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Oh no it actually is a PvP finals again? Poor IEM lol.
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On March 15 2015 16:00 SackOfWetMice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 15:47 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 12:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:@sackofwetmice i don't hate you for one, i'm sorry bout the fire and im glad you're okay, and zest vs innovation was by no means a display of skill by anybody anywhere I will agree with you on that. i just like to joke around and your, i guess persistence, has made for a lot of fun. I won't agree with your sentiments or your methods but I was just trying to be playful  Understood, and that's fine . I don't mind your posts at all. The reason I do what I do is because of delusional people like the guy I'm going to quote below: On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. I have no idea how you took away from Zest's play in this tournament that he's "shattering that notion." Zest played horribly against Hydra. He played horribly against Innovation. And he played poorly against Bbyong, but got very lucky in a few spots. Meanwhile he's losing to TANGTANG to get sent to Code B, and losing to DeParture in GSL/SSL qualifiers, and losing to Creator x2 (and all of KT's ace matches to boot). I'm just completely mindblown at how you can look at Zest's play, especially in this tournament, and take away from that that he's somehow shattering the notion of what I say he is: a mediocre protoss. I feel the complete opposite way - his sloppiness and poor play was clear throughout the entire tournament, and is only strengthening what I've been saying about Zest. On March 15 2015 12:52 Grizvok wrote:On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. He's definitely not as godly as people make him out to be. Exactly. That's why I took up the cause of trying to spread awareness of how delusional Zest fans were. Up until now, it seemed like nobody but I could actually see that Zest wasn't anywhere near as good as the KT fanboys (Otherworld, Elentos) and Zest fanboys (DarkLordOlli) make him out to be. I like Zest kind of because I think he's a good looking dude. Am I wrong on that account? There's absolutely nothing wrong with liking Zest. There's nothing wrong with liking Zest because he's a good looking guy either. But any player who receives a level of hype (as I've repeatedly said in the past) that I don't think they've quite earned I will post about and point out the truth.
Hype is superficial and used as a propaganda / marketing gimmick in most cases, organic attention around a player or an issue or what ever is entirely anecdotal and depends entirely on how much research a viewer does prior to watching a series. You can't "earn" hype, either other people hype you up in alignment with their interests, or you market yourself which by definition is an inflation of your current or potential ability.
The truth is we have a finite statistical distribution of players with approximate skill levels competing in small sample size tournaments where anyone can win and anyone can lose due to any number of factors which the audience is not privy to and can't account for, there might be a few statistical outliers but most of that is just confirmation bias and random mathematical chance outside of the player's control (brackets, traveling, tournament scheduling, outside help, training experience etc). We might as well just put up the aligulac and not write any articles at all.
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On March 15 2015 16:24 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 15:47 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 12:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:@sackofwetmice i don't hate you for one, i'm sorry bout the fire and im glad you're okay, and zest vs innovation was by no means a display of skill by anybody anywhere I will agree with you on that. i just like to joke around and your, i guess persistence, has made for a lot of fun. I won't agree with your sentiments or your methods but I was just trying to be playful Understood, and that's fine . I don't mind your posts at all. The reason I do what I do is because of delusional people like the guy I'm going to quote below: On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. I have no idea how you took away from Zest's play in this tournament that he's "shattering that notion." Zest played horribly against Hydra. He played horribly against Innovation. And he played poorly against Bbyong, but got very lucky in a few spots. Meanwhile he's losing to TANGTANG to get sent to Code B, and losing to DeParture in GSL/SSL qualifiers, and losing to Creator x2 (and all of KT's ace matches to boot). I'm just completely mindblown at how you can look at Zest's play, especially in this tournament, and take away from that that he's somehow shattering the notion of what I say he is: a mediocre protoss. I feel the complete opposite way - his sloppiness and poor play was clear throughout the entire tournament, and is only strengthening what I've been saying about Zest. On March 15 2015 12:52 Grizvok wrote:On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. He's definitely not as godly as people make him out to be. Exactly. That's why I took up the cause of trying to spread awareness of how delusional Zest fans were. Up until now, it seemed like nobody but I could actually see that Zest wasn't anywhere near as good as the KT fanboys (Otherworld, Elentos) and Zest fanboys (DarkLordOlli) make him out to be. I like Zest kind of because I think he's a good looking dude. Am I wrong on that account? Nothing wrong with that.
