back against protoss with roach hydra, the longer protoss controls space the stronger they get. the only situation where you outsplit storms with a zerg army is if they have almost nothing buffering, but that's not the case in the zvp meta, it's normally stalker/sentry/immortal/storm, and stalker/sentry/immo is already really good even without storm
TL+ Member
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 08 2015 22:34 GMT
#2840
On May 09 2015 07:31 TheAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:28 TheDwf wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:26 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:25 brickrd wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:23 TheDwf wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:18 Musicus wrote:
Seems like no admin was involved when Hyun recovered the game, he also just chose the time himself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/35bs3g/dreamhack_fantasy_vs_hyun_game_1_resume/cr308wk

Fantasy should've said no but said yes. Still lost a lot of respect for Hyun, he commited all his roaches into the attack way before the lag started and then just recovered waaaaaaay before that.

I don't think DH is even aware of this.

Yeah, it confirms what I thought. FanTaSy got robbed.

Dreamhack should disqualify HyuN for this tbh. IF it's true.

need explication of rules and procedures and statement about what happened from DH before silly pitchforking

I said IF it's true. Because to be honest it's unacceptable for HyuN to exploit the situation by completely changing his unit movement counteracting mines he didn't know were there in the original fight. At any rate, needs investigation. Someone forward this to our expert.

It's worse than knowing that Mines are there (which were in his sight anyway), it's knowing that he loses the fight if he engages, so he rolls back the game before the engagement that he had chosen


Hyun won fair and straight. Fantasy didnt complaint. Is not like when JD lost to Flash. The game was very tied


Imo that's all besides the point, players should really be required to get an admin in situations like that.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
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