I don't like him because he's an arrogant guy. If you read/watch his interviews in Korean, he sounds more arrogant than Parting and that's something. He's gotten better, but his attitude always bugged me a little. sOs is good all around (when he's not slumping) and he's humble and (apparently) very positive. Now that's a lovable personality.
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On March 15 2015 17:19 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 16:24 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 15 2015 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 15:47 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 12:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:@sackofwetmice i don't hate you for one, i'm sorry bout the fire and im glad you're okay, and zest vs innovation was by no means a display of skill by anybody anywhere I will agree with you on that. i just like to joke around and your, i guess persistence, has made for a lot of fun. I won't agree with your sentiments or your methods but I was just trying to be playful Understood, and that's fine . I don't mind your posts at all. The reason I do what I do is because of delusional people like the guy I'm going to quote below: On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. I have no idea how you took away from Zest's play in this tournament that he's "shattering that notion." Zest played horribly against Hydra. He played horribly against Innovation. And he played poorly against Bbyong, but got very lucky in a few spots. Meanwhile he's losing to TANGTANG to get sent to Code B, and losing to DeParture in GSL/SSL qualifiers, and losing to Creator x2 (and all of KT's ace matches to boot). I'm just completely mindblown at how you can look at Zest's play, especially in this tournament, and take away from that that he's somehow shattering the notion of what I say he is: a mediocre protoss. I feel the complete opposite way - his sloppiness and poor play was clear throughout the entire tournament, and is only strengthening what I've been saying about Zest. On March 15 2015 12:52 Grizvok wrote:On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. He's definitely not as godly as people make him out to be. Exactly. That's why I took up the cause of trying to spread awareness of how delusional Zest fans were. Up until now, it seemed like nobody but I could actually see that Zest wasn't anywhere near as good as the KT fanboys (Otherworld, Elentos) and Zest fanboys (DarkLordOlli) make him out to be. I like Zest kind of because I think he's a good looking dude. Am I wrong on that account? Nothing wrong with that. I don't like him because he's an arrogant guy. If you read/watch his interviews in Korean, he sounds more arrogant than Parting and that's something. He's gotten better, but his attitude always bugged me a little. sOs is good all around (when he's not slumping) and he's humble and (apparently) very positive. Now that's a lovable personality.
Arrogant? >.>
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/468153-interview-zest-after-winning-kespa-cup
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/fan-clubs/447982-zest-fan-club?page=9#178
Although I do agree that sOs is fucking lovable too d:
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On March 15 2015 15:16 SackOfWetMice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 06:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Ok guys, apparently we have to do this every single time protoss does well.
STOP WHINING OR THERE WILL BE WARNINGS. Lol, just got to this part of the series and this post. Of course DarkLordOlli comes out and says this now, nobody is allowed to criticize his dear Zest! Warnings will be given!
You're getting quite predictable these days 
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On March 15 2015 17:19 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 16:24 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 15 2015 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 15:47 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 12:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:@sackofwetmice i don't hate you for one, i'm sorry bout the fire and im glad you're okay, and zest vs innovation was by no means a display of skill by anybody anywhere I will agree with you on that. i just like to joke around and your, i guess persistence, has made for a lot of fun. I won't agree with your sentiments or your methods but I was just trying to be playful Understood, and that's fine . I don't mind your posts at all. The reason I do what I do is because of delusional people like the guy I'm going to quote below: On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. I have no idea how you took away from Zest's play in this tournament that he's "shattering that notion." Zest played horribly against Hydra. He played horribly against Innovation. And he played poorly against Bbyong, but got very lucky in a few spots. Meanwhile he's losing to TANGTANG to get sent to Code B, and losing to DeParture in GSL/SSL qualifiers, and losing to Creator x2 (and all of KT's ace matches to boot). I'm just completely mindblown at how you can look at Zest's play, especially in this tournament, and take away from that that he's somehow shattering the notion of what I say he is: a mediocre protoss. I feel the complete opposite way - his sloppiness and poor play was clear throughout the entire tournament, and is only strengthening what I've been saying about Zest. On March 15 2015 12:52 Grizvok wrote:On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. He's definitely not as godly as people make him out to be. Exactly. That's why I took up the cause of trying to spread awareness of how delusional Zest fans were. Up until now, it seemed like nobody but I could actually see that Zest wasn't anywhere near as good as the KT fanboys (Otherworld, Elentos) and Zest fanboys (DarkLordOlli) make him out to be. I like Zest kind of because I think he's a good looking dude. Am I wrong on that account? Nothing wrong with that. I don't like him because he's an arrogant guy. If you read/watch his interviews in Korean, he sounds more arrogant than Parting and that's something. He's gotten better, but his attitude always bugged me a little. sOs is good all around (when he's not slumping) and he's humble and (apparently) very positive. Now that's a lovable personality.
He could be Kim Jong Un's nephew for all i care. As long as he looks that good I don't give a f.
If I'm the moon then Zest is my Sun!
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On March 15 2015 17:41 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 17:19 swissman777 wrote:On March 15 2015 16:24 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 15 2015 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 15:47 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 12:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:@sackofwetmice i don't hate you for one, i'm sorry bout the fire and im glad you're okay, and zest vs innovation was by no means a display of skill by anybody anywhere I will agree with you on that. i just like to joke around and your, i guess persistence, has made for a lot of fun. I won't agree with your sentiments or your methods but I was just trying to be playful Understood, and that's fine . I don't mind your posts at all. The reason I do what I do is because of delusional people like the guy I'm going to quote below: On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. I have no idea how you took away from Zest's play in this tournament that he's "shattering that notion." Zest played horribly against Hydra. He played horribly against Innovation. And he played poorly against Bbyong, but got very lucky in a few spots. Meanwhile he's losing to TANGTANG to get sent to Code B, and losing to DeParture in GSL/SSL qualifiers, and losing to Creator x2 (and all of KT's ace matches to boot). I'm just completely mindblown at how you can look at Zest's play, especially in this tournament, and take away from that that he's somehow shattering the notion of what I say he is: a mediocre protoss. I feel the complete opposite way - his sloppiness and poor play was clear throughout the entire tournament, and is only strengthening what I've been saying about Zest. On March 15 2015 12:52 Grizvok wrote:On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. He's definitely not as godly as people make him out to be. Exactly. That's why I took up the cause of trying to spread awareness of how delusional Zest fans were. Up until now, it seemed like nobody but I could actually see that Zest wasn't anywhere near as good as the KT fanboys (Otherworld, Elentos) and Zest fanboys (DarkLordOlli) make him out to be. I like Zest kind of because I think he's a good looking dude. Am I wrong on that account? Nothing wrong with that. I don't like him because he's an arrogant guy. If you read/watch his interviews in Korean, he sounds more arrogant than Parting and that's something. He's gotten better, but his attitude always bugged me a little. sOs is good all around (when he's not slumping) and he's humble and (apparently) very positive. Now that's a lovable personality. He could be Kim Jong Un's nephew for all i care. As long as he looks that good I don't give a f. If I'm the moon then Zest is my Sun!
Can you kindly stop with all the "omg Zest so hawt" gushing? Every second post I see out of you is about Zest's appearance. We get it, you're in love with him. Your passion would be better served by writing in a diary.
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On March 15 2015 17:41 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 17:19 swissman777 wrote:On March 15 2015 16:24 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 15 2015 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 15:47 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 12:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:@sackofwetmice i don't hate you for one, i'm sorry bout the fire and im glad you're okay, and zest vs innovation was by no means a display of skill by anybody anywhere I will agree with you on that. i just like to joke around and your, i guess persistence, has made for a lot of fun. I won't agree with your sentiments or your methods but I was just trying to be playful Understood, and that's fine . I don't mind your posts at all. The reason I do what I do is because of delusional people like the guy I'm going to quote below: On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. I have no idea how you took away from Zest's play in this tournament that he's "shattering that notion." Zest played horribly against Hydra. He played horribly against Innovation. And he played poorly against Bbyong, but got very lucky in a few spots. Meanwhile he's losing to TANGTANG to get sent to Code B, and losing to DeParture in GSL/SSL qualifiers, and losing to Creator x2 (and all of KT's ace matches to boot). I'm just completely mindblown at how you can look at Zest's play, especially in this tournament, and take away from that that he's somehow shattering the notion of what I say he is: a mediocre protoss. I feel the complete opposite way - his sloppiness and poor play was clear throughout the entire tournament, and is only strengthening what I've been saying about Zest. On March 15 2015 12:52 Grizvok wrote:On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. He's definitely not as godly as people make him out to be. Exactly. That's why I took up the cause of trying to spread awareness of how delusional Zest fans were. Up until now, it seemed like nobody but I could actually see that Zest wasn't anywhere near as good as the KT fanboys (Otherworld, Elentos) and Zest fanboys (DarkLordOlli) make him out to be. I like Zest kind of because I think he's a good looking dude. Am I wrong on that account? Nothing wrong with that. I don't like him because he's an arrogant guy. If you read/watch his interviews in Korean, he sounds more arrogant than Parting and that's something. He's gotten better, but his attitude always bugged me a little. sOs is good all around (when he's not slumping) and he's humble and (apparently) very positive. Now that's a lovable personality. He could be Kim Jong Un's nephew for all i care. As long as he looks that good I don't give a f. If I'm the moon then Zest is my Sun!
If you're the Moon then come back to progaming please T_T
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On March 15 2015 16:00 SackOfWetMice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 15:47 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 12:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:@sackofwetmice i don't hate you for one, i'm sorry bout the fire and im glad you're okay, and zest vs innovation was by no means a display of skill by anybody anywhere I will agree with you on that. i just like to joke around and your, i guess persistence, has made for a lot of fun. I won't agree with your sentiments or your methods but I was just trying to be playful Understood, and that's fine . I don't mind your posts at all. The reason I do what I do is because of delusional people like the guy I'm going to quote below: On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. I have no idea how you took away from Zest's play in this tournament that he's "shattering that notion." Zest played horribly against Hydra. He played horribly against Innovation. And he played poorly against Bbyong, but got very lucky in a few spots. Meanwhile he's losing to TANGTANG to get sent to Code B, and losing to DeParture in GSL/SSL qualifiers, and losing to Creator x2 (and all of KT's ace matches to boot). I'm just completely mindblown at how you can look at Zest's play, especially in this tournament, and take away from that that he's somehow shattering the notion of what I say he is: a mediocre protoss. I feel the complete opposite way - his sloppiness and poor play was clear throughout the entire tournament, and is only strengthening what I've been saying about Zest. On March 15 2015 12:52 Grizvok wrote:On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. He's definitely not as godly as people make him out to be. Exactly. That's why I took up the cause of trying to spread awareness of how delusional Zest fans were. Up until now, it seemed like nobody but I could actually see that Zest wasn't anywhere near as good as the KT fanboys (Otherworld, Elentos) and Zest fanboys (DarkLordOlli) make him out to be. I like Zest kind of because I think he's a good looking dude. Am I wrong on that account? There's absolutely nothing wrong with liking Zest. There's nothing wrong with liking Zest because he's a good looking guy either. As I've said many, many, many times in the past, and am getting tired of saying, I simply do what I do because I feel that Zest is the player that is the most overhyped for his accomplishments, and whose fans are the most delusional about how good he actually is. Flash would be the second on that list (which is why some people think I ''hate'' KT), but I understand that hype because of Flash's success in Brood War, so I don't post about that that much. But any player who receives a level of hype (as I've repeatedly said in the past) that I don't think they've quite earned I will post about and point out the truth. It just so happens to be Zest from 2014-now. And from reading this thread, it seems that more and more people are starting to see what I saw a long time ago. So perhaps a new player becomes the one I see as the most overhyped and over-celebrated in relation to their true success, but until that is no longer Zest, he will continue to be the target of my raising awareness campaign. Think of what I do as public service. 
So your sig has nothing to do with hating KT but being altruistic by exposing the overhyped players Flash and Zest. Got it.
You have some serious selective bias when it comes to evaluating Zest's play. He just beat Inno who is supposed to have one of the best TvPs. Your point is basically moot considering he is making it to the finals of stacked tournaments a year after being a "patch toss". He is/was in a slump but he won't be fading out like many other one hit wonders. He's too good and one of the most clutch players in SC2.
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On March 15 2015 17:53 dazed25 wrote:
You have some serious selective bias when it comes to evaluating Zest's play. He just beat Inno who is supposed to have one of the best TvPs. Your point is basically moot considering he is making it to the finals of stacked tournaments a year after being a "patch toss"
Because every victory is created equal and "bracket luck" is a thing that doesn't exist.
I'm not calling Zest a patch toss, just calling your argument less than sound.
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On March 15 2015 17:56 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 17:53 dazed25 wrote:
You have some serious selective bias when it comes to evaluating Zest's play. He just beat Inno who is supposed to have one of the best TvPs. Your point is basically moot considering he is making it to the finals of stacked tournaments a year after being a "patch toss" Because every victory is created equal and "bracket luck" is a thing that doesn't exist. I'm not calling Zest a patch toss, just calling your argument less than sound.
Soooo for a player whose PvT is noticeable for being below his other MU, to the point of losing to motherfucking TANGTANG, getting to play two very good/exceptional Terrans (including the Machine himself) on his way to the finals, is bracket luck? A player who has to play every single matchup on his way to the finals is benefiting from bracket luck?
Yeah...
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On March 15 2015 18:08 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 17:56 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 15 2015 17:53 dazed25 wrote:
You have some serious selective bias when it comes to evaluating Zest's play. He just beat Inno who is supposed to have one of the best TvPs. Your point is basically moot considering he is making it to the finals of stacked tournaments a year after being a "patch toss" Because every victory is created equal and "bracket luck" is a thing that doesn't exist. I'm not calling Zest a patch toss, just calling your argument less than sound. Soooo for a player whose PvT is noticeable for being below his other MU, to the point of losing to motherfucking TANGTANG, getting to play two very good/exceptional Terrans (including the Machine himself) on his way to the finals, is bracket luck? A player who has to play every single matchup on his way to the finals is benefiting from bracket luck? Yeah...
You don't have to hype up INnoVation's accomplishments to me, he's my favorite player and I know them quite well. INnoVation played like shit today. That is the only reason Zest won. All of his victories looked like flukes.
I actually cannot remember a less deserving premier tournament finalist than Zest at this IEM.
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On March 15 2015 17:56 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 17:53 dazed25 wrote:
You have some serious selective bias when it comes to evaluating Zest's play. He just beat Inno who is supposed to have one of the best TvPs. Your point is basically moot considering he is making it to the finals of stacked tournaments a year after being a "patch toss" Because every victory is created equal and "bracket luck" is a thing that doesn't exist. I'm not calling Zest a patch toss, just calling your argument less than sound.
Oh I know it is. At this point it's like being dragged down into the mud with Sackofwetmice. In any case a victory is a victory. If Zest wins this tournament it's because of himself. We can argue about whether he had easy brackets but the fact of the matter is the people he faced were the best players in the tournament on that specific day. Sack of wet mice chooses to be selective in the games he picks to evaluate Zest's play. Zest is obviously in a slump (TANGTANG pls) but he is still absolutely capable of playing at an extremely high level.
The best players find a way to win even when they are not playing at their absolute best. This is what separates multiple time champions like Mvp, Life, MC, and Zest (and no I am not putting Zest on that pedestal yet) from guys like soO, Rain, Innovation, and Flash. That actually hurt me to say because I like all those players.
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Wrong player/race winning once again? Delicious.
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On March 15 2015 17:30 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 17:19 swissman777 wrote:On March 15 2015 16:24 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 15 2015 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 15:47 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 12:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:@sackofwetmice i don't hate you for one, i'm sorry bout the fire and im glad you're okay, and zest vs innovation was by no means a display of skill by anybody anywhere I will agree with you on that. i just like to joke around and your, i guess persistence, has made for a lot of fun. I won't agree with your sentiments or your methods but I was just trying to be playful Understood, and that's fine . I don't mind your posts at all. The reason I do what I do is because of delusional people like the guy I'm going to quote below: On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. I have no idea how you took away from Zest's play in this tournament that he's "shattering that notion." Zest played horribly against Hydra. He played horribly against Innovation. And he played poorly against Bbyong, but got very lucky in a few spots. Meanwhile he's losing to TANGTANG to get sent to Code B, and losing to DeParture in GSL/SSL qualifiers, and losing to Creator x2 (and all of KT's ace matches to boot). I'm just completely mindblown at how you can look at Zest's play, especially in this tournament, and take away from that that he's somehow shattering the notion of what I say he is: a mediocre protoss. I feel the complete opposite way - his sloppiness and poor play was clear throughout the entire tournament, and is only strengthening what I've been saying about Zest. On March 15 2015 12:52 Grizvok wrote:On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. He's definitely not as godly as people make him out to be. Exactly. That's why I took up the cause of trying to spread awareness of how delusional Zest fans were. Up until now, it seemed like nobody but I could actually see that Zest wasn't anywhere near as good as the KT fanboys (Otherworld, Elentos) and Zest fanboys (DarkLordOlli) make him out to be. I like Zest kind of because I think he's a good looking dude. Am I wrong on that account? Nothing wrong with that. I don't like him because he's an arrogant guy. If you read/watch his interviews in Korean, he sounds more arrogant than Parting and that's something. He's gotten better, but his attitude always bugged me a little. sOs is good all around (when he's not slumping) and he's humble and (apparently) very positive. Now that's a lovable personality. Arrogant? >.> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/468153-interview-zest-after-winning-kespa-cuphttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/fan-clubs/447982-zest-fan-club?page=9#178Although I do agree that sOs is fucking lovable too d:
I haven't seen these interviews live but I bet some are lost in translation. Zest has always been a "confident" guy even before his rise fame. However, sometimes his answers in gsl interviews made me cringe and he didn't seem to have respect for other players.
For example, in his interview before his match against True, Zest seemed as though he had already won the game and made sure True knew that. I don't know if they're close enough to make mean jokes, but playing around with one's profession is definitely not cool.
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On March 15 2015 18:15 dazed25 wrote:Oh I know it is. At this point it's like being dragged down into the mud with Sackofwetmice.
Haha. 
The fact of the matter is the best players find a way to win even when they are not playing at their absolute best. This is what separates multiple time champions like Mvp, Life, MC, and Zest (and no I am not putting Zest on that pedestal yet) from guys like soO, Rain, Innovation, and Flash. That actually hurt me to say because I like all those players.
INnoVation is a multiple time champion. He won Code S and WCS Korea.
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On March 15 2015 18:18 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 17:30 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 17:19 swissman777 wrote:On March 15 2015 16:24 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 15 2015 15:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 15:47 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 12:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:@sackofwetmice i don't hate you for one, i'm sorry bout the fire and im glad you're okay, and zest vs innovation was by no means a display of skill by anybody anywhere I will agree with you on that. i just like to joke around and your, i guess persistence, has made for a lot of fun. I won't agree with your sentiments or your methods but I was just trying to be playful Understood, and that's fine . I don't mind your posts at all. The reason I do what I do is because of delusional people like the guy I'm going to quote below: On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing He'll be back when Bbyong crushes Zest On March 15 2015 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. I have no idea how you took away from Zest's play in this tournament that he's "shattering that notion." Zest played horribly against Hydra. He played horribly against Innovation. And he played poorly against Bbyong, but got very lucky in a few spots. Meanwhile he's losing to TANGTANG to get sent to Code B, and losing to DeParture in GSL/SSL qualifiers, and losing to Creator x2 (and all of KT's ace matches to boot). I'm just completely mindblown at how you can look at Zest's play, especially in this tournament, and take away from that that he's somehow shattering the notion of what I say he is: a mediocre protoss. I feel the complete opposite way - his sloppiness and poor play was clear throughout the entire tournament, and is only strengthening what I've been saying about Zest. On March 15 2015 12:52 Grizvok wrote:On March 15 2015 12:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 12:03 SackOfWetMice wrote:On March 15 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Also sackofwetmice still inconspicuously missing On March 15 2015 03:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
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Don't worry, he won't take risks and he'll wait until Zest v Bbyong is done. Talk about hate boners, you really seem to have one for me. I'm flattered that you think about me this much. There was a small fire in my apartment complex in the middle of the night last night, firefighters came in, etc, we were all outside for a few hours. Slept through the day, just woke up and am watching the VODs. It is funny how you're making all these baseless claims about me, when I'm not posting in a thread, that it's because I'm X, Y, or Z, when in fact, I'm simply sleeping. Maybe take a deep breath and some blood pressure medication. Just finished the Inno vs. Zest series. About to watch the semis. If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by Zest's play during that series, then we must have been watching different things. Watching such sloppy play by Zest (against both Hydra and Innovation) basically strengthened my opinion about what kind of a player he is. I'm not going to go into a long analysis of what I think, as it's pretty much already been said in this series, but out of the 4 semifinalists, 3 of them advanced by outplaying their opponents - Trap, Dark, and Bbyong - while Zest played pretty terribly but happened to run into opponents - Hydra and Inno - who played even worse. I'm hoping for a Bbyong vs. Dark finals, but this tournament has been very unpredictable. I'll be happy as long as the games are good; I don't want to see more silver-league play like Zest v Hydra or Zest v Inno. Anyway, since you were so concerned with where I was, I'm about to watch the semis now. I don't really hate you. I just strongly disagree with you and find the extent to which you go to rip on Zest and KT (which I'm not really even a fan of) amusing and I'm simply breaking balls. Everyone (including me) ripped on Olli when TANGTANG knocked Zest out of a code A spot. Now the shoe is on the other foot where Zest seems to be in Prime position to win IEM. You've been absolutely relentless in trying to expose Zest as an overhyped patchtoss. Now he's shattering that notion. Gotta take your licks. He's definitely not as godly as people make him out to be. Exactly. That's why I took up the cause of trying to spread awareness of how delusional Zest fans were. Up until now, it seemed like nobody but I could actually see that Zest wasn't anywhere near as good as the KT fanboys (Otherworld, Elentos) and Zest fanboys (DarkLordOlli) make him out to be. I like Zest kind of because I think he's a good looking dude. Am I wrong on that account? Nothing wrong with that. I don't like him because he's an arrogant guy. If you read/watch his interviews in Korean, he sounds more arrogant than Parting and that's something. He's gotten better, but his attitude always bugged me a little. sOs is good all around (when he's not slumping) and he's humble and (apparently) very positive. Now that's a lovable personality. Arrogant? >.> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/468153-interview-zest-after-winning-kespa-cuphttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/fan-clubs/447982-zest-fan-club?page=9#178Although I do agree that sOs is fucking lovable too d: I haven't seen these interviews live but I bet some are lost in translation. Zest has always been a "confident" guy even before his rise fame. However, sometimes his answers in gsl interviews made me cringe and he didn't seem to have respect for other players. For example, in his interview before his match against True, Zest seemed as though he had already won the game and made sure True knew that. I don't know if they're close enough to make mean jokes, but playing around with one's profession is definitely not cool.
Ah yes I can't speak about GSL interviews, I never listen to them. So I can't argue about that.
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On March 15 2015 18:19 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 18:15 dazed25 wrote:Oh I know it is. At this point it's like being dragged down into the mud with Sackofwetmice. Haha. Show nested quote +The fact of the matter is the best players find a way to win even when they are not playing at their absolute best. This is what separates multiple time champions like Mvp, Life, MC, and Zest (and no I am not putting Zest on that pedestal yet) from guys like soO, Rain, Innovation, and Flash. That actually hurt me to say because I like all those players. INnoVation is a multiple time champion. He won Code S and WCS Korea.
Well yeah but he's also capable of tilting very hard anytime something goes wrong. Him and those other players i mentioned have all shown that they are capable of being the best players in the world and having the best play but they can't close out like the others.
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On March 15 2015 18:15 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 18:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 15 2015 17:56 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 15 2015 17:53 dazed25 wrote:
You have some serious selective bias when it comes to evaluating Zest's play. He just beat Inno who is supposed to have one of the best TvPs. Your point is basically moot considering he is making it to the finals of stacked tournaments a year after being a "patch toss" Because every victory is created equal and "bracket luck" is a thing that doesn't exist. I'm not calling Zest a patch toss, just calling your argument less than sound. Soooo for a player whose PvT is noticeable for being below his other MU, to the point of losing to motherfucking TANGTANG, getting to play two very good/exceptional Terrans (including the Machine himself) on his way to the finals, is bracket luck? A player who has to play every single matchup on his way to the finals is benefiting from bracket luck? Yeah... You don't have to hype up INnoVation's accomplishments to me, he's my favorite player and I know them quite well. INnoVation played like shit today. That is the only reason Zest won. All of his victories looked like flukes. I actually cannot remember a less deserving premier tournament finalist than Zest at this IEM.
Then you are just blindly hating on him. Yes INnoVation didn't play well, but every single StarCraft game involves one player playing worse than his opponent. Yes Zest's play yesterday wasn't bonjwa-level for sure, but it was enough to beat his opponents, and that's what I call "deserving". And if you think that each of his victories were flukes, maybe you should think again, because winning three Bo5, including two in your weakest MU, purely thanks to flukes is literally impossible.
Or in other words, what would you be saying if INno would have beaten Zest in that G5, thus winning while playing poorly, and then would have beaten Bbyong in the Ro4 by playing poorly once again? Would you be saying "INnoVation so bad, he's not deserving of this finals at all"? No, you would be saying "INnoVation so good he makes the finals even while playing like shit lol". Why don't you say the same for Zest?
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ugh Zest got into the finals?
how hard did INnoVation choke?
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